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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Rhelyk on 28 October 2014, 02:57:43 AM
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My group has been planning on getting some Federation Commander in again. FedCom tends to come out onto our table every couple of years for a month or two then to go right back in until we get the itch again. I play Federation, everyone else likes to play Klingon or Romulans or Kzinti, and that's just fine by me, but while the Zocchi plastics are pretty great, they're kind of large to play with. The new resins that Mongoose did? Blech, well detailed but ridiculously large for a hex based game. And really too large for their own game, I had the same issue with their Babylon 5 ships and went with the old Agents of Gaming fleet scale for B5. A friend got some pretty great Trek ships on Shapeways that were about half the size, perfect for hex battling. I MAY have gotten the wrong size ships...
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p512/Rhelyk/Starships/DSCN7286_zpsc970a903.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7286_zpsc970a903.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p512/Rhelyk/Starships/DSCN7285_zpsbc1f5493.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7285_zpsbc1f5493.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p512/Rhelyk/Starships/DSCN7283_zps9e5b4188.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7283_zps9e5b4188.jpg.html)
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p512/Rhelyk/Starships/DSCN7282_zpsbae31dda.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7282_zpsbae31dda.jpg.html)
On the plus side I got a largish federation AND klingon fleet for $34 USD shipped, and they'll certainly fit in any hexes I put them in!
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The desire I have to own such tiny ships is ludicrous.
Do they have a very wide range of these star trek ships available?
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Most of the major FedCom/SFB races, including refit versions of the Federation. Probably going to order some more so I have romulans too, and also because the Fast Attack set doesn't come with Battlecruisers or Dreadnoughts
http://www.shapeways.com/shops/javelin98?section=MicroFleets&s=0 (http://www.shapeways.com/shops/javelin98?section=MicroFleets&s=0)
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Got 4 of them painted up as a test, would have done more but I forgot to clean my airbrush thoroughly and spent most of the night on that. Pretty darn pleased with how they came out, THEY"RE SO TINY! Gonna magnetize the rest before I paint em, did one as a test with some small rare earth magnets I've had and it was MUCH easier to hold and paint
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p512/Rhelyk/Starships/DSCN7287_zps6509e63c.jpg) (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7287_zps6509e63c.jpg.html)
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It's like little tiny spaceship babies!
fwiw, Secret Weapon miniatures has a two-minute tutorial on weathering pigments ($5 at Miniature Market) for your spaceships. Send me a PM if you can't find it!
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I love the Microfleets. I was going to go with them for FC but ended up scratchbuilding my own 1/7000 scale instead.
They painted up great and look fantastic.
And no worries about them fitting in the hexes :D
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Those are cute.
Though you should probably put numbers on the bases as well. At least I've found that stuff like that without identifying tags causes lots of hassle in a game. Even if I can tell them apart, none of my friends can.
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Those are great I'll be getting some soosn for sure. Would probably rebase them so they'd be on a square base with all the info that's on the chit. I wonder if they could be printed without the integral stands and whether that would make them cheaper? Btw do these fit on the small hex side?
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I'm not really into Star trek ships but I might just start CAD drawing some small ships like this for Colonial battle-fleet and save a lot of money and time on them. :D Or I will when I get back from Finland. (Sangennaru will probably read this and beat me to it)
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I saw this fellow's stuff on TMP and was mightily impressed. Not just ST; plenty of other 'verses. Check out the 'aeronefs' and not-GW dropships.
Impressively, he seems willing to group them on request. I'm even thinking of which would do well for a chess set... lol
Doug
Edit: From TMP: 'Yeah, they're more like "1/Lots". I designed them for use with the 1/2" paper hex maps, so the bases are 1/2" across and the ships themselves are scaled mostly to be consistent with their classes.'
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This is very interesting. Recently, when I had some hobby money available (money I spent in shadowrun minis), I was interested by startrek games (I even posted about it on LAF). But with the lack of cheap options for starships, I forgot it.
Now I know there is a good option. But no money left. :D
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Oh, they really are diddy lol
Cracking paint work though :)
Maybe you could game it in with the ranges in actual scale lol
cheers
James
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I'm a poor gamer that loves Star Trek, so these have some great appeal, for me! I would love to do some large-scale fleet engagements, which just isn't feasible with the rules I currently use (price/mini or scope of the rules), but if I can find a good rule set for larger fleets that these will work with, by Jove I'm going to try it out!
Love that he does TNG Federation ships, since that's my preferred era. Too bad pickins are slim for enemies :/
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Concerning startrek,I believe that one of the best options is Federation COmmander. Reading reviews of it really give this startrek feeling, where power location is very important.
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Thanks for the recommendation! I've heard only good things about Federation Commander, and also A Call to Arms: Starfleet. Not 100% certain I want to game the "Starfleet Universe," though. I'm a trekkie due to the shows, but have never really gotten my hands dirty with the gaming side of things. I'm guess all there is for me to do is to go look into it!
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I originally wanted them about twice that size, but now that I have them I'm quite pleased with the size! Originally I thought they were a bit simplistic in design, but with how "large" they are it actually works out just fine. I only wish the back ends of the nacelles were shaped a bit better and the dark grey tubes/fins that went on the nacelles were molded on, i painted them in and it looks good in person, though it's a bit pants in the photos. Amount of detail feels right for the size, but not if they were 2x. I plan to hopefully get the rest painted up tonight/tomorrow and will probably order a sampler pack of each of the main 6 : Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Kzinti, Gorn and Tholian, maybe ask the designer to make a double-set of all of those without the fighters and throw it on his store since he's open to it.
As for the game itself, I tentatively highly recommend it Federation Commander :P It's a stripped down version of the classic Starfleet Battles, but even so it's quite a bit more in-depth and slower paced than most any game you find around now. A decent sized game is a couple of ships per side, 3~4 per side will last you all night. There is a "fleet" version where everything essentially has half of everything (half the damage boxes, half the power, half the weapons) that uses all the same rules otherwise and plays a bit quicker but only by comparison. Damage accrues over the course of turns, each hit being rolled to a location and each box taking out something specific, think Battletech with less outer armor (shields) and more inside critical locations.
I haven't played mongooses Trek: A Call to Arms, but I'm a HUGE fan of their now defunct Babylon 5 game which originated the rules. B5 ACTA is hands down my favorite space game of all time, but it doesn't feel like Trek should. It's a fleetbased game whereas FedCom is more of a duel and as much as I love Dee Space 9, most every battle in Star Trek was ship-to-ship or 2-on-1 etc. FedCom does that well, albeit very slowly. Fedcom feels like you're in the captains chair, trying to outthink the other captain, ACTA feels like your in a command room looking over a tactical display and orchestrating a battle. Both are good times.
Here is a Heavy Cruiser on a sheet of the small-hexed maps from FedCom main game, same size as an A4 sheet of paper
http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7292_zps33123b9a.jpg.html?sort=4&o=0 (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7292_zps33123b9a.jpg.html?sort=4&o=0)
The 4 ships in a standard hex (other side of tile) next to a half-size chit
http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7294_zps54a84416.jpg.html?sort=4&o=3 (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7294_zps54a84416.jpg.html?sort=4&o=3)
and the 4 painted ships in a standard sized hex plus a penny
http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7295_zpsf0b1cb4e.jpg.html?sort=4&o=2 (http://s1153.photobucket.com/user/Rhelyk/media/Starships/DSCN7295_zpsf0b1cb4e.jpg.html?sort=4&o=2)
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A little WIP photo after a couple hours with the airbrush and everything has the main colors down :) Everything has a subtle fade/zenith highlight. I don't want anything stark, and I doubt anyone will actually notice it, but it really adds some depth that would be missing if it was just solid colors. Now to start doing on the details
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I wonder if they could be printed without the integral stands and whether that would make them cheaper?
As I understand it, Shapeways sets the minimum price based on printing cost and the designer adds their profit margin on top. So yes, if you skip the base they should be cheaper to print but they will be cheaper to buy only if the designer wants to pass this onto the clients.
And no, clients are not free to rescale the prints. The designer has to do it. And Shapeways does not give clients access to the actual CAD files.
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Got the rest of the Federation painted up and detailing on the klingons started, I'll post pics in the morning. I suddenly feel the need to get the rest of the fleets. I'll have to stick to the samplers though, the seller's Fast Attack and Heavy fleets are a bit odd in that they have multiple dreadnoughts and battleships, but no battlecruisers. Odd, considering the battleships require they're own expansion while battlecruisers are a mainline ship :(
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As far as I know the designer of this is very open to customer assortments of ships. So he may also be willing to put up a standless version as well. Can't hurt to ask!
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These might drag me into actually playing Colonial Battlefleet, especially after his "not Trek" supplement.
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On the small hex grid, the ships are perfect ! Smaller hex grid is a good thing in my opinion, it can be played on a small table, or represent a bigger aera.
Fedcom will probably be my next scifi starships game. Is there any mods or rules for borgs somewhere ? I loved to play borgs on the pc game starfleet command :D
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The andromedans are kinda Borgish in power level, and they do send over robot drones when they do boarding actions. Starfleet Battles is not actually Star Trek, the company only has the rights to use things from the original series and the cartoon, nothing from the movies or later TV series. The rights to Trek in the 70s were cheap and last pretty much forever, but current trek is fairly expensive, I believe I was told $9,000 for a 2 year contract when I asked a few years ago (before wizkidz did anything with Trek, and before the newer movies. As a result, the authors made their own history based on TOS. So no Borg or Cardassians or Dominian, but at least it means no Ferengi either :P I also grew up with Next Generation and was initially not very into the setting because of that, but have since watched all of TOS and the cartoon and it has a certain charm missing the later trek series.
It's also immensely more open to this style of game, after all how often do you hear LaForge complaining that they just don't have the power to maintain shields or weapons or speed. Managing power allocation in FedCom is one of the defining elements of the game. And it's pretty awesome in game where you need to decide whether you're better off reinforcing your shields or firing another phaser, deciding between tractor beaming the enemy ship or transporting Marines over for a boarding action or just overloading your photon torpedoes for a devastating alpha strike!
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Sorry if this hijacks your thread, but you started it. :D
... Starfleet Battles is not actually Star Trek, the company only has the rights to use things from the original series and the cartoon, nothing from the movies or later TV series. The rights to Trek in the 70s were cheap and last pretty much forever...
Even more convoluted, from my limited understanding, than you've said. And I know someone will properly flame me if I err, but:
I heard the SFU was a license from Franz Joseph [Franz Anton Joseph Schnaubelt], the maker of the first 'official' blueprints and The Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual , as the license for THOSE was so vague as to drive a Dreadnought though, which, if you remember, was no more TOS than the Scout or DD. Those were in the Tech Manual.
Doug
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These ships look great and your paint job is really impressive.
I've seen these on Shapeways, but seeing them painted makes me want them even more. I'm not sure what I would use them for, but that has never stopped me from wanting miniatures.
Thanks for sharing the pictures of your work. I would love to see pictures of the other fleets as you get and paint them.
Sean
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"For thousands more years, the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came cross -- which happened to be the Earth -- where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog."
lol
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"For thousands more years, the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came cross -- which happened to be the Earth -- where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog."
lol
Sounds like something out of a Douglas Adams book. Great stuff and punny too. :D
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I heard the SFU was a license from Franz Joseph [Franz Anton Joseph Schnaubelt], the maker of the first 'official' blueprints and The Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual , as the license for THOSE was so vague as to drive a Dreadnought though, which, if you remember, was no more TOS than the Scout or DD. Those were in the Tech Manual.
As far I know ADB confirmed that in addition to the Franz Joseph license they also have a deal with Paramount/CBS, but for nothing after 1979 or so and not for any of the characters in any Trek series or publication. So no Kirk, or Enterprise.
I think the microfleets turned out great! I especially like the klingons. And that the Federation light cruisers look like Miranda class rather than Kearsarge class.
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thanks for the explanations about licensing, but maybe there is also fanmade creations somewhere too ?
Concerning startrek classic as we call it in France, I watched all the episodes a few years ago, on a cable tv network wich broadcasted it each night (at 1 or 2am). Even if I really like Nextgen (not so much the later voyager, DP9 or the other one with Scott Bakula), I really like startrek classic.
It's also immensely more open to this style of game, after all how often do you hear LaForge complaining that they just don't have the power to maintain shields or weapons or speed. Managing power allocation in FedCom is one of the defining elements of the game. And it's pretty awesome in game where you need to decide whether you're better off reinforcing your shields or firing another phaser, deciding between tractor beaming the enemy ship or transporting Marines over for a boarding action or just overloading your photon torpedoes for a devastating alpha strike!
That's typically what kind of space game I would like. I tried a few other rulesets, but I didn't find this special feeling.
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If you're interested then you can get pretty much everything you need to play the game for free, although I suggest the actual print items not only to give Amarillo Design Bureau money (which you should), but because they're nicely laminated card stock.
download the basic edition of the rulebook for free here
http://www.starfleetgames.com/fc/FCFirstMissions.pdf (http://www.starfleetgames.com/fc/FCFirstMissions.pdf)
and the reference card/cheat-sheet here
http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/FC_Reference_Card.pdf (http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/FC_Reference_Card.pdf)
and all of the SSD (the ship diagrams used to mark damage) here
http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/Commanders%20Circle/sc.shtml (http://www.starfleetgames.com/federation/Commanders%20Circle/sc.shtml)
Klingon Border and Romulan Border are the "main" boxed games, romulan came out later and included the errata and corrected reference charts, but both include a rulebook, the SSDs, reference sheets, thick cardboard playing mats and grease pencils to mark damage and a TON of die-cut counters. There is a rulebook available for $15 that includes all the rules for the various races in the game and the ship SSDs also come in the different booster packs.
As for myself, this sunday should see the maiden voyage of these guys, I'll try to remember my camera. I also ordered the microfleet Not-Romulan heavy fleet (and a couple of small-scale Defiants, unarguably the greatest ship ever created for any setting!) Hopefully they arrive in 6 days like the last order did :)
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That's how I started!
Then I got the Reference Rulebook.
I don't know what more I'm ever going to need to buy as far as rules and scenarios go. There are so many ship stat cards and scenarios in those free magazine PDFs in Commander's Circle.
I might end up buying a PDF of ship stats at some point, but I have so many ships already for free.
We've been using some old aerotech hex boards for now, but I'm planning on getting a flannel sheet and some dollar store fabric paint and making a 1.5 inch hex sheet.
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thanks !
I just realize that the game books are available on Wargame Vault ! So if I like the intro rules, I will be able to print and play the complete game for cheap. Since I plan to play with miniatures, I don't need all the material in the complete gamebox, I believe.
I'll see. I'll start playing the intro rules !
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Played a demo/refresher game today. Classic match-up: Captain Algren commands the Federation Heavy Cruiser USS Exeter patrolling the edge of the Federation-Klingon border when a Klingon D7 of uknown classification* appears on sensors, weapons ready and unresponsive to all hails.
Turn 1
Algren commands the Exeter to a cautious approach (speed 8), loading Photon Torpedos and ordering extra power to two of the tubes (2x-overloading) to show the Klingon's he means business! D7 closed at speed 16, launching drones, Algren later launching his own drones targetting the klingon missiles. A few tentative Phaser and Disrupter shots concluded the turn. With power to spare and the Klingons clearly hostile, Algren orderd the crew to overload the remaining torpedos and increase speed...
Turn 2
USS Exeter increased speed (speed 16) as do the Klingons (speed 24). Ships close for a few impulses with no fire exchanged. Drones reach each other and detonate, great thermonuclear explosions adding a little more radiation to a small area of empty space but little else. Klingons launch more drones which Algren dispatched with phaser1s at medium range, having learned from past battles just how these drones can be! The D7 had begun to turn away from the engagement only to open fire with some phasers and Disruptors doing only moderate damage to the fore shield, some of the force bleeding through damage to the engines, nothing significant. Algren orders the crew to hold fire and close. D7 begins to swing around as the Exeter pours extra energy into the engines, bringing the ships into prime range. Exeter fires (two 2x-overloaded Photon Torpedos at range 4 along with four Phaser1s), tearing through the Klingon shields and doing massive damage to the Klingon ship! (28 internals. Internals which just so happened to hit his weapons track twice out of the three damage groups!) Exeter launches drones and closes further, only to have the klingon turn head-on to get his remaining weapons to bear (ending the impulse in the same hex), ADDs disposing of the drones before they can strike. Noses nearly touching, the D7 shots fail to penetrate the fore shield as the remaining weapons strike home on the fresh enemy shield (two 2x-overloaded Photon Torpedoes and a single Phaser1) klingon ship, stripping most of the remaining weapons from the ship (7 internal hits striking...his weapons track!) Apparently Algren's Tactical Officer had taken the initiative and targetted weapons without orders :P Heavily damaged and practically toothless, the D7 turns and speeds back to Klingon space, Exeter victorious and nearly unharmed.
A victory for the USS Exeter, but even as the crew celebrate Captain Algren worries that this is not the last he has seen of this mysterious and aggressive Klingon captain and next time the Klingons will be so foolish, no doubt. Perhaps this is only the beginning, the start of something terrible...
... something terribly AWESOME! This wound up being a very short game of the "oh yeah, don't get so close to Federation ships with primed Photon torpedos" variety. He's going to reread the rulebook (and I probably will too) and we plan on doing some scenarios next week instead of just dueling over empty space. The little ships were fantastic, even though we only used 1 ship each it let us play a full game using only 4 hex-boards. Really hoping the romulans get here soon.
*(my friend didn't bother to name his ship. Damnit man, that's half the fun!)
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Same thing happened to me when I played my first game. Gorn medium cruiser vs Federation Heavy Cruiser. I had plasma bolts all loaded up (we weren't yet playing with torpedo/seeking weapon rules) and thought I'd be able to go toe-to-toe with the overloaded photons. Nope.
Tactical advice for your opponent: Once a fed player overloads his photons, he's limited to a range of 8. As soon as that happens, pay the energy needed for acceleration, cancel movement if needed (as cancelled movement counts for turning) and stay out of 8 hexes away. Make the fed player waste energy holding overloaded photons and never firing them. Or bite the bullet and eject the photons and begin the loading process over again.
My favorite thing about FC is that it makes the miniatures each feel valuable and important. In my last game my little frigate ended up being the hero and took down a Gorn medium cruiser after it's shields got knocked out by another craft.
I'm just at the point where we're going to be doing scenarios rather than dueling as well.
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Hi! I'm the designer of those little ships and I'm glad that someone's enjoying them! I wanted to let everyone know that I've released a few more of those items, so here is the current available line:
TOS-Style Coalition:
(https://images3.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_1839555_8418389_1422290965.jpg)
TMP-Style Coalition:
(https://images3.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_2002520_8428026_1422291475.jpg)
TNG-Style Coalition:
(https://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_2758390_8414601_1422290557.jpg)
Space Mongols:
(https://images3.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_1933152_8432288_1422236719.jpg)
Praetorians:
(https://images4.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_1718045_8484507_1422482605.jpg)
Kzouti:
(https://images4.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_2735002_8414908_1422119025.jpg)
Leerans:
(https://images4.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_3080988_8507266_1422574296.jpg)
Webbians:
(https://images2.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_2584939_8490208_1422509566.jpg)
AstroGators:
(https://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_2622190_8415619_1422123623.jpg)
Starbases:
(https://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_1938464_8979112_1423547551.jpg)
And here is a non-Trek fleet, the retro-pulp Atomizers:
(https://images4.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/625x465_3079633_8502846_1422559451.jpg)
I'm currently working on some more factions, including the Tridrans, CuBorgs, Cardashians, Do'Minions, and a fleet of cargo and non-combatant vessels for use as objectives and maguffins.
As Nathan said, I'm pretty open to custom orders, so feel free to PM me if there's a specific mix you'd like!
So yes, if you skip the base they should be cheaper to print but they will be cheaper to buy only if the designer wants to pass this onto the clients.
True, but since my standard markup on every product is generally a single dollar, any reduction in volume of material used should translate into at least some price reduction for the buyer.
Thanks, all! I'm excited to hear what else folks are interested in seeing.
~Andreas (a.k.a. javelin98)
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I absolutely recommend these awesome things, I have a full fleet of Federation (TOS coalition), klingon (mongol) and Romulan 9Preatorean) fleets. I plan to pick up the other main 3 too, but for now I have more than I ever want to field with just those 3 main fleets and some spacestations. They work wonderfully well with the smaller hex maps included in the FedCom game
Honestly, the biggest thing that kept me away from the new ships is that they lack an indentation underneath the base to put a magnet. Possibly this is due to the custom model I had Javelin98 make me(to include the extras I was missing), and I can hardly complain about that! But unfortunately it means that 90% of my figs have magnets underneath and 10% don't and are too difficult to include, and that was enough to move my ADD/OCD butt on to other projects :(
It DOES mean I'm now playing Infinity, which I LOVE! Go-go-gadget-complicatedrulesets!
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Great minis !
A nice addition would be civilian starships, like cargo ships, penitenciary starbase, factories, mines, etc... TO make nice scenarios and objective markers.
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Well, I do have a few designs along those lines! Below you can see three cargo ships, a hospital ship, a science vessel, two smugglers, and a luxury cruise liner. I'll probably make up a few more before that pack goes up for sale.
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Nice designs. Makes me want to start a new scale for my fleet gaming.
But for now I'm just tempted...... for now.
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So, if I end up with a bucket load in hand...
lol
Doug
Edit: And, I can't let the Fhloston Paradise pass without mentioning that sound you heard was the drop of my jaw.
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So, if I end up with a bucket load in hand...
lol
Doug
I would be happy to join you in a game using said bucket.
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Nice designs. Makes me want to start a new scale for my fleet gaming.
But for now I'm just tempted...... for now.
In that case, allow me to introduce a gateway drug: the Skirmish Pack!
http://shpws.me/ESDf
This pack features 15 starships (five each from the Coalition (TOS-style), Space Mongols, and Praetorians), and includes a Kay-7 deep space outpost for them to fight over. All for about the price of a coffee date at Starbucks (assuming you let your date get a scone with her hand-crafted coffee beverage)!
Thanks!
jav98
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Edit: And, I can't let the Fhloston Paradise pass without mentioning that sound you heard was the drop of my jaw.
I was wondering if anyone would recognize that. Well done, sir!
Here is is next to a US quarter and a £1 coin:
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Nice skirmish pack !
Are the cheaper "regular" white plastic good enough for these ?
What is the usual shipping cost for this kind of 3d printing services ?
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Nice skirmish pack !
Are the cheaper "regular" white plastic good enough for these ?
What is the usual shipping cost for this kind of 3d printing services ?
You can use the shopping cart and see.
"All other EU countries, Switzerland, Norway, San Marino, Vatican, Andorra, Liechtenstein
$9.50"
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Est. Shipping
€10.08
Pre-VAT is €8.4
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Compared to a lot of carts, this one is pretty up front, and without actually signing your life away. Much easier than the last time I gave it a shot.
Doug
Edit: On the other hand, since I used it long ago and far away, it won't let me log on as a guest. 'We don't want your money unless you go through the whole request/reset your password.' >:(
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thanks !
That's why I didn't simulate shipping costs myself, I was thinking that I had to register or something like this. But I have been able to have an estimation without registering, wich is a cool feature (wich is pretty rare these days on internet stores).
The cost (shipping included to France) is about 2euros for one ship, in frosted detail finish.Now I also have to compare more seriously with other products available. 8)
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Well, it's nice to know that someone from Amarillo Design Bureau is on these forums.
I am sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news, but unfortunately we have received a copyright infringement notice for your model MicroFleet TNG Coalition Sampler (9 pcs).
Therefore we have no choice but to remove your design at this time. I am sorry to have to do this, but Amarillo Design Bureau owns the copyrights and/or various paid licenses with Paramount to this design. They have sent an extensive list of designs which your shop infringes so I would advise you to not upload any more designs which may infringe their copyrights.
Our full content policy is below if you would like to know more, and if you feel this takedown is in error, you are welcome to submit a counter-takedown as outlined here. More information about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is here.. Additionally, I am happy to introduce you to the other party if you wish.
Thank you for your understanding. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at any time.
Best,
Natalia
Natalia Krasnodebska | Shapeways Community Manager
natalia@shapeways.com
Shapeways has taken down nearly all the ships now. However, I'm going to file a challenge to see if I can get them to put all those back up, especially since the majority of them are not designs that ADB has the license to.
Sorry, folks! I'll try to get this ironed out as quickly as possible!
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NO! Damnit! I come back to this thread talking about all the awesomeness of those ships just in time for ADB to be prickish :( This is terrible news as I already have sizable (heh heh) fleets for the 3 main races in the skirmish pack and the space stations, but I still need to puck up astra gators, webbians and Kzouti. And the Leerans, I don't remember seeing them on your shop before. A skirmish pack of those 4 races would be absolutely grand, but not if it gets you in any trouble :(
Hopefully that gets settled and the ships come back up for sale, they're FANTASTIC for people that think 3"+ long starships for a game with 1" hexes is stupid
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Every time Trek minis come up, I always end up pining for the old FASA ships. There's something almost disgraceful about how the modern licensees with access to modern technology can't seem to come close to the quality of 30 year old hand-mastered minis.
Some of the ADB stuff is okay, but it's very hit and miss, and they appear to be leaning quite heavily on the simplicity of TOS designs.
Attack Wing plastics are just terribad.
The old FASA minis were beautiful, with lots of fine, crisply rendered, visually in scale details. These new ones all have ultra-chunky sculpting, with simplified slab-like shapes and "detail" that looks like it was carved out of cheese with a backhoe. What the heck happened? We have CAD software and hi-res 3D printing now, what possible excuse can modern ship minis have for looking so much more like crappy home card jobs than 30 year old minis? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG7LjVCj50Y)
I feel like home brewed 3D files and Shapeways-like services are the only way to go now if you want good ST ship minis.
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I've seen some very nice repaints of the Heroclix/Attack Wing ships, they just need a little care and attention. In the scheme of things, not more work than you'd put into a pewter miniature, really.
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Tooting my own horn here, but I have been working to get Javelins files working on my home printer. Progress so far can be found here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=76210.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=76210.0)
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I've seen some very nice repaints of the Heroclix/Attack Wing ships, they just need a little care and attention. In the scheme of things, not more work than you'd put into a pewter miniature, really.
I've seen some decent repaints too. It helps a little, but there's a limit to how much you can polish a sufficiently bad mini. No matter how they're painted, they still look like chunky Lego ships.
But I guess that sort of answers my question anyway: the modern manufacturers don't care about quality because they know people will buy them and even defend them regardless.
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Every time Trek minis come up, I always end up pining for the old FASA ships. There's something almost disgraceful about how the modern licensees with access to modern technology can't seem to come close to the quality of 30 year old hand-mastered minis.
Some of the ADB stuff is okay, but it's very hit and miss, and they appear to be leaning quite heavily on the simplicity of TOS designs.
Attack Wing plastics are just terribad.
The old FASA minis were beautiful, with lots of fine, crisply rendered, visually in scale details. These new ones all have ultra-chunky sculpting, with simplified slab-like shapes and "detail" that looks like it was carved out of cheese with a backhoe. What the heck happened? We have CAD software and hi-res 3D printing now, what possible excuse can modern ship minis have for looking so much more like crappy home card jobs than 30 year old minis? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG7LjVCj50Y)
I feel like home brewed 3D files and Shapeways-like services are the only way to go now if you want good ST ship minis.
Agree with this completely. I loved the FASA ships. My ham fisted teenage self usually wound up bending the nacelle struts on my beautiful enterprise and other federation vessels.
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The only FASA ship I still have is a single Romulan Gallant Wing, which is staring at me across the desk right now. The level and quality of detail on it is amazing (though a bit spoiled on the nacelles by mold misalignment). I want to cast a few resin copies so I can have a squadron or two of 'em if I ever get to play a Trek game.
I actually got this one off a forum exchange out about 10 years ago. Always liked the Gallant Wing because of how well it fits with the movie-era aesthetic, rounding out the K'Tinga and Refit Connie with a perfectly like-minded update of the classic BOP. Though you wouldn't know it from looking at the FASA line art: the actual mini has corrugated paneling that "really ties the room together" so to speak, whereas in the plain line art it looks pretty bland.
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I've got two of those gallant wing ships. I have the same problem with the join between wing and engine being misaligned. And the feather panels look great with the whole bird of prey aesthetic. I would be interested in seeing some of your painted ships. The only one I have remaining that is also painted is a Klingon D7.
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Heh, I just got done stripping it, actually. It still had the paint from its previous owner on it (which was actually pretty neat: he'd hand painted a TOS-style bird on the bottom), and I wanted to do my own thing on it to use it with my "build something" entry. Upshot is I should have it repainted to show pretty soon.
The misalignment on mine is on the outside of the nacelles. It's the sort of thing that ordinarily would be super easy to fix with a file, but with this mini it cuts right through a lot of engraved panel detail that'd be hard to to restore, so I might have to just leave it.
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So, ten weeks later, I have a status update. While Mr. Cole refuses to even speak with me, I finally got Shapeways to agree that I had met the requirements under the DMCA to repost my ships, so that's what I'm doing now. It'll take a few days, but I'll eventually get all of them up, along with some newer stuff that never got posted in the first place, thanks to the takedown debacle.
As an aside, I'm already planning on making a couple other of those skirmish packs -- such as one with Coalition and Cardashian ships and my version of DS9 -- and I'd be curious to know what other mix-and-match sets people might like to see. Any historic space battles people want to fight out? Wolf 359 comes to mind, of course, but that was a pretty one-sided affair...