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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on March 19, 2014, 09:12:00 AM
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Hi,
28mm scale to fit our moderns range the 2A6 Leopard.
currently used by a number of nations and saw action in Afghanistan.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/Leapord03_zps975d31d6.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/Leapord03_zps975d31d6.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/Leapord01_zps76ec1bdd.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/Leapord01_zps76ec1bdd.jpg.html)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y232/Eaglstone/Leapord02_zps7c161e9a.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Eaglstone/media/Leapord02_zps7c161e9a.jpg.html)
Enjoy,
Paul
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Very nice - when will it be available?
You have a very nice range of modern vehicles now.
Regards
Mick
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Available NOW!!! :)
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Always has been the best looking MBT in existence. Nice model.
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purrrrfect :)
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its a beauty!! :o
regards
ged
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A must have! :o
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Whaaaaat! ;D
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Lovely, Bob Winward is a genius! Dors this suggest you will be making Canadians or Danes, the people that actually used Leopards in Afghanistan?
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Just to clarify Bob is not the sculptor.
It was sculpted by the Imprint sculptor Adrian.
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Are there Canadians planned to go with this ? :)
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Just to clarify Bob is not the sculptor.
It was sculpted by the Imprint sculptor Adrian.
Cool. Kudos to Adrian then,the Imprint stuff has always been superb. Looks like the perfect accompaniment to the LAM and Eureka Bundeswehr ranges.
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I just love the model. 8)
@ Empress: I have to say however that I am amazed that you bring out this tank without any supporting infantry models. ???
Right now you would only increased sales of Eureka Bundeswehr minis or? (Is someone selling Canadians?)
Was this deliberate? And do you plan to bring out PLA tanks? :)
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I just love the model. 8)
@ Empress: I have to say however that I am amazed that you bring out this tank without any supporting infantry models. ???
Right now you would only increased sales of Eureka Bundeswehr minis or? (Is someone selling Canadians?)
Was this deliberate? And do you plan to bring out PLA tanks? :)
Of course it was deliberate. We didn't make it accidentally lol
Actually it was a job part completed and left over from the Imprint purchase last summer so we thought we would release it. When Imprint existed it released vehicles without having figure ranges. :?
We have already said that we intend to do Bundeswehr at some point so take this as a declaration if you wish. ;) No reason to hide this beauty in the sock draw until then.
Yes we will bringing out PLA vehicles in the future. Just need to get sculptor time as he is busy on some other things for us at the moment.
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Beautiful tank,your right,you can not keep that tank hidden. Great job.
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...Actually it was a job part completed and left over from the Imprint purchase last summer so we thought we would release it. When Imprint existed it released vehicles without having figure ranges. :?
We have already said that we intend to do Bundeswehr at some point so take this as a declaration if you wish. ;) No reason to hide this beauty in the sock draw until then.
Yes we will bringing out PLA vehicles in the future. Just need to get sculptor time as he is busy on some other things for us at the moment.
Big thanks for the in depth explanation.
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That is very nice, saw your stuff at WMMS.
May have to get it just on the basis its such a good model.
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Another great model, love it.
I have got to get painting on all the stuff I have purchased from you.
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Nice to see everyone asking for Canadians lol
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The three Danish Leopards often supported the British in Helmand province. So one could easily use this model in a game, without having Danish or Canadian infantry models.
Really great model by the way.
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Cracking model of one of my favourite modern tanks (it's ok to have favourite tanks, isn't it?).
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Cracking model of one of my favourite modern tanks (it's ok to have favourite tanks, isn't it?).
IMO yes! And even being German my "favourite" contemporary tank is the T-90...
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The three Danish Leopards often supported the British in Helmand province. So one could easily use this model in a game, without having Danish or Canadian infantry models.
Really great model by the way.
At the risk of being a rivet counter, the Danish Leopard's were Leopard 2A5 models (Leopard 2ADK) which have the shorter gun barrel. As it hapoens Siku do a very nice diecast 1/50 scale 2A5, if anyone is interested. Now if Suber would make those modern Spanish hecwas talking about, I'd be very tempted by this, it really is a superb model.
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Nothing wrong with being a rivet counter :)
I didn´t know that, thanks for pointing it out. Not really an armour guy.
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Witnessed the Danish Leopards in action at FOB Price using firing platforms on the FOB Perimeter wall in a night fight. Reassuring piece of kit.
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IMO yes! And even being German my "favourite" contemporary tank is the T-90...
I should say betrayer, but you are right. The design of russian tanks is better. After the second Worldwar we had some problems with the design. The russians became better. But we can come back with a leopard IV... ;) lol
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I should say betrayer, but you are right. The design of russian tanks is better. After the second Worldwar we had some problems with the design. The russians became better. But we can come back with a leopard IV... ;) lol
I prefer the Leopard personally!
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I'm not sure under what criteria anyone could describe a Russian tank as 'better', except maybe a personal aesthetic. Cramped, of variable reliability, ammunition poorly stowed, awful ergonomics and general habitability, plus, as experience has shown, an awful tendency to act as a mobile crematorium when hit by the vast preponderance of AT projectiles.
I love the look of the older T-54, T-55 and T-62 series but I am grateful I never had to be part of the crew of one. The Leopard 2 may look like a block of cheese with a door wedge glued to the turret front but rather one of those than anything Soviet made. The T-90 is after all merely an upgraded T-72, with most of its faults intact.
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As far as I know, west had nothing to compete with T-72 when it came out.
The whole idea of soviet/russian tanks being bad comes from the lack of success arabs had with them, but this is all debatable.
Cramped might as well be called "compact" and thus smaller target (but when people that crew russian tanks sit in a tank of a western design, they are all surprised to be able to stretch their legs :P) and the rest is "simply" an adoption of a different fighting doctrine. Just because something is different, it isn't necessarily bad. Then again, this is a wargaming forums, so I believe most of us judge by the looks and in that respect, Leopard is a winner for me, too :D
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As far as I know, west had nothing to compete with T-72 when it came out.
The whole idea of soviet/russian tanks being bad comes from the lack of success arabs had with them, but this is all debatable.
Cramped might as well be called "compact" and thus smaller target (but when people that crew russian tanks sit in a tank of a western design, they are all surprised to be able to stretch their legs :P) and the rest is "simply" an adoption of a different fighting doctrine. Just because something is different, it isn't necessarily bad. Then again, this is a wargaming forums, so I believe most of us judge by the looks and in that respect, Leopard is a winner for me, too :D
Well, actually Chieftain would have given the T-72 a run for it's money when it first came out. Of course it was rapidly overtaken by Western tanks like the Challenger, Abrams, Leopard 2 etc. M1s and Challengers demonstrated their superiority in the Gulf as did even the old M60. Same deal in the Lebanon. Merkavas and M60s blitzed T-72s.
Crew comfort and ergonomics aren't an issue of luxury, it goes directly to the efficiency of the crew. Bad designs, complicate operation, bad habitability increases fatigue. Compact, smaller target? Yes but it also contributes to the horrific lack of survivability of Russian vehicles. That's before we move onto the better armour thermal imagery and optics of Western tanks or their superior ability to utilise ground by adopting hull down positions.
The monkey model myth and the inate inferiority of Arab crews are something that have largely been dismissed. You know, Soviet crews didn't receive a lot of actual track time, at least not compared to their Western counterparts and when they did, it was often in obsolete model tanks held by training companies. I doubt there were any ex-NVA crewmen bewailing the loss of their T-72s.
Chechens were able to punch holes in T-72s with relative ease. Syrians are doing so seemingly on a daily basis jdging by the number of jihad videos, showing blazing T-72 hulks. If memory serves, there's only a singular instance of an Abrams being taken out in Iraq by a penetrating round, as opposed to a massive IED. Again from memory, no pentrating hits on any Challengers.
Western tanks are technologically superior. Crew training was on a different planet and frankly Soviet doctrine and tactical methods, whether practiced by Russians or Arab armies have not shown themselves to be world beating.
Still, like you, I like the look of Russian tanks.
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I have to agree with Carlos.
There are several issues here. The soviet designs were weak in close quarters (but as Allen Curtis pointed out in WSS tit was for a precise design trade off). Certainly the T-72 was not that good. It was a back up design for the T-64/80 combination. Ended up being produced en masse due to the crappiness of the the early -80 (more a product of bad industrial policy than anything inherently bad with the tank, but the -80 has been designed without a proven powerplant and that created problems, lot of them).
Another misunderstanding is that the arab crewed soviet produced tanks were inherently bad and dumped to the arabs... well this is largely a myth that was produced in mother Russia about the monkey version. As all myths there is smoem truth somewhere, but not in the way people, even on the PMT bang about it... By 1991 the Iraqi T-72G and M were inferior to the -72B in Russian inventory (but how many -72B were available and operationsl in 1991?), no problem. But it has to be mentioned that the G and M were produced five years before and when they were produced they were superior to the bog standard -72 and equivalent (more or less) to the -72A. The -72A has features that were superior and some inferior. Largely the 72A was desgined to compensate for the problme in the 125mm rifled gun with the additiona of the barrel fired ATGM. Yet these things were not overly reliable (shades of Sheridan) or well appreciated. The G was the first -72 to mount a laser range finder for example. Of course Arab tankers were not at the same level that soviet ones, but the shortcomings exhibited by the soviet designs in combat were also the same design features that allowed the Soviets to produce and field so many of them. If the russian tanks fight as they are designed for they are scary, if they fight in our envelop they are dead meat, same for our designs. Yet it appears that on average the design features of western MBT and their doctrine allow them to better dictate the term of the engagements.
Said that I love the M1 series, but the Charley 2 and the Leo 2A6 are close seconds. I do not like the 2A5 (the guns looks too stubby) but the 2A1/4 exercises a certain fascination on me. I also like the new Japanese and ROK mbt (the Type 10 is quite sleek) and the 96G and 99A1 from the PLA, the Ariete is nice... but the best of the best is still... the Chieftain Stillbrew!
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From the aesthetic point of view, I'm a big fan of the T-90 - just so mean-looking, which I think we can all agree is a major aspect of tank design. The 2A6 is pretty good-looking - better than the 2A5 and its stubby gun (le mot just, Arrigo) but not as good as the early marks; the elongated turret throws the proportions off.
From the practical point of view, the main reason to buy T-90s is that the Americans, Brits, French, Germans, Israelis, South Koreans, Japanese and Italians won't sell you their tanks instead. That's not the only reason, certainly - if you already have a bunch of T-72s then upgrading to T-90s might be a more sensible solution than buying a completely new type, particularly if your neighbours don't deploy anything better.
From the wargaming point of view, of course I'm going to buy both (eventually). :-*
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Looks great. Are there any other vehicles in the works? There's a lot of british machines that need to be made.
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Got mine yesterday.
Quick delivery (I'm in France), great product.
It looks awesome.
No miscasct or anything, well protected, everything perfect!
It was kind of a test to see Empress products in real, and I'm impressed!
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glad we passed :)
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glad we passed :)
Not yet... Modern Canadian infantry, a proper LAV III, and G-wagen are needed. 25% success. lol
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Not yet... Modern Canadian infantry, a proper LAV III, and G-wagen are needed. 25% success. lol
And modern spanish troops ;)
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And just to be petulant, Some American 75th Ranger Bat boys. :P
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And just to be petulant, Some American 75th Ranger Bat boys. :P
Seconded. Sua Sponte.