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Title: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: frogimus on 03 November 2014, 11:26:36 PM
I didn't find this in a site search, and figure some LAFers might find it interesting.

Per the description, this is low power, low noise. 40mm x 20mm x 90mm work area.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/826799607/ibox-nano-worlds-smallest-least-expensive-3d-print?ref=nav_search

I'm not affiliated with this, nor am I a backer.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: zizi666 on 04 November 2014, 05:28:09 AM
Looks interesting (although I won't get into the KS), however, I did notice one thing that made me laugh.
Some where around 02:50 you see a guy measuring the thickness of one of those acrylic plates. The same plates they cut out of a whole sheet of acrylic (as seen earlier in the movie).
You'd think the thickness of that is already known and pretty standard...  ::)
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: beefcake on 04 November 2014, 05:35:04 AM
Nice small price, but that is a tiny printing space and the resolution isn't great. Still better than not having a 3d printer if you are wanting to make small conversions to things or make small prototypes.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: beefcake on 04 November 2014, 06:37:03 AM
Not yet, lol, shipping mid this month apparently. 80 microns, not a huge printing area but about $600NZD shipped. Hope it does get here and in one piece.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Dewbakuk on 04 November 2014, 07:19:32 AM
Looks interesting (although I won't get into the KS), however, I did notice one thing that made me laugh.
Some where around 02:50 you see a guy measuring the thickness of one of those acrylic plates. The same plates they cut out of a whole sheet of acrylic (as seen earlier in the movie).
You'd think the thickness of that is already known and pretty standard...  ::)

I think that's just demonstrating the size to the viewer. Although actually it probably isn't precisely known as the industry tolerance on acrylic can vary by 5mm across a sheet. Absolutely fine for most industry use but it can be a real pain in the arse for laser cutting kits.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: beefcake on 04 November 2014, 07:54:25 AM
I have been waiting to see it in action so Im glad your wait is almost over.
Me too! ;)
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Dewbakuk on 04 November 2014, 08:10:34 AM
I'd like to get one of these as I'd like to use it to introduce my kids to 3d printing. The print area is making me hesitate though, 40mm X 20mm is really small. 40mm X 40mm would have been fine but 20mm...
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: beefcake on 04 November 2014, 08:12:44 AM
it is insanely small isn't it.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: YPU on 04 November 2014, 08:46:44 AM
I'm not convinced but I want to be, I've been contemplating the purchase of a Form 1 at 3000 euros for a good few months.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: zizi666 on 04 November 2014, 03:13:45 PM
I think that's just demonstrating the size to the viewer. Although actually it probably isn't precisely known as the industry tolerance on acrylic can vary by 5mm across a sheet. Absolutely fine for most industry use but it can be a real pain in the arse for laser cutting kits.

shouldn't that be 0,5mm? That sheet probably was 5mm thick. Seems unreal that its dimensions would hover between 2,5 and 7,5mm...
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 04 November 2014, 03:48:47 PM
thanks for the heads up! exactly what Ive been waiting for!
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: pocoloco on 04 November 2014, 04:12:15 PM
Here's one alternative 3D printer, Finnish one. Been pondering on getting one, wouldn't be too heavy price wise but not an expert on these, anybody more knowledgeable willing to analyze it more closely?

http://www.minifactory.fi/en/

Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: FramFramson on 04 November 2014, 05:18:55 PM
To me, I think you're only going to start getting my attention once the home printer can do high-resolution stuff. Not really interested in the cruder prints for now.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Dewbakuk on 04 November 2014, 05:35:41 PM
shouldn't that be 0,5mm? That sheet probably was 5mm thick. Seems unreal that its dimensions would hover between 2,5 and 7,5mm...

Sorry, should have been 'up to' 5mm depending on sheet thickness. For a 5mm sheet it's 1mm (actually 0.9 something) variance, so will be between 4mm and 6mm. The reason it's an issue is that variance can be found both ways on different parts of the same sheet...


To me, I think you're only going to start getting my attention once the home printer can do high-resolution stuff. Not really interested in the cruder prints for now.

Depends what you're using it for but yeah, I agree. That said, it's only going to reach that point if people show interest by buying them now.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 05 November 2014, 06:34:07 AM
Here's one alternative 3D printer, Finnish one. Been pondering on getting one, wouldn't be too heavy price wise but not an expert on these, anybody more knowledgeable willing to analyze it more closely?

http://www.minifactory.fi/en/

hmm that would be easy to get without customs etc... BUT I don't think that it fits our hobby too well. Resin printers are the only  ones able to do high enough resolution printings in small scale. Correct me if I am wrong since I would go and get that printer right away if someone could confirm that I could make 6-28mm miniatures, terrain etc with it.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: pocoloco on 05 November 2014, 06:42:15 AM
Reading about the specs of that Finnish 3Dprinter it does say it "can easily reach a precision close to even one tenth of a millimeter."

And with extra widgets it can print chocolate or use it as a milling cutter as well.

You should give them a call perhaps and let me know if you get one :)
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 05 November 2014, 06:45:19 AM
I sent them email. Damn... I hope that it fits my purpose but I think that only resin printers have smooth enough finish. I use prints as masters for molds and too obvious layers are a pain. Sanding helps but not enough.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: beefcake on 05 November 2014, 08:09:23 AM
I've read they have been using 3d printers to create organic pieces. It's only a matter of time before GW get on the band wagon and have a do it (to) yourself space marine kit, print plans for and extra heart etc, lol
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: former user on 05 November 2014, 08:19:08 AM
I was given to understand, from a friend more knowledgable than I in these matters, to whom I passed the ad for evaluation,
that he found it clever that the resolution was given in microns, to make it appear higher than it actually is (300 micron = 0.3mm) which is a rather not very high resolution....

it would be my impression that this Kickstarter is out to test the marketability of home printing (or small business printing)
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 05 November 2014, 09:30:56 AM
Reading about the specs of that Finnish 3Dprinter it does say it "can easily reach a precision close to even one tenth of a millimeter."

And with extra widgets it can print chocolate or use it as a milling cutter as well.

You should give them a call perhaps and let me know if you get one :)

Im getting a test print from my own stl files! we will see how good it is
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: pocoloco on 05 November 2014, 11:53:07 AM
Im getting a test print from my own stl files! we will see how good it is

Very cool!  8) Keep us/me updated :)
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 18 January 2015, 03:11:03 PM
An update. I bought the printer (Minifactory) and have been learning to do something usefull with it. now I've managed to print stuff for my 6mm minis. Even that it's FDM printer the resolution is very good. You just need to know how to print and how much detail is possible to model in to the 3D model. I will post some pics tomorrpw.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 18 January 2015, 03:11:52 PM
One more thing. I have been able to print 0.04 micron resolution and the model has no visible lines at all :)
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: YPU on 18 January 2015, 03:46:27 PM
One more thing. I have been able to print 0.04 micron resolution and the model has no visible lines at all :)
That's a very nice resolution. I have my own form 1+ incoming and I'm very curious to see the differences between the two.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: pocoloco on 18 January 2015, 04:11:41 PM
Sounds great! Can't wait to see the pics.
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 18 January 2015, 04:20:02 PM
That's a very nice resolution. I have my own form 1+ incoming and I'm very curious to see the differences between the two.

Form 1+ ! Nice one. The difference is huge. You can print smooth, sharp objects and will be easier to print difficult overhangs. FDM and resin printers are very different and Resin out performs FDM in detail easily :).

I wanted to buy a resin one but they are too expensive and I wanted to learn the trade first before moving to the resin ones
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: YPU on 18 January 2015, 04:23:45 PM
Aye, your right on the money for me as well. Only difference is my main line of work is as a goldsmith, so having a printer capable of printing wax for lost wax casting was a must. I also had a rather big fiscal opportunity that might not come around again. (I'm also kind of nervous, this is like buying a high end sports car while still working on your licence lol )
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 18 January 2015, 04:37:10 PM
Hehe well 3D printing is a bit confusing still since you really need to tweak the slicing / printing software a lot. With default profiles you can print yes, but they rarely are the optimum settings and every object usually needs it own settings..

I broke my printers nozzle after calibrating it wrong :D luckily the manufacturer gave another free. But when you get the hang of it, the possibilities are endless. Now I'm making prototypes for molding and then cast stuff in resin.

Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: zemjw on 20 January 2015, 10:56:48 AM
For those not wanting to go the kickstarter route, and who don't mind waiting nearly two years - http://www.3dprinter-collection.com/

90 issues, £6.99 per issue (mostly, two are £14.99)

Still, given some kickstarters, you could still be finished building it before the KS delivers
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: pocoloco on 20 January 2015, 12:35:55 PM
Still waiting for the pics Relic...  ;)
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: YPU on 20 January 2015, 04:16:41 PM
For those not wanting to go the kickstarter route, and who don't mind waiting nearly two years - http://www.3dprinter-collection.com/

90 issues, £6.99 per issue (mostly, two are £14.99)

Still, given some kickstarters, you could still be finished building it before the KS delivers

Oh my another of those magazines.  lol
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: Relic on 09 February 2015, 10:05:00 AM
Still waiting for the pics Relic...  ;)

argggh! sorry :P Have not been too active here... I've been mold making and casting resin like a madman. Had to fill two orders of bases (150 pieces) and that has taken my time. I will post something soonish
Title: Re: Small 3D Printer on Kickstarter
Post by: pocoloco on 09 February 2015, 10:25:40 AM
No worries, good to hear that business has started well.

Gave a look earlier to your hub page, keen to see more of your projects and products.