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Miniatures Adventure => Old West => Topic started by: NickNascati on 31 March 2014, 07:26:29 PM
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All,
Question out of idle curiousity. Every time I start a new project and order figures, rules etc., I hesitate. I think to myself if I didn't do this new period, I could be buying x,y and z for my Western game. How many of you play nothing but Old West, and why?
Nick
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Yeah, I think the same every time I buy stuff for a different genre. I see something I like buy it then sell it again. It always comes back to my Old West project. I just wish I had the will power to only buy stuff for the Old West.
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I built TONNES of 40k stuff, helped run Ammobunker forum and was heavily involved building demo tables for uk gamesday......but by far the easiest pickup game, with simple rules and a hoot a minute is our a Western games. To be fair though...I wouldn't last a few weeks using canon rules though...much more fun as we've written most of it ourselves.
I also have a hundred weight of unpainted Napoleonics, and I've bought / sold more games than I care to think about!
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I have a LOT more than just the Old West but I worry that once I've got that lot painted the other stuff might languish - for a long time. Good thing it will take years to get my Old West stuff painted!
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I've been slowly developing discipline when it comes to the gaming hobby. I used to buy tons of stuff for a bunch of "upcoming" projects and theoretical projects etc. Now I'm pretty good about concentrating on a single project until it's complete...then moving onto another one. However, once a project is complete it's always up for some add-ons here and there.
This has taken a long time to occur, but has so far been very worthwhile.
As of late:
1) Huge Robotech project in 1/200 which was terminated because Palladium released their entire 1/300 scale project...so I bought in on that and will restart in the new scale. So that's on hold, and I've sold my spare 1/200 stuff.
2) Old West. Obviously. This is 90% done. Need to finish up my train, train tracks, a couple other buildings and some new fence sections...but it's mostly finished. Will simply add a few models/terrain to it whenever I feel like it. I'm to the point where I don't feel that I "need" more stuff constantly.
3) Current: dungeon crawl project. The dungeon is about 90% done, with miniatures maybe 10% done. Game: 5% done.
Outside of these projects I really have sold off or gotten rid of most of my extraneous miniatures/terrain etc. I've been cataloging sites/ranges/miniatures/toys etc. for future projects but unless I stumble upon something rare in a shop I have been dedicating all of my funds/time/attention to a few narrow projects. In addition to this discipline I've been practicing another: don't built it unless you're going to paint it. So far, so good. I build 10-12 miniatures and then paint them...then move on.
Since my gaming friends operate on a "host your game" method that we enjoy, the only exception to this strategy would be if someone say, started hosting a small skirmish game. I'd consider buying/painting my own warband or such. I will say that having done 40K (ie. competitive tourney buying/building), and scatter-brained madness...that having large, nice, nearly complete projects is far more satisfying. I'm not disciplined with many things in my life, but hobbying is a start! lol
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I also have began to exercise greater self control. lol
I am currently only buying things for my Old west project (Which was done for several years until someone showed me the 4ground buildings then a new round of purchasing began :?) and My Pulp project which is the other true gaming addiction I have.
I have plenty of old projects in various stages of completion and will work on them from time to time but I do not plan any purchases for them (at least not until I finish one of the above projects o_o) I also have zero plans for starting anything new but...... What was I saying about greater self control. ;)
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I am currently only buying and building for an old west project and am selling off many other minis etc. that I have accumulated over the years as I have decided to rationalize my wargame interests, partly for reasons of space but also because I have moved away from building armies to skirmish gaming with relatively simple rules.
My other current interests are Border Reivers and WWI Wings of War/Glory.
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I think i have managed to get over the butterfly syndrome , and I am sort of with you here. My Old West is the first and only complete collection I have so i think will always be attached to it from that aspect. I am sure i will add more bits n bobs as i feel the need.
I am doing a distraction in the Sudan at the moment , but that will be very different, and is being built for specific purpose , and could be disposed of at some point , whihc the Old West won't ever be
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Yes, my Old West collection is the one that will never sell, though others come and go. It is basically complete, except for a few odds and ends. Maybe some additional figures to represent certain personalities. Since Black Scorpion seems to have no intention of really expanding the range, I will have to do conversions of the existing models to get what I want.
Yes, I am beating a dead horse on this Black Scorpion issue, but as everyone says, they really are not compatible with any others!
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Unless you count Nueva España (1680 - 1820 North American Spanish Empire, California, New Mexico, some other parts,) as "Old West" this one of the arenas I am slowly exiting from.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Glenn,
What made you decide to exit from Old West gaming?
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Glenn,
What made you decide to exit from Old West gaming?
After much thought, just needed to reduce the clutter in my life and if it wasn't something I would miss deeply ("Core") in my war games then it is going/is already gone.
Core ended up being defined as:
WW1 and Modern Aerial combat (WW2 doesn't make the cut, which surprised me too,) - using Air War 1917/Air War C21 currently. I will keep [or get if they ever are created,] a few 1/600th aircraft that are my favorite aircraft (Hurricane (and it's stable mate the Spitfire,) P-36, P-38, P-39, P-40, P-47, B-17, B-26, A-26, B-25.)
Fantasy Mass Battle - Learning Rally 'Round thE King currently.
VSF Mass Battle - Learning Colonial Adventure - Lemuria currently.
VSF Skirmish - Learning IHMN currently.
1680 - 1820 Nueva España Skirmish - dithering between Long Rifle, Matchlocks on the Warpath, and Swordplay, Final Version right now.
SF unit battles - Waiting for 5150 Battalion Commander to arrive in the mail to replace current dissatisfaction
SF Space - learning 5150 Fighter Command and planning on ordering 5150 Star Navy for bigger ship games
SF Skirmish - planning on odering 5150 Star Army to replace Star Guard
I might include Post-Apocalyptic if After the Horsemen fits my non-zombie, non-mutant interest.
I will keep the old Player Characters from my Role/Roll Playing days just because it reminds me of the fun times my wife and I had in our early marriage years.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Not sure if Old West would be my only period if I had to choose just one, but it would be close to it as it is good for narrative gaming and story. Unless I applied a wide enough brush for it to include the Texian War and the US-Mexican war.
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Not sure if Old West would be my only period if I had to choose just one, but it would be close to it as it is good for narrative gaming and story. Unless I applied a wide enough brush for it to include the Texian War and the US-Mexican war.
Is there a commonly understood and agreed upon time period for "Old West" games?
Gracias,
Glenn
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Is there a commonly understood and agreed upon time period for "Old West" games?
Gracias,
Glenn
I'm not sure that there is, though I think the common assumption seems to be post US Civil War and pre 20th Century.
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Holywood Western timing!
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I'm not sure that there is, though I think the common assumption seems to be post US Civil War and pre 20th Century.
I think Wikipedia has it closer with it being from the 1830s through the 1920s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_American_Old_West
The 1910s/1920s may be "too late" in many ways but I think it starts much earlier than the 1860s.
I play most 1680 - 1820 and it feels "western" to me but YMMV.
Gracias,
Glenn
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If you look at all the key players we consider the outlaws and lawmen of fame they were in their prime between 1870 and 1890. We have made the period seem like it went on for years and years but in reality it was only 15 to 20 years. One might argue that we include the period of the western Indian wars (1866-1890) but that still only makes the period cover roughly 24 years. No period in history dominates our imaginations as powerfully as this. The next closest is the Gangster era another that lasted about 15 to 20 years but seems so much bigger in our collective psyche.
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Sorry but my Cherokee father (and my Hispanic Mother) would argue the Indian Wars were much longer ;) and even the first half of Robert Utley's two volume set Frontiersmen in Blue: The United States Army and the Indian, 1848-1865 certainly covers the continuing warfare between White (Dutch, Spanish, French, English, American,) cultures and assorted nations, especially "west" of the Mississippi River.
Even if you don't go back to the extremes of The History of the Indian Wars in New England from the First Settlement to the Termination of the War with King Philip, in 1677, which I don't, I do think it is there beyond any question that it was "Wild West" earlier. Jay Freeman is quoted as saying, "In the first half of the nineteenth century, the Comanches, often referred to as “lords of the Plains,” were the single most powerful military force in the region, to the frustration of both the Mexican and U.S. governments." The first half... It took us Spanish a series of ongoing, long, hard, sometimes, (okay, almost always,) merciless and hard fought campaigns to keep from being stymied or even rolled back by Indian revolts in northern New Spain during the years 1680-1786. Even after that it wasn't exactly pleasant some years. :o
If you limit yourself to Whites preying effectively on Whites, lol plus the odd off and on attempts at genocide during the post ACW then I would agree completely with your time line. I realize that is probbly skirting politics so I will not go any farther along that line. That is the classical period "Hollywood" has burned into many minds.
Fun discussion but it only matters what the gamers play out on the table to most of us. I consider my games "western" more than early colonial, especially here on LAF where colonial seems trapped in the 19th Century. ;)
Gracias,
Glenn
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Eh, just depends on what time frames you enjoy. Personally I couldn't care less about Spanish conquests in Central America or even the early West (Texas, Mexico etc.) thus I don't game them. The "Wild West" is decidedly post-ACW American expansion (maybe as early as the late 40's "gold rush" etc.). That's what I predominantly game. :)
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Eh, just depends on what time frames you enjoy. Personally I couldn't care less about Spanish conquests in Central America or even the early West (Texas, Mexico etc.) thus I don't game them. The "Wild West" is decidedly post-ACW American expansion (maybe as early as the late 40's "gold rush" etc.). That's what I predominantly game. :)
Nothing wrong with that, horse for courses...
Gracias,
Glenn
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This topic made me go look at the chronology of the Wild West.....courtesy of wiki, and I'm glad I did......I've dispelled so many things I thought happened and the order of them....go look....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_American_Old_West
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I'll have to look through that sometime. The one thing that I'm not familiar with are the specific dates when territories etc. became states. Heck I was born in Idaho - a state which was not a state during the ACW. lol
What's weird to me is that some Old West stuff was still going on during the early days of the Mobsters/Gangsters back East. A lot of places were very slow to adapt to that fancy "new fangled" technology.
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Given that the "Wild Bunch" had its heyday in the 1890s, and Butch and Sundance were alive until 1908, I'd say a reasonable beginning and end date for the classic Wild West would be 1866 - 1900.
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Sorry but my Cherokee father (and my Hispanic Mother) would argue the Indian Wars were much longer ;) and even the first half of Robert Utley's two volume set Frontiersmen in Blue: The United States Army and the Indian, 1848-1865 certainly covers the continuing warfare between White (Dutch, Spanish, French, English, American,) cultures and assorted nations, especially "west" of the Mississippi River.
Yes you are correct if we are talking about all the indian wars but I was focusing on the period in question ie the "wild west" period we are gaming. So I am referring to the Indians fought predominately during that period (Apache, Lakota and Comanche) at least those are the ones that crop up in the heyday of outlaws and lawmen. :) Just take a look at the timing of two of the most notable shootouts - Wild Bill Hickok-Davis Tutt shootout, July 21, 1865,(The First public 1 on 1 fast draw shoot out that was reported in the papers) Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, October 26, 1881, (who does not know this one) These alone define the period we game. Then consider this Pearl Hart and Joe Boot, her accomplice, robbed the Globe, Ariz., stage in 1898. This is considered the last Wild West Stagecoach Robbery. All the "Wild Bunch's) bank and train robberies took place between 1892-1895.
If we want to expand our thinking to cover western frontier days yes the the time period will be much longer and cover more territory. But I believe most of us game this briefer period. :D
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Christopher Columbus with a sixgun!? lol
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I kind of always associate Wild West with being everything following the civil war...so 1865 to the end of the century. However......I love spaghetti westerns...favourite being Good, the Bad and the Ugly....clearly set during the war......and probably unrealistic. Outlaw Josey Whales...set at the end of the war has clint dressed in older period clothing and sporting a clearly older weapon....so all mixed up. I wasn't aware before of the apache v Union and apache v confederacy........so....I will revise my thinking to incorporate about 1850 to the end if the century...rambling....
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Given that the "Wild Bunch" had its heyday in the 1890s, and Butch and Sundance were alive until 1908, I'd say a reasonable beginning and end date for the classic Wild West would be 1866 - 1900.
I grew up around several old timers who had been peripherally involved in the hunt for Butch Cassidy. One had even, at the age of fifteen, been the driver of a Sears motorized carriage for the Pinkertons in Montana and Wyoming during the pursuit.
In fact for per capita old west violence the worst city of the old west was the year and a half long rail town of Tunnel that accompanied the Milwaukee Railroad's construction of a mile and a half long tunnel in 1906-07.
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This topic made me go look at the chronology of the Wild West.....courtesy of wiki, and I'm glad I did......I've dispelled so many things I thought happened and the order of them....go look....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_American_Old_West
Even with all the standard academic "warnings" about Wikipedia it can be very useful if you approach it with some caution and verify everything with recognized sources (often found in the Wikipedia footnotes.)
I understand the "short-term" time frame view but growing up in the "West" I find it odd how we ignore those events that don't fit our preconceptions, not just on this subject. But I digress... Very interesting site. Thanks!
Gracias,
Glenn
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I agree to a degree with Glenn's focus on pulling the period earlier but I wonder a bit at quite as far back as he goes.
I'd give two alternatives for the Old West period, and maybe both combined. Colt's development of the revolver pistol - earlier than the ACW if memory serves, though perfected afterwards - and the California Gold rush. I really think you need both. And we must remember that California was what pulled most people west in the first place, just a lot of them didn't make it all the way. And you Texans who think otherwise should move to Tierra Tel Fuego! >:(
But seriously, folks, if you study the Gold Rush I think you'll find the prototype for most of the Old West - except maybe the range wars. What about the cattle drives, you say? Well, okay, not cattle but in the 1840s there were herds of 100,000+ horses running wild in the central valley of California and Americans entered the Mexican territory (which it was at the time) and stole them in herds of thousands to take east across the deserts. Why, I think some of those horse thieves were even Texans! lol
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I agree to a degree with Glenn's focus on pulling the period earlier but I wonder a bit at quite as far back as he goes.
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Well I predominately came into the Old West via the Spanish New Spain thing so I just may be the "exception to every rule" omnipresent 3rd sigma example. ::)
Yes, I think the 1840s is a very strong factor in the Old West culture/environment. 8)
But, having been born in SoCal (Spanish Heritage Mother) and being a future resident of New Mexico in a few years may have jaundiced my view of Texans... ;) lol just a bit...
Gracias,
Glenn
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Anyone not being a Texan has jaundiced their view of Texans from what I have seen.
Thank god so few can stand the cold ;)
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Ok so the California Gold rush 1848-1855 would be the early days of the period. I would consider it the period that sets the stage for the Wild West.
The development of the colt revolver is a good marker. The first colt revolver patent was in 1835-36 for a cap and ball revolver ( You could not use self contained cartridges you had to carry gun powder and shot) the more recognized revolver with a bored through cylinder did not come about until after Smith and Wesson's patent for the bored-through cylinder patent expired in 1869 (The original patent was posted around 1855)
Colt then began producing its most popular revolver in 1872, the single action (It had to be cocked) revolver. The Single Action Army model colt revolver was indispensable in the west. More than any other handgun, it played a crucial role in the west being the handgun of choice for almost all the key figures. The double action revolver (the revolver could be fired simply by pulling the trigger) did not appear until 1877. This is of course the gun most western movies use ;). It was not mass produced while Colt was alive because he did not think it was as accurate as the more popular single action revolver. So if we are going to use the colt revolver as a marker we are still looking at a very short period.
Another marker weapon would be "The Gun that Won the West" the Winchester lever action rifle (1873-1919) :D
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The California Gold Rush was pretty freaking wild...
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Gracias,
Glenn
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Yeah, all of what Glenn said and Joaquin Murietta (see The Legend of Zorro - though I mostly watched Catherine Zeta-Jones, hubba-hubba - for a misplaced interpretation of the Murietta legend. And lots of stage coach robberies, bank robbers, train robbers, rustlers. Yeah, California is a neglected field for the early (not as early as Glenn's!) Old West gaming. Study it up, folks. And, for fun, rewatch (or watch) Paint Your Wagon.
And having said that, just why am I aiming further east? Well, Apaches and Lakota (Sioux to the uninformed), and Texas longhorns (I ain't got nothing against them innocent cattle, it's the ornery two legged rattle snakes I have a problem with). But that doesn't mean I won't have games inspired by California based events, no sirree.
And did you know the iconic tumbleweed is NOT native to America. Seems it came here from Italy. But don't anybody tell Roy Rogers that! Why, Trigger would jump right out of his taxidermed skin.
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And having said that, just why am I aiming further east? Well, Apaches and Lakota (Sioux to the uninformed), and Texas longhorns (I ain't got nothing against them innocent cattle, it's the ornery two legged rattle snakes I have a problem with). But that doesn't mean I won't have games inspired by California based events, no sirree.
This is my reasoning for aiming further east as well. I also enjoy the region of California and Zorro. 8)