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Title: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: dampfpanzerwagon on 26 October 2014, 09:16:37 AM
When Peter Capaldi was introduced as the 12th Doctor I was looking forward to a great new series. However I have watched each of the new episodes and have come away a little disappointed - actually very disappointed. The reason for this lack-lustre response was once again evident with the latest episode Forest of Night from last night.

I quite like Capaldi's rather older portrait and his confused state has its merits. Clara is a good side kick and even Mr Pink has his moments. The special effects are some of the very best I have ever seen on a TV production, so where is the series lacking?

Without doubt I believe that the problem with the latest series is the writing - I have yet to watch an episode that does not have a simple and well written story line. The writers have really tried to over complicated things to the point where (as a DR Who fan) I am seriously contemplating not watching the rest of the series.

I know that the whole series (at least this series) has already been written, filmed and edited, so I am not expecting much, but for Gawds sake, can we please have a decent story line and less skreaching and screaming!

Tony
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Onebigriver on 26 October 2014, 10:51:20 AM
When Peter Capaldi was introduced as the 12th Doctor I was looking forward to a great new series. However I have watched each of the new episodes and have come away a little disappointed - actually very disappointed. The reason for this lack-lustre response was once again evident with the latest episode Forest of Night from last night.

I quite like Capaldi's rather older portrait and his confused state has its merits. Clara is a good side kick and even Mr Pink has his moments. The special effects are some of the very best I have ever seen on a TV production, so where is the series lacking?

Without doubt I believe that the problem with the latest series is the writing - I have yet to watch an episode that does not have a simple and well written story line. The writers have really tried to over complicated things to the point where (as a DR Who fan) I am seriously contemplating not watching the rest of the series.

I know that the whole series (at least this series) has already been written, filmed and edited, so I am not expecting much, but for Gawds sake, can we please have a decent story line and less skreaching and screaming!

Tony

Can't help but agree with you. The 11th Doc had some stinkers but I found it hard to switch on the following Saturday after the Moon turned out to be an an egg that hatched a creature that immediately laid an identical egg.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Commander Roj on 26 October 2014, 04:14:34 PM
Can't help but agree with you. The 11th Doc had some stinkers but I found it hard to switch on the following Saturday after the Moon turned out to be an an egg that hatched a creature that immediately laid an identical egg.

Post David Tennant, I think fandom has blinded you until now. Stopped watching quite a while ago.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Elk101 on 26 October 2014, 04:30:25 PM
I like Capildi in the role, but the show does seem to have gone up its own ass a touch.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: jp1885 on 26 October 2014, 06:41:14 PM
Yep, I concur. Capaldi is great as the Doctor, but the quality of scripts have been variable this series.  After a disappointing start I enjoyed the last few episodes, but last night's effort was a bit 'meh'.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: timlillig on 26 October 2014, 06:44:36 PM
This season is slightly over the half good/half bad line.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Hat Guy on 26 October 2014, 11:38:47 PM
Doctor Who ended for me with 2003's "Scream of the Shalka".

"New Doctor Who" is what I call an episode of the classic show, a novel or audio play featuring a classic Doctor that I am yet to see.

The final nail in the coffin for me was Day of the Doctor. No classic Doctors but for some reason, John Hurt? Piss off.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: The Dozing Dragon on 27 October 2014, 05:37:42 AM
I almost gave up but after the 3rd episode started enjoying it again. My 10 year old loves it and it is a traidtional 'dad and family' watch so will never truly go out of fashion in our house. Storylines are rather pooh though  :D
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Ahistorian on 27 October 2014, 09:24:29 AM
At the end of the day, it's a children's TV show. But however bad it might be, Capaldi is always worth watching over breakfast on the Sunday morning iPlayer.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: albert hall on 27 October 2014, 10:11:23 AM
If it is a children's show, why is it on at 8.30pm?
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Onebigriver on 27 October 2014, 11:39:58 AM
Post David Tennant, I think fandom has blinded you until now. Stopped watching quite a while ago.

Come off it, if you didn't watch many of the Matt Smith stories how can you dismiss them all?

And it's a family show, not just a kids' show, albeit shown at a ridiculous time.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Commander Roj on 27 October 2014, 12:10:05 PM
Come off it, if you didn't watch many of the Matt Smith stories how can you dismiss them all?

And it's a family show, not just a kids' show, albeit shown at a ridiculous time.

I watched enough, sporadically to make an informed judgement about how the series was going. That is all anyone can do if they are going to make a decision not to watch somthing. It could always be "pure gold" in the next episode. I'm not persuaded that it was though. Very much style over substance in my opinion.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Ahistorian on 27 October 2014, 12:19:09 PM
If it is a children's show, why is it on at 8.30pm?

Because the watershed is at 9pm and it has a lot of adult fans? Not having had live TV for six years, I didn't realise it was on that late.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: westwaller on 27 October 2014, 01:27:44 PM
I watch it, and probably will continue to do so but I agree that this series has been a bit 'meh' I have yet to see Calpaldis much
celebrated acting talents on display, to me it feels like he is not bothering much at times...

There have been two good and a bit scary, stories IMO. The one with the thing in the corner of the room, and the one with the shrinking Tardis things living in the walls.

However I would rather risk watching things that might be a bit meh at times, but have interesting ideas etc, such as Who, Agents of Shield, and Gotham rather than watch Great British Sew/Dig/Bake/Talent/Song type shows which are the alternative!
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Commander Roj on 27 October 2014, 07:36:11 PM
I watch it, and probably will continue to do so but I agree that this series has been a bit 'meh' I have yet to see Calpaldis much
celebrated acting talents on display, to me it feels like he is not bothering much at times...

There have been two good and a bit scary, stories IMO. The one with the thing in the corner of the room, and the one with the shrinking Tardis things living in the walls.

However I would rather risk watching things that might be a bit meh at times, but have interesting ideas etc, such as Who, Agents of Shield, and Gotham rather than watch Great British Sew/Dig/Bake/Talent/Song type shows which are the alternative!

I can wholeheartedly endorse that sentiment.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: blackstone on 27 October 2014, 11:24:52 PM
I'm finding capaldi to be pretty charmless. And other than her rather cute nose i don't see much point to the assistant other than the dreary "how to fit in a romance while helping save the world" sub plot. maybe the old 20 minute episodes with a cliffhanger ending  focused the writers more.

I could be wrong here but it seems to me in the old episodes the audiences knew what was happening and the doctor didn't. we were rooting for the doctor to solve the mystery. too often i find the with the modern stories im wondering what the hell is going on until 5 minutes before the end when the doctor has his eureka moment of enlightenment. bores the pants of me tbh .
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Ahistorian on 28 October 2014, 09:23:37 AM
I find this to be true of a lot of modern mystery shows. There's less reliance on the old rules of dramatic irony or classic whodunnits and more on the "Look what deus ex machina I just pulled out of my hidden pocket! Gee whizz, aren't things tied up nicely!?"

It becomes painfully apparent if you have a couple hundred hours of police procedurals on in the background while writing. Jeepers.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: Onebigriver on 28 October 2014, 03:47:52 PM
I watched enough, sporadically to make an informed judgement about how the series was going. That is all anyone can do if they are going to make a decision not to watch somthing. It could always be "pure gold" in the next episode. I'm not persuaded that it was though. Very much style over substance in my opinion.

So it seems I'm blind, but you didn't see  :D

I am a Who fan so yes, I'll be sticking it out. The season finale looks promising and one can only hope next season is better.
Title: Re: Dr Who - The 12th Doctor
Post by: The_Beast on 28 October 2014, 05:57:34 PM
I enjoyed most of the Matt Smith, though there were a few points it was a near run thing.

I even picked up the final season on DVD to see before it finally made it to Netflix. No rush now.

Doug