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Title: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Pijlie on 26 April 2014, 04:04:58 PM
I am looking for East coast woodland indians in 28mm for the early days of European colonization of the Americas.

I love the Conquest ones, but they are mostly equipped with muskets and sold in packs. I am looking for bows, clubs, spears and axes.

Any pointers?
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Captain Blood on 26 April 2014, 04:55:40 PM
The Brigade Games 'King Phillip's War' range. Seems tailor made for what you're looking for - 17th Century woodland Indians: http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/King-Philips-War-1675-76_c_36.html

EDIT: Although truthfully, looking at them, they don't seem terribly different from the late C18th woodland indians available from several manufacturers. And they still have mostly muskets... If you want more 'primitive' looking indians, I suspect you may have to look at the Gripping beast 'Skraelings' - although I think that may have been a limited edition set, and not sure it's available any more. (And I don't think the figures were all that great from my brief inspection of them at Salute a year or two back... )
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: M.P. on 26 April 2014, 08:55:53 PM
CP Models also makes some descent looking Skraelings.
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: von Lucky on 26 April 2014, 11:02:17 PM
Eureka Miniatures Powhatan Indians:
http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_703&sort=3a

(http://eurekamin.com.au/images/100POW03.jpg)
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Galloping Major on 27 April 2014, 12:39:31 PM
Also the Perry's did some for Foundry back in the day, they may still sell them didden away somewhere - I've seen them crop up on eBay too  :)




www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: NurgleHH on 27 April 2014, 08:11:23 PM
Although truthfully, looking at them, they don't seem terribly different from the late C18th woodland indians available from several manufacturers. And they still have mostly muskets... If you want more 'primitive' looking indians, I suspect you may have to look at the Gripping beast 'Skraelings' - although I think that may have been a limited edition set, and not sure it's available any more. (And I don't think the figures were all that great from my brief inspection of them at Salute a year or two back... )
I bought them last year, they are typically Gripping beast. Only Problem: They are "old-Glory-packed" (12 Figures 3-4 Posses = 4 times the same figure).
Maybe you should take a look at Crusader-Miniatures (from Northstar)
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Phil Robinson on 27 April 2014, 09:14:38 PM
Bob Murch is going to make early Hurons & Iraquois

http://pulpfigures.com/huron_iroquois_war/
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Bob Murch on 28 April 2014, 04:34:03 AM
I don't plan on doing figs for 18th century French and Indian Wars. The period of my warriors will be pre-contact to, perhaps, very early contact with Europeans. In other words, the one warrior with a matchlock musket might almost be considered to have a magic weapon. There will be special heroic characters, dark magicians and I'm looking at some of the mythological creatures.

Bob Murch
www.pulpfigures.com

https://www.facebook.com/pulp.figures
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: HerbyF on 28 April 2014, 05:23:49 AM
Because of a very abundant trade with many different Europeans & a preference by the woodland Indians for better fire arms, the indians had access to better fire arms & modernized faster than many of the European settlers. Muskets & flintlocks were more common early on than amung the whites many of whom were still using matchlocks & wheellocks. The natives abandoned their bows fairly quickly for flintlocks whenever they could get them.
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Lowtardog on 28 April 2014, 09:19:06 AM
The Brigade Games 'King Phillip's War' range. Seems tailor made for what you're looking for - 17th Century woodland Indians: http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/King-Philips-War-1675-76_c_36.html

EDIT: Although truthfully, looking at them, they don't seem terribly different from the late C18th woodland indians available from several manufacturers. And they still have mostly muskets... If you want more 'primitive' looking indians, I suspect you may have to look at the Gripping beast 'Skraelings' - although I think that may have been a limited edition set, and not sure it's available any more. (And I don't think the figures were all that great from my brief inspection of them at Salute a year or two back... )

Yes they fit in perfectly, the only difference and it is very slight are the muskets are more akin to calivers/Arqubus however I did use them for FIW
Eureka do have a range of Powahatan indians which are perfect also, mix in as above twith the skraelings and bobs your uncle

Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Smith on 28 April 2014, 11:23:32 AM
This

Bob Murch is going to make early Hurons & Iraquois

http://pulpfigures.com/huron_iroquois_war/


and this

I don't plan on doing figs for 18th century French and Indian Wars. The period of my warriors will be pre-contact to, perhaps, very early contact with Europeans. In other words, the one warrior with a matchlock musket might almost be considered to have a magic weapon. There will be special heroic characters, dark magicians and I'm looking at some of the mythological creatures.

Bob Murch
www.pulpfigures.com

https://www.facebook.com/pulp.figures

make me so happy!

I would definitely get behind some more weirdness (big fan of Totems of the Dead RPG right here), especially the Iroquois Kanontsistóntie’s ('Flying Head').
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Captain Gamma on 28 April 2014, 11:35:39 AM
I don't plan on doing figs for 18th century French and Indian Wars. The period of my warriors will be pre-contact to, perhaps, very early contact with Europeans. In other words, the one warrior with a matchlock musket might almost be considered to have a magic weapon. There will be special heroic characters, dark magicians and I'm looking at some of the mythological creatures.

Bob Murch
www.pulpfigures.com

https://www.facebook.com/pulp.figures

And once again Bob Murch gets an idea into his head and I find myself off to the bookshop and scouring the internet for suitable movies. This new range looks great.

I would love to see mythical creatures and perhaps a couple of Jesuits. 
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: von Lucky on 28 April 2014, 12:14:37 PM
'Black Robe'!
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Bob Murch on 28 April 2014, 06:06:59 PM
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And once again Bob Murch gets an idea into his head and I find myself off to the bookshop and scouring the internet for suitable movies. This new range looks great.


I can't recommend Joseph Boyden's 'The Orenda' enough. The best book I've read in a long time.

As a one time resident of South Western Ontario, I'm fascinated that such an epic conflict took place in my placid little corner of the world. Those arrowheads I collected down along the Grand River have taken on a new significance. The Neutral tribe that made them was exterminated by this war.
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Pijlie on 28 April 2014, 06:24:18 PM
I don't plan on doing figs for 18th century French and Indian Wars. The period of my warriors will be pre-contact to, perhaps, very early contact with Europeans. In other words, the one warrior with a matchlock musket might almost be considered to have a magic weapon. There will be special heroic characters, dark magicians and I'm looking at some of the mythological creatures.

Bob Murch
www.pulpfigures.com

https://www.facebook.com/pulp.figures

That would of course be more or less exactly what I am looking for!! SO I suppose it is down the perilous path called Patience....

And of course a range including supernatural creatures is PERRRRFECT for Witchfinder General!

And you made me buy another book.....
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Captain Gamma on 28 April 2014, 07:16:12 PM
'Black Robe'!

Black Robe: Gotcha. Much obliged



I can't recommend Joseph Boyden's 'The Orenda' enough. The best book I've read in a long time.

I must admit I picked up on your Orenda vibe from Twitter so have already made moves in that direction. ;o)

Is there a distinct look for both the Hurons and the Iroquois? Or are the two tribes very similar in appearance?
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Bob Murch on 28 April 2014, 08:29:27 PM
Those Eureka figs look pretty nice as well. I'll be placing an order for them myself.
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Bob Murch on 28 April 2014, 09:49:18 PM
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Is there a distinct look for both the Hurons and the Iroquois? Or are the two tribes very similar in appearance?

They were both Iroquoian peoples, part of the same language group and had similar cultural practices from what I've gathered. If anyone on the list does know of significant differences in appearance I would be pleased to hear about them. My main impression is that the warriors would cultivate their own distinctive look in order to be recognized and to intimidate.
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: von Lucky on 28 April 2014, 10:08:32 PM
There's a couple of Ospreys that give a good overview of the look and customs of the tribes for this time period.

And thanks pijlie, I missed "mythological creatures" the first time round. Nice.
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Calimero on 29 April 2014, 01:51:46 PM
I don't plan on doing figs for 18th century French and Indian Wars. The period of my warriors will be pre-contact to, perhaps, very early contact with Europeans. In other words, the one warrior with a matchlock musket might almost be considered to have a magic weapon. There will be special heroic characters, dark magicians and I'm looking at some of the mythological creatures.

Bob Murch
www.pulpfigures.com

https://www.facebook.com/pulp.figures

These are fantastic figures. I really like your work and I would like to buy some of these “Indians”… If you were to derogate from your original plan, and sculpt some early european settlers types, I’ll buy some too! :D
Title: Re: Looking for 16th-17th century woodland indians
Post by: Conquistador on 29 April 2014, 04:40:10 PM
I don't plan on doing figs for 18th century French and Indian Wars. The period of my warriors will be pre-contact to, perhaps, very early contact with Europeans. In other words, the one warrior with a matchlock musket might almost be considered to have a magic weapon. There will be special heroic characters, dark magicians and I'm looking at some of the mythological creatures.

Bob Murch
www.pulpfigures.com

https://www.facebook.com/pulp.figures

These are very appealing even though I am trying to move everything possible to 15/6/3 mm sized figures.  Not sure how many I might buy though TBH, just a handful most likely.

Now, if you were to make 15/18 mm SouthWest Indians and Soldados de Cuera/Presidials for the time period of 1600s to the 1790s I would have to budget a lot more to afford them.  Just Saying...  :)

Gracias,

Glenn