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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Vanvlak on 22 December 2014, 09:03:04 PM
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I have had a rough year due to a spot of burn out, and although I painted over 150 models (which is for me a record) in 2014, my aim went all over the place, without any focus. Although I am happy to be completing the odd small force of 5-10 models, I really do need to get a larger force done, for no reason other than to clear a bit of lead+plastic pile out of the way.
The force will not be up to date with 40K rules or lists (gave up on that some years back), and will be outdated by a couple or more editions. I chose these particular forces (I have several others) as I feel like some sci-fi stuff which is not excessively gothicky, and I can get away without painting flesh in all cases.
If I left the choice up to myself I'd dither and falter and never make a start, so I'm asking for your votes to make the choice. My end of the deal will be to do the job and post pics.
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Go bugs!
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If you have trouble with focusing on a project, maybe it is because it is 'all the same stuff'... so Necrons and Tyranids would probably be a difficult thing to stick with (as they are really uniform in colour).
If you go with Dark Eldar you have the option of all different sorts of troop types and if you feel like you will get bored, you can go 'harlequin' and paint them all differently.
If you go for the Haemunculous route, you will have to paint a bit of flesh... but it can be all sorts of colours as they can be alien or even zombified if you like... lots of options.
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Not voting; no short abhumans...
Doug
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If you have trouble with focusing on a project, maybe it is because it is 'all the same stuff'... so Necrons and Tyranids would probably be a difficult thing to stick with (as they are really uniform in colour).
If you go with Dark Eldar you have the option of all different sorts of troop types and if you feel like you will get bored, you can go 'harlequin' and paint them all differently.
If you go for the Haemunculous route, you will have to paint a bit of flesh... but it can be all sorts of colours as they can be alien or even zombified if you like... lots of options.
...what he said...
True, all true.
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My first thought was Dark Eldar because of the nice models... (And I had third ed Dark Eldar back in what...1999?) however I think if motivation is your problem, doing some Necrons should be relatively quick and easy, and give you momentum you can carry onward to other projects.
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Go bugs!
They seem to be!
If you have trouble with focusing on a project, maybe it is because it is 'all the same stuff'... so Necrons and Tyranids would probably be a difficult thing to stick with (as they are really uniform in colour).
If you go with Dark Eldar you have the option of all different sorts of troop types and if you feel like you will get bored, you can go 'harlequin' and paint them all differently.
If you go for the Haemunculous route, you will have to paint a bit of flesh... but it can be all sorts of colours as they can be alien or even zombified if you like... lots of options.
Good point; however I will stick to the votes. I have a handful of each of the three forces painted, and in good dithery mode I have around 3 colour schemes for each so far....! I will not repaint these, so there will be a bit of colour, and I'll even come up with an excuse for it.
Homunculus army..... I come from an age when that was just a troop choice :(
Flesh - nothing against it, but flesh and human type eyes are the parts I find most tiring to paint, so I'm avoiding these.
Variety - not to worry, I tend to digress even when sticking to one army, so there will be some odds and ends to keep me motivated.
Not voting; no short abhumans...
Sigh - that is one force I do not have, although I own half a dozen Deadzone types. Then again, the eyes-nose-beard job is one which would slow me down considerably :-[ Although I do admit to painting the beards on my Epic scale lads, the Squatachans.
Thanks for the input and voting. :D
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I went with Space Bugs (from Outer Space) as well, for the simple reason that they're the only army I have not dabbled in (yet).
Necrons were the first army I ever completed to meet army list requirements (all the old metal models and conversions), so I can confirm that they're easy and fast enough to do, if you stick to the traditional metal paintscheme.
But they also require a lot of detailing, such as eyes, logos, trims etc. And the (not so) new range has an abundance of that. So overall, not as quick to finish up as they would seem at first, and should you go with another theme than metals, you're in for some serious shading and highlighting as well.
I also did up a 3rd ed. Dark Eldar force, but never got far into it. The models were not great, but I started them about 6 months before the new range came out, so I felt all my pretty conversions were rather lacking by the time all the new shiny stuffs were hitting the shelves. Shortly after, I burned out on 40K, and they've been boxed and stored ever since.
Also, they're the only one of your choices that require 'normal' painting all over. So no inking and drybrushing for them; they will all require layering, blending and all that for your shading and highlighting. So possibly too labour intensive to get a full army done in a reasonable time (read: before burn-out).
So that leaves the bugs. I have never dabbled with them. In fact, I've never even played a game against them! And I've done my share of tournaments back in the day too. So I know very little of them, apart from having read the codices.
I really like that one can get rapid and good looking results with minimal efforts, especially when going for a horde army (I once entertained the idea of an all CC army, with huge hordes of Hormagaunts, and some very large heavy hitters; a sea of chitin rolling over the table). So basecoating, dipping/shading, and then drybrushing and picking out of details.
So, if only because I've never done them, I'm supporting the bug vote. And also, I think that they're the army that will net the fastest results, and in my experience, getting results is the best motivator...
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After reading the topic, I vote for nids. From previous experience, you might need a lot if them (if you don't go nidzilla) but an individual gaunt doesn't need too many colours or finesse. I'm guessing most of the rest don't either - though when I gave up 40K, tyrant guards were still the new kids. I can barely recognise or name half of what's in that range now, let alone how fiddly they are.
I remember when all this was fields.
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I really like that one can get rapid and good looking results with minimal efforts, especially when going for a horde army (I once entertained the idea of an all CC army, with huge hordes of Hormagaunts, and some very large heavy hitters; a sea of chitin rolling over the table). So basecoating, dipping/shading, and then drybrushing and picking out of details.
So, if only because I've never done them, I'm supporting the bug vote. And also, I think that they're the army that will net the fastest results, and in my experience, getting results is the best motivator...
That fits.
After reading the topic, I vote for nids. From previous experience, you might need a lot if them (if you don't go nidzilla) but an individual gaunt doesn't need too many colours or finesse. I'm guessing most of the rest don't either - though when I gave up 40K, tyrant guards were still the new kids. I can barely recognise or name half of what's in that range now, let alone how fiddly they are.
And that.
Mind you, Vermis, I have to admit to a whole lot of ignorance of the new stuff, and my nearest to Nidzilla proportions would be the good old Carnifexes (Carnifices?) Of which I own three - including the beloved old, old metal screamer version :D
My army will probably fit no known codex, but be assembled just for fun - and for occasional use as generic bad (or good) guys in fun games, or in small groups against supers etc.
If the Nids win, still 8 days to go! Hive Omnomnom could still be challenged by the Cabal of the Acute Isosceles Ear or the Deceptinecrons.
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My army will probably fit no known codex, but be assembled just for fun - and for occasional use as generic bad (or good) guys in fun games
A commendable philosophy. :D I've been thinking the same myself - I still have a box or two of those nids and things that need (re)painting, then I'll take a look at the Bugs book for ViDe:FuCo.
(IIRC nidzilla lists kicked into gear in 4th ed, when you could take fexes as elites; but like I say I dunno after that. Given that they've had much more huge stuff piled on, like most 40K/WHFB armies, I guess it's still a thing.)
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??? smoke drifts fog like around the perimeter, as a pulsing sound like like the approach of some colossal steam engine grows louder by the moment. :-I the undivided attention of all is drawn to the smoke as the pulsing sound becomes clearer :? shadows begin to flit around the edges of vision and the sound of a million voices are drowned out by the basso rumble of :o OM-NOM-NOM OM-NOM -NOMOM-NOM-NOM a living tsunami has come for you all..
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??? smoke drifts fog like around the perimeter, as a pulsing sound like like the approach of some colossal steam engine grows louder by the moment. :-I the undivided attention of all is drawn to the smoke as the pulsing sound becomes clearer :? shadows begin to flit around the edges of vision and the sound of a million voices are drowned out by the basso rumble of :o OM-NOM-NOM OM-NOM -NOMOM-NOM-NOM a living tsunami has come for you all..
Cinematic :D :D
I guess the name will stick.
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May I make a silly suggestion...if your models are out of print and you may not be playing current 40K etc...why not sell the lead pile off?
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May I make a silly suggestion...if your models are out of print and you may not be playing current 40K etc...why not sell the lead pile off?
Heh - never :D
I am terrible at selling old models off, only did it once with a couple of models I still regret selling. I am a hoarder, and I also love the older stuff to bits, and since I mostly paint and build instead of playing it's not that much of an issue.
I should perhaps clarify that the burn out is due to work, not gaming stuff :D
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A commendable philosophy. :D I've been thinking the same myself - I still have a box or two of those nids and things that need (re)painting, then I'll take a look at the Bugs book for ViDe:FuCo.
It works better than keeping up with the codices :D
And I'll also take ViDe as a useful suggestion.
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Voting's proceeding well. I thought I'd add a couple of pics: as explained, I have a handful of models painted for each army - nothing special, all very fast paint jobs. And some minor conversions...
Deseptinecrons
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/vanvlak/28mm%20fun/DSCF6962_zps3fe9f3a1.jpg) (http://s78.photobucket.com/user/vanvlak/media/28mm%20fun/DSCF6962_zps3fe9f3a1.jpg.html)
Er - the hanging guy is a sort of Necron swashbuckler chap. Er.
Acute Isosceles Ear Cabal
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/vanvlak/28mm%20fun/DSCF6963_zps901b070f.jpg) (http://s78.photobucket.com/user/vanvlak/media/28mm%20fun/DSCF6963_zps901b070f.jpg.html)
Oh the shame, he wears the same hat as the swashbuckling Necron...
Omnomnom
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/vanvlak/28mm%20fun/DSCF6964_zps6160ca9a.jpg) (http://s78.photobucket.com/user/vanvlak/media/28mm%20fun/DSCF6964_zps6160ca9a.jpg.html)
The big guy was bought second hand painted in those basic colours, but I added the stuff on the base and some shading and drybrush work; which are barely visible in the pic anyway. The cultist and stealer are really old models.
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43 votes in - many thanks to all who took the time to vote or to give advice.
Currently (I will not give anything away for anyone who has not voted) one of the 3 forces is in the lead, with about a third more points than the other two who are tied.
Having just finished reorganizing all my painted models (well, sort of finished....) I am now sorely tempted to start the 'winning' army. Or shall I wait until the actual voting deadline on the 31st? I should, really, but will I manage now that I am a bit psyched up to start? o_o
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If you feel like painting, just do it. Don't waste this mojo. Muses are fickle if anything.
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PAINT! Do it NOW! :D
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Hmmm, maybe I should, shouldn't I?
:D
OK, will go dig out the leaders, BUT if the voting changes direction I'll respect that and follow the majority of votes.
There is an unforeseen problem: I was actually tempted to buy a new (and expensivish) model for the currently-winning force. That's not meant to happen!
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So I did.
I trawled through the dungeon to find all my Tyranid models, or at least as many as I could before I gave up.
I did quite well, and found all I remembered owning bar perhaps 3; which is good by my standards.
Since voting is still on, by the way, I am not mentioning the subject of this thread, which is messy. Viz:
NOTE - I HAVE INSERTED NAMES NOW THAT VOTING IS OVER.
Some of my largest unit, the GENESTEALERS have some of their number undercoated, so I'll start with these. I found the old, old ZOANTHROPE which will be a treat to paint. And I added a SENTINEL, which I have no idea what colour to paint yet. I'd forgotten all about my second CARNIFEX, which will need a lot of work to get done. I'm also planning some conversions, in particular using some old HIVERS as CULTISTS. And I am very tempted to add a STORMBLADE although it doesn't make much sense, does it? I was a bit shocked to see how old my most recent model is - around 12 years, probably.
I wonder if I'll be able to fill in the blanks when the end of voting arrives.... ???
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I voted for someone who wasnt the winner but having seen the photographs I am looking forward to seeing what you do with the winning army.
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I voted for someone who wasnt the winner but having seen the photographs I am looking forward to seeing what you do with the winning army.
Thanks - of course if the vote tips I'll have to change all my plans! ;D
Meanwhile, I just realised I have a painted BENDIBUS which can be added to my 13 previously completed models for this force.
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Damn hoarder! :D.
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Damn hoarder! :D.
Guilty as charged :D
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I voted for Necrons because of the ease of painting. The majority seems to be tyranids, though and that's another force that's easy to paint.
Have you considered doing "the dip" for the 'nids?
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I voted for Necrons because of the ease of painting. The majority seems to be tyranids, though and that's another force that's easy to paint.
Have you considered doing "the dip" for the 'nids?
I considered it for all 3 forces, but find it a bit messy, so will probably stick to an undercoat - base colours - drybrush - wash routine.
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I considered it for all 3 forces, but find it a bit messy, so will probably stick to an undercoat - base colours - drybrush - wash routine.
I see. Brush dipping is probably not a good technique for Necrons anyway. However it would be great for Necrons. and if you use a brush-dip rather than an emersion dip, the mess is no more than painting with oil based paints. Here's my tutorial for brush-dipping:
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2012/01/with-liberty-and-brush-dipping-for-all.html
These cops are my most recent brush-dipping project:
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2014/12/chicago-police-from-tactical-miniatures.html
Best of luck whatever you decide!
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I see. Brush dipping is probably not a good technique for Necrons anyway. However it would be great for Necrons. and if you use a brush-dip rather than an emersion dip, the mess is no more than painting with oil based paints. Here's my tutorial for brush-dipping:
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2012/01/with-liberty-and-brush-dipping-for-all.html
These cops are my most recent brush-dipping project:
http://chicagoskirmish.blogspot.com/2014/12/chicago-police-from-tactical-miniatures.html
Best of luck whatever you decide!
Hey, thanks - bookmarked for future reference. I might try it out if I can lay my hands on the right stuff here in Malta; either this, or try something I have not yet attempted - ordering liquids from abroad....
Nice cops, by the way. 8) 8)
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Hey, thanks - bookmarked for future reference. I might try it out if I can lay my hands on the right stuff here in Malta; either this, or try something I have not yet attempted - ordering liquids from abroad....
Nice cops, by the way. 8) 8)
Thanks! They came out pretty well for a speed-paint job.
As for getting Minwax or Army painter (I prefer minwax) check your local hardware store and see if they have a polyurethane based stain product. Army painter and Minwax are just stain+Poly products, and maybe there's something similar available near you. Alternatively you can make your own if you have access to something like "future" floor polish (basically thin liquid polyurethane) which you can mix with paint or ink to get a similar product.
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Just 6 hours to go before the poll ends.
I have jumped the gun and started assembling the models for the force in the lead - assuming it doesn't change by year's end!
I'll take the opportunity to thank who voted and who gave advice - very much appreciated.
Best wishes to you all for 2015, and thanks for making this the year of the Tyranids for me. :D
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It's over, and the Tyranids (which will include a GS cult) win.
Better get busy.
It's actually the smallest of the 3 forces I included in the poll, with just 1 Tyrant, a GS Primarch, some Lictors, 3 Carnifeces, 6 warriors, a few swarms, 6-8 flying thingies the name of which I forgot, a zoanthrope (when they still had legs), a small assortment of cultists, around 30 genestealers, 4 hormagaunts(!), a Sentinel and 2 spore chimneys from Forgeworld.
Add a Sentinel, and maybe the Stormblade if I go that way....