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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Legion on 19 March 2014, 12:50:10 AM
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I'm looking for that most difficult to find fantastical miniature: left-handed human adventurers.
Preferably medieval, preferably low-fantasy.
Does anybody make them? I've looked and found none. What is up with that?
And I'm not talking about the overdone dual-wielder. I mean for real leftorii; weapon in left hand and shield, torch, lantern, sack, &c. on right.
(I'm posting this here as well as in Medieval.)
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I'm not sure you'll have much luck - righties seem to have all the luck. Weirdly, I've been doing a lot of plastic kitbashing recently, and have ended up with a number of lefties. Perhaps converting is a way forward?
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RBG games' Fat Fergus
(http://red-box-games.com/images/Vlado%20Fergus%20V1.jpg)
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there are a lot of reasons to use a shield the way most people use it. And humans up to primates have a clear and well researched preference for right hand dominance.
So apart from individual combat (and I can clearly confirm from experience the funny narrative about this topic in "the princess bride"), when it comes to the use of shields it is clearly about fighting in a formation - going even so far that fortresses are built with approaches that force You to expose the right side of the body.
so, here You have Your explanation: it is historically and anthropologically founded not to have lefthanders not adapting to the common handedness (in hand to hand combat), unless they are very proficient and have the privilege to cultivate their lefthandedness.
Keep in mind, it means opting out of every formation that statistically minimizes becoming a casualty.
so Your lefthanded adventurer will either be a peasant from the back of nowhere who incidentally picks up fighting or a pampered prince who had a fencing teacher and knew he would never have to be part of a formation ;)
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@former user
Yep, your last paragraph points to where I'm looking.
I'm talking about dungeon delvers and tomb robbers here not heavy infantry.
This is the Fantasy Adventures board after all.
Curious that your only suggested origins are peasant or prince. I think I could wedge a pirate in there.
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even a fantasy world has rules to follow, and a social environment that dictates certain things. I was referring to the background of the adventurer, and how he came to using weapons in the first place. I asume that even in a fantasy world, combat proficiency is more a matter of exercise and not natural talent.
Anyway, the general approach I was hinting at was to look for someone from an organized state society who is not involved with the regular military. Pirate or any other background that favours individual skills might be a good start indeed
But sorry, I did not realize that my RPG character generation routine had taken over my writing cortex. From my memory, You might find more elven adventurers who are lefthanded
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Thanks Mr Tough Guy.
I've got that Friar.
And so the answer is no, other than the half dozen or so figs from almost as many companies' inventories, nobody makes quasi-Western European medieval human adventuring leftorii.
Bizarre.
I guess if you want a job done right, or rather left, ...
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well, we cannot overcome the confines of the human nature ;)
as it happens, I stumbled over exactly this problem a few years ago when I experimented variations in holding postures for rifles.... :D
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Think you will find even now that the British army dont do left Handed rifles !
end of days they are only lead models !
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Think you will find even now that the British army dont do left Handed rifles !
While I appreciate their efforts to keep the more sinister elements of society out of the armed forces, I'd just wish they didn't take it so literally....
It's manual discrimination, I tell you! ;D
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Think you will find even now that the British army dont do left Handed rifles !
Watch this space. We might be getting the F2000 or G36 instead of the SA80.
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I was looking through my unwanted lead after reading this and I found two with weapons in their left hands. I have no idea of the manufacturer though.
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Think you will find even now that the British army dont do left Handed rifles !
sadly, Monty Python did not do a bit with the left handed fusilier in the firing line - would have been hilarious.....
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I was looking through my unwanted lead after reading this and I found two with weapons in their left hands. I have no idea of the manufacturer though.
I'd like to see them.
Will you please post here or PM or email me pics?
L
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It's manual discrimination, I tell you! ;D
No you just DONT want the empty(hot) case hitting you in the face :D
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Thanks, now I know how to recognize a left-handed British soldier... :D
Just look for the burn marks on their faces...
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No you just DONT want the empty(hot) case hitting you in the face :D
Aye being left handed it hurts, the SLR not so much but the bullet whipped past your eyes, the SA80 though hit you in the face. It was a nightmare for me being left handed having to fire down the range, totally un-natural ;D
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Aye being left handed it hurts, the SLR not so much but the bullet whipped past your eyes, the SA80 though hit you in the face. It was a nightmare for me being left handed having to fire down the range, totally un-natural ;D
I tried shooting the M-16 with the official deflector only to get the rounds down my back (deflected rounds went up then down, duh, typical bureaucrat idea of a "solution.") Ouch! Fortunately I (and my brother) both are ambidextrous. We took turns using left and right handed rifles and bows as youngsters. I still prefer shooting a rifle left handed and a bow right handed but can do the opposite.
Back OT, yes left handed figures are rare. I don't think I have any in my small pre-gunpowder collection.
Yes, some pictures would be great!
Gracias,
Glenn
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Funny you should mention pirates.
There's Wargames Foundry
Kheir-ed-din is definitely left-handed.
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/348ad228e5b846c01dacca0400f545b3_f5797.png)
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As is Thomas Anstis:-
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/7bb9646d44d44d9436f33221683c3409_f5803.png)
(although, to be fair, only because his right hand appears to be a hook)
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Otherworld Miniatures has this Half-Orc Fighter/Cleric:-
(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dab2halforcfightercleric.jpg)
and, possibly this assassin (though it's hard to be 100% sure from the angle of the picture)
(http://otherworldminiatures.co.uk/figures/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/dab1assassin.jpg)
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Hasslefree has Artemis (although she is a bit naked):-
(http://www.hfminis.co.uk/img_cms/product_images/h036%20artemis.jpg)
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Heresy Miniatures has these two:-
(http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/large/heroes030.jpg)
(http://heresyminiatures.com/shop/images/large/heroes016.jpg)
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Thank you very much gents.
That's one woman (Artemis) I didn't know about. As you say, she is a bit naked; beautiful to be sure, but quite nude.
The Heresy Viking I have, ditto the Otherworld Assassin (and yeah, he's not a solid leftie to me).
I guess that half-orc (which I also have) *could* just be a really ugly guy (replace the fang with a cigar maybe?).
And I've been eyeing Kheir-ed-din for a while. I want to add him to my Arabian Knights as he doesn't look to be carrying a pistol (though I could hack it off either way I suppose.)
And elves in stainless steel crop-tops are on my list of "Whatev." Nice sculpt, but nah.
Very helpful. Thanks again.
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You've raised a valid point Legion, and I'll be keeping an eye out for left-handed miniatures from now on.
As my (left-handed) father used to say, "it's a sign of intelligence", ;)
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Brother Vinni has this Paladin-type lady (http://www.brother-vinni.com/shop.htm#!/~/product/category=5965006&id=25324808). She's even wearing clothes! :o
I think your best bet is simply to convert some figures. Find models with separate shields, and weapons that aren't held against the body. The hands should be easy enough to clip off and replace with parts from suitable donors.
Cutting a weapon off a right hand should leave a fist suitable for taking a separate shield.
Games Workshop makes plenty of dual-wielders, which would net you weapon hands of every size from elves and humans, up through orcs, ogres, and minotaurs. Also, one of the Griping Beast dark age plastic sets has a few left-handed weapon arms (probably the Vikings, but I don't remember).
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Thanks 'Monger.
She's great! Noted.
And I do get what you mean about modding. But in a perfect world I'm looking for more figs like the one you linked.
I don't want left handers standing like right handers. I want left handers standing like left handers. I shoot both left and right handed; the stances are -- one from the other -- horizontally flipped, if I may use a digital image term.
Some of the figs I've come across have the look of genuine southpaws. But many just look like a dexter holding a sword in his left hand.
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Some of the figs I've come across have the look of genuine southpaws. But many just look like a dexter holding a sword in his left hand.
Too true, that.
Gracias,
Glenn
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I don't want left handers standing like right handers. I want left handers standing like left handers. I shoot both left and right handed; the stances are -- one from the other -- horizontally flipped, if I may use a digital image term.
That's an excellent point that I admit I'd forgotten. Although, I wonder if you might see an increase in lefties as more shops begin to use digital sculpting - after all, they could feasibly just flip the render and print a mirror version.
On a more practical note... while you're certainly correct regarding some figures, surely there are poses that are more neutral. Not necessarily the best example, but take this plastic GB viking (http://grippingbeast.com/sizeimage.php?size=240&image=photos/mikecpvik02.jpg). If you clip off both hands, it doesn't make much difference which one holds the weapon or the shield. Same thing with a typical "advancing" pose: if it were a still photo of an Olympic runner, you'd be hard pressed to tell whether the person is right- or left- handed. You could put any piece of equipment in either hand, so long as the motion of the arms matched the legs.
Remember also that you can change feel of a pose - rather than the physical stance - just by repositioning the head. Say you have a person leaning back on his right foot, with left foot extended. You can make him appear to be guarding his left, or advancing to his right, merely by turning the head to face one side or the other, especially when you combine it with the arms being up or down, bent or extended, etc.
Granted, there are other visual cues that make a difference such as straps or scabbards, but not all models have them, and some are more easily removed (or added) than others.
I guess my point is, don't automatically discount a model you like just because it's holding a sword in the "wrong" hand, because a bits box and a little surgery can make a big difference in how a figure looks.
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The GW Theoden miniature is strangely left handed,as I am :D