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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: oabee on 21 March 2014, 10:50:24 PM
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I'm looking for a female American Indian Shaman/Medicine Woman for an In Her Majesty's Name company. The only two I've found are Bombshell Miniature's "Luta" and the Reaper "female Indian shaman."
(http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/59010_w_1.jpg)
(http://product-images.highwire.com/3626510/10021luta_290.jpg)
I'm wondering if there might be any fantasy figures---a female barbarian wizard, perhaps---that might be suitable, either as is or with some conversion.
Any help would be appreciated!
Mike O
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http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/old-west/old-west-rocky-mountain-rendezvous-collection-bcow007/
VOW7/5 Bright Wings. I like that she isn't so menacing. I was going to use her as an old west Necromancer leading a pack of undead scalphunters.
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Bright Wings certainly has possibilities---I was familiar with Foundry's Rocky Mountain Rendezvous collection, but had forgotten about her.
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I just finished painting the Reaper female shaman - it's a nice model but there's a lot of small details to pick out, which I find fiddly.
Here's a pic of it, the lady in yellow is from Foundry, the one in blue is from Reaper. I think the scale works OK, even though the Reaper minis are slightly larger than most ranges.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7130/13321223294_262b3cf385_c.jpg)
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I have another one but I'm trying to remember the name of the range. It's a small range with only female characters I think.
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Found it, it's this one from battlefield babes:
(http://www.shop.battlefield-berlin.de/img_big/2bf1b84ae3b6a0255866661d671ddea9.jpg)(http://www.shop.battlefield-berlin.de/img_big/a0b20c1a8b0882b9467e6fe207322864.jpg)
http://www.shop.battlefield-berlin.de/index.php/katalog/artikelinfo/19965-1-show-battlefield_babes_3_indianerin_1.html (http://www.shop.battlefield-berlin.de/index.php/katalog/artikelinfo/19965-1-show-battlefield_babes_3_indianerin_1.html)
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I just finished painting the Reaper female shaman - it's a nice model but there's a lot of small details to pick out, which I find fiddly.
Superb brushwork, Supercollider! :-* Your assessment of the shaman is right, she's a very nice figure. On the negative side, the bone armor across her chest does a good job of subduing her "charms," so to speak---I would rather those charms be accentuated for the character I have in mind. :D That's just the male chauvinist in me. Given the choices so far, I'd probably go with the Reaper.
Bombshell's Luta is pretty much what I'm looking for, right down to her medicine bundle, and the pistol in the holster is just fine, but for some reason that "levitating" pose just doesn't do anything for me.
Same thing for the Battlefield Babes figure, white knight: very nice mini, but her pose isn't really what I'm after. That squirrel on her knee gives her that Druid feeling; my character is more of a warrior medicine woman---she's killed and counted coup against a few Shoshone in her day, and has now turned to the mystic powers and has found favor with Wise One Above. That kind of thing.
Thanks for the help, gents. Anyone else seen a figure out there that would work as a Native American shamaness? Maybe from some fantasy barbarian range, or something similar? I'm an old D&D guy, but, except for Reaper, I'm just not that familiar with the wide range of fantasy miniatures out there today, so your expertise is appreciated!
Mike O
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Maidenhead ferals？
(http://members.optusnet.com.au/maidenhead_miniatures/models/Ferals/MMNFE07.jpg)
(http://members.optusnet.com.au/maidenhead_miniatures/models/Ferals/MMNFE09.jpg)
(http://members.optusnet.com.au/maidenhead_miniatures/models/Ferals/MMNFE010.jpg)
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Conquest Games' Iroquois Ritualist pack has a female, if memory serves.
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Conquest Games' Iroquois Ritualist pack has a female, if memory serves.
I thought they might, too, but nope, at least not in any recognizable form:
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/wg7-fiw-29-iroquois-ritualists-b_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1383703720)
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Maidenhead ferals？
Wow o_o
It would be an honor to lead these lasses into battle, but it would take some modifications---green stuff, anyone?--- to bring these sorceresses into the Victorian Age. The first one, standing, summoning demon, has definite possibilities for conversion. This is a cool range of figures.
Thanks, and keep the ideas coming, boys and girls.
Mike O
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Warmachine Tharn Bloodweavers are probably too fantasy as well
(http://privateerpress.com/files/products/tharn-bloodweavers.png)
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Warmachine Tharn Bloodweavers are probably too fantasy as well
(http://privateerpress.com/files/products/tharn-bloodweavers.png)
I think these ladies have real possibilities with some slight conversion, white knight. Reaper's Deadlands Accessories and Weapons sprue has American Indian weapons and lances, plus their Shamaness's staff, which could be added to these figures. Real possibilities here.... :) I'm thinking especially of the two ladies in the middle---dynamic poses, ripe for conversion. Don't they look like they could be casting spells (or, in IHMN, Mystic Powers)? Hmmmm.......
Thanks!
Wouldn't mind seeing more, if more's out there, everyone!
Mike O
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http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/old-west/old-west-rocky-mountain-rendezvous-collection-bcow007/
VOW7/5 Bright Wings. I like that she isn't so menacing. I was going to use her as an old west Necromancer leading a pack of undead scalphunters.
I like that figure. I have a mountain man (foot/mounted) and two squaws (second-hand so source is a matter of flawed memory banks) that is similar.
Luta is okay/fairly generic (whih is good to me) and Reaper's figure is very nice but seems perhaps "specific" to a particular culture/nation - or maybe just "SF Indian."
Gracias,
Glenn
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Concerning the Tharn Bloodweavers, above:
Sigh. After examining the figures, what I thought at first was just warpaint on their faces turns out to be some kind of leather masks. Not good. A head swap now seems in order. Or some work with a Dremel to remove the masks. Being Privateer Press figures, which require lots of fiddly and irritating assembly, they may already come with detached heads. That would help.
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<snip>Being Privateer Press figures, which require lots of fiddly and irritating assembly, they may already come with detached heads. That would help.
It's an unintended benefit!
In between the fantasy and wishful thinking there are some images that may be helpful. I have only begun to plumb the depths to find gold among the dross.
Gracias,
Glenn
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http://www.firstpeople.us/photos/Costume_of_a_woman_shaman_Clayoquot.html
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/media/92460/Hupa-Female-Shaman-photograph-by-Edward-S-Curtis-1923
http://navajopeople.org/photos/index.php/Navajo-Woman/portrait-of-washie-female-shaman-from-fort-wingate-106-years-old
I feel these are obviously posed but might be more realistic...
I wasn't there. I am not sure how you would get this look in a miniature.
Gracias,
Glenn
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As far as the Tharn go, the first one in the middle has a separate head, the other ones have their heads attached.
(http://store.privateerpress.com/ProductImages/newparts/circle/DR-3173A-400.png)
You can buy individual parts from their store:
http://store.privateerpress.com/circleorborosunits.aspx (http://store.privateerpress.com/circleorborosunits.aspx)
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As far as the Tharn go, the first one in the middle has a separate head, the other ones have their heads attached. You can buy individual parts from their store:
http://store.privateerpress.com/circleorborosunits.aspx (http://store.privateerpress.com/circleorborosunits.aspx)
Good to know! This is a nice figure, and there should be plenty of heads out there for potential swapping.
I feel these are obviously posed but might be more realistic...
I wasn't there. I am not sure how you would get this look in a miniature.
Very interesting stuff! But an added complication, not noted here so far, is that the Indian Shamaness I'm working with is a Cheyenne (doesn't have to be, but for now she's based on an actual warrior named Yellow Haired Woman) and is a member of a Wild West Show touring the world but doing covert work for the US Secret Service. So her costume, whatever it is, would be an idealized or "Hollywood" version of her traditional garb.
I wonder what tribe the shamaness in your first link is from?
Moving on, someone told me about the following figures from Eureka's Fantasy range that have promise (mainly the two ladies on the ends):
(http://eurekamin.com.au/images/100FAN01.jpg)
These are not listed on their US website, only their main Australian website. Shipping to the States costs nearly twice the cost of the figures! Ouch!
I went through Dark Sword's figures (expensive, yes, but I love them :-*) and came up with three possibilities, all of which would have to be converted in some way:
Female Wild Elf Warrior DSM1164 (needs a halter top [she's bare-breasted] and a more substantial loin cloth)
http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/shop/index.php/female-wild-elf-warrior.html
Wood Elf Goddess Avatar form DSM7442 (needs more American Indian detailing bits and perhaps feathers in her hair)
http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/shop/index.php/featured/wood-elf-goddess-avatar-form.html
Female Amazon Warrior DSM7422 (needs more clothes up top [she's wearing a skimpy bra-type top] and a more substantial loin cloth)
http://www.darkswordminiatures.com/shop/index.php/female-amazon-warrior-504.html
All three have feathers as ornamentation in some way, but the weapons and/or staffs would have to change, and shields would have to go. Again, Reaper's Deadlands accessory sprue would be the ticket here.
Mike O
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Wyrd Miniatures Myranda from the Malifaux range might be suitable if you can find someone with a 1st Ed metal model in stock?
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How about Yrsa the Accursed from Red Box Games? This is the old version of her, which I prefer.
(http://i.imgur.com/KVtLOPJ.jpg)
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Foundry's Thousand tribes command?
(http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/files/cache/5f165e51f14931117163e41890424027_f7013.png)
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/gob/half-elves/ (http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/gob/half-elves/)
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Good to know! This is a nice figure, and there should be plenty of heads out there for potential swapping.
Very interesting stuff! But an added complication, not noted here so far, is that the Indian Shamaness I'm working with is a Cheyenne (doesn't have to be, but for now she's based on an actual warrior named Yellow Haired Woman) and is a member of a Wild West Show touring the world but doing covert work for the US Secret Service. So her costume, whatever it is, would be an idealized or "Hollywood" version of her traditional garb.
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Some (God knows not all) might be useful for inspiration::
http://www.google.com/search?q=traditional+cheyenne+woman+clothing&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=45YxU4GnK6GSyQGBw4DYBA&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1259&bih=593
Gracias,
Glenn
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How about Yrsa the Accursed from Red Box Games? This is the old version of her, which I prefer.
I was unaware of this figure---duh, that's the point of this whole discussion, isn't it?---and it's a wonderful sculpt. For those also unaware, the NEW version looks like this:
(http://red-box-games.com/images/RBG%20HelsVakt%20Yrsa%20the%20Accursed%20II.JPG)
Although these are well done and I can think of multiple uses for them, and will definitely pick one up, all the skulls and the nudity don't fit my immediate purpose without a lot of conversion. Thanks for the heads up, Harrymason!
Foundry's Thousand tribes command?
Another very nice figure! The dress is very appropriate, but the headdress wouldn't quite work---that shouldn't be a big problem removing and building up with green stuff. The eagle (I think it's an eagle, could be a hawk, hard to tell from this angle) would also have to go---she could be holding the Reaper staff there easily enough. The sword could become a knife. Definitely a possiblilty, with some work. Thanks, aiteal.
Wyrd Miniatures Myranda from the Malifaux range might be suitable if you can find someone with a 1st Ed metal model in stock?
Noble Knight Games here in the States had her in stock, I ordered her last night, and she's already been shipped as of 9 AM this morning! Don't know how good their international service is, but Noble Knight is a superb source for everything about gaming, whether what you're looking for is out of print or brand new. Shipping options are cheap, as well.
OK, enough for the plug for Noble Knight. Myranda is very nice, and is one of the best options for my shamaness. She's a figure I'd like to have in any case. Just a few minor additions, like more feathers and maybe a knife in her hand, painting her clothing as buckskin, turning the skulls-belt into a simple belt or sash, and maybe adding some fringe, and she would fit the bill. Thank you julesav! For those who haven't seen her, here she is:
(http://static1.paizo.com/image/product/catalog/WYR/WYR3008_500.jpeg)
Wow o_o there are a whole lot of fine figures out there! If they won't work for this project, many will fit the bill for my next: a Martian female company based on the girls from Tin Man's latest Kickstarter (Lost Worlds' Princesses). Many of these figures listed above would fit right in with minimal or no modification.
Regards,
Mike O
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I wonder what tribe the shamaness in your first link is from?
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This may help:
Clayoquot
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Clayoquot /ˈklækwɒt/ is an anglicization of the Nuu-chah-nulth language name "Tla-o-qui-aht", one of the indigenous tribes of the region so named. It may refer to:
Clayoquot, British Columbia, historically also known as Port Cox, a community on Stubbs Island, just northwest of Tofino, British Columbia
Clayoquot Sound and the associated region, including:
the Clayoquot River
Clayoqua 6, an Indian Reserve at the mouth of that river
Clayoquot Arm Provincial Park
Clayoquot Plateau Provincial Park
the Tla-o-qui-aht First Nations, a band government of the Nuu-chah-nulth peoples, incorporating a number of historical tribes including:
the Tla-o-qui-aht people (the two other groups comprising the Tla-o-qui-aht First Nations are the Hesquiaht and the Ahousaht)
HMCS Clayoquot, a Canadian minesweeper sunk in World War II
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There is a Eureka Miniatures USA source too I think.
http://eurekaminusa.com/
additional possibles:
http://eurekaminusa.com/collections/colonials-powhatan-indians-28mm
http://eurekaminusa.com/collections/colonials-s-american-tupi-28mm
Gracias,
Glenn
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Some (God knows not all) might be useful for inspiration::
Isn't the internet wonderful? Do you young-uns realize how difficult it would have been 25-30 years ago to gather the information about native Cheyenne female dress Glenn did with just a few keystrokes? :)
Anyway, Glenn, a great point. My character would go in one of two directions: as a dedicated shamaness whom has found unique favor with Wise One Above, she would shun ornamentation a-la-Crazy Horse, or, as a member of a Wild West Show she would go the Hollywood route (or the 19th Century version thereof). The heavily ornamented-showy look---beads, fringe, jewelry---would require green-stuff work or other modifications on just about every one of the figures discussed here.
My initial conception of the character is that she would eschew unnecessary ornamentation, and wear only those items of ritual importance and power, including a medicine pouch/bundle (the character's medicine bundle, for example, provides the mystic force that gives her armor protection from all attacks), feathers, jewelry featuring objects of power, etc. But, hey, I'm open to alternatives.
Thanks, Glenn!
Mike O
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Clayoquot /ˈklækwɒt/ is an anglicization of the Nuu-chah-nulth language name "Tla-o-qui-aht", one of the indigenous tribes of the region so named.
Oh, I thought Clayoquot was her name, not her tribe!
As to Eureka USA: I contacted them about acquiring the Native American Warrioress figures in Eureka's Fantasy range (discussed above). Robert emailed back that he was going on vacation and Eureka in Australia is about to shut down for 3 weeks, so it would be about two months until I could get the figures through Eureka USA! So I bit the bullet, ordered from Australia, and paid the shipping. :'( On the plus side, Eureka notified me yesterday the order is already being packed, and should be on its way soon.
Another thing I haven't mentioned is that I will be doing the Apache Company for IHMN at some point, and will need another shaman (I definitely prefer female) and wouldn't mind having some female warriors in the band. So I have multiple uses for all these ladies we're discussing.
As to using 18th-century Native Americans; again, that would require modification. I have a large collection of French and Indian War Woodland Indian warriors, and they differ in many aspects from 19th-century Plains Indians. But then, every figure we've discussed seems to require some conversion. o_o Oh, well......
Mike O
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What about Goldmoon from the Dragonlance setting-
(http://www.fantasypartystore.com/ProdImages/RP-11-066-1.jpg)
http://www.fantasypartystore.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=121 (http://www.fantasypartystore.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=121)
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What about Goldmoon from the Dragonlance setting-
(http://www.fantasypartystore.com/ProdImages/RP-11-066-1.jpg)
Figure: :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Price: :o :o :o :o :o :o
This figure is perfect for my character. Before I spend an EXORBITANT amount of money on it, is this a true 25mm figure? Does it mix with 28mms, especially some of the "heroic" figures like the Cowgirl Tombstone figures from Black Scorpion (which aren't as tall as the male Tombstone figures)? Or does the fact that it has been built up on its base slightly (and will be further built up on a 25mm base) compensate for any shortness compared to other figures? Could she pass as a shorter---say 5'0"--woman?
Thanks for the heads-up, Mainly28s. To anybody listening: I really need to resolve the height-compatibility issue before making a decision on this one!
Mike O
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What about Goldmoon from the Dragonlance setting-
(http://www.fantasypartystore.com/ProdImages/RP-11-066-1.jpg)
http://www.fantasypartystore.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=121 (http://www.fantasypartystore.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=121)
I read a bunch of my wife's dragonlance collection and had a mild interest in the characters but I never knew about that figure!
Nicely done...
Gracias,
Glenn