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Title: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 06 December 2014, 05:37:54 AM
When the Science Caste could no longer restrain them, the War Caste invaded earth, with the intent of destroying human civilisation. Their main weapons of attack from a strategic perspective were the great "Maneuver Elements," war machines of massive size and unspeakable power….

(http://s404.photobucket.com/component/Download-File?file=%2Falbums%2Fpp122%2Ftaco_bat%2FDS6.jpg)
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: beefcake on 06 December 2014, 06:01:46 AM
That's huge... Possibly, how big's the tank? If it's 15mm or even 6mm then that is a giant. Scale shot against a 28mm by any chance?
Looks great as well. Love the design.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 06 December 2014, 06:17:38 AM
Compared to 15mm, 20mm and spacey marine....

(http://s404.photobucket.com/component/Download-File?file=%2Falbums%2Fpp122%2Ftaco_bat%2FDS5.jpg)
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Ajsalium on 06 December 2014, 06:20:40 AM
I had just seen it in FU!UK. That's... pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: FramFramson on 06 December 2014, 06:34:36 AM
Cripes that's a real monster!

beefy me old china if that tank is 28mm you walk that thing home from the store on a leash.

lol
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 06 December 2014, 07:06:31 AM
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Their main weapons of attack from a strategic perspective were the great "Maneuver Elements," war machines of massive size and unspeakable power...

*blink*
*blink*

Oh my. Oh my oh my oh my. :o  :-*

I'm lost for words. Somehow I find this to be so much more impressive than Forgeworld's titans, in a way.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Sinewgrab on 06 December 2014, 07:48:04 AM
I'll bite.  How much?
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Mr.Marx on 06 December 2014, 08:48:06 AM
Bloody Nora! That things huge.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: beefcake on 06 December 2014, 09:57:08 AM
beefy me old china if that tank is 28mm you walk that thing home from the store on a leash.
Lol.
No, I was asking for a scale shot against a 28mm. Wording was not so good. However if that was a 28mm tank that would work quite well as a coffee table. :D
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Agis on 06 December 2014, 10:33:18 AM
Amazing design (and size)!
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Brummie on 06 December 2014, 11:51:30 AM
Most of my 15mm Sci fi armies, with all their kit, would be hard pressed to deal with just one of those!

Glorious!  :-*
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 06 December 2014, 12:43:41 PM
Am I a bad man for pondering the feasibility of a three-strong squadron of these?  o_o
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Commander Vyper on 06 December 2014, 01:38:56 PM
Lovely lovely lovely.

Smaugesque Pricetag?
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: The_Beast on 06 December 2014, 01:50:21 PM
I'm lost for words. Somehow I find this to be so much more impressive than Forgeworld's titans, in a way.

I was just thinking, with a bit of organifying, 'nids could be very lucky recipients.  >:D

Am I a bad man for pondering the feasibility of a three-strong squadron of these?  o_o

Yes, yes you are.  :D

'We're gonna need a bigger...' table.

Doug
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Inso on 06 December 2014, 02:36:22 PM
It's a beautiful thing  :-*

I quite fancy getting one and converting it to be my painting lamp :)
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Sinewgrab on 06 December 2014, 05:07:00 PM
The size and design would certainly lend itself to LED additions, especially if it is hollow cast.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: No Such Agency on 07 December 2014, 02:56:17 AM
ZOMG.  That is huge.  But when you're going for "giant war machine", I guess it really is go big or go home.  Fantastic design too, reminiscent of many things but not derivative.

Good thing for humanity they will likely have slacked off on replacing their micro-organic particle filters, or can be hacked with an iPad, or are allergic to water, or something ;)
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: FramFramson on 07 December 2014, 09:31:45 AM
Am I a bad man for pondering the feasibility of a three-strong squadron of these?  o_o

Depends on who you inflict it on.  ;D
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 08 December 2014, 03:03:46 PM
The size and design would certainly lend itself to LED additions, especially if it is hollow cast.

The upper body is, yes.  In fact if you need to occasionally get access to the inside of it, the kit is ideally laid out for that.  You could probably make the upper carapace removable with little effort.  The upper body is four pieces -- the face, two body sides, and the upper carapace.

By the way, we have built recesses into the sockets where the legs attach to the hip unit in case you want to magnetise the attachment point.  Being able to take the legs off could make transport easier.  One thing I hadn't thought of though is the leg socket is round so the legs may swivel around in the socket when held on by the magnets.  Rare earth magnets are incredibly powerful but the attachment may not prevent rotation within the socket.  Wish I had thought of it before!  But it's probably easily correctable by adding an anchor plug to the side of the magnet recess.

I've ordered a few from the caster.  My experience is that big models like this attract a lot of comments on the forums but don't sell that often (like the Mekanoid Dictator mech -- haven't sold one in months, and I think it's been a year or so since I sold a DPLS, essentially a dead product).  So it will be special order.  I'll have to figure out how much the shipping will be for one kit and tack that onto the price to the extent it exceeds my preset shipping charges.  So availability will depend on when I get those castings.  When I can sell this kit I will release the alien invaders as well.  If it's too close to the holidays it might have to wait until next year.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: maroonldr on 08 December 2014, 03:24:03 PM
Is anyone else just getting a red x?
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 08 December 2014, 05:28:52 PM
It's on photobucket -- your place of business may have it blocked?
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Brummie on 08 December 2014, 10:10:55 PM
The upper body is, yes.  In fact if you need to occasionally get access to the inside of it, the kit is ideally laid out for that.  You could probably make the upper carapace removable with little effort.  The upper body is four pieces -- the face, two body sides, and the upper carapace.

By the way, we have built recesses into the sockets where the legs attach to the hip unit in case you want to magnetise the attachment point.  Being able to take the legs off could make transport easier.  One thing I hadn't thought of though is the leg socket is round so the legs may swivel around in the socket when held on by the magnets.  Rare earth magnets are incredibly powerful but the attachment may not prevent rotation within the socket.  Wish I had thought of it before!  But it's probably easily correctable by adding an anchor plug to the side of the magnet recess.

I've ordered a few from the caster.  My experience is that big models like this attract a lot of comments on the forums but don't sell that often (like the Mekanoid Dictator mech -- haven't sold one in months, and I think it's been a year or so since I sold a DPLS, essentially a dead product).  So it will be special order.  I'll have to figure out how much the shipping will be for one kit and tack that onto the price to the extent it exceeds my preset shipping charges.  So availability will depend on when I get those castings.  When I can sell this kit I will release the alien invaders as well.  If it's too close to the holidays it might have to wait until next year.

Interesting you mention you haven't sold a DPLS or Mekanoid in awhile, I'am interesting in getting them, but currently neither fit into ongoing 15mm sci fi projects. I'll be sure to pick up the DPLS come the new year....
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: maroonldr on 09 December 2014, 02:40:09 AM
Hmmmm, that could be it. I'll have to check tomorrow. No problems at home though.

That thing is beast!
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Knightofspades on 09 December 2014, 02:50:04 AM
Forget getting a new table, I need a new house to store that thing lol.

Great looking model!
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Etranger on 09 December 2014, 04:09:30 AM
I could do with another DPLS...... :)
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 09 December 2014, 03:45:00 PM
I don't want sympathy orders!  :-)  I do all this craziness to provide models people want and will paint and game with. If they do, great.  If not it was my misunderstanding of the market.

Thing is, there's a whole breed of people who propose that models be made, it actually seems to be their primary involvement in the hobby.  It's hard to filter them out when trying to decide what is lacking in the market.  They create a lot of noise but it's not proportionate to what interest really is.  The irony is that they often ask and ask and ask but when you finally make it they don't buy it!  

I reckon crowdfunding is the best way to let people put their money where their mouth is. Issue there is, people want to see what you're proposing to make, so you've already gone ahead and put in a substantial investment in the project.  I assume people will not pledge based on a written description, or a sketch on a cocktail napkin.  :-D

Also I've heard from several manufacturers that crowdfunding is a great way to pay for the production of a model, but only just.  You have to factor in the haircut of the fees and so on, and pad it a little to protect yourself in case some costs come in that were unexpected.  But then, there's a real risk that the crowdfunding will satisfy virtually all demand in the product and once the rewards ship there are no future sales.  So you put in all the effort to ... break even.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Brummie on 09 December 2014, 05:23:37 PM
I don't want sympathy orders!  :-)  I do all this craziness to provide models people want and will paint and game with. If they do, great.  If not it was my misunderstanding of the market.

Thing is, there's a whole breed of people who propose that models be made, it actually seems to be their primary involvement in the hobby.  It's hard to filter them out when trying to decide what is lacking in the market.  They create a lot of noise but it's not proportionate to what interest really is.  The irony is that they often ask and ask and ask but when you finally make it they don't buy it!  

I reckon crowdfunding is the best way to let people put their money where their mouth is. Issue there is, people want to see what you're proposing to make, so you've already gone ahead and put in a substantial investment in the project.  I assume people will not pledge based on a written description, or a sketch on a cocktail napkin.  :-D

Also I've heard from several manufacturers that crowdfunding is a great way to pay for the production of a model, but only just.  You have to factor in the haircut of the fees and so on, and pad it a little to protect yourself in case some costs come in that were unexpected.  But then, there's a real risk that the crowdfunding will satisfy virtually all demand in the product and once the rewards ship there are no future sales.  So you put in all the effort to ... break even.

We do have a similar problem here when it comes to quite a range of products, not just models, but books etc. We often get demands that we should stock a specific item, and as soon as it comes in; no one buys it.

There is a bit of a suspicion that there is an element of 'consumers' being more interested in seeing new stuff then actually purchasing it. There is a constant rush to see new products, but the actual buyers is much, much less.

I still want the DPLS though, I just have to wait....
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 09 December 2014, 05:37:28 PM
It's odd but true -- there are people who get satisfaction just knowing something is available without actually purchasing it.  That's fine, but of course it leaves the manufacturer in a precarious position.  You invested hundreds of dollars just to create a fleeting sense of happiness in a complete stranger.  :-D

I guess it's a sense of accomplishment?  "I got that made."  That could be it I imagine.

Anyway, I'm not sure how I got on to talking about this.   lol  I hope to have a casting of the Element in a few weeks and will put it up for sale as soon as I do, but it will have to be cast to order.

Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Legion1963 on 09 December 2014, 06:17:28 PM
Indeed. This a massive undertaking by any stretch of anyone's imagination. ;-)
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Etranger on 10 December 2014, 03:11:36 AM
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I guess it's a sense of accomplishment?  "I got that made."  That could be it I imagine.

Having helped get a few items into production via Eureka's (now defunct) 300 Club there is an element of that. I did however buy quite a lot of those once produced.

There's also the sad fact that income varies from time to time & discretioanry spending sometimes has to take a back seat.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Brummie on 10 December 2014, 10:02:15 AM
It's odd but true -- there are people who get satisfaction just knowing something is available without actually purchasing it.  That's fine, but of course it leaves the manufacturer in a precarious position.  You invested hundreds of dollars just to create a fleeting sense of happiness in a complete stranger.  :-D

I guess it's a sense of accomplishment?  "I got that made."  That could be it I imagine.

Anyway, I'm not sure how I got on to talking about this.   lol  I hope to have a casting of the Element in a few weeks and will put it up for sale as soon as I do, but it will have to be cast to order.



Fair nuff.

I'm still waiting on whenever you release those Spetsnaz for the Neo-Sov dudes....  ;)

Out of interest, the faction this immense death machine will be reinforcing, will they have other vehicles? Or, are they the types to just beam down with their machine crab buddies and zap everything?
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 10 December 2014, 01:20:17 PM
Yes, that's the idea. :) The war machines fuck everything up and the War Caste and Kallinects beam down to kill anything that survived or was protected by destruction.

Because once you've driven a Maneuver Element all other vehicles just feel inadequate. ;)
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Brummie on 10 December 2014, 02:33:06 PM
Yes, that's the idea. :) The war machines fuck everything up and the War Caste and Kallinects beam down to kill anything that survived or was protected by destruction.

Because once you've driven a Maneuver Element all other vehicles just feel inadequate. ;)

Yes, it definitely gives the impression that anything else would be virtually unnecessary, that coupled with the 'Greys' (or similar types) tend to always teleport down.

Does away with all the complicated requirements those pesky Humans demand.

Very, very cool stuff.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 11 December 2014, 04:30:24 PM
Jon, what I respect most about you and of Khurasan in general, is that you "make the stuff". All of it.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: mrgrigson on 12 December 2014, 01:09:39 AM
Out of curiosity, just how tall is it? I have a couple of foot-tall or so kaiju that could use an alien walker to beat on.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 12 December 2014, 11:44:53 PM
Even in its squatting position (as shown here) it's a foot tall, so I think the beating might go the other way!
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: mrgrigson on 13 December 2014, 04:24:15 AM
OooooOOOOoooo. Yep, that needs to join the kaiju combat league.
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Post by: Rabbitz on 14 December 2014, 12:49:20 PM
Its an impressive beast but what is the price mark we are looking at?
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: Khurasan Miniatures on 14 December 2014, 08:23:12 PM
Originally I had hoped for around $100 plus some sort of allocation of shipping charges to cover the excess from what my preset PayPal freight fees are, but I've since discovered that the caster is charging me separately for the legs, so I think the starting price will have to be about $130.
Title: Re: Khurasan previews the end of the world.
Post by: The_Beast on 18 December 2014, 06:13:18 PM
It's odd but true -- there are people who get satisfaction just knowing something is available without actually purchasing it.  That's fine, but of course it leaves the manufacturer in a precarious position.  You invested hundreds of dollars just to create a fleeting sense of happiness in a complete stranger.  :-D

If this has ever been me, a thousand apologies to you or whomever I misled. I'm generally clear about being enthusiastic about a design but not promising to buy immediately, but I do slip up.

Doug