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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: olicana on December 05, 2014, 02:32:03 PM

Title: Marignano 1515 game - updated 25th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 05, 2014, 02:32:03 PM
Hi guys I've just set up a Marignano 1515 game. It will, given the difference in numbers and terrain, be difficult to get right. On Wednesday night we will start to fight it out and try out one or two scenario ideas. I'll let you know how it goes. Until then, here is the sep up and a few notes on my thoughts.

http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/next-weeks-game-marignano.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/next-weeks-game-marignano.html)

The Swiss
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HzcFH8AXjT4/VIGyxdyOcXI/AAAAAAAAIrU/iuVxgEX2zn8/s1600/IMG_9096.JPG)

The French
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3zLhAo0RikQ/VIGy7DK4GTI/AAAAAAAAIrs/jhrj7rjUOFU/s1600/IMG_9099.JPG)

Hope you like. When it's sorted I'll make it available as a full scenario article.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game
Post by: Alcide Nikopol on December 05, 2014, 06:09:24 PM
You have a very impressive table. Fine work, sir.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game
Post by: dhtandco on December 05, 2014, 08:03:12 PM
that looks great look forward to the posts what rules do you use?
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game
Post by: von Lucky on December 05, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
Very nice prelude.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 05, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
A very imposing set of figures  :)

I particulary like the buildings  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game
Post by: aircav on December 06, 2014, 08:16:40 AM
Superb  8) 8)
 I think your right, the French won't miss that unit of cavalry  :)
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game
Post by: olicana on December 06, 2014, 09:41:20 AM
Thanks guys.

The buildings are mainly Warbases building blank packs. The church is MDF scratch with Warbases 'bits and pieces' details. Tiles are HO plastic sheets by Wills' Building Materials. Warbases do a very useful windows, shutters and doors range at 'cheap as chips' prices. There are a few shots of them in progress somewhere under this label on my blog:

http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Modelling%20and%20conversions. (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Modelling%20and%20conversions.)

We use a home brewed Piquet / Field of Battle set of rules called "Hell Broke Loose". They are available, for free if you want a copy, by sending me an email. My contact details can be found in the side bar of my blog. They were written for large battle pre-musket Italian Wars - they are not generic renaissance set.

Best Regards

James
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game
Post by: Leapsnbounds on December 07, 2014, 04:33:19 AM
I am very impressed with the setup.  Keep up the good work, I would like to see the different scenarios you are developing, I look forward to seeing them soon
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: olicana on December 10, 2014, 08:20:27 AM
So, clutter added and some basic scenario notes:

http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-1515-little-more-detail.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-1515-little-more-detail.html)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0R6iyz_tba8/VIcjNGb9aQI/AAAAAAAAIss/sPNeX9susrk/s1600/IMG_9127.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lCJH_agxLz4/VIck9BQzBzI/AAAAAAAAItY/Hvr8uirLkUA/s1600/IMG_9111.JPG)
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: von Lucky on December 10, 2014, 11:12:12 AM
I used "very nice" before. I think I meant "bloody marvelous".
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 10, 2014, 12:24:44 PM
Looks even better with the clutter  8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: poulppy on December 10, 2014, 03:15:54 PM
it's really beautifull   :-*
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: Hu Rhu on December 10, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
That set up is absolutely marvellous. The size of the pike blocks and the great painting of the models.  A truly inspiring board.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: Captain Blood on December 10, 2014, 07:00:02 PM
A wonderful looking spread  :-*

Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: Phil Robinson on December 13, 2014, 12:15:16 PM
Superb, great to see this collection out again in all its splendour.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game some additional info and pics
Post by: aircav on December 13, 2014, 07:45:43 PM
Awesome  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 16, 2014, 06:12:06 PM
The game starts

http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-update.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-update.html)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nQeiI3BJOds/VJByqGg2c9I/AAAAAAAAIuo/DLPmaytlooo/s1600/IMG_9140.JPG)
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: Metternich on December 20, 2014, 01:13:39 AM
Some very impressive pike blocks there.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 20, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Now playing solo - scenario, OOB and reports here:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=73879.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=73879.0)
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: Arthur on December 20, 2014, 02:17:20 PM
As others have said, that's a brilliant display as usual, James  :)
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 20, 2014, 05:13:23 PM
There are three manufacturers here. The two on the near side of the ditch are Old Glory Swiss. The one in the centre with the French flags is TAG Italians. The one in the distance has a rear rank bases of OG Swiss, but the first three ranks of bases are Foundry Swiss.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: dm on December 20, 2014, 07:33:59 PM
Looks truly stunning :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 21, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
I very much like the price of the old glory chaps. Do you know what they look like next to the perry ones? Also some general questions. How many men do you put into one of your pike blocks and what ratio of pike to gun/crossbow is the foot. Also those war of the roses armoured knights by perry. They were also fighting in europe in general like that were they not? (I dont have a bloody clue about this era but I do like painting them.)

I don't have any Perry pike so I can't help you there. The OG are not so anatomically correct as Perry sculpts, in fact they are quite 'rough and ready' when you look closely. But they paint up very well and are amongst the best OG figure ranges. They mix with foundry Swiss, for size, if that helps - The figure with the halberd, 2nd from the back, and the horn blower just visible in the back rank, are Foundry.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6Ya6a2gIdW8/VJXKGmHPIhI/AAAAAAAAIyM/c1eZa5TDOTo/s1600/IMG_9165.JPG)

My pike blocks are based around six figure (45mm x 45mm) stands. I use 9 stand, 12 stand, 15 - 16 stand, 20 stand, or at largest 36 stand squares. I usually give pike squares a unit of shot (typically 16 figs) if they are Italian or 12 stands or over.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-77HPwfsBgTk/UZpZSjkW6VI/AAAAAAAAGiE/rW-NtUqVctQ/s400/IMG_7587.JPG)

The WotR cavalr are stand ins. They are really too early for this battle, but I need 15 units and I only have 13 units of Gendarmes painted so far. For 1495 you might, at a pinch, be able to use them but not here (1515) really. They should look like these but, needs must...
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l-yWnYdoLQY/UW-ppXYlYwI/AAAAAAAAGa0/YA6WgF23rhs/s400/IMG_7528.JPG)

Hope that helps.

James
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: Metternich on December 21, 2014, 04:48:54 PM
Thanks for the close-up.  Lovely
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 21, 2014, 09:41:04 PM
Here's my book list - mostly dry tomes I'm afraid

http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/my-16th-century-book-list.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/my-16th-century-book-list.html)

For flavour, there is the Borgias TV series.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 21, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
They look even better close up  8) 8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 16th Dec
Post by: Metternich on December 22, 2014, 11:16:06 PM
Olicana, congratulations on a very thorough list.  For an understanding of the Spanish Army (albeit not in Italy), I would include:

The Army of Flanders and the Spanish Road, 1567-1659: The Logistics of Spanish Victory and Defeat in the Low Countries' Wars, by Geoffrey Parker

Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 24th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 24, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
Well, three short sessions have been played (solo) and the battle is reaching its climax.

The reports so far:
http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-1.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-1.html)
http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-2.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-2.html)
http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-3.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-3.html)
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 24th Dec
Post by: Hu Rhu on December 24, 2014, 01:48:03 PM
The battle reports are brilliant.  Have a great Christmas.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 24th Dec
Post by: Galloping Major on December 24, 2014, 03:38:53 PM
Spectacular stuff  :)



www.gallopingmajorwargames.com
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 24th Dec
Post by: Phil Robinson on December 24, 2014, 05:04:26 PM
A veritable festive feast for the eyes, great stuff :-*
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 24th Dec
Post by: Metternich on December 24, 2014, 07:30:47 PM
Magnificent Renaissance Eye Candy.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 25th Dec
Post by: olicana on December 25, 2014, 08:27:25 PM
OK boys, the game ends here.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LSAK7piZAnQ/VJxn-KmyZBI/AAAAAAAAI34/PP60jso_DaE/s1600/IMG_9209.JPG)
http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-4.html (http://olicanalad.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/marignano-solo-turn-4.html)

A new solo game starts tomorrow - see the 'big battalions board@ - ooh, that's got to be a give away.
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 25th Dec
Post by: redzed on December 25, 2014, 08:39:02 PM
still love your painting style 8)
Title: Re: Marignano 1515 game - updated 25th Dec
Post by: archiduque on December 27, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
Great!!! :-*