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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Stuart on May 24, 2014, 01:17:05 PM
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I wasn't sure which thread to post this in but figured medieval was the better;
Can anyone shed any light on the possible arms and heraldic standard of Richard de la Pole?
He was known by Henry VIII as the White Rose and was championed at various times by Louis XII, Francis I and Maximilian as a pretender to the throne, he was killed at the battle of Pavia.
My first guess is that the arms may be similar to those of John de la Pole (d. battle of Stoke) but i've no leads on what the (swallow tailed) standard could have been.
My interest in him is as a commander of landsknechts (possibly the black band) in Picardy 1512-14
Guesses, musings, arguments all welcome
Thanks
Stuart
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the internet said it was this
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k145/the-fighting-chef/images_zps87925f66.jpg) (http://s87.photobucket.com/user/the-fighting-chef/media/images_zps87925f66.jpg.html)
Similar to other de la Pole arms.
But you probably knew that already
Cheers
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The arms were probably a lot more complicated than the basic 'de la Pole' ones and were probably quartered with those of his mother, Elizabeth of York (like Richard Duke of York's but labelled for difference), to stress his 'royalty'. His older brother Edmund's arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Sir_Edmund_de_la_Pole,_3rd_Duke_of_Suffolk,_KG.png) would be very similar.
His standard is anyone's guess. I would imagine that as a noble he would have his banner bearing his arms with him, but a standard I'm not so sure. Certainly his personal 'household' attendants might have worn a rose, as generally people were known by their badge... albeit 'White Rose' might just be an everyday reference to his Yorkist antecedents in this case though... if it derives from him himself though, I'd put money on him using it as a badge.
His status is a bit ambiguous and I'm not sure whether he was actually a 'commander' or just along for the ride as a 'gentleman volunteer', if the former he would pretty much be able to choose the standard which his men followed... but what that was, I couldn't say.
Stuart, you've probably read far more on this already than I have, so this is more 'opinion' than based on any sort of research. Seward's 'Last White Rose' is in my 'to read pile' still.
;)