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Title: Uniform query...
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 05, 2015, 03:59:08 PM
Perry Miniatures do British Infantry with what looks like either a blanket or a greatcoat over their shoulders. What is it and what colour should it be, I've seen them depicted as both dark blue and grey, while perusing painted figures on the interweb?

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Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Plynkes on February 05, 2015, 04:16:41 PM
They are the blanket rolls worn by the Yorks and Lancs and Royal Irish Fusiliers in the coastal campaign.

This painting of the Battle of Tamai gives an idea of the colour. Dark grey, by the looks of things...

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/163_05_02_15_5_11_04.jpg)

As the painter, Godfrey Douglas Giles, was actually present at the battle, it seems fair to accept his portrayal as accurate.

Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 05, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
Michael Perry painted up a uniform guide for the Sudan, the regiment you talk about in Indian Service gear is represented there:

https://www.perry-miniatures.com/pages.php?page=sudan-uniform-guide

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 05, 2015, 09:09:51 PM
Thanks chaps.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 05, 2015, 09:14:30 PM
Thanks chaps.

No probs...... anytime  :)

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: black hat miniatures on February 06, 2015, 10:12:09 AM
I came on here to ask that very question as I'm painting a test Connoisseur figure  :-)

thanks

Mike
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 07, 2015, 03:12:55 AM
I came on here to ask that very question as I'm painting a test Connoisseur figure  :-)

thanks

Mike


Mike, wot colour you plumped for, I can't decide if the blanket rolls are blue or greay!?

::)
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 07, 2015, 07:20:48 AM
Mike, wot colour you plumped for, I can't decide if the blanket rolls are blue or greay!?

::)

They are a dark blue grey in Go Strong into the Desert, Mike Snook.

My choice would be to simply mix a bit of blue into a dark grey and highlight up from there.

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Plynkes on February 07, 2015, 12:13:43 PM
We must see colours differently then, because in my copy of Mike Snook's book they are practically black, with no hint of blue at all. Perrys have them dark grey, and in the painting done by the man who was there they look dark grey to me too. I don't know where this blue thing is coming from.


Colour is a funny thing.  :)

Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 07, 2015, 12:38:36 PM
:) Dark grey it is then. :)
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 07, 2015, 01:08:00 PM
:) Dark grey it is then. :)

Good  :)

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: black hat miniatures on February 07, 2015, 01:58:14 PM
I've gone with dark grey as well...

Mike
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 07, 2015, 02:22:05 PM
We must see colours differently then, because in my copy of Mike Snook's book they are practically black, with no hint of blue at all. Perrys have them dark grey, and in the painting done by the man who was there they look dark grey to me too. I don't know where this blue thing is coming from.


Colour is a funny thing.  :)



It must be mu Fine Art degree..... it can make one see funny things  lol

Seriously though, if you look in the Mike Snook's book there is a hint of blue in Michael's depiction of the York and Lancasters.

you have to remember that even dark greys are made up of many colours. It's actually possible to mix a black with a mix of the folowing, Burn't Umber, Viridian and Ultramarine. Of course, one should paint their mini's how they please  :)

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 09, 2015, 02:32:10 AM
I'm thinking of adding a couple of British units in the light blue iniforms. What number Humbrol matt enamal would be the closest match, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 10, 2015, 01:52:40 PM
I'm thinking of adding a couple of British units in the light blue iniforms. What number Humbrol matt enamal would be the closest match, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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I really haven't got a clue about Humbrol! I haven't used Humbrol except for undercoating and the initial coat of varnish in years! I did once gloss some old Napoleonics in Humbrol!! Needless to say it was not a good result!!!  lol
 
Sorry I can't be pf more help. Next time I'm at the shop where I buy my paints I'll try and do a comparison with Vallejo for you.

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 11, 2015, 12:55:42 PM
Vallejo's shade of light blue/grey that you use would be just as helpful, as I'm slowly moving over to their brand of acrylics. I really do appreciate all the help I've received from everyone in my toe dipping into the deeds of Empire. I've got the 'Sword and the Flame' rulebook, event cards and laminated quick reference sheets. A mountain of figures to get painted, a forest of palm trees at twenty pence a thousand, from China, an Airfix Fort Sahara and enough buildings for a riverside village. Soon I'll even know wot I'm talking about too, as I'm well into His Nibs's 'With the Malakand Field Force', and 'Go Strong into the Desert' has fallen through the letterbox this very dawn...
Wot I really need to do is stop playing on here and go strong into the paintbrush and get them Black Watch Highlanders fettled!!!

:)
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 11, 2015, 01:23:16 PM
Vallejo's shade of light blue/grey that you use would be just as helpful, as I'm slowly moving over to their brand of acrylics. I really do appreciate all the help I've received from everyone in my toe dipping into the deeds of Empire. I've got the 'Sword and the Flame' rulebook, event cards and laminated quick reference sheets. A mountain of figures to get painted, a forest of palm trees at twenty pence a thousand, from China, an Airfix Fort Sahara and enough buildings for a riverside village. Soon I'll even know wot I'm talking about too, as I'm well into His Nibs's 'With the Malakand Field Force', and 'Go Strong into the Desert' has fallen through the letterbox this very dawn...

That's the easy bit.....  :)
Wot I really need to do is stop playing on here and go strong into the paintbrush and get them Black Watch Highlanders fettled!!!

:)

And that would be the more difficult of the tasks you have before you  :).

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 12, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
:o DRUMS!!! :o

From painted figures I've seen on 'tinterweb, British drummers seem to tote a brass drum, red bands top and bottom and white string thingys, How accurate is that for a Black Watch drummer in the Sudan? I've a nagging memory of a Military Modelling article, from the dawn of time, depicting drums with plain khaki covers on them?

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Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 12, 2015, 03:41:44 PM
:o DRUMS!!! :o

From painted figures I've seen on 'tinterweb, British drummers seem to tote a brass drum, red bands top and bottom and white string thingys, How accurate is that for a Black Watch drummer in the Sudan? I've a nagging memory of a Military Modelling article, from the dawn of time, depicting drums with plain khaki covers on them?

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You've got me there.... probably this accurate but I'll check Blood on the Nile for you and see if there's a pic or two of the Black Watch and report back. Please remind me if i forget!!  :)

Darrell.
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: carlos marighela on February 12, 2015, 06:36:49 PM
It must be mu Fine Art degree..... it can make one see funny things  lol

Seriously though, if you look in the Mike Snook's book there is a hint of blue in Michael's depiction of the York and Lancasters.

you have to remember that even dark greys are made up of many colours. It's actually possible to mix a black with a mix of the folowing, Burn't Umber, Viridian and Ultramarine. Of course, one should paint their mini's how they please  :)

Darrell.

I'm not sure that Fifty Shades of Grey was intended as a painting guide but glad you got some extra use out of it. Of course you could just wait for the film version to confirm things.  :)
Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Plynkes on February 13, 2015, 09:48:24 AM
Just to complicate matters a tad, this painting of Tofrek by Fripp has a scene where the troops are in a mix of the grey uniforms and khaki.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/163_13_02_15_10_42_49.jpg)

Three examples of the grey uniform are highlighted with stars. Going from this period source, I'd say the grey uniforms were much paler, and with less blue in the grey than the way they are commonly painted on figures. Something to bear in mind.

Don't be confused by the two fellas in darker blue-grey on the right. They are in shirtsleeves order (the attack took place while the troops were working on a zariba).

Title: Re: Uniform query...
Post by: Atheling on February 13, 2015, 11:49:25 AM
Just to complicate matters a tad, this painting of Tofrek by Fripp has a scene where the troops are in a mix of the grey uniforms and khaki.

Michael mentions this in his uniform guide on the Perry site:

"2. English Khaki
Due to the lack of obtaining a satisfactory dye in England khaki only began to replace the grey uniforms in the Sudan in 1885. Not all regiments received it, and only a portion of some. The painting of the battle of Tofrek by C E Fripp shows the Berkshires in action in both uniforms."


Three examples of the grey uniform are highlighted with stars. Going from this period source, I'd say the grey uniforms were much paler, and with less blue in the grey than the way they are commonly painted on figures. Something to bear in mind.

I think I've got just the right triad worked out for the uniforms for the Serge. E-mail me if you want details.

Don't be confused by the two fellas in darker blue-grey on the right. They are in shirtsleeves order (the attack took place while the troops were working on a zariba).

Now that I didn't know.

As ever Plynkes, thankyou for your input  8)

Darrell.