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Title: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Prof.Witchheimer on May 18, 2014, 11:42:11 AM
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/lpl/s08/r09/Frank_Go_strong_into_the_Dessert_RD_9.jpg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/lpl/s08/r09/prof_palmyrans_rd9.jpg)
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: OSHIROmodels on May 18, 2014, 11:55:24 AM
Ahh shit, what a choice  o_o o_o o_o

Where are the Camels with the luggage from Frank?

cheers

James
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Plynkes on May 18, 2014, 12:09:03 PM
Frank's wonderful entry puts me in mind of a Victorian "Where's Wally?"  :)


(Still haven't spotted him yet.)
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Steam Flunky on May 18, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
Bloody hell Frank, what an incredible picture! :o
Prof, yours is a great entry too. You dont make it easy for yourself do you?
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: ts on May 18, 2014, 12:13:51 PM
both are amazing.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Knightofspades on May 18, 2014, 12:19:40 PM
How are we supposed to choose? Both are off the wall amazing!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Sterling Moose on May 18, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
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How are we supposed to choose? Both are off the wall amazing!

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Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Leapsnbounds on May 18, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
These entries both were amazing.  What a tough decision.  I kept boing back and forth A coin toss would have been better.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: thebinmann on May 18, 2014, 01:51:39 PM
Simply Stunning, it's an honor to look at those two entries!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Varangian on May 18, 2014, 02:23:58 PM
For a moment, in my not-quite-awake stage, I thought they were multiple shots of the same thing.

I have NO idea how to vote here.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Lowtardog on May 18, 2014, 02:27:51 PM
Jesus wept both are stunning, speechless :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Neldoreth on May 18, 2014, 02:38:36 PM
Both excellent entries, but how can Septima Zenobia be denied?!?

Great stuff gents, I appreciate the excellent work put on show here for us!

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Dentatus on May 18, 2014, 04:01:35 PM
Stunning brushwork and photos, both. Near impossible choice - and fine examples of why I don't enter painting contests. 
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: mrgrigson on May 18, 2014, 04:02:32 PM
Freakin' phenomenal, both of you. Wowed by the first, continued to be amazed with the second. I started thinking "well, this one did this thing... oh, there it is too... shoot." I ran through every easy elimination condition I had and all of the hard ones too. Would that I could put together a scene with a fraction of the skill you've both demonstrated.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Calimero on May 18, 2014, 04:06:34 PM

 :o Tell me you didn't paint all these figures in the past week!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Hu Rhu on May 18, 2014, 05:39:02 PM
They are both such stunning scenes. How to choose? I think that both of these are some of the best painting I have ever seen on the LAF.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Captain Blood on May 18, 2014, 06:06:30 PM
Bloody bleeding hell...  :o :o :o

Frank - you have surpassed yourself. What a scene!  :-*

I am expecting nothing less than a full scale battle of the Somme for round 10 - a match I am fully expecting to lose  8)

Alex, the Palmyrans are gorgeous.
(My wife once played Zenobia in a play of the same name :))

But I really don't think anyone can stand against Frank in this form. He's certainly pulled all the stops out this LPL. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Admiral Benbow on May 18, 2014, 06:35:36 PM
Frank. You're utterly mad.  ;) :o :-*
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: blackstone on May 18, 2014, 06:41:25 PM
Stunning entries!!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: moonshado on May 18, 2014, 07:01:13 PM
Bloody hell, both Frank and The Prof are getting better, which I did not think would be possible. Now I've got to cast a vote, hell I can feel a migraine coming on.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: nedius on May 18, 2014, 07:08:16 PM
Both very very good, and better than others. seems a shame to choose a winner, so one that would win against another entry must loose!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: warburton on May 19, 2014, 12:50:11 AM
Amazing both!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: OLeary on May 19, 2014, 12:54:29 AM
This is like trying to choose between DaVinci and Michelangelo. Two masters at the top of their form.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: mikedemana on May 19, 2014, 04:48:57 AM
This is like trying to choose between DaVinci and Michelangelo. Two masters at the top of their form.

Good comparison! This is one of the most stunning comparisons I've ever seen. Both are simply epic in scale. Amazing job...and yes, it makes you wonder what these masters have planned for Round 10...!

Mike Demana
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Frank on May 19, 2014, 08:28:08 AM
Camels vs. Camels ;-) Brilliant entry Alex! I really don’t know much about the ancient history of Palmyra…shame on me!  Not least, because I have visited the remains of Palmyra some years ago.

The miniatures in my pictures are of course not painted in a single week! But I painted 12 camels and 12 figures within 5 days, which was really hard work. The miniatures are made by Castaway Arts, Perry Miniatures and Redoubt.

And thank you for your kind comments…but do not expected too much for round 10. I am afraid I do not have the time to paint everything I have actually planned.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Michi on May 19, 2014, 09:13:57 AM
Oh my, what shall I vote for. It is nearly impossible to make a fair decision. There is one thing that is shown clearly by the current LPL: There is a niche of top painters which can´t be filled by everyone, but you two certainly squeeze in there...
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Gonvalon on May 19, 2014, 10:19:51 AM
Wow, Frank.
That was one of the ten best miniature pictures I ever saw.
Prof. your picture is still excellent. In paiting aspects you are both first notch.
But I know all to well what a pain it is to built up a picture like that, find the right ankle to fotograph it, get it sharp ...
Since yesterday I watch it again and again. :o
Something I usually not do.
Prof. Thanks for doing this competition. Watching the new entries on sunday is always the highlight at the end of the week!!!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Tufoo on May 19, 2014, 10:23:33 AM
Oh la la !!! What a cruel decision !!! both are simply amazing !

I noticed that a button is missing on the 35th figures on the background ...  lol lol lol

Difficult choice ... Congratulations !
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Driscoles on May 19, 2014, 11:36:51 AM
Ein Wimmelbild
Good luck both.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: valleyboy on May 19, 2014, 11:52:10 AM
Feel sorry for the Prof, what an entry and to be running second
1 question - how do you keep all the figures in focus Frank?
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: thebinmann on May 19, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
1 question - how do you keep all the figures in focus Frank?

Yes! That is almost as amazing as the scene/paint jobs!
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Plynkes on May 19, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
Fancier cameras allow you to adjust the depth of field, and decide how much of the picture you want in focus.

It's called "AV" Mode (Aperture Value) on the one I use. If you set it at its maximum value (absolutely every damn thing in the frame in focus) it takes about a minute to take the picture, so a tripod is indispensable.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Frank on May 19, 2014, 01:44:12 PM
As Plynkes already said…

Usually I use the center measuring field of my autofocus camera to set the focus on the closed miniature or the main object of the photo. Then you have to choose a high aperture…depending on the depth of focus you want to achieve. The best way is to try some different apertures. Finally you have to choose the shutter speed to get the right exposure. For the whole thing you also need a self-timer and tripod. I hope that will help you.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Sangennaru on May 19, 2014, 02:58:38 PM
Frank's entry is awesome, i think it should be named "Find Waldo"
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: Neldoreth on May 19, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
Usually I use the center measuring field of my autofocus camera to set the focus on the closed miniature or the main object of the photo. Then you have to choose a high aperture…depending on the depth of focus you want to achieve. The best way is to try some different apertures. Finally you have to choose the shutter speed to get the right exposure. For the whole thing you also need a self-timer and tripod. I hope that will help you.

And if you can't figure out how to set the camera perfectly, there's always Photoshop or Gimp, which can do pretty much all of the above after the picture's been taken. :)

Thanks
n.
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: mikedemana on May 20, 2014, 03:05:53 AM
Not least, because I have visited the remains of Palmyra some years ago.

I also visited Palmyra...fond memories of that place. I fear for what may have happened to it in the Syrian civil war raging now... :'(

Mike Demana
Title: Re: Round 9 - Go strong into the Desert vs. Palmyrans
Post by: shadowking1957 on May 20, 2014, 10:11:06 AM
unbelieable both so stunning ima amazed