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Title: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 15 March 2014, 06:34:30 AM
Russian antiaircraft mobile machineguns.

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1305/e2/64d04ad09d0b.jpg)

(http://i080.radikal.ru/1305/2e/839527a4db54.jpg)

And their German equivalents:

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i644/1306/ec/2a46610c8cd6.jpg)

(http://i076.radikal.ru/1306/4f/1eaae1338782.jpg)

(http://www.waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/nzkt.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: mysteriousbill on 15 March 2014, 03:00:44 PM
A general reminder that WWII wasn't nearly as mechanized as some people think. lol
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 15 March 2014, 04:27:16 PM
Amusing hybrid:

(http://s017.radikal.ru/i425/1303/ec/99ba4976309b.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: dm on 15 March 2014, 07:51:00 PM
Excellent photos :) and thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: carlos marighela on 15 March 2014, 10:49:48 PM
And then there's always this.....
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 16 March 2014, 03:55:23 AM
(http://fotogai.ru/uploads/images/00/60/57/2012/02/03/87e58b0b54.jpg)

Inscription on Demotivatory "remained 3 SMS"


(http://www.yaplakal.com/uploads/post-3-13419257539865.jpg)

Russian have 6 SMS


(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SdvM9nWMRvI/AAAAAAAA-HA/yI9KtPFK0ec/s640/rethrwhwegdf.jpg)

Infrared sight ZG 1229 Vampir. Was first used in combat in the last months of the war and weighed about five pounds, but the soldiers had to carry still "batteries power supply" in the knapsack. Their weight was thirty pounds.


(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SdvM-z-WR5I/AAAAAAAA-Hk/12wCKQvPbjQ/s640/rthetghdrfdf.jpg)

This device is better known for shooting from behind a corner.
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: mrtn on 16 March 2014, 02:33:49 PM
Cool stuff (love the pigeons :) ). Here's a pic from Denmark, with wood-gas run hanomags:

(http://www.holstebro-museum.dk/files/gallery/5372/1363/601/)

Germans going home after war's end:
(http://www.holstebro-museum.dk/files/gallery/5435/1363/601/)

Confiscated German vehicles at the Danish border after war's end:

(http://www.holstebro-museum.dk/files/gallery/5425/1363/601/)

These are from the excellent site: http://www.holstebro-museum.dk/lh/gallerier/besaettelsen-og-befrielsen.html
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 20 March 2014, 09:08:33 AM
The Soviet 37-mm mortar-shovel.
Russian soldiers joked: "Shoot - as shovel, is digging - as mortar."

(http://www.airsoft.kg/forum/uploads/post-111-1382940349_thumb.jpg)

(http://s.pikabu.ru/images/previews_comm/2013-02_2/13600944425393.jpg)


Sturmpistole

(http://s16.radikal.ru/i190/1003/02/4cef6f04409d.jpg)

Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 22 March 2014, 12:43:44 PM
Soviet 125mm ampulomet (thrower ampoules) of the sample in 1941 - a version capsule flamethrower in which tin or glass ampoule with flammable liquid hurled at a target at a distance of 300 meters. Ampulomets used during World War II the Army of the Red Army, ranging in their flamethrower weapon system an intermediate position between the jet flame throwers and cannons equipped with incendiary ammunition.
Used against armored vehicles and fortifications of the enemy. Ampulomet could also throw mortar bombs and smoke bombs. In 1942in connection with the saturation of the troops more perfect anti-tank weapons, and also because of the danger of using was withdrawn from service.

(http://media.vorotila.ru/ru/items/t1@086609ca-6e6f-4037-85cf-b261032b2894/Ampulomet-Zabytoe-oruzhie-VOV.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/3891.jpg)

(http://victory.rusarchives.ru/img/photos/2677_144785638_big.jpg)

Shooting "agitational" shell with propaganda leaflets.
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 24 March 2014, 08:16:26 AM
The Fliegerfaust, also known as the "Luftfaust" (lit. "air fist"), was a prototype unguided, man-portable, German multi-barreled ground-to-air rocket launcher, designed to destroy enemy ground attack planes.

By April 1945 was made only 100 Portable Air Defence Systems. In the last days of the Third Reich, Hitler's command threw the front all that remained on hand. Therefore, in April the Germans urgently formed a special command antiaircrafters, which included part of the of shooters-test firm HASAG. After receiving 80 MANPADS, they went to the front. Did not reach us information about the combat use of the Wehrmacht its newest anti-aircraft weapons.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Luftfaust.JPG/640px-Luftfaust.JPG)

(http://weapon.at.ua/images/statyi/arsenal-3/Cudo_orugie.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: Nysse on 25 March 2014, 08:22:04 PM
Brilliant thread! Thank you guys! I was familiar with some of the equipment, but damn that Soviet shovel mortar looks epic :) Didn't realize they had tried something like that too. Must have been interesting to use

But still no technology beats good old fashioned birch logs and molotov cocktails when you really need to destroy a tank :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8_hS0gqU8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8_hS0gqU8)

The Finnish state alcohol store actually made these as mass production during Winter War

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b0/Molotovin_cocktail.jpg/353px-Molotovin_cocktail.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: Finisterrae on 25 March 2014, 09:41:24 PM
My Grandpa, who served with Panzerlehrdivision during the war, always told me there would be pistols whose rounds are bigger than the pistol itself. Never believed him, now it dawns to me he was meaning the Sturmpistole.
The model of the Vampir rifleman is made by an American. Holding the StuG like GIs hold their M4.  ;D


Improvised German tank hunters

(http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/capwanze.jpg)
6 Panzerschreck mounted at a SdKfz. 301.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/wanze-borgward-b-iv-ausfuhrung-mit-raketenpanzerbuchse-54.htm (http://www.achtungpanzer.com/wanze-borgward-b-iv-ausfuhrung-mit-raketenpanzerbuchse-54.htm)

(http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/universal_3PzGrenDiv-03.jpg)
Converted captured Bren Carrier, 3.PzGrenDiv., Italy 1944.

http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/3PzGrDiv.htm (http://beutepanzer.ru/Beutepanzer/uk/APC_universal/3PzGrDiv.htm)

Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 26 March 2014, 01:36:00 AM
During the Winter War and the Great Patriotic War were widely used aerosleds type TsAGI-ANT-IW - Tupolev design and OSGA-NKL-6 - design  N.M. Andreev. Snowmobile NKL-6 equipped with a machine gun mounted on a rotating turret, participated in combat operations, patrolling the open sections of the front, carried outposts objects.

With its high speed and great maneuverability, they are were used to identify enemy firing points and adjust artillery fire, a link among units, transporting ammunition and food, evacuate the wounded. So, February 11, 1940 in Soviet offensive at the front of the 13th Army between Lake Ladoga and Lake Vuoksa used three aerosleds company. Aerosled detachments were used during "ice hike" in March 1940 to capture a bridgehead on the shore of the Gulf of Vyborg.

Promptly have been created and new aerosleds: sanitary NKL-6C, especially for evacuation of seriously wounded on stretchers inserted into the body through the side hatch sleighs, staff aerosleds NKL-38, platform aerosleds NKL-12 for servicing airfields - for transportation fuel in casks , interchangeable engines for aircraft, etc.

(http://i036.radikal.ru/1011/e1/aba4a2decf1f.jpg)

(http://s008.radikal.ru/i303/1011/16/132eebde8656.jpg)

(http://s06.radikal.ru/i179/1011/7d/d2bee4b5fa0a.jpg)

(http://s43.radikal.ru/i102/1011/54/bd50a4d30340.jpg)
Transportation aerosleds NKL-16 from the detachment captain Prokhorov during a combat mission. Winter 1943

(http://s007.radikal.ru/i301/1011/14/da8b79e6944b.jpg)

(http://i071.radikal.ru/1011/4e/55b28283f279.jpg)

(http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/1011/1d/730df6a48f99.jpg)

(http://s013.radikal.ru/i323/1011/5e/23fdc428067d.jpg)
Aerosled in the town square Gjatsk. Winter 1942/43.

(http://s015.radikal.ru/i331/1011/05/810e490126af.jpg)
The landing of the scouts of airsleigh NKL-16. Winter 1942/43.

(http://s015.radikal.ru/i330/1011/f4/cd38bc576006.jpg)
Sanitary aerosled NKL-16 model 1937.

(http://i080.radikal.ru/1011/ac/5b78b10d0bcf.jpg)
Aerosled RF-8 (GaZ-98) in battle. 1943.

(http://s013.radikal.ru/i325/1011/5f/a602ff124cca.jpg)
German soldiers - considering trophy aerosled. 1943.

(http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/1011/0a/b14c7f0f4856.jpg)
Aerosled NKL-26 in the summer "shoes". June 1944.
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 27 March 2014, 10:23:52 AM
Dogs in the Red Army

Sled dogs (about 15,000 sled).
In the winter - on sledges, and in summer - on special trolleys - from the battlefield evacuated 700,000 severely wounded soldiers. Delivered to the front line of 3,500 tons of ammunition.

(http://i.piccy.info/i5/07/19/1461907/04.jpg)

(http://www.domdog.ru/uploads/posts/1304932911_vov8.jpeg)

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i639/1205/5f/fba36ec36079.jpg)

(http://poteryashka.spb.ru/_fr/39/7806001.jpg)

(http://yahooeu.ru/uploads/posts/2011-04/1303025061_bode-raz-39.jpg)

(http://i.piccy.info/i7/9bc98c3972cf195d1549c7b186d93466/4-56-29/3177036/post_1361618791.jpg)

Mine-detecting dogs (about 6000 dogs).
Dogs found 4 million mines fougasse - and other "explosive items." Total area demining - 151530 km.

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i612/1205/8d/5198fe20cd51.jpg)

(http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0//43/633/43633760_1241911769_b72bf2924ff6.jpg)


Dogs-signalers
Dogs in a combat situation, often in places impassable for man delivered more than 120,000 combat reports; for establishing communications laid eight thousand kilometers telephone wire.

(http://cs10378.vk.com/u155060323/-14/x_f944c9e7.jpg)

(http://cs10378.vk.com/u155060323/-14/x_eb696e4e.jpg)


Dogs-tank destroyer
Have undermined more than 300 fascist tanks, including 63 during the Battle of Stalingrad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6401/66496967.1f/0_67287_471f86b9_XL.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/show/3230.jpg)

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/Fasch/minedogs01.jpg)

(http://www.blockhaus.ru/forum/uploads/monthly_2005_11/post-88-1132669772.jpg)

(http://img.allzip.org/g/42/thumbs/2891351.jpg)

Dogs Military Medical Services
Dog to have on their backs a bag with bandages. They were looking for wounded soldiers on the battlefield and lead to him paramedics.

(http://i061.radikal.ru/1105/da/ae69300aee67.jpg)

(http://s43.radikal.ru/i099/1302/1b/c1c36640baca.jpg)

(http://s42.radikal.ru/i096/0911/d5/2a11d026c2c6.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 27 March 2014, 10:34:51 AM
Dogs in the German army.

(http://s001.radikal.ru/i196/1004/4d/e2ac06a6bf60.jpg)

(http://s017.radikal.ru/i438/1205/fd/8cf7422d4bad.jpg)

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i640/1205/8a/abf76926122e.jpg)

(http://i015.radikal.ru/1205/61/254ccb99bdf7.jpg)

(http://s011.radikal.ru/i316/1205/79/cd670d66e605.jpg)

(http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1205/86/b282b13c520f.jpg)

Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 29 March 2014, 04:56:28 PM
Everyone knows about the Soviet antitank rifles PTRD and PTRS. But not everyone knows that they are very often used as an improvised anti-aircraft guns. And even managed to shoot down low-flying aircraft ...

(http://broneboy.ru/wp-content/uploads/s-PTR-18.jpg)

(http://reibert.info/attachments/ptr-jpg.516668/)

(http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4204/kolonist62.8e/0_48439_905fbba7_orig.jpg)

(http://st.otvaga2004.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/otvaga2004_ptr05-564x800.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: Finisterrae on 29 March 2014, 08:07:04 PM
Quote
Dogs-tank destroyer
Have undermined more than 300 fascist tanks, including 63 during the Battle of Stalingrad.
I was wondering about this claim since I read that the soviet anti-tank dog program was a failure.
To quote said wikipedia article:

Quote
This claim [i.e., 300 disabled vehicles] was questioned by Russian historians as propaganda, trying to justify the dog training program. There are however documented claims of individual successes of the program, with the number of damaged tanks usually being within a dozen.

Regarding the "curious" aspect, the Churchill AVRE has to be mentioned:
(http://i1.wp.com/www.defensemedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Churchill-AVRE.jpg?resize=550%2C543)
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/hobart-and-his-funnies-gen-bradley-and-the-d-day-controversy/

... as well as the Japanese FB swamp crossing vehicle
(http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/japan/FB-swampvehicle.jpg)
http://www.strange-mecha.com/vehicle/track/scv.htm

...and, of course, the strange German "Kugelpanzer" captured by Soviet Forces from the Japanese in Manchuria.
(http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Pictures/kp1.png)
http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/KRUPP%20KUGELPANZER.htm

... not to mention the bat bombs, of which I could find no photo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: Johnnytodd on 30 March 2014, 12:18:13 AM
Charlie "Bazooka" Carpenter turned his lowly Piper Cub into a tank buster:

(http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac297/grendels_father/Piperl4carryingsixbazookas300dpic_zps2b2dabc3.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 30 March 2014, 06:06:58 AM
I was wondering about this claim since I read that the soviet anti-tank dog program was a failure.
To quote said wikipedia article:

In Russia there is a joke: "Russia - a country with an unpredictable history."

Unfortunately, many modern Russian historians can not be trusted ... In an attempt to fight against "Stalinist legacy" written many false history books, where to vilify the Stalinist period in Russia's history - slandered and a history of the Great Patriotic War.
Though in the history books a lot of liars a also in the communist period - for a different reason.
I prefer to believe reminiscences of the participants events. Here are two specific combat episodes involving dogs-destruction tanks. I took them from the book memories Soviet officers, veterans of war. The fighting in the Crimea in 1942:

"July 21, 1942 north of the village Chaltyr, from the city of  Taganrog, on the position of 68-th Separate Marine Rifle Brigade attacked about 40 tanks. Twelve of them, suppressing the battery 45-mm anti-tank guns, were advancing to the command post. The situation became critical. And then the brigade commander, Colonel Athanasius Efimovich Shapovalov used last reserve - 4th company of SIT (Dogs - Tank Destroyer).
Fifty-six dogs rushed towards the tanks. As recorded in the short history of combat operations brigade, "at this time through the combat formations defending sailors raced dogs - tank destroyers. On their backs been fastened explosive charge and, like an antenna sticking out lever from contact with the bottom of the tank which tripped detonator and explode a bomb. Tanks exploded one after the other. Field covered with black plumes of acrid smoke. Tank attack stopped. The surviving tanks with accompanying infantry began their retreat. Fight subsided ... ".

"July 22, 1942 near the village of Sultan-Saly, north-west of Rostov, in the defense zone of the 256th Rifle Regiment of the 30th Infantry Division there was an emergency situation. At 11.40 more than fifty German tanks and about regiment motorized infantry - went out in the rear of our battalions. And how and day before that near Chaltyr, north of the village Krasnyy Krym - dogs have saved the situation.
By order of the commander of the 30th Division Colonel Boris Nikititch Arshintsev - Captain Ivancha pulled off leash 64 dog-bomber. In a matter of minutes were undermined 24 enemy tanks - a unique result! Left without dogs, killed under the tanks and shot by German machine guns, soldiers of the 3rd company "Dogs - Tank Destroyer" downed volley fire from rifles enemy twin-engine bomber.
Many soldiers-dog owners mourned their animals, "We are soldiers, we are defending Motherland and they just blindly trust us and love us. But we betrayed them ... ".

The last episode of the successful use of dogs-tank destroyers, which is known to me, was in 1943, during the Battle of Kursk.
But the results of these units were not stable - well trained dogs was difficult, especially during the war. Good dogs were needed for other military activities (as well as like good dog training specialists), and turn them into a disposable weapon was very wasteful.
Poorly trained dogs bombers were dangerous to their own troops.

In Russia, there are monuments dogs fighter tanks. And I tend to believe named digit - about 300 destroyed enemy war machines. Only in one case described by me above the Nazis lost about 30-50 tanks ...

(http://vetert.ru/rossiya/volgograd/sights/328-pamyatnik-sobakam-istrebitelyam-tankov/02.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: carlos marighela on 30 March 2014, 08:03:32 AM
Rin-Tin Tick Tick Boom.

Pavlov himself would have been impressed. Of course it reminds one of the old Soviet era joke:

'How do we know socialism isn't a scientific theory?'

'Because they would have tested it on dogs first'.
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 30 March 2014, 10:47:44 AM
At the end of the 1930s in the USSR Mitin brothers was constructed one of the first mass-produced barrel suppressor expansion type. The device has been called "BraMit" in honor of its inventors and was designed to be installed on the revolver Nagan and Mosin rifle.
Suppressor could be used without problems with a standard revolver, for use on the Mosin rifle was needed cartridge with reduced charge of gunpowder.
Suppressors "BraMit" is widely and successfully used by Russian diversionists, snipers and partisans.

(http://lemur59.ru/sites/default/files/images/%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%20-01.jpg)
Suppressor "BraMit" for the revolver Nagan


(http://lemur59.ru/sites/default/files/images/%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82.jpg)
Suppressor "BraMit" for the Mosin rifle.


(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/9634/1740.jpg)

(http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/1/8/8/912881.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 06 April 2014, 10:02:56 AM
Mountain packhorse rocket launcher M-8 "Katyusha"

Mountain packhorse rocket launcher M-8 had a total weight of 68 kg. Rocket launcher was the guide rails for 8 missiles (4 on top and 4 bottom). Vertical angle aiming was 45 °, horizontal - 360 °. Salvo launches was carried out for 1-2 seconds, firing range at 5.5 km. Rocket launcher was simple and reliable in operation, easy to was dissociated into 3 a pack and quickly translated into the firing position.

It was formed on 12 mountain missile batteries through 4 rocket launchers each battery.

Were used these rocket launchers in the battles in the Caucasus, in the Crimea, in amphibious operations on the Black Sea coast, this weapon was used by Soviet partisans.
In 1944, these rocket launchers were used in battle in the Carpathian mountains and foothills. During this period, a rocket launcher mounted on the car, "Willis" and could fire out of such a provision, or can be easily removed from the car for shooting from the ground.

(http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/1386562466_01.jpg)

(http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/1386562479_02.jpg)

(http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/1386562498_03.jpg)

(http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/1386562437_04.jpg)

(http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/1386562445_07.jpg)

(http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2013-12/1386562504_08.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 14 June 2014, 04:52:40 PM
Aerosled in the German army:

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/488.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/489.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/490.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/545.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/557.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb/misc.php?item=1654&download=0)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/578.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/668.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/669.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/670.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/671.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/672.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/700.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/962.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/963.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/964.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2281.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2282.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2283.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2284.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2285.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2286.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2827.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/2828.jpg)


Aerosled in the Finnish army:

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/742.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/591.jpg)

http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/353.jpg (http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/353.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/679.jpg)

http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/1752.jpg (http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/1752.jpg)

http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/1655.jpg (http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/1655.jpg)

http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/588.jpg (http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/588.jpg)

http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/676.jpg (http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/676.jpg)
Title: Re: Curious, improvised and other unusual weapons - as ideas for creativity
Post by: cuprum on 14 June 2014, 04:54:45 PM
Russian airboat NKL-5:

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/1870.jpg)

(http://waralbum.ru/bb_img/1871.jpg)