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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Arthur on July 15, 2014, 09:50:51 PM
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(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1955.jpg)
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1957.jpg)
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1958.jpg)
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1959.jpg)
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http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?man=23&page=1
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Great stuff. Glad I got these ordered, even without the pictures up on the Northstar site. :D
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There are still a couple of packs awaiting pictures on the Artizan website (a character figure of a British officer with a cup of teas and a pack of British infantry at ready) : it's probably a matter of days before they get a photo as well.
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bloody hell! I can't tell which are the best sculpted british colonials I have ever seen, these or Paul Hicks' Zulu range... the two must meet in secrecy. This is the anti-Perry style conspiracy. fine with me
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Absolutely stunning sculpts but more to the point, I know what to buy now (nearly!) :).
:-* :-* :-*
Darrell.
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Officers look just cracking, nabbed them and the one with the tea
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Some of the puttees look a bit off to me. Those kneeling fellas appear to have coils of metal around their ankles, rather than flat strips of cloth. Shame really, because apart from that those are my favourite figures from the release. Their kneeling poses are great.
Other than that, really nice.
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The Sikh look stiff to me.
The other miniatures are nice.
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I guess this is the Mike Owen style one has to like or not. Puttees are difficult. I think Copplestone is the only one who gets them right. What surprizes me a bit is the lack of variation in the leg postures, he should have a few more dollies for that
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Some of the best firing poses I think I've seen from Mike to be honest, they look natural. I can live with the puttees, they'll look fine when they're painted.
Sikhs probably look a bit odd due to the big headwear and bayonets on the end of the rifles. Might be the angle of the figures as well.
Roll on the highlanders. :D
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Some of the best firing poses I think I've seen from Mike to be honest, they look natural. I can live with the puttees, they'll look fine when they're painted.
Sikhs probably look a bit odd due to the big headwear and bayonets on the end of the rifles. Might be the angle of the figures as well.
I'm confident that they will all will look great when painted up.
Roll on the highlanders. :D
Did the Highland regiments involved wear kilts on campaign in this period? Serious question as i don't know the answer o_o ???.
Darrell.
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The British officers are superb and I will be adding to my NWF collection.
The squaddies a bit less so. I like the kneeling figures, but the standing loading figure looks distinctly knock-kneed, and one or two of the Sikh poses do look a bit stiff...
Mike's one of my all-time favourite sculptors. But I've often thought that while his character / officer figures are always top-notch, his rank-and-file figures never quite match up in quality. They sometimes look a bit stiff and staid by comparison... :?
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Did the Highland regiments involved wear kilts on campaign in this period? Serious question as i don't know the answer o_o ???.
It depends. In Afghanistan he 92nd wore kilts, while the 72nd wore tartan trews. In Zululand the 91st wore trews.
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You'll know better than me Plynkes, but, from the illustrations I've seen it looks like the Seaforths didn't appear to wear puttees with the trews. I believe officers were properly attired.. Would this be common?
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I'm not very clued-up on this particular war, I'm afraid. But I think the jury is out on that particular question. One source says loose trews, another puttees of an unknown colour. It could be that both are true at different times.
I do know the officers had tartan puttees that matched the trews, which would be either heaps of fun or an absolute nightmare to paint, depending on how you feel about tartan. ;)
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Tartan puttees?! I think I'll be avoiding the Seaforths let's put it that way.. ;) lol
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I'm not very clued-up on this particular war, I'm afraid. But I think the jury is out on that particular question. One source says loose trews, another puttees of an unknown colour. It could be that both are true at different times.
I do know the officers had tartan puttees that matched the trews, which would be either heaps of fun or an absolute nightmare to paint, depending on how you feel about tartan. ;)
Fun :)
Darrell.
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I like the kneeling figures, but the standing loading figure looks distinctly knock-kneed...
Rickets? ::)
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I really like those British infantry! Will definitely order enough for a unit in T&T!!
I could have done with these a couple of year ago when I painted my cover diorama for Wargames Soldiers and Strategy magazine (I did the Last 11 at Maiwand...here's a pic I took at home prior to sending the diorama to the magazine)
(http://i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/guitarheroandy/058_zps8dac9498.jpg) (http://s943.photobucket.com/user/guitarheroandy/media/058_zps8dac9498.jpg.html)
Don't get me wring, the Empress models I used for this diorama are utterly brilliant, but for accuracy's sake, these Artizan ones would obviously have been even better...
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I remember that issue, a lovely diorama, excellently painted. :D
I wonder if Mike would consider doing a special pack for the last 11?
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Now THAT would be a great idea! :D
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Now THAT would be a great idea! :D
Andy, a bit OT but where did you buy the regimental dog from?
Darrell.
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Believe it or not, Darrell, it's actually the hound from the Warlord Games resin 'Maximus' miniature blister pack!!
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Knowing that various different types of equipment were worn by different regiments, do we know which units these British figure an represent? Presumably the 66th and one or two others?
Also, do we know if they will bring out other versions with say no puttees?
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They do seem to have the correct kit to represent the 66th, but other regiments did have the same, if memory serves me...
Artizan don't usually do loads of variants within ranges, and there are so many other things we could ask for in this range without doing more Brits just with kit differences, e.g. Muslim Sepoys (why does everyone always do Sikhs first?), Gurkhas, Highlanders, cavalry (British and Indian), artillery, plus the Afghan regulars... The list goes on...
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I second the plea for Bengal and Punjab sepoys : manufacturers have the annoying habit of considering that the only Indian regiments worth depicting are the Sikhs and the Gurkhas. Granted, both were deemed to be the elite of the Indian army but they only accounted for a small fraction of it. We need the unglamourous Bombay, Madras and Bengal infantry just as much.
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Believe it or not, Darrell, it's actually the hound from the Warlord Games resin 'Maximus' miniature blister pack!!
Ah, I thought I had read that in the article but was too lazy to hump it out of the humungous pile that my wargames mags have become!
Ta.
Darrell.
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I suppose I'd agree with the rather have other types of Anglo Indian troops than "minor" variations of British kit, although figures without puttees would be good.
If Mike doesn't tend to do lots of variations, it makes me wonder whether he will do just Highlanders in kilts and not those in trews... unless it is a range he personally wants to do and do completely for his own gaming needs...
Tim
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They do seem to have the correct kit to represent the 66th, but other regiments did have the same, if memory serves me...
Artizan don't usually do loads of variants within ranges, and there are so many other things we could ask for in this range without doing more Brits just with kit differences, e.g. Muslim Sepoys (why does everyone always do Sikhs first?), Gurkhas, Highlanders, cavalry (British and Indian), artillery, plus the Afghan regulars... The list goes on...
I think we need a petition!! lol Seriously though, if we all write to Nick you never know!! Seriously!!
Just as a quick aside, one of the things Michael told me that was incorrect British troops in the Sudan freshly in from India was that they would have been carrying with no water bottles as the massive amounts of water needed would have been carried in the baggage in the main. He seems to know what he's talking about when it comes to these matters ;) :)
Darrell.
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Luvely Diorama !
Got that issue of WSS
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More Artizan pics.
British infantry at ready :
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1962.jpg)
British officer doing what British officers do best :
(http://www.northstarfigures.com/images/6/img6426.jpg)
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Love the British officer.
Really first class.
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Now I'm a big fan of Mike Owen's, but I think I can identify what it is that makes me look twice at the infantry. They all hold the rifles very close to the trigger guard, instead of on the fore stock. I wonder if this is something to do with casting limitations, to avoid there being a big gap under the leg arm.
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You might be correct with that observation, it is true for other M.O. ranges too. I can't tell whether the mould bit that makes the gap wears off easily. But I have noticed this "arms with rifle close to the body" posture often, not only with M.O.
maybe some pros could enlighten us?
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Hi guys, just spotted this thread haven't read through it all yet but thought I would answer the hand position on the rifles. Getting miniatures to look right and work in a mould is bit of a juggling act. I have fired a martini Henry, I got my cadet marksman using one so that shows how long ago it was! From what I remember I locked my elbow in to my body so there wasn't a long stretch of the arm. On miniatures it can look as if the figures have a long left arm too. Looking at period photos they all seem to hold the rifle in a similar way too. I hope that makes sense?
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1888? But knowing the British we were probably still handing these out in the 1980's. ;)
I've got these on order Mike, so will have a proper look at them in the metal when they arrive (c'mon Nick ;)). Are you intending to do a pack of NCO's as well as the officers? I always thinks sergeants and corporals get over-looked a bit in the colonial era but its usually them winning the VC's.
Definitely need a large RSM for the Gordon's, kilt and all. :D
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From what I remember I locked my elbow in to my body so there wasn't a long stretch of the arm.
Well raise my rent .... the man's not wrong.
(http://www.artchive.com/web_gallery/reproductions//206501-207000/206534/size1.jpg)
(http://www.phillip-lee.com/wp-content/uploads/First-Afghan-War_m.jpg)
(http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lookandlearn-preview/M/M842/M842483.jpg)
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It was the 80s Ray, pretty sure the Warsaw Pact would have run for the hills faced with my cadet platoon and our hundred year old rifles!
I have quite a bit of stuff on the workbench at the moment. The punjabis should have come out at the same time as the Sikhs but had a moulding problem that delayed them but they're next out. After that I have two types of highlanders, kilt and trousers and some regular British infantry in poshteens. For the Afghans there are some regular infantry in an interesting assortment of headgear.
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I think we were counting on the Russian tanks to break down first Mike. You obviously weren't far enough up the chain to get a .303, that's what my old man was issued with in the Territorials...
Looking forward to the kilted highlanders, somehow nothing says colonial warfare better than a devil in a skirt. I've just picked up a couple of books on the subject one of which is Atwoods 'Roberts in Afghanistan'. A great believer in the superiority of the martial races.
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probably not the right spot to ask about the completion of the MOD range?
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Indeed Ray! I will have to check out that book.
Hi former user the MOD range is still underway just slowly, I have some unfinished artillery crews on my desk and the basic bits of the re worked Tuaregs as I scrapped the ones I was working on.
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oh, I am patient
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I was in the TA in the late 70s, we had SLRs, and GPMGs....... o_o
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Hi former user the MOD range is still underway just slowly, I have some unfinished artillery crews on my desk and the basic bits of the re worked Tuaregs as I scrapped the ones I was working on.
Good news re the French artillery, Mike. Spahis also wouldn't go amiss as there aren't that many of them on the market and the existing models are all way too small to be compatible with your figures.
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Are you planning to add Gurkhas to the range too Mike?
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this mutates into the M.O. wish thread....
that must be tedious....
anway, the colonial artillery (because there is no legion artillery for the MOD period....) should be a very useful completion (but please, if possible not again the umptieth version of the 75mm). But even more useful would be HMG sets.....
Cavalry is of course a big task, but I would like to propose Spahi in both versions, for horse and camel mounts (Meharistes).
And of course, the tirailleurs algeriens are in lack of a command group....
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If it's a M.O. wish thread, then what we really need of course, are a few more of those sea dogs and swashbucklers under the Artizan label... BEST. WARGAMES. FIGURES. EVER.
Come on Mike, you know you want to ;)
Okay, sorry, back on topic now... :D
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BEST. WARGAMES. FIGURES. EVER.
a joy to paint!
why does he not have a twin brother.....
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If it's a M.O. wish thread, then what we really need of course, are a few more of those sea dogs and swashbucklers under the Artizan label... BEST. WARGAMES. FIGURES. EVER.
After the Old West range. ;) :D
Are you planning to add Gurkhas to the range too Mike?
Like I said. ::) Would be useful for Roberts column and the relief of Kandahar.
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anway, the colonial artillery (because there is no legion artillery for the MOD period....) should be a very useful completion (but please, if possible not again the umptieth version of the 75mm).
Separate guns and crews would be nice as they would allow us to mix and match as we please. The 75mm gun has been done to death already, though to my knowledge only Brigade Games produce the mountain canon de 65, which is quite useful for the 1900-1914 colonial campaigns, especially in Morocco.
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Can I ask again now the man himself is here, British infantry not in puttees?
Oh, and for the postman to bring the figures! :)
Tim
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Any chance or mounted troops as well? Maybe amounted and dismounted version of a few officer types and mounted /dismonted infantry...
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British infantry in loose trousers without puttees do appear quite frequently on period photographs and drawings of the second Anglo-Afghan war, so they'd be a nice addition to the range.
And since I've already hijacked my own thread, may I suggest mounted Senegalese for the MOD range ? They add a nice bit of variety to the cavalry, which were mostly Chasseurs d'Afrique and Algerian spahis during the pre-1914 campaigns.
(http://p4.storage.canalblog.com/42/86/511371/78655553_o.jpg)
These came in two flavours : the regular Senegalese spahis with their distinctive red uniform...
(http://blade.japet.com/spahis-sene.gif)
(http://www.spahis.fr/public/E._Lajoux__Les_Africains/SpahisLajoux3CR.jpg)
... and what appears to have been ad hoc detachements of tirailleurs who effectively became mounted infantry :
(http://p0.storage.canalblog.com/02/71/511371/78652648_o.jpeg)
Let's not forget Moroccan cavalry for the other side : there was an awful lot of it at Sidi Bou Othman ;
(http://dafina.net/forums/file.php?52,file=31301,filename=mehella_20revient_20front.jpg)
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following the France Colonial wish list may suggest Compagnies Sahariennes / Méharistes..plenty of utlisations above all those Tuaregs that , contrary to popular beleif, never saw during their existence a Légionaire..the true ennemies where Méharistes...
http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/f/o/r/fort-saganne-1984-02-g.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--8UNq-6U50g/TndvzvIKb3I/AAAAAAAAAZU/snz6hMMCEwk/s1600/le+fort+-+copie.jpg
http://auto.img.v4.skyrock.net/1902/80371902/pics/3113769667_1_9_jFDYGkPL.jpg
https://www.google.it/search?q=M%C3%A9haristes&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-EnRU-DYFqb-ygPT34CgCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=607#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=8C49c5k3BhJTeM%253A%3B_O6Gdat5QjGS0M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.onesixth.co.uk%252Fvb4forum%252Fimages%252Fimported%252F2013%252F01%252F266.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.onesixth.co.uk%252Fvb4forum%252Fshowthread.php%253F3958-Compagnies-Sahariennes-quot-M%2525E9hariste-quot-French-Camel-cavalary-WWII%3B548%3B1023
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By (our own if you're on the SDF) Onaria......
This is in 28mm!!!!!!!
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Wow!!! That is a fantastic set of miniatures.
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Wow!!! That is a fantastic set of miniatures.
Astonishing work is it not?
One of the best from Onaria IMHO.
Darrell.
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Excellent work,captures the drama of the "final eleven's" last stand perfectly.
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Great painting.
So well done. :-*
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Absolutely stunning work! :-* :o
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So, do we know when the next lot of Artizan figures will appear and what they will be?
Tim
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So, do we know when the next lot of Artizan figures will appear and what they will be?
Tim
Mike Owen's words from six weeks ago :
I have quite a bit of stuff on the workbench at the moment. The punjabis should have come out at the same time as the Sikhs but had a moulding problem that delayed them but they're next out. After that I have two types of highlanders, kilt and trousers and some regular British infantry in poshteens. For the Afghans there are some regular infantry in an interesting assortment of headgear.
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So, 'soon-ish' ok, ta. I can live with that. :D
best start saving... :)
Ta!
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That's great news, another dent in the wallet I fear.
Any chance of some 1880's Gurkhas? There seems to be a distinct lack of good ones available in 28mm unless I've overlooked some?
Simon
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Simon, Newline Design/Pontoonier Miniatures do 28mm 1880s Gurkhas.
http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=490_493 (http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=490_493)
Their website is a pain as packs appear and disappear but they are nice Paul Hicks figures.
Andrew
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Simon, Newline Design/Pontoonier Miniatures do 28mm 1880s Gurkhas.
http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=490_493 (http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=490_493)
Their website is a pain as packs appear and disappear but they are nice Paul Hicks figures.
Andrew
Although a bit smaller (more 25mm) ere the Foundry Gurkhas for the NWF not suitable for the Second Afghan War??? Some lovely poses too 8).
Darrell.
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I think the main issue with the Foundry ones is that they're armed with Martinis; in 2nd Afghan War they should (I think) have Sniders. But, as always, largely depends on how picky you are over such things :)
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I think the main issue with the Foundry ones is that they're armed with Martinis; in 2nd Afghan War they should (I think) have Sniders. But, as always, largely depends on how picky you are over such things :)
Very good point.
How tricky do you think they would be to convert the rifles?
Darrell.
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One thing I never worried about, was the look of Snider to Martini, for the Foundry Gurkhas. Too small to quibble about when looking at 25/28mm figures -- IMHO. :)
For example, I have a number of the old RAFM Space 1889 'Soldiers of the Queen' British figures, and they are in the 1879 kit - but - armed with Lee-Metford fifles! I always wondered why, and when I had asked Frank Chadwick about that, he said "I liked the look of red coats on Mars for the 1889 period", so that means earlier kit, latter rifled. So, I just painted them up for my 1879 period and ignore the fact that if you really looked close, you can tell the rifle is not a Martini-Henry (again, too small to quibble about IMHO).
But, for those that wants things spot-on, I totally understand. Go to I say!
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Visually the main difference is that the Martini has the large metal "block" around the breach area whereas the Snider has a more traditional wooden finish and an external hammer for its percussion lock. I'd just paint the breech to look like wood but you could always make little gamers from green stuff if you want. BUT I'd ask if anyone is ever going to get close enough to examine the breeches?
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Here's a side by side view of Martini and Snider. If you want to use the other one shown I think you could get plastic ones from Warlord ;)(https://nonsmokinggun.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/bsa-11.jpg)
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Having just bought the Osprey (North-West Frontier 1837-1947) I notice that the Artizan figures' helmets seem to be modelled on an illustration of an 1897 uniform, complete with distinctive red flash on the left hand side of the helmet which is sculpted on the figures. Are these correct for 1879? They look different from, say, the covered helmets of the Perry Sudan figures of Indian army troops.
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Three new packs of British infantry have been added to the Artizan website, including highlanders in trousers. No pics yet but it shouldn't be too long before the North Star gang posts them.
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Kilts?! Where are the kilts man?
I'll have to wait for the alternative highlanders. The bare headed British are very welcome though.
I hope Mike will do a pack of NCO's.
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Can't wait to see the pictures!
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@Legatus:
You're right to notice the helmet flash, which was in no way a "standard" uniform item during the Second Afghan War. However, I have a copy of a period photo dated May 22nd, 1879 showing a group of British officers of the 28th Punjab Native Infantry in which two of them wear such flashes on the sides of their helmets, so they were in use with at least one unit, albeit a Punjabi one. Having done a decent amount of research into the uniforms and equipment of the 66th at Maiwand, I would say I doubt its use is accurate for an officer of that regiment, but I would not feel comfortable saying it was not possible.
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Don't be too caught up in the accuracy of the painting! I try to keep fairly accurate as best I can, but basically I just copy the pictures I find in my Osprey books and take the odd artistic licence. That officer just happened to have a 66th badge because I wanted a bit of detail on there and put in the number of a handy regt.
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Cubs, I'd be very happy indeed to add him to my own version of the 66th Regt! He's quite beautiful indeed.
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Pics up on Northstars site for the latest three packs. :D
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Yup :
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1969.jpg)
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1968.jpg)
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1967.jpg)
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Thanks for the pics Arthur. :D
Is it just me or should the strap on the highlanders helmet (furthest left) be attached at both ends? ::)
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Is it just me or should the strap on the highlanders helmet (furthest left) be attached at both ends? ::)
It is attached, they could be clipped up out of the way on the side of the helmet. You see it more on pics of home service troops but it worked the same way.
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With a helmet cover on?
It just looks a bit odd up there when all the other figures are sculpted with the strap over the peak..
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not that I would know anything about english uniforms
(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjMxNjc1MjAyM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzY3MDYyMjE@._V1_SY317_CR104,0,214,317_AL_.jpg)
wasn't it a way to get the scaly chinstrap out of the way when not needed?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lnfO53EjkDs/T-ZIeiRd9cI/AAAAAAAAAPE/QzchIWf-Ib8/s1600/British+officers+of+the+Guides.+Lieutenant+Walter+Hamilton+VC+with+his+Indian+troopers+who+defended+the+residency+at+Kabul+stands+on+the+right.jpg)
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With a helmet cover on?
Pass........
Edit: Apparently so according to that pic former user posted :)
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I'd argue that none of those cavalry troopers have covers over the helmet and the strap appears to be tucked into the pugree.
It's not a big thing to fix on the highlander it just looks a bit odd. :?
The bareheaded soldiers look superb though, will definitely be mixing those in with the British I already have.
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I don't know if the sculpts are meant to have helmet covers on, so much as they're left kind of blank to allow to paint them as covers on or off.
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These British don't seem to have the helmet flash on the left. I think I'm going to file mine off on the initial releases.
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Kilted highlanders now added to the range :
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1978.jpg)
(https://scontent-b-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/10624688_937462752949294_5379968671726492518_n.jpg?oh=215e42c5ea9c0e89fa82a0f35eddcc12&oe=551E8754)
http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?cat=159&sub=151&page=1 (http://www.artizandesigns.com/list.php?cat=159&sub=151&page=1)
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Already ordered. Just waiting for the little blighters to fall through my letterbox. :D
Hoping for officers and angry NCO's. Highlanders charging as well would be nice.
Usable for the Transvaal war as well I think..
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Oooh I was only thinking about when will we see the kilted chaps earlier. Hoping for Gurkhas soon as well and maybe a mountain gun. ???
Then I'll jump in with both feet. ;D
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This is for sure on my to do list! 8)
Christopher
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'Devils in skirts' arrived yesterday along with the bareheaded pack. :D Lovely sculpts.
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I am quite pleased to see Artizan expanding their range. Wonderful work.
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British infantry in poshteen now added to the Artizan website :
(http://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1979.jpg)
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Oooh those are shiny ;D
But where are the Ghurkas ???
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Yes, like those.
'Need' extra highlander in kilt poses though. And some guides infantry.
I thought the Gurkhas were next with some Indian troops. ???
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A few months ago, Mike Owen said he had just completed some non-Sikh Indian infantry which were originally supposed to be part of the range's original release. Looks like they have been pushed to the back of the release queue.
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Hi there, rattling through the highlanders at the moment so there should be a few new packs out over the coming weeks. I had a mould problem with the Punjabi infantry so had to start on them again but they will be along soon. Gurkhas will be in the new year along with the cavalry. Nearly done on my workbench are Indian and British mountain guns they just need swords and a few bags, Guide infantry more highlanders.
Regards.
Mike
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Excellent news Mike, thanks for confirming whats coming ;D
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I was also wondering what sort of command packs people would be looking at for the Indians? I don't think they had standard bearers but I am not 100% sure one of those things I read but couldn't find again, but then again there is a bit of artistic licence with war games units so would they be worth including?
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From the reading I've done I haven't come across any Indian standards for the 2nd Afghan war. Although that doesn't necessarily mean they weren't used. Personally I don't think I'll use them, officers and Nco's will be very useful though.
I assume you'll be adding standard bearers for the British infantry Mike so that we can play out those desperate last stands. ;)
A couple of packs of characterful Nco's would make my day too. :D
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this is already a period where command staff can be represented by communication personnel, like messengers, signallers etc. I can imagine heliographers.
What does the military history book say about that?
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I was also wondering what sort of command packs people would be looking at for the Indians? I don't think they had standard bearers but I am not 100% sure one of those things I read but couldn't find again, but then again there is a bit of artistic licence with war games units so would they be worth including?
Well, I know that the British 66th Foot lost their standard at Maiwand, but I don't know about other regiments, Britsih or Indian. Wold there be any scope for a 'standard bearer' pack containing one each of a British, Highlander, Sikh and Punjabi (for example)? This would offer some scope to those who want such things. Personally, I don't as my gaming is more 'large skirmish' scale, but those doing big battle scenarios may want the option...
Glad to hear about the the plans for the rest of the range, btw... :)
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Speaking about Commands...i also support the idea of Eliograph team..except Britannia Highlander's ET there is 'nt around any NWF Eliograph guys with their equipment..i think is one of the most characteristic icone of British Soldiers on those lands...
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Hi there, rattling through the highlanders at the moment so there should be a few new packs out over the coming weeks. I had a mould problem with the Punjabi infantry so had to start on them again but they will be along soon. Gurkhas will be in the new year along with the cavalry. Nearly done on my workbench are Indian and British mountain guns they just need swords and a few bags, Guide infantry more highlanders.
Regards.
Mike
Will you be doing dismounts for the British cavalry? The 10th had a very advanced dismounted carbine drill from around 1880, and dismounts would be very useful for skirmish games, patrols and the like.
Also, any chance of the 13th Hussars in Atillas and spiked helmets or busbys? Baden Powell's memoirs describe that as their service dress.
Finally, will we get drummers and buglers and NCOs? The officers are excellent (I'm painting one now), but the rest of the command element is needed.
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I second the call for NCOs/ bugler et al.
And yes, the officers do look fantastic..mine have been despatched and are on their way to meet my brushes 8)
Cheers
SP
Edit: how about including a regimental dog in the NCOs/ command pack??
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Yes or a regimental ram?? That would be cool!
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Yep,a pack of nco's would be a good addition to the range.
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Meanwhile, a second pack of kilted highlanders is now available for purchase. No pic on the Artizan website yet but I suspect one should be up before long.
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Oo, off for a look. :D
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IMHO what is needed is NCO's for the various regiments. Artillery crew as well.
I remember Mike telling me that the Afghan Regulars were on his sculpting table but I suppose he's a busy man and has other sculpts to complete too.
Darrell.
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Will the Artizan figures march alongside Perry's without a problem, I'm fancying that Officer set to take charge of a shower of Perry Infantrymen!
lol
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Will the Artizan figures march alongside Perry's without a problem, I'm fancying that Officer set to take charge of a shower of Perry Infantrymen!
lol
The Perry's will seem slight by comparison next to one another.
Darrell.
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The Perry's will seem slight by comparison next to one another.
Darrell.
Depends on the figures but on average the Perry stuff is slighter yeah.
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In addition to the 66th Berkshires, some sources also mention the 1st Bombay Grenadiers losing their Regimental Standards at the battle of Maiwand.
On the other hand, though there are photos and illustrations showing various Indian infantry units with their regimental standards before and after the Second Afghan War, I don't think I've ever seen one from the war itself. Of course I'm no authority, and such photos or illustrations may well exist (and hopefully might be posted in this thread!) but if they don't, it doesn't mean Indian Infantry Regiments never carried their standards with them during the Second Afghan War.
Speaking for myself, I will continue to field regimental standards with my Second Afghan War Indian infantry units, since there's no absolute proof (at least that I know of) that they weren't and... they just look good.
MIKE OWEN: I humbly ask you to PLEASE INCLUDE STANDARD-BEARERS IN YOUR ARTIZAN SIKH & PUNJABI COMMAND PACKS, so I don't have to convert them the way I did with my Perry Sudan Sikh and Bengal/Bombay Infantry Command Packs!
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MIKE OWEN: I humbly ask you to PLEASE INCLUDE STANDARD-BEARERS IN YOUR ARTIZAN SIKH & PUNJABI COMMAND PACKS, so I don't have to convert them the way I did with my Perry Sudan Sikh and Bengal/Bombay Infantry Command Packs!
I'll forward this to Mike. I've been chatting to him a little about the NWF range.
Darrell.
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Speaking about Commands...i also support the idea of Eliograph team..except Britannia Highlander's ET there is 'nt around any NWF Eliograph guys with their equipment..i think is one of the most characteristic icone of British Soldiers on those lands...
I quite agree with this one too..... let's hope Mike is listening and can do it.
Darrell.
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More packs on Northstars site including the start of the guides (hurrah! :)) and some artillery.
No pictures yet though. :(
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More packs on Northstars site including the start of the guides (hurrah! :)) and some artillery.
No pictures yet though. :(
Yeah, I've seen. I actually check every day.... sad human being that I am lol.
The mountain gin's look good- I ordered a 7pdr Screw Gun from NS to use as a conversion for the Royal Artillery Camel Train and it's a lovely resin casting 8).
I do wish they'd put up the pics so one can tell what one is buying more quickly..... :'( i guess that they're all quite busy chappies.
Darrell.
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True. :D
I've commented on Facebook to find out if the Highlanders 'at the ready' and 'marching at trail' are in kilts or not.
Pleased to see the start of the guides infantry though. :D
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True. :D
I've commented on Facebook to find out if the Highlanders 'at the ready' and 'marching at trail' are in kilts or not.
Nice one 8). Also, there may have been some variation in the sporran depending on which Highland regiments were at a particular place at a particular time.
Pleased to see the start of the guides infantry though. :D
Deffo.... we need NCO's for all the regiments though!! That's going to be a lot of NCO packs! I really hope that they do them as it's the one thing that's holding me back from spending a lot of cash.
Darrell.
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.... we need NCO's for all the regiments though!! That's going to be a lot of NCO packs! I really hope that they do them as it's the one thing that's holding me back from spending a lot of cash.
Indeed. I'd mentioned it in the ranges infancy to Mike so I'm hoping there might be a couple of packs in development. The Officer pack is good (although we 'need' highland officers in kilts) but its the NCO's who hold the line steady for the empire. ;)
I've just heard back that the two packs I've mentioned are in kilts (Christ, it sounds like I'm obsessed with kilts!! ;D). Not sure about the sporrans though. I thought there were only the two highland regiments in the 2nd war? The 72nd Seaforths wearing trews and the Gordon's in kilts. I expect to be proved completely wrong now...
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Indeed. I'd mentioned it in the ranges infancy to Mike so I'm hoping there might be a couple of packs in development. The Officer pack is good (although we 'need' highland officers in kilts) but its the NCO's who hold the line steady for the empire. ;)
Quite :)
I've just heard back that the two packs I've mentioned are in kilts (Christ, it sounds like I'm obsessed with kilts!! ;D). Not sure about the sporrans though. I thought there were only the two highland regiments in the 2nd war? The 72nd Seaforths wearing trews and the Gordon's in kilts. I expect to be proved completely wrong now...
Well, if there were only the Seaforth's and the Gordons it should be Ok to my knowledge which is not extensive. It was the Black Watch that had a different sporran.
Darrell.
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Yep, with my new and extensive knowledge of the period, I can give a more than authoritative cogitation. The Black Watch's sporran has got four of them small black dangly 'fings on it, instead of two big black dangly bits... if any more expert advice's needed you only have to consult the oracle.
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Yep, with my new and extensive knowledge of the period, I can give a more than authoritative cogitation. The Black Watch's sporran has got four of them small black dangly 'fings on it, instead of two big black dangly bits... if any more expert advice's needed you only have to consult the oracle.
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Dangly 'fings lol lol lol
Sorry, couldn't help it :D
Darrell.
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Beautiful work. Richard
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The Officer pack is good (although we 'need' highland officers in kilts) but its the NCO's who hold the line steady for the empire. ;)
I'm not privy to Mike Owen's intentions but a Highland command pack in kilts sounds like something we can reasonably expect - say for instance a four figure pack containing two officers and two NCO's, or one NCO and a piper.
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I'm not privy to Mike Owen's intentions but a Highland command pack in kilts sounds like something we can reasonably expect - say for instance a four figure pack containing two officers and two NCO's, or one NCO and a piper.
I should think that it may well be on the cards, makes sense doesn't it?.... I just hope that it happens sooner rather than later- easier to build up u its with confidence that you won't be left with an incomplete regiment on the old painting desk.
Darrell.
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72nd and 92nd were indeed the only two Highland regiments to take part in the second Afghan War -- unless we include the Amir's Highland Guard!
I myself am waiting impatiently for Artizan to release a Highland Command pack so I can order a full battalion's worth of kilted Highlanders to serve as the 92nd.
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I myself am waiting impatiently for Artizan to release a Highland Command pack so I can order a full battalion's worth of kilted Highlanders to serve as the 92nd.
I recently e-mailed Mike on the subject of NCO's etc (after a short correspondence) a while back but I haven't heard anything back as of yet. If I can talk when i hear, i'll be sure to let you know.
Darrell.
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Thanks, Darrell!