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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Sangennaru on 04 March 2014, 12:05:43 AM
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Hi everyone! two days ago i started an interesting new project, and now it's time to show some WIPs. Basically, i am now trying a different approach in medieval building, using a more "chaotic" way than the standard building approaches.
The basement will be in rocks. carved from a plaster shape.
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-16.jpg)
Then, the wooden structures will be added, either in the outsides and the insides.
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-20.jpg)
That's what i've done so far. tomorrow i'll complete the other half of the building, and then i'll have the detailing part, which is quite long... Will keep this thread updated, and i will eventually publish a detailed step-to-step tutorial on my website!
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-23.jpg)
cheers,
Jack
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Looking good so far! You have a nice organic feel to the model. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Oh this is going to be good again. I love how natural these buildings look.
Is this 20mm scale? 15mm?
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Impressive job so far just sculpting the base!
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That's a fun way to build Jack. I'm eager to see how it grows.
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Thanks people! the building is a 28-32mm one, and it's a veeeery small one. guess what it is?
I'll proceed with the secodn part right now! :)
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Thanks people! the building is a 28-32mm one, and it's a veeeery small one. guess what it is?
I'll proceed with the secodn part right now! :)
An outhouse?
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An outhouse?
With a clever design. Like semi-outdoor laboratories where potentially explosive reactions are performed: a solid stone structure at the bottom with the upper part made of timber, so the blast is directed up and away.
Not just an outhouse. A safety outhouse lol
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I say it's not a building at all, but rather an addition to a building. The wooden beams poking out from the underneath suggest one of those window wotsits that lean out over the street from an upper storey on a medieval building.
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Your skills are impeccable as usual
what are those wooden beams that are jutting out at the base of the masonry?
where did You get that idea from?
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Heh, actually you are right, those wooden beams are not really realistic. they were meant to sustain a... fire, for the... backstage where customers are not allowed.
Ok, too many clues. :S
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look, Your style is very attractive and skilled, so I long ago dumped realism ;)
never mind, as long as there is a logical reason for them, it should be fine.
If they are not replaced regularly, they will rot away, because that is actually the reason for masonry at the base of wooden framed buildings, to prevent the wooden beams from rotting away... ;)
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Heh, actually you are right, those wooden beams are not really realistic. they were meant to sustain a... fire, for the... backstage where customers are not allowed.
Ok, too many clues. :S
Confused and intrigued... I is it booth for a sage? ???
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is this actually a riddle?
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is this actually a riddle?
Humm... i don't think so :D
I think i should upload more pictures...
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Here it is, some progress!
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-30.jpg)
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Mrs Miggins' Pie Shop?
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A massage parlour? lol
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Alchemist's lab
where does the tower structure go?
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Mrs Miggins' Pie Shop?
you're the closest so far! ;)
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Whatever it is going to be (my guess is an eel smokery and bistro), it is going to look very good.
Can't wait for the tutorial...
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a strip club and the wooden indoor structure is the stage
Hasslefree has very nice miniatures for that
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a strip club and the wooden indoor structure is the stage
Hasslefree has very nice miniatures for that
actually, i'm NOT really sure what it will be, so i'm taking your suggestions wisely! ;)
Whatever it is going to be (my guess is an eel smokery and bistro), it is going to look very good.
Can't wait for the tutorial...
Will post it soon! But first i want to have the model completed! However, i'm a little doubious about the brickwork beneath the wooden beams: do you think it's ok there, or maybe something different could be better?
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-31.jpg)
of course, forget about the colors, it's all about the shapes since it will be cast in resin! =)
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A great little project and very well done. Very inventive.
Tony
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They seem a bit on the regular side if anything. From what I recall such brickwork within timber framing generally came in 2 varieties: either quite haphazard (and often hidden under daub in that case, at least until the daub eroded off) or orderly and decorative, like a herringbone pattern. The latter case was more upper rent than your building seems to be though.
Either way, the brickwork looks good, regardless of my amateur attempt at pedantry... ;D
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wattle and daub as well as dry brickwork is possible (which are made in a regular fashion), however both would be plastered over.
So like this, it would be old with damaged plaster or in construction....
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i will try to experiment some plastering over... i can't assure anything though =)
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The brickwork inside the timber framing seems fine to me. There are bits and pieces on buildings in York that look just like it - small bricks, neat but not fancy/decorative. Top show!
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of course the question is the time the building represents. In more modern times, fired brickwork is used for repair or exchange, and is most often on sight, as @Mitch suggests
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Love it!
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of course the question is the time the building represents. In more modern times, fired brickwork is used for repair or exchange, and is most often on sight, as @Mitch suggests
Precisely. The ones I'm describing are +/-1650 - few much earlier, later ones are distinctly different.
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my style was meant to be a generic ECW-pirate-fantasy setting so i guess the look matches the historical period. for the wooden beam it was quite an inspiration for a composition need, the brickwork is actually about technique: i still dont have a VALID method for plastered walls i've done some in the past, but i was looking at something more accurate. if i will manage to complete and sell this building, i'll certainly think at something! ;)
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one side of the building is nearly finished in the outside. the insides will still need some work, but it's something. I'll add some plastering in a few hours, once the filler will be dry.
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-33.jpg)
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In terms of the validity of how the brickwork looks, I'd say it's perfect. Spot on. Small, slightly uneven bricks laid English bond. Have you considered a career in construction? lol
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Ok, i tried with plastering. I made some mess, even though i'm pretty satisfied with the final look i am not sure it's the right way to proceed.
Impressions?
edit:
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-35.jpg)
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pictures?
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OPS! here they are (above!)
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spot on!
the scale of the detail is really.....
amazingly accurate
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spot on!
the scale of the detail is really.....
amazingly accurate
I still have to put the nails, the metal strips and some chains somewhere. Plus ropes and other cute things.
I'll probably wait some days before the next update, i want to finish the second wall too, but i'm taken by my girlfriend in the next days. In one scenario i'll be completely overwhelmed by girly stuff, in the other one she will help me sculpting. Who knows. XD
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I still have to put the nails, the metal strips and some chains somewhere. Plus ropes and other cute things.
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but i'm taken by my girlfriend in the next days, i'll be completely overwhelmed by girly stuff
:D ;D
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wow, now i'm blushing! :)
anyway, i said i wasn't going to update the thread soon. I was lying.
I managed to start working in the interiors. I'm shaping each plank to fit the other lines and the rock edges, so it's taking a while. still, less than what you might think.
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-37.jpg)
and that's the second part, proceeding as well.
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-38.jpg)
cheers,
Jack
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The interior looks even better! Very nice work.
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Excellent work - really very good.
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Outstanding work. Are you using regular plaster and your casting into the void method? This is looking real pretty.
Snitchy sends.
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I still have to put the nails, the metal strips and some chains somewhere. Plus ropes and other cute things.
Umm... what kind of parlour this will be? lol
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Umm... what kind of parlour this will be? lol
I'd say a messy one! lol
Outstanding work. Are you using regular plaster and your casting into the void method? This is looking real pretty.
Snitchy sends.
What do you mean casting into the void? Reminds me of some old style sci fi settings, but i'm not sure that's what you meant lol
I used to use very good ceramic plasters (diplast, raysin100), that are "cat-proof" and hold details extremely well. however, for sculpting bricks i prefere a much softer one, basically a plaster of paris. I tend to use much more water than usual, in order to have a very light (when the water dries) and soft material. That's OK for sculpting, definitely NOT for gaming, since i'ts soft as a biscuit. However, for sculpting and carving is a pleasure! =)
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What do you mean casting into the void?
I am guessing that you frame out a section, and then pour into it. Casting into the void or hole that you created.
Snitchy sends.
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I am guessing that you frame out a section, and then pour into it. Casting into the void or hole that you created.
Snitchy sends.
yep, that's basically what i did =)
here's the finished walls. I'll probably publish a first part of the tutorial up to this, since i've already 40 pictures for this stages! For the floor, the details and the roof i'll probably need another tut! =)
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-40.jpg)
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-39.jpg)
and a view of the outsides together:
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-41.jpg)
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Just to say - how much I have enjoyed this particular build. I have every intention of copying the process for a ruined building I have in mind.
Thank you for the step-by-step images and comments.
Tony
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if You cast this marvelous build in several pieces (which You will have to if You want to save the interior), I might suggest a functional and a damaged roof if molding costs allow
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Just to say - how much I have enjoyed this particular build. I have every intention of copying the process for a ruined building I have in mind.
thanks tony! Any reference to TheLazyForger is really appreciated! ;)
if You cast this marvelous build in several pieces (which You will have to if You want to save the interior), I might suggest a functional and a damaged roof if molding costs allow
Actually, all depends from the buyer. At the moment i've no buyer for the building (it's for sale)... i would cast the whole base and walls in a single piece, and the roof in a bivalve mold. Actually, i won't cast it, the lucky buyer will! ;)
in the weekend i'm outside the city, i'll manage to write the first part of the article then! =)
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well then retitle the thread (Sale reproduction rights)
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well then retitle the thread (Sale reproduction rights)
I think i will wait to have the piece almost completed. Besides, i've three companies following the project, and maybe they will like it!
meanwhile, i'll just update you fellow LAFers with my slow progresses ^^
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Ladies and Gents, i'm proud to announce the first part of the tutorial-trilogy of the Burnin' Rib!
Read the article on my website! (http://www.thelazyforger.com/tutorials/burninrib1/)
(http://www.thelazyforger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/second-attempt-7.jpg)
or use the link here: http://www.thelazyforger.com/tutorials/burninrib1/
I'm used to add some more pictures together with a link, but i've already posted a lot in the thread...
Aaaaand, goodnight, folks! :)
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...and the second part is now published as well!
http://www.thelazyforger.com/tutorials/burninrib2/
For the third (and last, i think) part you'll have to wait a little more though, since my sculpting process needs some time! ^^
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Cheers everyone! After nearly 3 years i reuploaded the tutorials in the website - the old one went down and deleted by distracted admins.
http://thelazyforger.com/tutorials/the-burnin-rib-part-one/
http://thelazyforger.com/tutorials/the-burnin-rib-part-two/
Hope there's still interest, and apologies for the threadomancy! ^_^
Cheers
Jack