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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Vindice on January 30, 2015, 09:33:06 PM
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The plan here is to construct two retinues from a couple of boxes of Perrys to use at School for a wargames club.
As we're based in The People's Republic of Yorkshire, I'm going with a generally Percy vs Neville feel in terms of livery.
First up we have our first unit, Yorkist Men at Arms:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/16219305097_a694f6a6de_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qHfbkk)men at arms 2 (https://flic.kr/p/qHfbkk) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/people/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8657/16219306397_da9bde9491_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qHfbHK)Men at Arms 1 (https://flic.kr/p/qHfbHK) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/people/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
The more historically minded of you will notice that I've quartered the tunics rather than going with the more accurate Percy halved tunic. This was purely because I fancied having black and red in quarters and whim trumps accuracy every time for me. This is probably not an admirable attitude for a history teacher.
Next up will be the first Neville-style unit of Men at Arms.
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I like the quartered scheme, so if it works for you, does it really matter if it is 100% historically accurate? This is art as much as history and I'm sure the kids will love it
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As we're based in The People's Republic of Yorkshire, I'm going with a generally Percy vs Neville feel in terms of livery.
First up we have our first unit, Yorkist Men at Arms:
Next up will be the first Neville-style unit of Men at Arms.
Nice start to a great project. I applaud the 'whim over accuracy' which is one I follow most of the time. One thought though - who's livery are you meant to be portraying? ???
If I recall correctly, Richard Neville (Earl of Warwick) livery was red, his brother John Neville was Red and Black as was his father (Salisbury). There are various other branches who wore Green and White (Abgavenny) and Blue and White (Fauconberg). So far so good. :)
The bad news is that the Percy livery colours are also Black and Red (despite his standard being red and yellow). o_o
Good luck with trying to work out which side was which.!! ??? ???
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Good stuff. Don't know about Lion Rampant - still haven't tried it. But I firmly believe the forum needs as many WotR projects as humanly possible. We can never be too medieval ;)
That blued armour looks a wee bit psychadelic though o_o
May I recommend to you, Vallejo Modelcolor no. 800 'Gunmetal Blue'? Cut with a little black for the basecoat, and cut with a little silver for the highlight coat - perfect for blued plate (in my humble op).
...whim trumps accuracy every time for me. This is probably not an admirable attitude for a history teacher.
My approach precisely. Good man 8)
I'm a historian too (well, I've got a history degree, at any rate). But I'd much rather my toy soldiers looked the business, than were 110% historically accurate. I never cease to be amazed about how many wargamers obsess over pinpoint historical accuracy ahead of visual impact - as though it matters in an inch-high figure! Whereas visual impact matters very much when those inch-high figures are viewed en masse from a few feet away. Ah, well - whole different argument there. Suffice to say - nothing wrong with your approach that I can see :)
Keep 'em coming.
PS. Any chance of slightly bigger piccies? :)
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Percys and Nevilles Good call! Nice looking figures too. :)
I recall we had a thread here in which we talked about liveries and the topic of the Percy/Neville similarities came up. Bearing in mind John Neville wasn't a major player at first he *may* have taken on Percy red and black when he became 'Northumberland'. Livery colours weren't static, so while we have some of the colours for people, we usually don't have the 'when' to go with them.
Sometimes the books don't help either, as you often see 'three colour liveries' included for the WotR, which were strictly a 'HenryVIII' onwards phenomenon. I go for accuracy in research... but on the tabletop 'whim' wins out.
;)
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Thanks all.
The blue was vallejo transparent blue over the basecoat; the rather... Shall we say 'vibrant'? end result is because I did another watered down coat over the highlight. I'll probably try to dull it back down with a black wash when I do a final pass over all the miniatures. I'll certainly try the 800 next time, though.
To be honest, I'm thinking of cheating and going with a white and blue livery for my ersatz Lancastrian Nevilles. As we know there were a lot of the Lancastrian mob who utilised those colours so I could always go with a very minor - hitherto unknown - branch of the family. My main thinking here is that Black/red and White/blue will give a great visual contrast on the table. Plus my wife likes them :)
Clicking on the piccies should take you to bigger versions.
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So the first unit of alleged Nevilles is done:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8670/16465776525_1b643801b2.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r62pGH)DSC_9782 (https://flic.kr/p/r62pGH) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/people/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
I think the two contrasting colour schemes work well, which was the main thing I was after:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8615/16279539139_e0d6caa3eb.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qNyTPi)DSC_9784 (https://flic.kr/p/qNyTPi) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/people/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7413/16465779285_f8163f1112.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/r62qwi)Can't we all just get along? (https://flic.kr/p/r62qwi) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/people/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
Next up, some Percy longbowmen.
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Very nice paint jobs and like you wrote, the chosen colors on liveries will work nicely on the table.
Will these be only for gaming or teaching about WOTR period as well? If the latter, what have you in mind?
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In terms of using them as a teaching aid, it would mean I'd have to lose the Trafalgar wargame which currently goes down a treat.
Finished the first unit of archers for the Percy retinue. Tabletop standard only, I'm afraid:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7436/16569453051_7a79513c47.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rfbM82)Archers (https://flic.kr/p/rfbM82) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/people/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
More pictures on the blog: http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/a-storm-of-arrows.html
Next up, Neville archers!
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Looking good.
Hope they don't run across any tigers in that long grass... ;)
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I'll have you know that the most recent archeological evidence suggests that the Battle of Towton was fought in deep jungle.
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lol
I heard it was snowing ;)
Keep 'em coming.
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I would have gone for "Early Portuguese expedition to Angola against the Fukawe tribe" myself. ;)
Nicely done figures though. :)
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just a quick question, what size bases are those?
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just a quick question, what size bases are those?
2-pence pieces. 20mm or so, I think.
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2p is about 30mm, 1p pieces are 20mm.
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2p is about 30mm, 1p pieces are 20mm.
Sorry, I meant to say 2 pence piece, about 30mm.
Hand must've slipped on the keyboard. Damn my sausage fingers! :D
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Cracking stuff 8)
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We have the Neville archer unit completed:
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8745/16131288823_ff0876a69d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qzt5an)DSC_0064 (https://flic.kr/p/qzt5an) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/people/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
Some more pictures and comparison shots with the Percys on the blog. Not far off now - two more Units and both basic retinues will be completed! http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/storm-of-arrows-redux.html
(There's also a Warhammer AAR report on there for anyone who wants to see me get beaten again)
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I really like the fact that you can start to see different characters emerging for the different factions, depending on which of the components you use and how you put them together. And that you can build on this to give a quite distinctive feel to different retinues. They kind of take on a life of their own, don't they? :)
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Sorry for the long silence chaps, but Ofsted, holidays and various family issues have kept me rather busy. However, today I finally got the chance to try out the retinues on the field of combat.
The full AAR is on the blog - The Battles of Much Frottage and Porking on the Wold (http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/much-frottage-and-porking-on-wold-lion.html) - but here's a few piccies:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WuoZzAynlfk/VSgKcmLM1bI/AAAAAAAAA4A/-cXduixSdhU/s640/blogger-image--897356878.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XZOB1-Fq48o/VSgKguYY0jI/AAAAAAAAA4g/eE1zTpI36BQ/s640/blogger-image--1376991064.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3MTeXXcPJII/VSgb4bf-aDI/AAAAAAAAA6I/d7Zq-RLQMSU/s640/blogger-image-818199796.jpg)
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Looks like a great battle
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Nice!
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Hello chaps!
Well, it's been six months but I've finally finished my two retinues - just in time to mount a battle for Open Evening at school in September.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3732/20289836466_e8be969e7e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wUWHuE)Nevilles (https://flic.kr/p/wUWHuE) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/photos/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
Here we see the Nevilles, belying their reputation by looking quite noble in the blue and white...
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3732/20289836466_e8be969e7e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wUWHuE)
Nevilles (https://flic.kr/p/wUWHuE) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/photos/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
And here we see the slightly more grizzled Percys.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3689/20289848776_a0b774f711_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wUWM9U)
Percys (https://flic.kr/p/wUWM9U) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/photos/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
The full work in progress shots - and the explanations for some of the most egregious historical errors - can be found on my blog. (http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/wotr)
Mind you, when I say finished, they do kind of look lonely without cavalry, don't they....?
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Very impressive :-*
I look forward to seeing more- yes to the cavalry! :)
Darrell.
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Very nice :-*
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nice
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Oh, all right then - let's have some cavalry.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/645/21046691652_33f6c29334_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/y4PNb1)Neville Cavalry (https://flic.kr/p/y4PNb1) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/photos/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/776/21030432436_7e429363ff_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/y3osSG)Percy Cavalry (https://flic.kr/p/y3osSG) by ReanimatedImagery (https://www.flickr.com/photos/67779256@N08/), on Flickr
Some WIP and other stuff on the blog as per usual. (http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/)
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Excellent
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great !!!!
the perry plastics minis are really usefull !
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the rearing horse is very nice ! Is it a conversion?
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Aye, a very simple one. You just mix and match the two running body halves and then reposition the back foot on the base. I used a wee touch of GS to help seat the load bearing foot. One of the Percy ones was some similarly but not quite so dramatically.
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thanks . I did that with the horse of my Jamie Lannister figure
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With a change in GCSE History specification comes a slight change in focus. After a long while messing about with fantasy and SF stuff, it's time to get back on the historical horse.
Literally.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-v-R1KytcaRo/V6JKx_4B_VI/AAAAAAAACPY/a9HebDp6VWU/s640/blogger-image--1556292454.jpg)
These are conquest Normans. The idea is that we will build up enough Vikings, Saxons and Normans to be able to game some of the skirmishes around the three battles of 1066 with the students.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FEqB-1JNlYg/V6JLDzCf9nI/AAAAAAAACP0/LoBairTDgKE/s640/blogger-image--1972014483.jpg)
I can thoroughly recommend the conquest Normans; easy to work with, great value and fun to paint.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mRBDgxTNgL8/V6JK8CptHmI/AAAAAAAACPo/5ReLM3Rs_Dw/s640/blogger-image--13063952.jpg)
More pictures on the blog here: http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/dex-aie.html
Wip entries on the blog here if you want to see how easy they are to convert: http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/conquerors.html
http://critfailure.blogspot.co.uk/2016/07/men-of-north.html
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Goodness! You've certainly not shied away from the horrors of war on that casualty figure!
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I just finished a Lion Rampant Anglo-Norman retinue. They do seem to be popping up these days. :D
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Goodness! You've certainly not shied away from the horrors of war on that casualty figure!
:) in my defence, guts are easy to sculpt so it's laziness as much as anything.
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They might be easy to sculpt, but to get the colour right for blood, intestine and exposed muscle is amazing. But gruesome - you sick b#$^@*d.
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*bows*