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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Andym on May 23, 2014, 07:02:24 AM
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Hi gents!
Recently my brother and myself bought some figs to start playing some Bolt Action games. We're planning on playing the North Africa campaign. He's got the Afrika Korps and I've got the British 8th Army. I was planning on buying some Bren Gun Carriers but I don't like the Perry ones or the Warlord resin ones. The new plastic Warlord one looks great, but I'm too impatient to wait. I was wondering if anyone has used the Tamiya 1:48 scale carrier with the Perry minis before?
Thanks for any help in advance!
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Many years ago I bought the Black Tree carrier which is 1/48 and it was massive (and completely unusable). It looked stupid next to Black Tree figures so Perry miniatures will be truly dwarfed.
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I'm after a Universal Carrier too, and have been looking around at the different options. I've found a few others, but would be interested to hear more and comments on them.
There's also the one from S&S models, it's 1/60 so should work nicely with the smaller Perry minis:
(http://sandsmodelsshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/uni-carriers-ares.jpg)
http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/universal-carrier/ (http://sandsmodelsshop.com/product/universal-carrier/)
(plus it's a bargain price)
And one from Armt group North:
(http://www.agnminiatures.com/assets/images/MkI%20Bren%20Painted%20BEF.jpg)
http://www.agnminiatures.com/html/great_britain.html (http://www.agnminiatures.com/html/great_britain.html)
(they don't seem to have a EU/Uk supplier, so postage/post office extortion could be a killer)
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Thanks Paul. That's a shame, the Tamiya carriers look like superior models!! More bits to put together but better!
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what don't u like about the warlord ones if you don't mind me asking ? As i picked 4 up off of Grant and I quite like them. Plus they fit perfectly with the perry brits
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what don't u like about the warlord ones if you don't mind me asking ? As i picked 4 up off of Grant and I quite like them. Plus they fit perfectly with the perry brits
That's me! I thought they were excellent. I would have bought more if needed. They are 1:56. The only ones I've seen that are nicer are the Perry ones. My opinion of course.
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Thanks Paul. That's a shame, the Tamiya carriers look like superior models!! More bits to put together but better!
The Tamiya kits are indeed excellent but they will definitely dwarf the smaller Perry plastics, who will look like 6 year olds in them. Unsurprisingly, the Perry resin carriers are the ones which fit the Perry figures best. I bought the three model section pack last month and must say I find them very nice little models - but I'm no tank modeller and I'm not overly fussy about details as long as the vehicle's overall appearance looks OK to me. Others may have higher expectations.
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what don't u like about the warlord ones if you don't mind me asking ? As i picked 4 up off of Grant and I quite like them. Plus they fit perfectly with the perry brits
It's nothing major Slayer. It's just the limitations of casting. The Tammy stuff is is in more bits and not a single piece casting, so it just makes it a better model. The Warlord one is perfect for what it's supposed to be...A gaming piece. I just fancied putting a bit more effort in for mine!
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I am also a huge fan of 1/48 and understand where you are coming from, yes the miniatures look wrong but for me the vehicle is what is important. As you are looking that direction anyway, if you like to add a campaign look, have a look at these:
(http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t48/t48001/1.jpg)
(http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t48/t48001/2.jpg)
(http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t48/t48001/3.jpg)
(http://www.blackdog.cz/products/t48/t48001/4.jpg)
;)
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I've got the Tamiya carrier and the Perry infantry. I'll try and remember to take some photos later.
The bits from the Tamiya sprues are very similar in size to the perry stuff. The Tamiyia figures are very slender.
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Some comparison photos
First just some foot figures for comparison
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ciyg66z_ssc/U4ZLQ2JHdcI/AAAAAAAACvw/q95Eh5PZrnw/s800/IMG_4409.jpg)
Tamiya, Perry, Aritzan, Perry, Tamiya, Artizan
From above the differences are much less apparent.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rtughPREDqw/U4ZLRWJ7rPI/AAAAAAAACv4/PfWy__zpePc/s800/IMG_4410.jpg)
With 1/48 Tamiya Carrier
3/4 view
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4Mo_U5wSVhY/U4ZLSA2g_KI/AAAAAAAACwA/RF-4s5bOAys/s800/IMG_4412.jpg)
side view
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mubN6HEXDO8/U4ZLSx8i_LI/AAAAAAAACwI/7IiKIPGUkHc/s800/IMG_4416.jpg)
front view
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z1Gh_Iq_VCQ/U4ZLTR4g7VI/AAAAAAAACwQ/JQ0WO44_6ow/s800/IMG_4415.jpg)
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Why on Earth did they produce that set of midgets? :-X
I would go with the resin carrier andgo amuck with bits and bops on it. You know you can do it...
1:48 and 25 mm will not be a long lasting marriage, I think.
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1:48 and 25 mm will not be a long lasting marriage, I think.
May I ask what gives you that impression???
More and more of the 28mm mimiatures are HEROIC in scale and frankley plump. I use Artizan mimiatures and I think they are a great match, look above for height and scale.
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May I ask what gives you that impression???
More and more of the 28mm mimiatures are HEROIC in scale and frankley plump. I use Artizan mimiatures and I think they are a great match, look above for height and scale.
Because 25 mm is too small for 1:48. 28 mm is better, but still on the wee side methinks.
People using the new miniscule perry figures with 1:48 are of course free to do so, but I reserve te right to say that I think it looks like the kids of the empire got a day out. ;)
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Those 1:48 Tamiya just look massive. Not even close. They are almost the size of a Sherman in comparison to the real 1:56 kits.
But hey, if it works for you...
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The highest point of the vehicle side should line with the chesticles of a regular soldier standing next to it.
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But hey, if it works for you...
That's the thing isn't it. I might not choose them myself, but they are after all just tokens for the real thing. It becomes relevant that most rules use shortened ranges, ground scales and often both too, so a few model inches bigger or smaller is no big deal in the final result... particularly if your figures are mounted on bases up to 5mm or more thick.
And one from Army group North:
[buttoncounting] That's actually a Carrier, Bren Gun Mk. I and not a Carrier, Universal Mk. I [/buttoncounting] ;)
The highest point of the vehicle side should line with the chesticles of a regular soldier standing next to it.
Yes, thereabouts at least and certainly no higher than the shoulder, unless the figure's nickname is 'Lofty' or something like that. :)
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Because 25 mm is too small for 1:48. 28 mm is better, but still on the wee side methinks.
People using the new miniscule perry figures with 1:48 are of course free to do so, but I reserve te right to say that I think it looks like the kids of the empire got a day out. ;)
I agree with the 25mm scale miniatures ;)
I think the 28mm which get larger in Heroic scale are more suited. It's always down to what people want and like the look of. I go with 1/48 as I enjoy the kit making but that is a result of the resin wargames stuff being of poor quality, mis-moulded and not enough detail for me.
I agree the main issue is suitable miniatures to mix, there is a lack of options for Tank comanders, various crews and riders. I would love to fill my Hanomags with troops. Not a problem in 20mm or 15mm.
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Carabus, Black Tree do a set of seated Germans for filling your transports with!
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http://mainly28s.com/mike_reese/mike_reese_carrier.comparison.html# (http://mainly28s.com/mike_reese/mike_reese_carrier.comparison.html#)
I've found this link which compares several (all?) of the 28mm options: Tamiya, Bolt Action, S&S models, AFAD and Battle Honors.
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Given some of the debate here... gives more prudence and justification for using 20mm 1/72 for wargaming WWII. Here too though is the debate between 1/76 and 1/72 and the 2 do not fit comfortably - likewise to me using 1/48 with 25 and or 28mm seems wrong... Just a thought.
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Hey guys, newbie here but long time lurker, the new plastic? carrier is out for warlord and it says that it can be built as either the mk1 or mk 2, would the mk1 be suitable for 1938? (vbcw) i'm unsure if the designations were established before of after 1940.
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Always had a soft spot for the Bren Gun carrier (never comfortable calling it "universal", but I blame Airfix for that ;D)
Anyways, link to Warlord Games's (http://www.warlordgames.com/new-british-carrier-section-plastic-boxed-set/) announcement