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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Mr.Marx on June 15, 2014, 11:24:09 AM
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Hey all,
Just as the question says. I use a lot of Graveyard Earth and am running out, and I know that Cote d Arms is the old Gw paint range - but are these two paints equivalent?
Ta.
Mr.Marx
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Not sure about Tan Earth - it's not on the big compatibility chart anyway: http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart
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Steel Legion Drab (citadel) should do it
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...but are these two paints equivalent?
No, not at all really. They are quite different.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/163_16_06_14_3_57_54.jpg)
Graveyard Earth on the left, Tan Earth on the right. Not a very good photo, I'm afraid, I took it in a bit of a rush. But it does at least show they aren't the same.
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I use Vallejo 'Flat Earth' a lot. It's one of my favourite stock colours. It doesn't look too far from Graveyard Earth to judge by the swatch provided there by Plynkes.
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I use Vallejo 'Flat Earth' a lot. It's one of my favourite stock colours. It doesn't look too far from Graveyard Earth to judge by the swatch provided there by Plynkes.
The Captain is right, it is almost exactly the same.
I use Flat Earth to undercoat about 95% of all my figures nowadays.
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No, not at all really. They are quite different.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/18/163_16_06_14_3_57_54.jpg)
Graveyard Earth on the left, Tan Earth on the right. Not a very good photo, I'm afraid, I took it in a bit of a rush. But it does at least show they aren't the same.
Thanks a bucket for the photo - they really are rather different. Humbug.
I use Vallejo 'Flat Earth' a lot. It's one of my favourite stock colours. It doesn't look too far from Graveyard Earth to judge by the swatch provided there by Plynkes.
I just ordered some Vallejo 'Earth'....is 'Flat Earth' a different shade or have I ordered the wrong colour from the right company? :?
MM
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FYI, Vallejo's "Flat Earth" is slightly different, being a little redder and a little darker than Graveyard Earth. But it's worth pointing out that both are essentially a mud colour. So unless you're trying to exactly match some previously-painted figures, you'll be okay.
If you ARE trying to match previously painted figures, try adding just a little bit of a sickly sort of yellow (i.e. not too saturated and not too much lighter than the brown), and that might give you an exact match or near enough.
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I bought an 80ml bottle of Siena Natural acrylic craft paint from my local art store and whipped up my own batch. Forgot what colors I added, but it was fairly easy to match.
I'm tired of paying huge prices for cool little bottles with only 20ml of paint inside.
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Well, the problem with craft paint is how much thicker it is for the same ratio of pigment. If you want properly thin coats, you need to use minis paint.
I do use craft paints myself for my terrain and bases though.
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FYI, Vallejo's "Flat Earth" is slightly different, being a little redder and a little darker than Graveyard Earth. But it's worth pointing out that both are essentially a mud colour. So unless you're trying to exactly match some previously-painted figures, you'll be okay.
If you ARE trying to match previously painted figures, try adding just a little bit of a sickly sort of yellow (i.e. not too saturated and not too much lighter than the brown), and that might give you an exact match or near enough.
I've painted my base edges Graveyard. Earth for years. I'm actually working on a new project but thought I'd look to see if there was not a easy match out there to just be uniform, but I'm being rather pedantic.
Well, the problem with craft paint is how much thicker it is for the same ratio of pigment. If you want properly thin coats, you need to use minis paint.
I do use craft paints myself for my terrain and bases though.
Do craft paints work for base rims? In the past I've all ways had trouble with getting good coverage and having brush marks in the surface.
Mm
From my Sony M2.
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I'm tired of paying huge prices for cool little bottles with only 20ml of paint inside.
Yep.
Well, the problem with craft paint is how much thicker it is for the same ratio of pigment. If you want properly thin coats, you need to use minis paint.
Or you can just add water :)
I use a lot of craft paint.
Craft paints do vary a lot though. There are some truly horrible, thinly pigmented, glutinous ones out there. But there are also some highly pigmented good ones, really no different to miniatures paints. Just a great deal cheaper...
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Yep.
Or you can just add water :)
I use a lot of craft paint.
Craft paints do vary a lot though. There are some truly horrible, thinly pigmented, glutinous ones out there. But there are also some highly pigmented good ones, really no different to miniatures paints. Just a great deal cheaper...
Which brands are the good ones?
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I've painted my base edges Graveyard. Earth for years.
Dats the color I use for my bases (for years) and the one I whipped up has done a great job.
If your getting brush marks then you need to cut it a bit more with water.
I live in Spain and the manufacturer is called Titan Acualux. Nice paints.
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The craft paints I've tried have all been too glossy and thinly pigmented. I only use them on terrain projects and would never dream of painting miniatures with them. I know many do, but it's just not worth the hassle for me.
If you operate on a shoe-string budget, have lots of hobby time and/or paint a lot then I can see why searching for cheaper alternatives might be an option.
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Which brands are the good ones?
In the past I've heard Delta Ceramcoat and Plaid's Folkart and Apple Barrel praised, on CMoN no less, but apart from a couple of bottles of Folkart I've had trouble finding them over here. I've heard Anita's described as a junk brand, but that's the one I've used the most and I think it's pretty good. They've got a nice range of more muted colours with generally decent matt coverage. Not much worse than some mini paints and colours. (See Anita's coffee on the right side of this swatch (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=66983.msg822398#msg822398). It didn't need much more brushing-on than the foundations and bases and vallejos etc. beside it.)
The two brands I'd advise you to steer clear of if you see them, are Royal & Langnickel's Essentials and Lefranc & Bourgeois' Multi. (Latter seems to be long gone from their site, anyway) One relentlessly glossy and a bit transparent (when you can't make a decently opaque black...) the other chalky with an immense colour shift.
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I've got a few pots of Graveyard Earth, which I was going to use at the start of a new project, as it doesn't have to match anything I could use another colour, pm me if you are interested.
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I have found the Formula P3 Gun Corps brown is almost a perfect match for graveyard earth.
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I just ordered some Vallejo 'Earth'....is 'Flat Earth' a different shade or have I ordered the wrong colour from the right company? Confused
Vallejo do a colour in their 'model colour' range that is called 'Flat Earth' and a colour called 'Earth' in their 'Game Colour' range.
As the Game Colour range is a direct alternative to the former GW range, I suspect that VGC 'Earth' is possibly closer to Graveyard Earth
than Flat Earth is.
I have both colours, which are 'similar' but no Graveyard Earth to compare them too...sorry I can't be of more help.
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I have found the Formula P3 Gun Corps brown is almost a perfect match for graveyard earth.
I agree; it's a match so close that I don't think you can spot the difference with the naked eye.
Attached is a (poor) comparison of the two.
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Very nice find you two!
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That's pretty good! I'll have to keep it in mind myself.