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Title: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: joroas on 13 October 2008, 11:03:23 AM: Saw this advertised in the new edition of WI. there is a sourcebook and scenarios due out and flags for 13 different factions. There is no website for Solway games, but the flags are on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/20th-C-FLAGS-SCOTTISH-REPUBLIC-1938-BCW5_W0QQitemZ360091138505QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360091138505&_trkparms=72%3A1298%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

They are working on Battlefield signs for various parts of the UK. No mention of figures.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: 1ngram on 13 October 2008, 11:07:14 AM: I saw these at Skelp at the weekend and they are well printed. Being fantasy they cannot be faulted but beware their Russian flags! They are mainly incorrectly spelled cyrillic slogans. They also have the hammer and sickle rather than hammer and plough. Avoid.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: meadowsboy on 13 October 2008, 03:06:30 PM: Interesting idea and nice flags!

Crusader do some great early WW2 British troops would not be too hard converting a few standard bearers!

But I cannot start another project!!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 13 October 2008, 10:48:35 PM: sounds intersting
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 14 October 2008, 12:33:42 AM: Quote from: joroas on 13 October 2008, 11:03:23 AM
Saw this advertised in the new edition of WI. there is a sourcebook and scenarios due out and flags for 13 different factions. There is no website for Solway games, but the flags are on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/20th-C-FLAGS-SCOTTISH-REPUBLIC-1938-BCW5_W0QQitemZ360091138505QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item360091138505&_trkparms=72%3A1298%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

They are working on Battlefield signs for various parts of the UK. No mention of figures.
I couldn't find the advert. Are you sure it was WI?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Smith on 14 October 2008, 01:54:50 PM: page 73, bottom left corner, i think...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 14 October 2008, 07:50:29 PM: Quote from: Smith on 14 October 2008, 01:54:50 PM
page 73, bottom left corner, i think...
All I can find on the bottom of that page is an advert for Big Battalions. :(
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: joroas on 14 October 2008, 08:33:03 PM: November's issue!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Regulator on 14 October 2008, 08:45:27 PM: thanks! I deliberate, if I should buy these, because I nned some good flags...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360085430143&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=360091138505&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m184&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4#ebayphotohosting
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 14 October 2008, 09:12:38 PM: Quote from: joroas on 14 October 2008, 08:33:03 PM
November's issue!
Wow! My October issue says it isn't published again until the 16th. How did you get your hands on it? ???
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: joroas on 14 October 2008, 11:15:20 PM: I have a subscription, just as cheap and you get a couple of free figures. Oh, and you get the magazine early......... 8)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 14 October 2008, 11:22:19 PM: I get mine delivered by the local newsagent. Might re-think that plan. lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 15 October 2008, 01:48:53 AM: For the full range of flags etc....

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Solway-Crafts-and-Miniatures_W0QQfrsrcZ1QQfsubZ315642014QQtZkm (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Solway-Crafts-and-Miniatures_W0QQfrsrcZ1QQfsubZ315642014QQtZkm)

Thread concerning the scenario...

http://xsorbit28.com/users5/wargamesroom/index.php?PHPSESSID=e05857c8546de6e508fae0ada42f201f&topic=851.0 (http://xsorbit28.com/users5/wargamesroom/index.php?PHPSESSID=e05857c8546de6e508fae0ada42f201f&topic=851.0)

It's an interesting idea and there's plenty of figures suitable. The 1937 pattern battledress wasn't in wide spread issue until 1939 (many units went to France in 1940 in the earlier WW1 type uniform), so GWM et al's WW1 ranges are suitable, as are the Musketeer IWI range.

Besides conversion of civilian vehicles there'd be quite a motley collection of Army vehicles to choose from. The Matilda I was just entering service, but the MK2 was a long way off from production. Light MKVI's were pretty numerous and you'd get chance to use the Vickers Medium tank in anger too!

Rolls Royce, Crossley and other armoured cars, motorcycle infantry and a few different types of 'carrier' in limited numbers... Hawker Fury's, Harts and cutting edge Gloster Gladiators for you budding Biggles's out there :D

Nice concept, plenty of scope for the imagination.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: argsilverson on 15 October 2008, 11:53:43 AM: A civil war in a great power of the time, is a very interesting project. Although an alternative history it could have happened! Someone could also think to do similar projects in France, Germany (either supposing that there was an armed opposition to Hitler, or vice versa) or even think similar projects in more exotic places like Mexico/South America or South Africa.

Another interesting scenario could be something in India!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: meadowsboy on 15 October 2008, 01:08:04 PM: Thanks for the links, this is getting more interesting!

cheers

David
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 15 October 2008, 07:12:53 PM: hi all

Bill T from musketeer mentioned this to me today as a possible project for next year, and I think it's a genius idea

I've heard mention of a source book coming out soon, but I would be interested in finding out which rules people would use? I'm thinking of Disposable Heroes, or Rules of Engagements as 2 possibles

Mike
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 15 October 2008, 09:03:31 PM: Quote from: MikeH on 15 October 2008, 07:12:53 PM
hi all

Bill T from musketeer mentioned this to me today as a possible project for next year, and I think it's a genius idea

I've heard mention of a source book coming out soon, but I would be interested in finding out which rules people would use? I'm thinking of Disposable Heroes, or Rules of Engagements as 2 possibles

Mike

I gather that the sourcebook is purely background, with no preference towards a particular set of rules. So whichever is your preferred set of rules for whatever level of gaming you prefer should be fine.

I'd not considered a British Civil War myself before this to be honest, though I'd contemplated an earlier WW2 scenario based on the war starting in 1936 following the occupation of the Rhineland by Germany. This is a very different proposition to a standard WW2 scenario as the armies involved were fundamentally different to those of 1940.

I'm intrigued by the possibility of a 'Liverpool Free State' force... "Come'ed Comrades!" lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 15 October 2008, 09:35:43 PM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 15 October 2008, 09:03:31 PM

I'd not considered a British Civil War myself before this to be honest, though I'd contemplated an earlier WW2 scenario based on the war starting in 1936 following the occupation of the Rhineland by Germany. This is a very different proposition to a standard WW2 scenario as the armies involved were fundamentally different to those of 1940.

I'm intrigued by the possibility of a 'Liverpool Free State' force... "Come'ed Comrades!" lol

Hi Jim

oh now thats an interesting one as well, however for British Civil War I'd have to think about staying local and doing a "United State of Rhondda" militia unit. all armed with picks and shovels and carrying davy lamps
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: meadowsboy on 16 October 2008, 08:17:51 AM: Strange, I was thinking the same about a North Notts miners unit battling against a Royalist/Facist unit equipped with Anglian Miniatures pretty panzer 1.

Just need some heads with miners helmets!

I can see me getting carried away with this.....

cheers

David
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: argsilverson on 16 October 2008, 09:14:05 AM: Another interesting scenario could be derived by the book:
"The plot against America" by Philip Roth, with US turning facist after the election of Charles Lindbergh as president (1936) .

Imafine a setting with US and Britain under facist rule or/and in some or all of them in a new civil war!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 16 October 2008, 10:50:48 AM: Quote from: argsilverson on 16 October 2008, 09:14:05 AM
Another interesting scenario could be derived by the book:
"The plot against America" by Philip Roth, with US turning facist after the election of Charles Lindbergh as president (1936) .

Imafine a setting with US and Britain under facist rule or/and in some or all of them in a new civil war!

Harry Turtledove wrote an excellent and mammoth series on an alternate USA where the South won the first Civil War after Britain sides with it. He followed it through the First World War and to its conclusion after a Second World War.

Although most of the series concentrates on the US, there is some background etc on what else is going on in the world, such as; Germany never becomes Nazi, Britain becomes a right wing (fascist even) aggressor after losing WW1. There are plenty of plot twists and some excellent cameos of famous americans and what they may have become.

If you fancy reading the whole series, "How few remain" is the first book, set in 1881. These books are very different to his "World War" series and other sci-fi offerings; no aliens, no time-travel, just a re-telling of history through the eyes of a variety of key characters (and their descendants in some cases).

Quote from: meadowsboy on 16 October 2008, 08:17:51 AM
Strange, I was thinking the same about a North Notts miners unit battling against a Royalist/Facist unit equipped with Anglian Miniatures pretty panzer 1.

Just need some heads with miners helmets!

I can see me getting carried away with this.....

cheers

David

Obviously with an alternate history, you can go where you will, but I'm not certain there would be a need for Germany to supply tanks. Unlike 1930's Spain, Britain did have an armoured force and an industrial capacity to produce many more. Presuming that areas, whatever their political position, gain a roughly even split of the army and manufacturing capacity, then they all have the capacity to produce and field them.

Having said that, Germany might be trying to tilt the balance by supplying more, as would Russia and possibly France, resulting in this becoming essentially another SCW with worse weather lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 16 October 2008, 01:18:02 PM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 16 October 2008, 10:50:48 AM
resulting in this becoming essentially another SCW with worse weather lol

that has got to be the quote of the week :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 16 October 2008, 01:40:34 PM: Quote from: MikeH on 16 October 2008, 01:18:02 PM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 16 October 2008, 10:50:48 AM
resulting in this becoming essentially another SCW with worse weather lol

that has got to be the quote of the week :D

Thanks, I'm still picturing an Anglian Miniatures pack "Anarchist militia in duffle-coats and scarves"
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Paul E on 16 October 2008, 03:48:55 PM: You chaps may wish to look on here. ;)

http://xsorbit28.com/users5/wargamesroom/index.php?topic=851.0
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 16 October 2008, 04:07:27 PM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 16 October 2008, 01:40:34 PM
Thanks, I'm still picturing an Anglian Miniatures pack "Anarchist militia in duffle-coats and scarves"

I'll mention it to Bill from MM, he's always after ideas for figures ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 16 October 2008, 06:17:49 PM: Quote from: MikeH on 16 October 2008, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 16 October 2008, 01:40:34 PM
Thanks, I'm still picturing an Anglian Miniatures pack "Anarchist militia in duffle-coats and scarves"

I'll mention it to Bill from MM, he's always after ideas for figures ;)

Some ideas are best left at that :D

Actually some more RIC without the officer type might be useful as would regulars with a Lewis gun. Mounted yoemanry, bicycle infantry, allsorts really, crack the whip!

Nice to see you over at GWP btw, we must have joined within seconds of each other :)

I might outdo you on the butterflyism though... is there an insect that flutters about but never actually lands on anything though... a moth :?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 17 October 2008, 05:15:07 AM: Vary intersting, I as reading on the link that they were planeing of produceing a book to go along with it. Any one know when that book might come out, who is makeing it and how can I get my hands on a copy?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: meadowsboy on 17 October 2008, 08:42:38 AM: Check out the early war (WW2) British offers on Crusader Miniatures just right for this! Tempting!

Must stick to one thing!

cheers

David
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 17 October 2008, 11:17:52 AM: Quote from: commissarmoody on 17 October 2008, 05:15:07 AM
Vary intersting, I as reading on the link that they were planeing of produceing a book to go along with it. Any one know when that book might come out, who is makeing it and how can I get my hands on a copy?

No idea when it's due out, or who will print it, probably the same guy who is selling the flags, who has an e-bay shop. See the links I put up earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: argsilverson on 17 October 2008, 11:45:05 AM: Just found this in MMforum:

http://www.musketeer-miniatures.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=353
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 17 October 2008, 03:33:36 PM: Gentlemen.

Have finally got around to joining this fine site.

I am one of the loons who came up with the alternate 1938 idea (but not Simon, the chap who makes the flags). I'll try and answer some of the questions that have cropped up.

MORE DETAILS - See the links to the Gentleman's Wargames Parlour discussions. I also posted some pictures of one of our games on the Musketeer Miniatures forum (the link has already been posted up on here).
SOURCE BOOK - Will indeed be fluff only. The aim is to allow the gamer's imagination to be sparked and then run free in terms of scale and rule-sets. So it will be the history form 1936 to 1938, a series of descriptions of the main factions and a number of scenarios designed to give a flavour of the conflict.
PUBLICATION DATE - We are hoping to have it out by the end of January, in time for our demo game at the Crusade show in Penarth.
FIGURES - We've been using the IWI range from Musketeer, the SCW range from Anglian and various bits and bobs and head swaps. There's plenty of stuff out there. None of the three of us who are behind this are figure designers so you are unlikely to see a set of '1938 A very British Civil War' miniatures being produced (unless some of you out there, and you know who you are, fancy chatting to us and giving it a go ;))

So that's it really. I'm mighty pleased that so many people have been caught up in this idea. It only started as an excuse to buy two different ranges of figures and use them together!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 17 October 2008, 04:24:10 PM: Welcome and thanks for that. :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 17 October 2008, 10:21:07 PM: well I have already took a bit out of that hook and orderd some of MMs IWI range of minis. Once I get some more of the source mitiural out of ou guys, I am thinking of useing my old VOR rule set for the skermishes.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 19 October 2008, 10:53:58 AM: Well it's sparked mine and Bills (from Musketeer Miniatures) interest as well

so I think my unit of "The People's Liberation Front of Cwmbach" and of course the splitter organisation of "the Cwmbach People's Front" will be marching down the valley's towards Cardiff in the New year
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 19 October 2008, 01:24:51 PM: Quote from: MikeH on 19 October 2008, 10:53:58 AM
Well it's sparked mine and Bills (from Musketeer Miniatures) interest as well

so I think my unit of "The People's Liberation Front of Cwmbach" and of course the splitter organisation of "the Cwmbach People's Front" will be marching down the valley's towards Cardiff in the New year

Cwbach People's Front? Splitters!

Maybe it will prompt Bill to commission some more IWI figures, civvy support weapons (Lewis gun teams, Vickers teams, mortar crews and maybe even gun crews), as well as more armed RIC police types. With a few exceptions, such general purpose types will be usable for the UK or IWI.

The Anglian SCW are mostly way too Spanish imo, its Trilby's and flat caps all round here... so maybe a head set would be good, anyone?

Obviously it would have to be commercially viable, I appreciate that.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 19 October 2008, 01:29:28 PM: Mort has been doing head swaps with the SCW figures. He's found that a beret or a tin helmet makes a huge amount of differrence (have a look at his piccies on the GWP site for examples). he's also swapped out some weapons, giving officers webleys as opposed to those fancy automatic things, and some Tommy bguns are also in evidence.

That being said if Paul would like to produce a set of heads in trilbies and or flat caps would prove useful (and the former are a pretty universal piece of headgear).
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 19 October 2008, 03:38:06 PM: I am down with the seprate heads and the idea of civ heavy wepons teams with vickers, moters and lewis guns, Maby even toss in a few guys with tommy guns and some oher earler submachin guns.
SO more RIC are also in order.
If this works out I might have my guys serve dubble duty as sparicats in and Red militia for my Frikorp stuff also.
What submachen guns were the Reguler army useing at around that time?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 19 October 2008, 03:40:27 PM: Thompsons I think. Stens are definitely too late
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 19 October 2008, 06:20:09 PM: ok then get a few thompsons, I am trying to think of oher readaly avalaby guns for import then. What was that Czech designed one that the SS really liked for its realabilty?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 19 October 2008, 06:32:06 PM: Perhaps the ZK-383?

(Listen to me, soundfsd like I kno0w what I'm talking about! NOt bad for a medieval historian ;D)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 19 October 2008, 07:33:50 PM: Quote from: commissarmoody on 19 October 2008, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: wardlaw on 19 October 2008, 03:40:27 PM
Thompsons I think. Stens are definitely too late
What submachen guns were the Reguler army useing at around that time?

Sorry guys, but as far as I am aware, the British Army showed no interest at all in SMG's until after Dunkirk. The IRA used the odd Thompson of the stereotypical 'gangster' round drum type and no doubt an MP18 or two.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 19 October 2008, 08:07:08 PM: oh right. Fair enough.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: xeoran on 19 October 2008, 08:17:29 PM: Tommy guns only turn up in 1940 with their first use being in the French Campaign of '40. The only SMG I know was used in this period was the Lancaster (sometimes called the Rolls Royce of SMG's). Various naval chappies seem to have been equipped with the Lancaster but I'm not sure precisely which groups and units because rum and sodomy was never my thing.

However...

Considering the fighting breaks out in 37 or so its entirely possible that a) Govt. troops have nicked SMG's off those dirty revolutionary types b) The Lancaster has been handed to the Regulars c) The Govt. have realised the deficiency and bought job lots d) Supporting Fascists/Nazis/Right-Wing types have provided them.

Also just to have fun I'd love to see an International Brigade...fighting for Mosely and his bully-boys. Get all the Irish/Spanish/Italian/German/French right wingers and bung them in a unit. My other suggestion would be to involve US Intelligence who were somewhat famously massively anti-Semitic at the time. No doubt should Mosely suggest being beastly to the Jews or if they thought there was a chance they could do so then they might get involved or at least cheer the Blackshorts on. Perhaps the only other thing to say is that Mosely won't take kindly to German/Italian attempts to run the country or take any real form of power. The man had some extremely distasteful views but he was an out and out patriot.

I've got one question- will we start seeing the sort of Left wing beastliness too- gulags, Commissars, murdering priests and capitalists etc? Or will this be played (in true English fashion) rather more sportingly (thereby making the book nice and friendly)?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 19 October 2008, 09:54:21 PM: erm *polite cough* it's Lanchester. Which is a copy of the MP28 made for the RAF.

In any case, I don't think it's unconceivable that SMG's would turn up from various sources, I imagine it would be a boom era for gun-running and I can't see the establishment sticking to rifles for long when the opposition starts using SMG's.

While it's accurate to say certain things weren't used before x, it's important to remember that this scenario changes everything. British re-armament and re-organisation came about from the re-occupation of the Rhineland in 1936 and perceiving Hitler as a inevitable threat - The same year as this alternate history scenario begins.

This implies two things to me;

a) As the Government is essentially fascist in outlook, the Nazis are no longer the threat they were and there is no real immediate threat of a European war, therefore no rushed re-armament.

b) There is a resistance to the Government building and the new focus will be on maintaining public order & 'The King's Peace' - the very role the War Department had envisaged for the armed forces prior to 1936.

Now where it goes from there is anybody's guess and we have the freedom to do as we will. So me or anyone else saying 'not before 1940' etc. is pretty irrelevant really, we've changed it to 'not before 1936'.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: xeoran on 19 October 2008, 10:11:42 PM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 19 October 2008, 09:54:21 PM
erm *polite cough* it's Lanchester. Which is a copy of the MP28 made for the RAF.

Whoops...

I think another point to mention is that if these nasty Fascists/Commies are backing the opposing sides then they'll probably be bunging job lots of kit across the oceans (The Peoples Naval Front of Grimsby) so the various sides will end up with assorted Italian, Soviet, German SMG's and so on.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 19 October 2008, 10:25:55 PM: Quote from: xeoran on 19 October 2008, 10:11:42 PM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 19 October 2008, 09:54:21 PM
erm *polite cough* it's Lanchester. Which is a copy of the MP28 made for the RAF.

Whoops...

I think another point to mention is that if these nasty Fascists/Commies are backing the opposing sides then they'll probably be bunging job lots of kit across the oceans (The Peoples Naval Front of Grimsby) so the various sides will end up with assorted Italian, Soviet, German SMG's and so on.

And the French, don't forget the French.... they'll, erm, well... they'll really be in trouble now lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: xeoran on 20 October 2008, 01:04:49 PM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 19 October 2008, 10:25:55 PM
And the French, don't forget the French.... they'll, erm, well... they'll really be in trouble now lol

Oh no! Not more Chauchats!* :o

*Or however you spell it.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 30 October 2008, 12:58:31 PM: The idea behind my first planned scenario for this Civil War is a bit of "arms importing" from somewhere non-specific for the local Left-Wing faction, with a police/BUF attempt to stop it.
What should be on the ship? Small arms, machine guns, light artillery, explosives?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Priest on 30 October 2008, 02:49:30 PM: Hi,
Sounds like it could be fun. But, I wonder, why 1938? I would have thought 1921 would have been easier, both figure wise and historically.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 30 October 2008, 06:35:55 PM: Quote from: Priest on 30 October 2008, 02:49:30 PM
why 1938?

Because of the Abdication crosos surrounding Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 06 November 2008, 11:23:54 AM: Hi all, a newbie to the forum here although some will know me from elsewhere.

This whole 1938 ECW thing has got me quite excited. I've been out of the gaming scene for several years due to other commitments, but this has got me back into it. I've already put together a small Marxist Militia that I plan to battle with against Mr Hicks' Fascists. Here's some pics of my little band of men :

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/Ookthespur/Painted%20Figures/MarxistGrp1.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/Ookthespur/Painted%20Figures/MarxistGrp2.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/Ookthespur/Painted%20Figures/MarxistGrp3.jpg)

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff317/Ookthespur/Painted%20Figures/MarxistGrp4.jpg)

As you can see, I've mainly used the excellent Anglian SCW figures with a couple of Musketeer IWI ones too (both perfect for this). I've a bunch more waiting to be painted, but these will get me started.

Apologies to anyone who's seen these on other forums.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 06 November 2008, 11:25:24 AM: Oops. Why no pics ? Dropped them in from Photobucket and they work elsewhere >:(

Anybody know why ?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Captain Blood on 06 November 2008, 11:35:49 AM: Hi there Ook. Welcome to Lead Adventure! ;)

I use Photobucket to display pics here and it always works... assume you are pasting in the image code straight to your message? V odd... ???

Yes, I'm getting quite interested in this alternative 1938 history scenario too... Though I currently need another period like a hole in the head! But it is rather alluring, and I'm loving a lot of the stuff I'm seeing on this...

Of course, we're not Spain or Germany... It could never have happened here... Could it? ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 06 November 2008, 12:26:56 PM: Quote from: Captain Blood on 06 November 2008, 11:35:49 AM
Hi there Ook. Welcome to Lead Adventure! ;)

I use Photobucket to display pics here and it always works... assume you are pasting in the image code straight to your message? V odd... ???

Yes, I'm getting quite interested in this alternative 1938 history scenario too... Though I currently need another period like a hole in the head! But it is rather alluring, and I'm loving a lot of the stuff I'm seeing on this...

Of course, we're not Spain or Germany... It could never have happened here... Could it? ;)

Hi Capt

Yes, am doing exactly what you said with the image code. I'll edit the original post and see what happens.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 06 November 2008, 12:38:11 PM: Quote from: Ook on 06 November 2008, 12:26:56 PM
Quote from: Captain Blood on 06 November 2008, 11:35:49 AM
Hi there Ook. Welcome to Lead Adventure! ;)

I use Photobucket to display pics here and it always works... assume you are pasting in the image code straight to your message? V odd... ???

Yes, I'm getting quite interested in this alternative 1938 history scenario too... Though I currently need another period like a hole in the head! But it is rather alluring, and I'm loving a lot of the stuff I'm seeing on this...

Of course, we're not Spain or Germany... It could never have happened here... Could it? ;)

Hi Capt

Yes, am doing exactly what you said with the image code. I'll edit the original post and see what happens.
Okay, got it sorted. For some reason I had an addition [img] at the beginning and end of each line.

Comments welcome.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Saya on 06 November 2008, 06:07:33 PM: wow man, very good combination of Anglian and Musketeer miniatures !!
congratulations!!!!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 28 November 2008, 01:48:31 PM: Just as an update to all chaps here, the book is in the process of being proof-read now, and we are aiming for a release (through Solway Miniatures) by the end of December or beginning of January. It will most definitely be available for our launch game at Penarth's Crusade show at the end of January.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: argsilverson on 28 November 2008, 03:52:15 PM: Quote from: Saya on 06 November 2008, 06:07:33 PM
wow man, very good combination of Anglian and Musketeer miniatures !!
congratulations!!!!

see also the new NorthStar International brigades with lots of variations.
I think that the combination of Anglian, Musketeer minis and NorthStar will be awesome
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on 28 November 2008, 11:01:16 PM: Hi,
Have found this discussion to be very interesting and will be keeping my eye out for the sourcebook in Jan.

Have you elaborated on the Scottish "front" at all - I see you have flags for scottish units??????

In my research into the British International brigaders for SCW games I came across the history of one chap who fought in Spain (Bob Cooney) but who was also involved in street fights with Mosley's fascists in 1937 in Aberdeen of all places (and which involved and armour plated van!).

Now that was news to me - I'd previously thought that only went on in London.

Anyway the background sounds wonderful and I'm looking forward to reading more - good luck!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 29 November 2008, 12:46:53 AM: Quote from: Emir of Askaristan on 28 November 2008, 11:01:16 PM
Hi,
Have found this discussion to be very interesting and will be keeping my eye out for the sourcebook in Jan.

Have you elaborated on the Scottish "front" at all - I see you have flags for scottish units??????

In my research into the British International brigaders for SCW games I came across the history of one chap who fought in Spain (Bob Cooney) but who was also involved in street fights with Mosley's fascists in 1937 in Aberdeen of all places (and which involved and armour plated van!).

Now that was news to me - I'd previously thought that only went on in London.

Anyway the background sounds wonderful and I'm looking forward to reading more - good luck!

All I know is that Scotland gains its independence from the UK. The Sourcebook is due at Solway Crafts and Miniatures around the 20th December.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Solway-Crafts-and-Miniatures (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Solway-Crafts-and-Miniatures)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 29 November 2008, 01:01:41 AM: Any information on what happens to Wales in this sourcebook? I know when the Labour party started they were in favour of Welsh independence. I have an idea of a Welsh Miners, Steelworkers and Railwayworkers Nationalist Socialist Militia, who would actually be socialists not facists. Think miners helmets and armoured trains. 8)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 29 November 2008, 09:29:58 AM: Yep. Wales features too. Won't go into details (you'll have to buy the book ;)) but think north/south divide with miners in the middle.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 29 November 2008, 10:40:44 AM: Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 29 November 2008, 01:01:41 AM
Any information on what happens to Wales in this sourcebook? I know when the Labour party started they were in favour of Welsh independence. I have an idea of a Welsh Miners, Steelworkers and Railwayworkers Nationalist Socialist Militia, who would actually be socialists not facists. Think miners helmets and armoured trains. 8)

Mike Hobbs is setting up a scenario over on The Gentleman's Wargames Parlour concerning Wales;

http://xsorbit28.com/users5/wargamesroom/index.php?topic=1794.0

The period is starting to take off, Ian Armstrong (BAM) is in the process of making a Carden-Loyd Tankette, Paul Hicks has made some masters for the BUF, Bill at Musketeer is set to add some figures to the IWI range and last but not least, Simon at Solway has produced faction flags and will be selling the sourcebook!

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0001-12.jpg)

(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0003-6.jpg)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: WillieB on 29 November 2008, 12:02:46 PM: Now, with very few small alterations these chaps would be perfect for Spanish Civil War infantry in guerrera tunic. Hint, hint... ;D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Wirelizard on 29 November 2008, 11:13:07 PM: I could see picking those BUF figures up for "generic pulp troops" too - Glorious Dictatorship of Greater Ruritania or whatever... nifty!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 30 November 2008, 02:33:18 AM: You simply have to have Miners battalions wearing helmets and the old work dress, definately Socialist in origin with the Unions backing them

wearing these

(http://www.pznow.co.uk/attractions/images/helmetfront.jpg)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:40:53 AM: Quote from: Lowtardog on 30 November 2008, 02:33:18 AM
You simply have to have Miners battalions wearing helmets and the old work dress, definately Socialist in origin with the Unions backing them

wearing these

(http://www.pznow.co.uk/attractions/images/helmetfront.jpg)

You share my vision. lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 30 November 2008, 03:02:22 PM: Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:40:53 AM
You share my vision. lol

I've been talking to BillT about getting some head swap sprues made up for his IWI figures and miners helmets are on the top of the list

so hopefully he'll do them soon ;)

on another note, twrchtrwyth where in Wales are you based? we are in the Aberdare area if you fancy a game
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:23:45 PM: I'm in Dinbych, North East, but I used to live in Pontarddulais when I was a small child. Thanks for the invite, but you know how wonderful the roads are between North and South.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 01 December 2008, 01:38:27 AM: Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:23:45 PM
I'm in Dinbych, North East, but I used to live in Pontarddulais when I was a small child. Thanks for the invite, but you know how wonderful the roads are between North and South.

Not far from me then, I'm in Ellesmere Port :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 01 December 2008, 08:45:35 AM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 01 December 2008, 01:38:27 AM
Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:23:45 PM
I'm in Dinbych, North East, but I used to live in Pontarddulais when I was a small child. Thanks for the invite, but you know how wonderful the roads are between North and South.

Not far from me then, I'm in Ellesmere Port :)

maybe we should arrange to meet up somewhere in the middle then ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 01 December 2008, 12:25:29 PM: Quote from: MikeH on 01 December 2008, 08:45:35 AM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 01 December 2008, 01:38:27 AM
Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:23:45 PM
I'm in Dinbych, North East, but I used to live in Pontarddulais when I was a small child. Thanks for the invite, but you know how wonderful the roads are between North and South.

Not far from me then, I'm in Ellesmere Port :)

maybe we should arrange to meet up somewhere in the middle then ;)

Cross the border??? :o

I'm planning on coming down to the Penarth Show for a looksee and to put some names to faces... maybe even buy some figures...

Feeling a bit giddy now.... o_o
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 01 December 2008, 11:13:29 PM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 01 December 2008, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: MikeH on 01 December 2008, 08:45:35 AM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 01 December 2008, 01:38:27 AM
Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:23:45 PM
I'm in Dinbych, North East, but I used to live in Pontarddulais when I was a small child. Thanks for the invite, but you know how wonderful the roads are between North and South.

Not far from me then, I'm in Ellesmere Port :)
Are you suggesting CLAM??

maybe we should arrange to meet up somewhere in the middle then ;)

Cross the border??? :o

I'm planning on coming down to the Penarth Show for a looksee and to put some names to faces... maybe even buy some figures...

Feeling a bit giddy now.... o_o
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Musketeer on 01 December 2008, 11:30:11 PM: The perfect time to meet up as there will be a 1938 demo game on. :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 02 December 2008, 02:03:02 AM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 01 December 2008, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: MikeH on 01 December 2008, 08:45:35 AM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 01 December 2008, 01:38:27 AM
Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 30 November 2008, 04:23:45 PM
I'm in Dinbych, North East, but I used to live in Pontarddulais when I was a small child. Thanks for the invite, but you know how wonderful the roads are between North and South.

Not far from me then, I'm in Ellesmere Port :)

maybe we should arrange to meet up somewhere in the middle then ;)

Cross the border??? :o

I'm planning on coming down to the Penarth Show for a looksee and to put some names to faces... maybe even buy some figures...

Feeling a bit giddy now.... o_o

(I'll try that again, lol.)

Are you suggesting CLAM??
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 02 December 2008, 10:56:12 AM: CLAM sounds better than CAAC (Cymraeg arwain anturiaeth chwrdd) lol

Quote from: Musketeer on 01 December 2008, 11:30:11 PM
The perfect time to meet up as there will be a 1938 demo game on. :)

I thought so too :-)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 02 December 2008, 11:08:34 AM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 02 December 2008, 10:56:12 AM
CLAM sounds better than CAAC (Cymraeg arwain anturiaeth chwrdd) lol

Do you mean, Cyfarfod Anturiaethau Plwm Cymru, CAPC? Those internet translators really give some odd translations. ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 02 December 2008, 11:50:41 AM: Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 02 December 2008, 11:08:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 02 December 2008, 10:56:12 AM
CLAM sounds better than CAAC (Cymraeg arwain anturiaeth chwrdd) lol

Do you mean, Cyfarfod Anturiaethau Plwm Cymru, CAPC? Those internet translators really give some odd translations. ;)

Well it's these Welsh, they have a different word for everything :D

CAPC wasn't remotely funny though, so I might've changed a word or two around ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 03 December 2008, 03:20:49 AM: Quote from: Jim Hale on 02 December 2008, 11:50:41 AM
Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 02 December 2008, 11:08:34 AM
Quote from: Jim Hale on 02 December 2008, 10:56:12 AM
CLAM sounds better than CAAC (Cymraeg arwain anturiaeth chwrdd) lol

Do you mean, Cyfarfod Anturiaethau Plwm Cymru, CAPC? Those internet translators really give some odd translations. ;)

Well it's these Welsh, they have a different word for everything :D

CAPC wasn't remotely funny though, so I might've changed a word or two around ;)
lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 16 December 2008, 05:36:51 PM: Hi guys
Anyone else having probs getting on to GWP today?
Just to let the good folk of this site know we will be taking orders on the 1938 source book from later tonight on the Solway Crafts and Miniatures ebay shop.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 16 December 2008, 10:51:59 PM: Yes Simon... I'm just getting a page load error. Obviously a ploy by the BUF to limit the transfer of information ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 16 December 2008, 11:00:00 PM: Just placed my order. I think I might be the first one? 8)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 16 December 2008, 11:17:05 PM: Quote from: twrchtrwyth on 16 December 2008, 11:00:00 PM
Just placed my order. I think I might be the first one? 8)

Well that's two sold then. Looks very presentable from the pics too. :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: the commissar on 17 December 2008, 12:43:40 AM: Make that three.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 12:57:57 AM: Guys thanks for your enthusiasm
Hopefully you should have them in your hands Monday/Tues but as said elsewhere its all on the post office! We actually get delivery on Friday instead of Monday which at least gives us a fighting chance!
The photos are of the proof the only difference will be a stiffer cover on your copies.
As our first effort im a bit pleased but ill await the verdict of our eager readers.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: wardlaw on 17 December 2008, 08:03:57 AM: This is aall very good news. As Si says, cheers for your support chaps.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: MikeH on 17 December 2008, 01:38:51 PM: ordered mine, looking forward to having a good read
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 06:52:31 PM: What -ho chaps
GWP going down to coincide with our book release is rather annoying but hey! Sales doing quite nicely anyway. I was speaking to Crouchie last night and he has plans for a Austin 7 . Anglian miniatures is also experiencing a surge in militia figure sales! Could 1938 be the answer to the credit crunch!!!!?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 09:29:21 PM: Reders of this Forum might be interested to know that there is some talk of a large 1938 game possibly to be held at the commandery in Worcester. as well as being Chas II's HQ in 1651 it is fairly central since we got players in Kent, Cardiff and Scotland to name a few.
Basically Mort's (with Rob my co authors of the source book) idea was to get as many interested parties together as possible, a chance to show our bright and shiny militias, put faces to names and (my take) to help shape the way the project proceeds. More news as it happens!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 11:09:47 PM: Chieftain is considering the possibility of a bus for 1938 if he gets 20 plus interested.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 18 December 2008, 01:00:09 AM: All sounds good, I was expecting a take-off from the Penarth show onwards as word got round, but hey.

Anyone know what the problem is with GWP... two nights its been down now, I need my fix :(
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 18 December 2008, 01:28:52 AM: Sorry, but what's GWP?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 18 December 2008, 08:15:45 AM: GWP is Gentlemens Wargames Parlour - a forum. The site is still down though today.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Keith on 18 December 2008, 09:09:03 AM: Quote from: Ook on 18 December 2008, 08:15:45 AM
GWP is Gentlemens Wargames Parlour - a forum. The site is still down though today.
Problem with the Xsorbit servers by the looks of things -a few Xsorbit forums are down at the moment :'(
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Musketeer on 18 December 2008, 09:25:18 AM: Just ordered mine too! GWP being down is rather inconvenient though.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 18 December 2008, 11:53:27 AM: Apparently this is not uncommon with xsorbit, for a variety of reasons... gone for a few days then back with no explanation... or not at all in some cases.

Hopefully it's temporary. Most of the folks there are members here, so we wont lose touch, but it's like drinking in the same pub all the time, if you know what I mean :?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 18 December 2008, 08:21:36 PM: Still looking at Crusade for the launch as such. Certainly it will be the first chance the general wargaming public gets to see the project in action.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 18 December 2008, 09:34:17 PM: I see Gripping Beast/Woodbine are doing some seperate heads.
Including Naval Caps ( Liverpool free State?) Service Caps, Tin Hats and stahlheims (Irish Imports?)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 18 December 2008, 10:56:03 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 18 December 2008, 09:34:17 PM
I see Gripping Beast/Woodbine are doing some seperate heads.
Including Naval Caps ( Liverpool free State?) Service Caps, Tin Hats and stahlheims (Irish Imports?)

There is quite a selection... tin helmets, slouch hats, the Canadian type hat they are calling a lemon squeezer as well as the ones you mentioned.

No flat caps though :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 18 December 2008, 11:09:47 PM: Nor the much required Bowler or Police helmet! hint! hint!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 18 December 2008, 11:12:56 PM: How late did the Canadians have the 'Lemon Sqeezers'? Anyone Know?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: the commissar on 18 December 2008, 11:41:16 PM: I thought the Lemon Squeezer was worn by New Zealanders - they were still wearing it in early WW2
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 19 December 2008, 12:46:00 AM: Quote from: Keith on 18 December 2008, 09:09:03 AM
Quote from: Ook on 18 December 2008, 08:15:45 AM
GWP is Gentlemens Wargames Parlour - a forum. The site is still down though today.
Problem with the Xsorbit servers by the looks of things -a few Xsorbit forums are down at the moment :'(

As long as the problem is only temporary... I trust I will be able to make the carolling rounds before, and not after, Christmas.
I'm pretty sure I left my songbook at the virtual bar. ::)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 19 December 2008, 01:21:48 AM: Quote from: the commissar on 18 December 2008, 11:41:16 PM
I thought the Lemon Squeezer was worn by New Zealanders - they were still wearing it in early WW2

It's known by many names... but yes the New Zealanders wore it. A Montana (peak) Hat or Stetson is what I believe it is called in the USA.

Quote from: Hastings on 18 December 2008, 11:12:56 PM
How late did the Canadians have the 'Lemon Sqeezers'? Anyone Know?

The RCMP/GRC still wear it on Parade, but I believe it was phased out after WW1 for the Cavalry. The Cap was used I believe, as in the British Army.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: winterborn on 19 December 2008, 12:43:04 PM: Love the idea. Itching to do neo-Jacobites supporting the Stuart pretender.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Will Bailie on 19 December 2008, 04:24:06 PM: Quote
I thought the Lemon Squeezer was worn by New Zealanders - they were still wearing it in early WW2

It's known by many names... but yes the New Zealanders wore it. A Montana (peak) Hat or Stetson is what I believe it is called in the USA.

Quote from: Hastings on Today at 12:12:56 AM
How late did the Canadians have the 'Lemon Sqeezers'? Anyone Know?

The RCMP/GRC still wear it on Parade, but I believe it was phased out after WW1 for the Cavalry. The Cap was used I believe, as in the British Army.

The Kiwi lemon squeezer and the RCMP Stetson are slightly different hats - the lemon squeezer having a narrower brim but looking a bit "pointy-er" on top:
(http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms/21st.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Nwmp_1900.jpg)

The Canadians started wearing the Stetson about the time of the South African War. It was used by Cavalry, Mounted Rifles and Mounties. Canadian Army discontinued use of the Stetson by the end of WWI, so after the war it became associated exclusively with the RCMP and other police (in Canada, anyway - it is still used by State police forces and USMC in the USA).

More on the Stetson in the Canadian army here:
http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/exhibitions/boer/stetsonhat_e.shtml
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 19 December 2008, 07:47:43 PM: Neo- Jacobites that will probably be a branch of the Nationalist Alba Militia. Often at loggerheads with 'The Sons of the Covenant'. the Scottish government deals with these rival factions by exporting them to England!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 19 December 2008, 08:37:23 PM: If we go for this big game in Worcester anyone got preferences for date?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ray Rivers on 19 December 2008, 08:39:59 PM: We need a mini of "Sergeant Noodles"... :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 19 December 2008, 08:57:40 PM: Quote from: Ray Rivers on 19 December 2008, 08:39:59 PM
We need a mini of "Sergeant Noodles"... :D
Who?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Will Bailie on 19 December 2008, 09:56:53 PM: Quote
We need a mini of "Sergeant Noodles"...

Who?

See the photo of the Kiwi soldiers higher up on this page - Sgt Noodles is smiling for the camera in the front rank of the marching soldiers
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 19 December 2008, 10:21:10 PM: Quote from: Will Bailie on 19 December 2008, 09:56:53 PM
Quote
We need a mini of "Sergeant Noodles"...

Who?

See the photo of the Kiwi soldiers higher up on this page - Sgt Noodles is smiling for the camera in the front rank of the marching soldiers

That'll be the dog then ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 20 December 2008, 12:04:49 PM: Its Crouchies fault.

He just asks if anyone would be interested in 1938 3rd ECW on his yahoo group and it piques my interest.

then I saw a link on frothers to the ebay sales and oh bother.. a must have purchase.

I am eagerly awaitimg its arrival, and to see what happens to the Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire. lol ;)

Nice to be here.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 20 December 2008, 04:14:24 PM: Exellent news dont think we've heard much about the situation in Yorkshire yet
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 20 December 2008, 05:29:03 PM: It's a Dam' tempting setting. Lovely buildings, minis, vehicles and what a story! :-*
Maybe next year after I've painted, built and played with all my Vietnam toys.... o_o

Always wanted a Great War army, but this would be so much neater...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 20 December 2008, 05:36:47 PM: I have been doing some pre receipt research....

Bristol Bulldogs, and WW1 biplanes in use until 1938 in the Uk at least...

Oh fun
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 20 December 2008, 06:03:16 PM: Oh yeah, there is just sooo much cool late WWI & between the wars stuff that could be put on the table.
Ripe with possibilities.
Rather 'pulpy' ones too.... ;) Heck I would run a Call of Cthulhu campaign in this setting.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 20 December 2008, 10:10:22 PM: Quote from: Bungle on 20 December 2008, 05:36:47 PM
I have been doing some pre receipt research....

Bristol Bulldogs, and WW1 biplanes in use until 1938 in the Uk at least...

Oh fun

The Hawker Fury and Hart were the main Fighter and Light Bomber in use at the time, but the Hurricane and Gladiator were just entering service.

Some really neat vehicles too... Ian Armstrong is working on a Carden-Loyd Tankette, Copplestone have a Vickers Medium and Chieftain do Vickers Light Tanks... and there's plenty more to choose from.

Figures wise you can use either WWI British or WW2 British, or both, as well as the Musketeer IRA etc for local militias.

You're really spoilt for choice. :D

Quote from: Mr. Peabody on 20 December 2008, 06:03:16 PM
Oh yeah, there is just sooo much cool late WWI & between the wars stuff that could be put on the table.
Ripe with possibilities.
Rather 'pulpy' ones too.... ;) Heck I would run a Call of Cthulhu campaign in this setting.

Yep, pretty much limited only by your imagination ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 20 December 2008, 10:32:10 PM: If any Americans fancy doing something similar... i would suggest getting "back in the USSA" by Kim Newman and Eugene Byrne to plunder for possible causes for background.

Its a load of alternate reality stories set in the US as it has a communist revolution as a result of WW1. Russia stays Tsarist.

quite fun.

The "teddy bears picnic" is Vietnam with British 1970's sitcom characters .... Likley Lads and Butler from on the busses. With some fun touches.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 21 December 2008, 02:09:39 AM: I recommend Harry Turtledove's 'Settling Accounts' Series... The War Between the States in the 1940's. It follows on from his Great War Series and the start of the timeline in 'How Few remain'.

Very believable and well thought out, providing you can accept that the South won the first Civil War. :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 21 December 2008, 01:50:09 PM: We also included some Americans in 1938 A Very British Civil War.
They are in the Freebooters section. Two Groups are mentioned ;The George Washington Brigade and the Texas Volunteer Company. The former are very much in the 'defenders of democracey' role and most likely will be found with either Liverpool Freestate or the Anglian League. The Texas unit is rather more ambigious but judging by their flag they may have slightly more right wing tendencies. Us Pilots and BAR gunners are also highly prized by all sides. These are just examples the field is wide open for small groups of Foreign volunteers of all persuasions.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 29 December 2008, 11:54:43 AM: Hope you all had good Christmas.
Got a bit of painting done. 2 platoons of Grenadier Guards, A panzer 1 and French half track- all great figures and kits. My plan for the next few weeks will be to build up my Royalists. The Eton Cadets, Worcester TA, Evesham Irregulars are all underway and some of those splendid Great War Cavalry will be fine for the Gloucester Hussars. Add in a Batt of RHA (King's Troop) the Worcester Volunteer Artilley Batt (with a German Gun and very little ammo!) and a bit of Fascist Militia and ill be off campaigning in the Severn Valley!! Then it will be on to Trains and Gunboats!!!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 30 December 2008, 12:48:37 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 11:09:47 PM
Chieftain is considering the possibility of a bus for 1938 if he gets 20 plus interested.

I'd be interested :-)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: argsilverson on 30 December 2008, 01:35:30 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 29 December 2008, 11:54:43 AM
Hope you all had good Christmas.
Got a bit of painting done. 2 platoons of Grenadier Guards, A panzer 1 and French half track- all great figures and kits. My plan for the next few weeks will be to build up my Royalists. The Eton Cadets, Worcester TA, Evesham Irregulars are all underway and some of those splendid Great War Cavalry will be fine for the Gloucester Hussars. Add in a Batt of RHA (King's Troop) the Worcester Volunteer Artilley Batt (with a German Gun and very little ammo!) and a bit of Fascist Militia and ill be off campaigning in the Severn Valley!! Then it will be on to Trains and Gunboats!!!

Sorry my ignorance. How can you visually distinguish guards to regular infantry/cavalry? didn;t they had the same sort of say uniforms?

Any pics???
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: WillieB on 30 December 2008, 02:30:10 PM: Quote from: TadPortly on 30 December 2008, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 11:09:47 PM
Chieftain is considering the possibility of a bus for 1938 if he gets 20 plus interested.

I'd be interested :-)

If it's a continental bus put me down for 2! I want to be able to use it in the SCW as well.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 30 December 2008, 05:51:26 PM: Quote from: WillieB on 30 December 2008, 02:30:10 PM
If it's a continental bus put me down for 2! I want to be able to use it in the SCW as well.

Is this because you retire next year and will be permitted to take the bus for free? lol

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: WillieB on 30 December 2008, 07:01:00 PM: Quote from: Geudens on 30 December 2008, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: WillieB on 30 December 2008, 02:30:10 PM
If it's a continental bus put me down for 2! I want to be able to use it in the SCW as well.

Is this because you retire next year and will be permitted to take the bus for free? lol

Rudi

April 2010, not 2009 Rudi, but only working part-time from January 1st. Need some more brushes urgently.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 30 December 2008, 10:37:55 PM: Will get some picks done.
The Guards came straight from London and retain some more formal items. Eg Dark blue dress caps with Red band and Grey Greatcoats
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 30 December 2008, 11:13:51 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 30 December 2008, 10:37:55 PM
Will get some picks done.
The Guards came straight from London and retain some more formal items. Eg Dark blue dress caps with Red band and Grey Greatcoats

So are you going to post some pictuers of them soon or keep us waiting ? :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Durutti on 30 December 2008, 11:35:12 PM: Quote from: WillieB on 30 December 2008, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: TadPortly on 30 December 2008, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 11:09:47 PM
Chieftain is considering the possibility of a bus for 1938 if he gets 20 plus interested.

I'd be interested :-)

If it's a continental bus put me down for 2! I want to be able to use it in the SCW as well.

I think Ian was looking at doing a double decker bus.
I have now got plans for the Bedford bus and a Citroen bus, and they are both useable for Spain!!!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 31 December 2008, 12:28:00 AM: Quote from: Durutti on 30 December 2008, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: WillieB on 30 December 2008, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: TadPortly on 30 December 2008, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 11:09:47 PM
Chieftain is considering the possibility of a bus for 1938 if he gets 20 plus interested.

I'd be interested :-)

If it's a continental bus put me down for 2! I want to be able to use it in the SCW as well.

I think Ian was looking at doing a double decker bus.
I have now got plans for the Bedford bus and a Citroen bus, and they are both useable for Spain!!!

I'd imagine the double decker will be a top seller, it has many applications.

Of course, I'm also looking forwards to seeing more SCW transport :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 31 December 2008, 12:29:15 AM: My first Guardsman is on the front cover of the source book. The rest ill try to photo next week
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 31 December 2008, 12:45:13 AM: Darn and my book is still in the mail :(
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: WillieB on 31 December 2008, 09:34:39 AM: Quote from: Durutti on 30 December 2008, 11:35:12 PM
Quote from: WillieB on 30 December 2008, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: TadPortly on 30 December 2008, 12:48:37 PM
Quote from: Hastings on 17 December 2008, 11:09:47 PM
Chieftain is considering the possibility of a bus for 1938 if he gets 20 plus interested.

I'd be interested :-)

If it's a continental bus put me down for 2! I want to be able to use it in the SCW as well.

I think Ian was looking at doing a double decker bus.
I have now got plans for the Bedford bus and a Citroen bus, and they are both useable for Spain!!!

Yes! 2 of each please. What do you mean they aren't ready yet? lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 31 December 2008, 12:05:06 PM: OHHH!AWWWW! I want some bus's also! :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 31 December 2008, 12:23:45 PM: I am a bit Johnny-Come-Lately here but here goes: have you all seen Richard III with Ian McKellen?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Col.Stone on 31 December 2008, 12:36:53 PM: Not yet, i want to tho..
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 31 December 2008, 02:31:25 PM: Great movie! Certainly one of the fomative inspirations for the writers of the source book.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 31 December 2008, 03:53:41 PM: Excuse me for being a bit dim - a few too many beers at lunchtime I suspect, but exactly wherecan I get the source book and Mosley's Blackshirts figures from?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Col.Stone on 31 December 2008, 04:11:45 PM: Sourcebook can be found on ebay
search for 1938 a very british civil war
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 31 December 2008, 05:26:03 PM: The BUF figures will be available from Musketeer Miniatures shortly.... :)

Solway Crafts and Miniatures do the sourcebook and an ever-expanding range of flags for the period;

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Solway-Crafts-and-Miniatures
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Cory on 31 December 2008, 07:09:09 PM: I've been inpired by the idea of AVBCW, but being in the US unable to get my group interested in it.

So, is there anyone else who has thought about an American version? I appreciate Bungle's suggestion, but I am thinking more along the lines of Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here with a corrupt fascist govt being very far away. Factions ranging from heavily politicised unions, Molly Maguires, and the Bonus Army with more freikorp like overtones to corporate stooges, the klan, and vigilante citizens leagues. Add to it indepenant opportunists like the New James Gang and the mob.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Will Bailie on 31 December 2008, 07:35:04 PM: Quote
So, is there anyone else who has thought about an American version?

In addition to the groups you mention, don't forget the Silver Shirts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Legion_of_America

Bolshevik agents would have been active in the USA as well (see Warren Beatty's Reds, but kick it up a notch).

Once things get hot, Mexican immigrants could become more active in the border states. Just consider what a Pancho Villa-style leader could do if the US was NOT united!

In the West, the Mormons could revive the Deseret idea, and the Native Americans might have a renewed Ghost Dance.

You could probably mine Harry Turtledove for more ideas - many of the people he uses in his alternate Great War series are based on actual historical figures. The fluff for Crimson Skies is another place to get some ideas.

And, of course, Canada could invade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: area23 on 31 December 2008, 09:14:55 PM: And there WAS a conspiracy for an american fascist coup d'etat, some military officer that got manipulated by a dodgy organisation. But in the end he thought it would all be very unamerican and turned himself in. I forgot all the names but I saw an interesting documentary about that once.

And militant hobo's? Thousands of travelling homeless and unemployed all over the US waiting for orders of the Hobo-king for the insurrection...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 01 January 2009, 10:49:58 AM: Quote from: Cory on 31 December 2008, 07:09:09 PM
I've been inpired by the idea of AVBCW, but being in the US unable to get my group interested in it.
So, is there anyone else who has thought about an American version? I appreciate Bungle's suggestion, but I am thinking more along the lines of Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here with a corrupt fascist govt being very far away. Factions ranging from heavily politicised unions, Molly Maguires, and the Bonus Army with more freikorp like overtones to corporate stooges, the klan, and vigilante citizens leagues. Add to it indepenant opportunists like the New James Gang and the mob.
Any ideas?

Assuming the idea is an imaginary interwar conflict, this could do (be it 1928 or 1938):

http://alternatehistory.com/Discussion/showthread.php?t=20850

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: xeoran on 01 January 2009, 01:28:56 PM: Quote from: area23 on 31 December 2008, 09:14:55 PM
And there WAS a conspiracy for an american fascist coup d'etat, some military officer that got manipulated by a dodgy organisation. But in the end he thought it would all be very unamerican and turned himself in. I forgot all the names but I saw an interesting documentary about that once.

That was The Business Plot where the heads of the Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil and the DuPont family got together with USMC Major General Smedley Butler to depose FDR and set up a fascist America. There's a few other fun things you could add. Perhaps a whistleblower reveals the Tuskagee Experiment causing a black revolution and/or the formation of groups like the Black Panthers earlier. There might well (as in Harry Turtledove) be a large Marxist angle to this.

To take the opposite direction you could rip the premise from Kim Newmans 'USSA' series with a communist America. Imagine a failed Bolshevik revolution leading Lenin to go to America during the Great Depression where his inflammatory speeches rouse a revolution. Or perhaps they even win the election! You'd have the communists controlling some of the cities, with particular power amongst those usually discriminated against, versus right-wingers from all across the country.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 01 January 2009, 02:41:29 PM: Quote from: Cory on 31 December 2008, 07:09:09 PM
I've been inpired by the idea of AVBCW, but being in the US unable to get my group interested in it.

So, is there anyone else who has thought about an American version? I appreciate Bungle's suggestion, but I am thinking more along the lines of Sinclair Lewis's It Can't Happen Here with a corrupt fascist govt being very far away. Factions ranging from heavily politicised unions, Molly Maguires, and the Bonus Army with more freikorp like overtones to corporate stooges, the klan, and vigilante citizens leagues. Add to it indepenant opportunists like the New James Gang and the mob.

Any ideas?

How about using the AVBCW background but rejigging it to allow Canada to fall under fascist influence? America responds to the threat on her border. You could even move the Cuban revolution 20 years earlier - a communist foothold to stop the threat of Fascist influence in the US.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 01 January 2009, 07:26:05 PM: In the Sourcebook the British Royals other than Edward head for Canada. So potentially Canada is an important base for opposition to the Royal/Fascist regieme in England. Who would America support or would it try to remain neutral? Could this lead to tensions between America and Canada? Plus as previously mentioned there are Americans already involved on both sides in Britain as volunteers
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: BaronVonJ on 20 January 2009, 03:47:16 PM: I like the Crimson Skies background of the Great Depression causing a breakup of the US into different countries. The Industrial States of America in the northern mid-west. Dixie in the south, Maritime provinces, the People's Collective in the Plains, etc..
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 21 January 2009, 05:50:19 PM: Its great to see this project really growing. The item on The Miniatures Page (TMP) brought in a lot of sales of the source book last weekend (many going to the states) and Miniature Wargames have given us a nice plug in the Feb issue of both the Source book and the game at Penarth a week on Saturday
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Musketeer on 21 January 2009, 06:28:25 PM: Just to let you know, I got the Masters for the BUF back today and a set is on the painting table already :)
I'll post pics soon as I can.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 21 January 2009, 08:59:34 PM: Looking forward to seeing them Bill, and can't wait to have a go at some for myself :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 22 January 2009, 01:06:08 AM: I see that Italian or spanish wargames mag has the pics of your BUF figures in too Bill- the word is spreading!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: limbow on 22 January 2009, 06:34:57 AM: Miniature Wargames have given us a nice plug in the Feb issue of both the Source book and the game at Penarth a week on Saturday
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what page was that ?i didnt see it
my issue was just about the SCW ???but it was very good
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: limbow on 22 January 2009, 06:43:43 AM: Quote from: limbow on 22 January 2009, 06:34:57 AM
Miniature Wargames have given us a nice plug in the Feb issue of both the Source book and the game at Penarth a week on Saturday
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what page was that ?i didnt see it
my issue was just about the SCW ???but it was very good
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 22 January 2009, 02:49:10 PM: Page 11, second paragraph in Reconnaissance report, Pass the Ammo Jeeves.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 22 January 2009, 08:56:37 PM: Any news on what has happened to GWP this time?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Paul E on 22 January 2009, 09:48:24 PM: Hi,

We have server problems with the service provider Xsorbit. Second time recently.

A 404 message has recently come up which hopefully means we will be back soon.

Paul
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 22 January 2009, 10:04:36 PM: cheers mate
missing it muchly
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 23 January 2009, 07:57:50 AM: Quote from: Hastings on 22 January 2009, 10:04:36 PM
cheers mate
missing it muchly

Me too :'(
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 23 January 2009, 08:24:36 AM: Quote from: Ook on 23 January 2009, 07:57:50 AM
Quote from: Hastings on 22 January 2009, 10:04:36 PM
cheers mate
missing it muchly
Me too :'(

Yes, not only that, but this takes some of the schwung out of the 3ECW project: I have made a great find of a 28mm resin vehicle that has been oop for some time now and think it would be appropriate to post that on the GWP forum in the first place, since the manufacturer has only limited stocks left and GWP is the home page for the project.

The vehicle in question is a superb model, VERY 1938, not available from any other manufacturer and will no doubt be of interest to many (if not all) 3ECW gamers...

So please make every effort the forum is up and running again asap!

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Paul E on 23 January 2009, 09:15:24 AM: Thanks for your loyalty guys. :-*

Unfortunatly we are in the hands of the service provider and are limited to sending e mails. At this moment I am simply keeping my fingers crossed.

Like you I have some ECW3 work in progress to post which is a couple of scratchbuilt armoured cars based on Matchbox Yesteryear vehicles. ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 23 January 2009, 09:52:47 AM: Look forward to seeing those Paul :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: jtrnka on 23 January 2009, 10:34:02 AM: How do you think this would fit in with " 1938 a very British Civil War "

(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s266/HelenBachaus/486e.jpg)

CXheers,

Jeff @ JTFM
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Paul E on 23 January 2009, 01:28:00 PM: No reason why not as it's all fantasy ;)

Is that scratch built? If the answer is yes I may faint :o
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 23 January 2009, 03:16:50 PM: Quote from: Paul E on 23 January 2009, 01:28:00 PM
Is that scratch built? If the answer is yes I may faint :o

Yes, it´s a master model... so it´ll be available in resin. Cannot wait for that to happen myself.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 23 January 2009, 03:30:30 PM: Quote from: Paul E on 23 January 2009, 09:15:24 AM
Thanks for your loyalty guys. :-*
Unfortunatly we are in the hands of the service provider and are limited to sending e mails. At this moment I am simply keeping my fingers crossed.

Yes, a sorely missed resource and great place to pass the time whilst taking one's morning tea.

Plus I really want to look at Gavin P's lovely painting tutorial again. But that's off topic, sorry.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 28 January 2009, 12:36:34 PM: Yes - hurry up back with GWP - I've got some stuff to post there as well.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 28 January 2009, 07:43:51 PM: Im beginning my journey to Cardiff tomorrow so (takes a long time by BR from Scotland!) doesn't look like ill get anything more on GWP before I go.
For those coming to Crusade come and say hello be good to put face to post so to speak. If you are after the Source book be quick- there is not much left of this print run! (and Penarth is suppose to be the launch, oh well market forces eh!) If I have any stock left Musketeer will have them at York on Sunday.
Ill also have stock of all the 1938 flags available in 25mm and some also in 15mm. All being well we will also have the first edition of 1938 free newsletter - Albion's Trumpet!.
So hope to see you at the weekend
Simon
Solway Crafts and Miniatures
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 28 January 2009, 09:56:02 PM: Have you thought of doing 20mm flags?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 28 January 2009, 10:14:08 PM: Can do them if requested
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 28 January 2009, 10:32:25 PM: I request 20mm flags. lol

It's the Welsh ones I'm interested in.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 29 January 2009, 01:19:13 AM: ill have them with me on saturday.Having looked at my riddiculous train arrangements I think im going to have to leave the show about 2. boo hiss!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 29 January 2009, 02:50:52 AM: I can't make it to the show, but if you put the 2 Welsh flag sheets up as 20mm in your e-bay shop I shall snap them up immediately.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 02 February 2009, 12:10:47 AM: Musketeer Bill is now carrying the source book at shows that Solway
are not attending
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 02 February 2009, 12:17:22 PM: Hastings - nice to meet you and assuage my guilty consience on Saturday.
We had a fun 1938 game going all day at Penarth. The forces of the right (Me & Mike) struggled with the commies to take East Quantoxhead after some bitter fighting (and the inability of my tank crew to hit a house at very close range!). We were taking heavy casualties in our attempts on the churchyard (nice church, Rob!) at West Quantoxhead when we had to pack up. We'll be back with reinforcements to fight our way through to that nest of vipers that is Watchet!!!
Now I've got to paint the extra stuff I bought from Musketeer etc.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 02 February 2009, 08:22:44 PM: Yep good to meet up on Sat, and yes I had a hefty collection of metal once I left musketeer. got 24 fascists on the go at the mo!
Heard from Bill that he had a good day at York yesterday as well- so all looking good for 1938
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: BaronVonJ on 02 February 2009, 09:30:17 PM: Anybody know what happened to the sourcebook? It's no longer on ebay.
-J
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 02 February 2009, 10:01:09 PM: Quote from: BaronVonJ on 02 February 2009, 09:30:17 PM
Anybody know what happened to the sourcebook? It's no longer on ebay.
-J

I think Musketeer Miniatures had copies at York, there's no mention of it on their website, but I expect they'll know how to get one if you contact them :

http://www.musketeer-miniatures.com/index.php
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 03 February 2009, 03:17:48 PM: Absoluelty tickled to death, Bungle has made me a cracking banner for my Militia

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/Lowtardog/NorthShieldsMilitia.jpg)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: argsilverson on 03 February 2009, 03:31:57 PM: Quote from: Lowtardog on 03 February 2009, 03:17:48 PM
Absoluelty tickled to death, Bungle has made me a cracking banner for my Militia

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/Lowtardog/NorthShieldsMilitia.jpg)

Very very nice!!!!!

Can we use it sometime?
Need more!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 03 February 2009, 03:43:41 PM: Yep free to use for personal use.

Feedback from how they look once printed would be handy.

I have done a few others, there is a selection on the ECW3 yahoo group.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 03 February 2009, 05:25:11 PM: Source book is back in the shop but this is the last batch I have at present. Bill has some stock if you are at a show where he is.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 03 February 2009, 06:36:57 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 03 February 2009, 05:25:11 PM
Source book is back in the shop but this is the last batch I have at present. Bill has some stock if you are at a show where he is.

High time for a reprint...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 03 February 2009, 08:33:19 PM: I have surrendered and ordered my first BUF figures...damn you! ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 03 February 2009, 08:34:22 PM: Quote from: Lowtardog on 03 February 2009, 03:17:48 PM
Absoluelty tickled to death, Bungle has made me a cracking banner for my Militia

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/Lowtardog/NorthShieldsMilitia.jpg)

I hope you're going to print it on cloth and fly it from your car windows - like the ones you see football supporters using :~}
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 04 February 2009, 09:21:09 AM: Not so professional as the above, but they will do for my specific Kent units (15 minutes of work, using Google & Corel Draw):

(http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/geudens_photos/flags01B.jpg)

Top left: Kent Agricultural Workers tank company
Top right: Flemish-Kent Union (I'll explain that later...)
Bottom left: BUF - Kent chapter
Bottom right: Kent LDF

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: AKULA on 04 February 2009, 09:30:58 AM: Good job Rudi - quick work, but still very effective.

:)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Orctrader on 04 February 2009, 11:25:22 AM: Forgive me if the answer to the following question already appears somewhere in this thread, but it's rather a long thread.

What figures are you using for cavalry? (Apart from Renegade Early WW1 - if, indeed they are suitable?)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 04 February 2009, 11:27:47 AM: Quote from: Orctrader on 04 February 2009, 11:25:22 AM
Forgive me if the answer to the following question already appears somewhere in this thread, but it's rather a long thread.

What figures are you using for cavalry? (Apart from Renegade Early WW1 - if, indeed they are suitable?)

I am avoiding cavalry by doing a maritime force however you could also use some colonial troops ( in the fluff of the source books the Wolsley helmet and its pithy varieties and slouch hats make a come back) as is or possibly with head swaps, boer war comes readily to mind
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 04 February 2009, 11:29:32 AM: Great War Miniatures do some already I picked up a pack on Sunday from Dave Thomas.

I believe that Musketeer have some in the works too.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 04 February 2009, 12:52:49 PM: Some tasty looking banners there. Will have to sort something out for The Hampton Freedom Co-operative, the one I have at present is a little basic to say the least.

Something white with a cockeral on it seems appropriate somehow..... :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Plynkes on 04 February 2009, 01:20:08 PM: Quote from: Lowtardog on 04 February 2009, 11:27:47 AM
( in the fluff of the source books the Wolsley helmet and its pithy varieties and slouch hats make a come back)

No need for it to make a come back, the Wolseley was in service up to and throughout the Second World War (my own is a 1942 model), and indeed the Royal Marines still wear the damn things, though only when marching about in their Sunday Best to entertain the Queen.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Orctrader on 04 February 2009, 01:23:47 PM: Quote from: Bungle on 04 February 2009, 11:29:32 AM
Great War Miniatures do some already...

Anyone have a link to some pictures? None on the North star site.

And, the first and only GWM figures I bought when they first came out were pretty poor in terms flash and mouldlines. How are they now?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 04 February 2009, 03:58:09 PM: There was some pics of the cavalry on TMP under Great War Miniatures. I know what you are saying about the cleaning up on them, but I love the figures and I think they are worth a little extra effort. Im using the Infantry for my Grenadier Guards and American Volunteers.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: AKULA on 04 February 2009, 05:15:43 PM: Have some of the GWM cav to paint up - there is less flash on the cav than the infantry.

Having said that, if and when Musketeer bring some out, i'll definitely buy some, as the quality of the sculpts AND the casting on the 50 or so i have so far is excellent!

:)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Trooper on 05 February 2009, 03:16:53 PM: Like Hammers said earlier I am also something of a "Johnny come lately" to this idea, but have to say its one which grips the imagination. I will also be able to align it to my Back of Beyond armies as well. This has now become the new project, shortly after I said to myself "no more new projects".

The beauty of this being that it can be as large or small as you want it to be. So I am now working up ideas to take the conflict to East Anglia.

Also, Hammers beat me to the punch, but I can heartily recommend that people get hold of the Ian McKellen version of Richard III which he has set in the 1930s, with Richard becoming a fascist dictator. The battle scenes though limited are fun, and provide food for the imagination, despite their anachronistic use of a T55/T62. The flavour of this 1938 scenario is there.

So thanks a bundle Lead Adventurers for taking me down a path I had tried to forswear. Just kidding, thanks for planting the seed.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 05 February 2009, 07:39:19 PM: Pick up "the Leader" by Guy Walters from Amazon...... 1p plus postage ;)

1938... Moseley in power.... very 39 Steps ish
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 06 February 2009, 01:40:55 PM: I'm still waiting for my GWM cavalry (to use as 1938 Yeomanry) so I'm not able to comment on them yet. North Star were supposed to be posting them on Monday. I expect our poor postie can't fight his way through the snow with them yet.
I've got a limited number of their infantry types and wasn't desparately impressed I've got to admit. Add to that the pack of "German Support Weapons" is missing the barrel of the mortar and I'm thinking I'll go for Renegade when I expand my late WW1 collection for The Great War rules later this year.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Orctrader on 06 February 2009, 02:12:29 PM: Quote from: Big Martin on 06 February 2009, 01:40:55 PM
I've got a limited number of their infantry types and wasn't desparately impressed I've got to admit... Add to that the pack of "German Support Weapons" is missing the barrel of the mortar...

Glad it's not just me who is disappointed with the quality.

Quote from: Big Martin on 06 February 2009, 01:40:55 PM
...I'm thinking I'll go for Renegade when I expand my late WW1 collection for The Great War rules later this year.

I love Renegade figures :)

Would their early war cavalry fit in with 1938? The ones in gasmasks appeal...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 06 February 2009, 02:25:39 PM: Quote from: Orctrader on 06 February 2009, 02:12:29 PM
I love Renegade figures :)
Would their early war cavalry fit in with 1938? The ones in gasmasks appeal...

They do, don't they? I went for the ones in peaked caps, but the ones in gasmasks could easily be sinister BUF cav raiding the countryside at night conceiling their identity. They could smoke out the farmhouses with no hinder to themselves. I heard their captain is a certain D. Turpin... lol

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 06 February 2009, 02:26:39 PM: Quote from: Geudens on 06 February 2009, 02:25:39 PM
I heard their captain is a certain D. Turpin... lol

"Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore, pom-pa-rom-pom-pom..." ;) lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 11:22:29 AM: With the apparent demise of GWP site at the moment my 1938 news and notices ill be putting on here. The more narrative stuff like the Severn valley campaign you can find at http://www.falkirkwargamesclub.org.uk/

Ok to business. Im going to try and crack on with organising the 'big game' this coming week. If anybody has any strong preferences for dates please let me know solwayminiatures@aol.com. The rough plan is a Friday night pub-diplomacey style gaming bringing about the battlefield alliances which will be played out over the weekend in three linked games set at Tewkesbury, Shrewsbury and the finale Worcester itself. I aim to get players from all factions involved if possible. The weekend will be more about creating the narrative and acts of daring-do than winning the war!

At some time this week I will be announcing the Winner of the Flag competition we set as part of the book launch.

And while we are on the book Solway has only 20 copies left! Bill at Musketeer has about 15 left and he will be selling them at shows including the Tonbrige event. We hope that we will have more stock by Salute/Triples. Bill is doing Salute for us and we will both be at Triples. I also aim to have some sets of vehicle transfers available by then and the delayed first issue of 'Albion's Trumpet' the 1938 AVBCW Newsletter.

Im pleased to announce work is underway on book 2, Lots more very useful info, illustrations, scenarios etc and we are looking for an autumn release date. We are also looking to expand the team of contributors. If you are interested in being part of this email me at solwayminiatures@aol.com We are also looking for some additional artwork this time eg possibly cover, figure and or vehicle plates. If anybody can recomend anyone please let me know.

Cheers gang
Simon
Solway Crafts and Miniatures
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 08 February 2009, 11:42:52 AM: Any news on 20mm flags etc?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 01:17:03 PM: Sorry yep on my list to get 20's up on ebay - hopefully this week, if its the 2 welsh sheets you want email me at solwayminiatures@aol.com and ill send you paypal request
cheers
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 01:20:33 PM: Anyone up for taking part in a 1938BCW game at Legionaire Exeter Uni first weekend in May?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 08 February 2009, 02:57:59 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 01:17:03 PM
Sorry yep on my list to get 20's up on ebay - hopefully this week, if its the 2 welsh sheets you want email me at solwayminiatures@aol.com and ill send you paypal request
cheers
E-mailed. ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 03:10:22 PM: Flag competition results
Highly commended- Bungle's Maningham Banner
Winner -Jim Hale's Wirral Volunteers.
Congrats all round :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: AKULA on 08 February 2009, 04:28:23 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 03:10:22 PM
Flag competition results
Highly commended- Bungle's Maningham Banner
Winner -Jim Hale's Wirral Volunteers.
Congrats all round :D

Congrats to both Jim & Bungle.

Bungle's is somewhere on this thread - have you got a photo of Jim's to share?

:)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 05:54:02 PM: Jim's flag will be on either the next LDV sheet or possible the second sheet for the 'Liverpool Front'. Either way it will be available at Sheffield in April- hopefully ill have a painted standard bearer with it on our display as well.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 08 February 2009, 06:18:12 PM: Cool, thanks :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Arlequín on 08 February 2009, 09:35:36 PM: Ooh, I won, gosh :o

I seriously thought Bungle's flags were excellent though. I haven't seen anyone else's to comment.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 08 February 2009, 09:39:14 PM: Well done Jim & Bungle.

Quote from: Hastings on 08 February 2009, 05:54:02 PM
Jim's flag will be on either the next LDV sheet or possible the second sheet for the 'Liverpool Front'. Either way it will be available at Sheffield in April- hopefully ill have a painted standard bearer with it on our display as well.

Is it possible to get hold of these sheets other than at shows?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 09 February 2009, 01:31:19 PM: The ones from the competition we will be using will be redrawn in the package I use for my flags then will be available as part of a sheet in the ebay shop. If you ask our winners though they just might send you a copy
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 09 February 2009, 04:53:09 PM: I'm still up for the Big Game - assuming the timing is OK.

Not sure yet about the Exeter show - will have to start organising myself with what's going on with Wargames and the SK etc. soon. Been a bit lax with getting the planner up and running this year as I've not got anywhere to put it yet!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 11 February 2009, 08:49:04 AM: I am toying with the idea of doing a London based unit using the Duke of Westminster as a financier/commander. A staunch Royalist and friends with the Royal Family.

A real WWI unit was the Queen's Westminster Rifles (an ancestor to my old Army Regt by the way). I was thinking of using early WWI figures and paint them in Rifles Green rather than standard British Khaki. Have found a rather nice commemorative flag which I intend to base the unit flag on:

(http://www.ww1battlefields.co.uk/flanders/images/stg/stgqwr.jpg)

1st Batt Queens'Westminster Rifles

The current Duke is a cavalryman, and there was in existence the Westminster Dragoons, so an excuse for a few cavalry figs.

Finally, I have discovered that during WWI the Duke of Westminster bought the Rolls Royce Armoured Cars and Tenders used in the desert with Lawrence (the current Duke is currently restoring a Rolls Royce A/C), so an excuse for some A/Cs too!

I quite like the idea of using the Police to form armed units, so maybe 2nd Batt Queen's Westminster Rifles (City of London Police)

Artillery could be supplied by the Honourable Artillery Company.

May take a while to put it all together, but we shall see.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Plynkes on 11 February 2009, 09:01:30 AM: I've been reading about the Duke and his armoured car exploits lately. He led a madcap rescue mission across the Western Desert to free some Welsh sailors at Bir Hakkim who had been captured by the Senussi, after their ship was torpedoed by a U-Boat. He also led his armoured cars into battle against them at the battle of Agagia.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/dte380.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/dte379.jpg)

I'm planning a game on this theme some time, though not these exact events.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Plynkes on 11 February 2009, 11:08:10 AM: Did anyone catch that programme last night about Peter the Painter and the Siege of Sydney Street?

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Sidney_street_guards.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Sidney_street_churchill.jpg)
(That's Churchill circled in the top hat.)

Scots Guardsmen and Old Bill with shotguns battling anarchists with Broomhandle Mausers on the streets of the East End? They even brought up a field gun. Put me in mind of you lot and your English Civil War shenanigans. I'm sure there's a game in there somewhere.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: nelly on 11 February 2009, 11:15:10 AM: Ook pointed me this way afeter the (hopefully) demise of the GWP. :)

I like the idea of a rifles unit in green, be a bit different to khaki :)

My Warks Hon Yeomanry are coming along nicely at the mo, I've just added a section of local BUF to assist them in their tasks. As they're a trials unit they have access to allsorts of newer kit and "comparison" vehicles, such as my T-26 and the new fangled "Universal" carrier :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: argsilverson on 11 February 2009, 11:34:27 AM: Quote from: Plynkes on 11 February 2009, 11:08:10 AM
Did anyone catch that programme last night about Peter the Painter and the Siege of Sydney Street?

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Sidney_street_guards.jpg)

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Sidney_street_churchill.jpg)
(That's Churchill circled in the top hat.)

Scots Guardsmen and Old Bill with shotguns battling anarchists with Broomhandle Mausers on the streets of the East End? They even brought up a field gun. Put me in mind of you lot and your English Civil War shenanigans. I'm sure there's a game in there somewhere.

Yes, Sidney street siege!

Some suggestions on game:
http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/88sidneyst1.html

they are from:

Major General
Tremorden Rederring's
Colonial-era Wargames Page

http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/index.html
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ENJOYABLE VICTORIAN-ERA WARFARE
WITH HOBBY MINIATURES
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 11 February 2009, 01:12:18 PM: Like the Duke of Westminster idea. Rifle Green would be a big change to the boring khaki that my Bristol based TA are being painted in. Nearly finished the extra stuff I bought at Penarth - just got hair and caps to paint and the finishing touches and then bases and I'll have 50+ figures with trucks and a couple of Rolls Royce Armoured Cars I can field as a "Mobile Column".
Then it's back to the militia, the BUF and the police.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Plynkes on 11 February 2009, 01:21:18 PM: Nice one, Argsilverson. I've been to that website many times, but somehow I never spotted that page before. Thanks.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 01:28:44 PM: Good to see some units for the Capital.
Im in the process of trying to map events at the mo to produce a rough zones of influence and keep it updated in Albions Trumpet.
This is what ive got so far..

Situation in the South East as I see it is this. The Fascist march on Canterbury ended in a bit of a shambles and the theoretical front line is on the Medway. However either side of the line there has been a fair ammount of skirmishing. But as we get to the first summer of the war Royalist-Fascist units seem to be mainly to the North and Leaugers to the South. Some having to abandon their home territories eg Bromley LDV and the Bank of England Rifles (sadly not bringing the dosh with them!)

The Capital is still the base for the BUF and most likely Mosley's HQ. General Fielding (ex Staff college and military advisor to BUF) is probably with the King and Cirencester at Madresfield(nr Worcester) While bully-boy Boyce- a popular rival to Mosley within the party is most likely to find himself serving on the Liverpool Front!

Anglican wise Arch Bishop of Canterbury is working on obtaining supplies and reinforcements for his colleagues.( a lot of French imports!) One plan maybe to open a route to rail convoys from Tonbridge (still in League hands) west meeting allied forces from Winchester and Salisbury before joining up with the forces of Bishop of Bath and Wells. The concern for these forces is that both Bishop of Exeter and Hereford are under a certain ammount of presure but which to try and relieve?

York has declared against Edward but is not totaly in line with the League.
Durham has both strong Anglican and Militant Socialist Miners groups preparing for action but are facing a strong Royalist-Fascist Garrison in Newcastle. But the Royalist Northern Army is also under presure from the Scots- small scale raiding so far.

East Coast all a bit undeclared at mo. Lincoln is an Anglican centre and possibly Norwich. Sheffield strong in socialist Militas

North West
Liverpool under siege but managing to run supplies from north Wales and Cheshire as well as being supplied by sea. Lancashire pretty divided but like Liverpool under presure from BUF. BUF's main base in North West is Manchester. Cumbria and Westmoreland- majority Royalist

Severn Valley from Shrewsbury to Gloucester nominally under Royal Control but frequent pockets of unrest. Anglican Cotswold Brigade made up of exiles from Gloucester and Worcester plus allies now joined up with Bishop of Hereford. Hereford also recieving some aid from Welsh nationalists. Warwickshire seems to be declaring for King

In Wales itself the guerilla war is under way between more Royalist South and Nationalist north.

Rumblings in Bristol but no action as yet.

Somerset range war is in full swing with the BUF struggling against the SFF.

In Devon things are about to kick off I believe- I think the Bishop of Exeter is trapped on the north Devon coast somewhere (obviously wrong time to take up surfing) watch this space

The central area of Birmingham- Stoke- Nottingham- Derby- Leicester- Coventry. is still to declare its intentions

Any more details of games, campaigns etc send them my way and ill try to weave the narrative!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 01:33:03 PM: Martin
so If you forgive the vulgarity which way is Bristol swinging?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mancha on 11 February 2009, 03:41:00 PM: Quote from: Plynkes on 11 February 2009, 11:08:10 AM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Sidney_street_churchill.jpg)

Churchill looks just like this Eureka mini, huh?

(http://eurekamin.com.au/product_thumb.php?img=images/PAXP10.jpg&w=80&h=80)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: AKULA on 11 February 2009, 04:37:35 PM: Great summary so far Hastings - already looking forward to the sequel to the sourcebook.

Haven't painted any figures in the last 5 days, and am suffering withdrawl symptoms, but hope to rectify that shortly.

:)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 11 February 2009, 05:05:59 PM: West Yorkshire

Very fragmented at the moment

Communists and Anarchists are strong in Bradford, Halifax and Hudderfield.

BUF/Royalists have strong support in north Bradford (Baildon) and some of the towns to the north

Police are forced to go armed and with some armoured vehicles, and are the major Royalist supporters in the area.

Leeds is less left wing, but with strong anti fascist local defence forces. The Royal Ordenance factory is currently held by supporters of the king, who have announced some terrorist raids on the facility.

there are rumours of cooperation between Leeds Local Defence and York
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 06:20:16 PM: Cheers Bungle
Like the idea of Leeds- York alliance, probably room for collaberation with Durham Anglicans, while in parallel more left wing groups from the Durham Mines, West yorks and maybe Sheffield might at least communicate. Any ideas on who controlling coal in Yorkshire?
Im guessing after food stocks, fuel including coal, and munitions will be high on the agenda for all factions
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 06:34:10 PM: Looking at the map now we are getting a bit of pattern.
Royalist support goes along the border down a corridor to either Gloucester or Bristol seperating the Welsh and Liverpool from the industrial social militas and northern supporters of the Anglican league.
That line of communication then runs back up the route of the A4(?)
Swindon- Newbury- Oxford and on to London.
The Anglican League has its own network running south of the royalist lines from the Kent coast and Medway to Bath.
Somerset to Cornwall is doing its own thing
Neither the Anglican League or the Royalists can maintain a route up the East coast at present
East Anglia could be quite important to both sides
Does any of this sound familiar? c.1642?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: AKULA on 11 February 2009, 07:07:09 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 06:20:16 PM
Any ideas on who controlling coal in Yorkshire?
Im guessing after food stocks, fuel including coal, and munitions will be high on the agenda for all factions

Local socialist communes probably control a number of collieries, but would need to trade coal, for food, weapons etc etc.

The Yorkist forces could trade coal for some munitions (Rowntrees sweet factory was actually converted to small arms/arty fuses during WW2), as could the Leeds boys if they seize the ROF nearby - even if they can't get coal directly from Sheffield, their rumoured friendly relations with York, means they should be able to get what they need.

Anglican Militia could channel food from Hull (the fishing fleet), via York (as they are aligned, if not exactly the same) to receive their share.

Various factions in Newcastle, but again, the fishing fleet was very strong at this time, so whoever held the docks area would have a serious bargaining chip with local coal miners.

Pro-Edward/BUF forces might hold a couple further north, due to the presence of Northern Army forces, but in all probability would get a low level of production due to having to force the workers at gunpoint, sabotage, go slow etc etc. Getting it south, to pro-Edward factories, would be another matter though - as you've already mentioned the East coast routes are disputed (anti-government forces in Leeds/York dominate the A1/Great North Road & the major rail lines). Might be possible to get coal to BUF forces in Manchester, but even then, would be prone to sabotage....

All-in-all, it would suggest the strategic importance, to Edward of either holding the coal fields of South Wales, or opening up the route on the East Coast, to link up with the Northern Army. Either way, he is in for a ruck..... lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 08:00:58 PM: Hopefully our big game will throw some more light on the situation out west. Hopefully get some dates sorted tomorrow (tried today but got to phone again tomorrow)
Then we can get on organising it, aim will be to get as many players and their units involved as poss. Hopefully get some great pics for book 2. While im on photos, if anyone has photos for the second book can you save them at at least 300 dpi to avoid the pixel effects.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 11 February 2009, 08:33:28 PM: I think the BUF/Royalists hold the LMS route to Scotland and the border area up the west coast via Manchester.

From Carlise they can control and move across the border area, down to settle and Northern Yorkshire (Which supports royalists) and threaten York and Leeds/Bradford.

Wakefield area has plenty of local coal pits for local supplies and the TA units will all be linked. I think the WW1 Jewish VC winner of Yeomanry based in Wakefield lived in Leeds.

Wakefield holds one of the main train routes on the east coast mainline via York to Scotland.

I think Wakefield Pits may be providing a unit locally but I am not sure if they are Communist or Anarchist supporters.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Genialjim on 11 February 2009, 08:36:02 PM: Hastings,

Congratulations on 1938 a very British civil war, got hold of a copy at the beginning of the week after being out of the country for a while. My GWM late war British and German forces will now be pressed into service in a world more fit for young fogy’s like myself. I do though have a query regarding factions, where are the conservatives and liberals the arguably the 2 oldest democratic parties in western Europe, and bodies surely prepared to take up arms to defend a free born Englishmen’s liberty!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 11 February 2009, 09:30:12 PM: Quote from: Genialjim on 11 February 2009, 08:36:02 PM
Hastings,

Congratulations on 1938 a very British civil war, got hold of a copy at the beginning of the week after being out of the country for a while. My GWM late war British and German forces will now be pressed into service in a world more fit for young fogy’s like myself. I do though have a query regarding factions, where are the conservatives and liberals the arguably the 2 oldest democratic parties in western Europe, and bodies surely prepared to take up arms to defend a free born Englishmen’s liberty!

If you were to follow the line of the book "The Leader" there would be no politicians other than Royalists or BUF. They would have disbanded parliament and any trouble makers rounded up and put in prison
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 09:45:29 PM: Thanks Genialjim. It was great being part of a really good team that got on, worked hard and got the job done in under 6 months. Hope we can do it again for book 2
The conservatives and Liberals will in the main have fallen in with the Anglican league. Although inspired by the Bishop's opposition to the King, the League has a broader base than the Church militant. Many peers and not a few MPs support the League as the only national focus of opposition.
I do however think there is still a big chunk of the Middle classes who oppose the King and or Mosely but haven't found expression for their views beyond local defence. The Non-Conformists im giving some thought to at the mo. Although not having the same apocalyptic zeal as their 17th Century counterparts they would I think feel a little uneasy in an army in part at least commanded by Bishops. Many of these would be very loyal Liberal or Conservative party members. I kind of see some support potentially here for the crusading Wynd-Gator when he eventually arrives with his Middle Eastern Command. But miuch as i'd like to write this bit- its Rob's baby and he is doing real history research at present so we are all going to have to wait! shame!
The great thing about this project is you can just keep adding layers of intrigue and diplomacey. Some characters are starting to emerge now which helps hold the narrative in place. We are starting to work out a whose who in the League command, We may have a power struggle in the BUF and the court is going to become a fun place if Lord Cirencester has anything to do with it
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: paul c on 11 February 2009, 10:35:22 PM: I think the discussion so far tends to underestimate the importance of the Trade Union movement and their militias in the conflict. No food would be moving without the agreement of the rail workers or the Transport and General Worker's Union, no coal dug without the Miner's Federations say so and no arms landed from abroad without the docker's support. The industrial working class in Britain was huge in the late 1930s and would have been critical in defeating Mosley.

The really interesting speculation is the the extent to which the TU movement and the Labour Party would have been content to restore the pre-1938 politcal settlement in Brtain. An alternative outcome might have been leftwards radicalisation in the course of the war, and a more radical agenda; Orwell's "red miltias in the Ritz".
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 11 February 2009, 10:54:14 PM: (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a331/BungleB/ActionStrike-1.jpg)

there will always be sympathisers who support the opposite to the majority.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 12 February 2009, 01:55:20 AM: I agree with Paul to an extent- this maybe just that we havent heard from anyone with a campaign where the trade unions have come to the fore-yet
As to the power of the unions in stoping the movement of goods -we saw this in Liverpool, where some elements of the Army and BUF were eventually prepared to use lethal force to break the strike. But the unions and the Mayor were only successful because part of the army mutined.
The situation in 1938 is very different to that of the general strike.With Britain so fragmented any sort of coordinated national action is very difficult, there is also division among the unions as to who the enemy is and as you say what sort of Britain they are fighting for. I like the idea that elements on the left are advocating using the war as a catalyst for total revolution
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 12 February 2009, 09:51:01 AM: Bungle, is that an authentic magazine cover or did you craft it yourself? If it is authentic, you may let it stand as is.

To all, as I was approached by a member over the suitability of display of the BUF symbol:

Apparently, the BUF lightning circle is NOT on the current list of forbidden symbols that might generate legal backlash for the forum. Therefore, we can until further notice allow for the use of said symbol, provided it does not get out of hand - and remember, the more "well-known" German-fascist symbols are still off-limits. I would like you, however, to restrict the use to the really necessary occasions, just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Jase on 12 February 2009, 11:44:18 AM: Curse you all!!

I just succumbed to this madness as well. The rulebook is on its way and relevant miniatures will follow soon...

"I can resist everything, except new miniatures" is how Oscar Wilde would put it.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 12 February 2009, 12:31:45 PM: Quote from: Westfalia Chris on 12 February 2009, 09:51:01 AM
Bungle, is that an authentic magazine cover or did you craft it yourself? If it is authentic, you may let it stand as is.

OOps sorry I forgot

The "action" banner/poster is a cleaned up historical one that advertises the paper

the contents are the cover of a book

Shout out if you want it removed.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Westfalia Chris on 12 February 2009, 01:16:19 PM: Quote from: Bungle on 12 February 2009, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: Westfalia Chris on 12 February 2009, 09:51:01 AM
Bungle, is that an authentic magazine cover or did you craft it yourself? If it is authentic, you may let it stand as is.

OOps sorry I forgot

The "action" banner/poster is a cleaned up historical one that advertises the paper

the contents are the cover of a book

Shout out if you want it removed.

I think we´ll leave it for the time being, future action notwithstanding.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mort on 12 February 2009, 06:59:08 PM: First of all I'd like to say, 'Hi'.
Secondly thanks for joining in the 1938 maddness. :D
Thirdly can anyone help with this.
I'm trying to fine a wargamer called Andy Callan. He wrote loads of stuff in the 80s, but I can't fine him now. I've used some of his stuff for book 2 and I'd like to ask his permmision to use it.
I tried googling him but have no luck after e-mailing people.
Anyone any ideas?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 12 February 2009, 07:34:06 PM: I am so fucking tempted by this thread, but I need...nay *must* resist. I would however love to throw in my Duke of Nutherland Kennel Club of Monimasket (http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/DNKCM/index.htm) on side or the other.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mort on 12 February 2009, 08:00:05 PM: Quote from: Hammers on 12 February 2009, 07:34:06 PM
I am so fucking tempted by this thread, but I need...nay *must* resist. I would however love to throw in my Duke of Nutherland Kennel Club of Monimasket (http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/DNKCM/index.htm) on side or the other.

Why resist? :D :D :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 12 February 2009, 08:08:34 PM: Regiment Games Naval landing party would work very well for this setting to.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mort on 12 February 2009, 08:12:35 PM: Quote from: Hammers on 12 February 2009, 08:08:34 PM
Regiment Games Naval landing party would work very well for this setting to.

Yea...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Genialjim on 12 February 2009, 08:38:31 PM: Having just found Crusader miniatures and Army Group North’s Phony war French troops and tanks my prediction is that by 1940 there will be a lot of French being spoken in Hazlehurst! And after a quick Wikepedia search it appears that unlike British Matilda II and cruiser tanks most of the French amour was ready between 1936 and 1938. This will be a novel way for General De Gaul's free French to visit the Green and Pleasant land!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 12 February 2009, 08:55:41 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 11 February 2009, 01:28:44 PM
Good to see some units for the Capital.
Im in the process of trying to map events at the mo to produce a rough zones of influence and keep it updated in Albions Trumpet.
This is what ive got so far..

Situation in the South East as I see it is this. The Fascist march on Canterbury ended in a bit of a shambles and the theoretical front line is on the Medway. However either side of the line there has been a fair ammount of skirmishing. But as we get to the first summer of the war Royalist-Fascist units seem to be mainly to the North and Leaugers to the South. Some having to abandon their home territories eg Bromley LDV and the Bank of England Rifles (sadly not bringing the dosh with them!)

Interesting as Bromley is my home turf. Saddly the old Bromley Home Guard Club (located on Swan Hill) closed down a few years back and is now luxury flats. My Grandfather served with the Artillery Yeomanry bewteen the wars (horse drawn 13lbs judging by the pictures) - these were locally based, but I am not sure whether he was based at Grove Park (still a Yeomanry Artillery TA Centre) and the old TA barracks again based at Swan Hill (last used by the TA Signals until again coverted into luxury flats). O'Neils in Bromley was once the Post Office Sorting Office and also doubled as the Home Guard drill hall.

Anyone doing the SE might also be interested to know that Tonbridge did have an old male MkIV as a war memorial which could have been resurrected and Goudhurst once had a German WWI artillery piece.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 12 February 2009, 09:20:43 PM: Cyclists battalions would be interesting how about one based on these:

1/8th (City of London) Battalion (Post Office Rifles)

They could use their old postie push bikes.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 12 February 2009, 09:28:47 PM: Quote from: Hammers on 12 February 2009, 08:08:34 PM
Regiment Games Naval landing party would work very well for this setting to.
Hehe I have a unit of these and am about to start painting them
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 13 February 2009, 08:36:29 AM: An appeal to Simon (Hastings) & friends.

When considering all the (already being at hand) info about factions & alliances throughout the realm and apart from future sourcebook-like publications, would it not be advisable to create a website around a map of the UK whereby one could click on certain areas to reveil what factions are operating there (and a short background), perhaps with the factions' flags?

On this proposed website the flag pictures could be barred with the text "copyright" or something to make'm useless for downloading (after all these are offered as a commercial product). I think this would be a great step forward in creating (yet) more interest in the subject. The theme was simple enough at the start, but since it now leads a life of its own (good!), to a newcomer it might start to look like the 40K universe...

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on 13 February 2009, 09:03:22 AM: I think this is a great proposal.

I'd go so far as to suggest any future published material should be a pdf download like those put out be the Two Fat Lardies chaps - that ought to keep overheads down. Charge by all means but email rather than print - its greener ;D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 13 February 2009, 10:51:29 AM: Quote from: Lowtardog on 12 February 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: Hammers on 12 February 2009, 08:08:34 PM
Regiment Games Naval landing party would work very well for this setting to.
Hehe I have a unit of these and am about to start painting them

So do I and they are painted. 30 or so. I converted the Brens to Lewises
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 13 February 2009, 01:32:51 PM: I've looked at their sailors in the past and nearly ordered the whole lot. Not sure an RN landing party would fit in with my part of the world though. It's only a few miles from the docks but not much in the way of RN bases around here. Still, it is alternative history...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ascent on 13 February 2009, 02:41:20 PM: Are we maybe going to see a return to the Auld alliance? I'm sure the Scots would welcome some French armour.

Would also be a good way of justifying using some of the French figures out there.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 13 February 2009, 03:02:22 PM: The church is getting its supplies from France.

So French armour and french helmets for Anglicans?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mort on 13 February 2009, 04:23:51 PM: Quote from: Hammers on 13 February 2009, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: Lowtardog on 12 February 2009, 09:28:47 PM
Quote from: Hammers on 12 February 2009, 08:08:34 PM
Regiment Games Naval landing party would work very well for this setting to.
Hehe I have a unit of these and am about to start painting them

So do I and they are painted. 30 or so. I converted the Brens to Lewises

:D :D :D.And another one joins the fold.
Quote from: Geudens on 13 February 2009, 08:36:29 AM
An appeal to Simon (Hastings) & friends.

When considering all the (already being at hand) info about factions & alliances throughout the realm and apart from future sourcebook-like publications, would it not be advisable to create a website around a map of the UK whereby one could click on certain areas to reveil what factions are operating there (and a short background), perhaps with the factions' flags?

On this proposed website the flag pictures could be barred with the text "copyright" or something to make'm useless for downloading (after all these are offered as a commercial product). I think this would be a great step forward in creating (yet) more interest in the subject. The theme was simple enough at the start, but since it now leads a life of its own (good!), to a newcomer it might start to look like the 40K universe...

Rudi

We'll have to see how we get on with book 2. May be we'll put a map in book 2 or put one on the net later in the year. For me not having a map is good because then people are not tied down to what troops are in what area.
So much of the history was/is being made by the players why tie new people down by saying you can only have this or that army in that area.
For me this is the fun bit watching other people going off in ways and areas we could never have thought of.
I will say the Devon LDV are called The Devon and Exeter Farmers Rifles DEFR. ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 13 February 2009, 05:57:44 PM: I'll jump in and echo that PDF source material is very tempting.
I'm not likely to play this wonderful setting for quite some time, (a year or more unless someone at our club picks it up) but I would be very tempted to add the source material to the old electric library.

Thomas
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 13 February 2009, 08:14:25 PM: Only been away a day and so many interesting threads- we so need GWP back! I hope we havent lost all the stuff on there, it was getting quite an archive- Would Lead adventure give us a 1938 page on our own?

Big hello to Tadportly- Bromley being my place of birth and home for 25 years and with its links to HG Wells had to figure in this somewhere. So im afraid quite selfishly I have retained at least some Bromley units for my Anglian League force- who are about to embark on an odyssey in aid of the Bishop of Bath and Wells- but that my friends is another story! In the source book Scenario 2 of the Kent campaign, the Bromley Company pitch in at the Medway so im just assuming they are joined by the LDVs as well. The West kent's also had a cycle company based at Tonbridge I knew about the Ashford ww1 tank which is I believe still on display. However in reality (not something we have much to do with) it was turned into an electrical sub station prior to 1938. I believe the Royal Navy had the last operational mkIV or V defending a base in 1940. So I hope we see some of these giants on the table before long. German artillery is a good laugh as well. Ive got a picture of several 77's? on display outside Worcester Guildhall and I was going to give one to the Worcester Yeomanry. Main problem would probably be ammo? Maybe restrict their firing in a game? Let us know if any campaigns materialise up your way.

Maps, yep great, It maybe a possibility for a website later in the year.
Im hoping to gety a site for Solway Crafts and Minis done so we can cut our costs on ebay, it maybe possible to add some 1938 pages which would be good. As far as book 2 goes I can say im drawing several maps at the mo. One thing id like to include is information people can take away and use as they like rather than being totally prescriptive- obviously at times we compromise this to make a coherant story. But maps are a great way to put out a lot of info and say right do what you like with it. So im working on TA units, Regimental depots, major road and rail networks, key industrial sites ports oh yeah and Anglican Dioceses. Id also like to do some distribution stuff on Trade union communist party and BUF membership/branches- but thats going to take a lot more research , and one ive just started distribution of International Brigade veterans-which is a lot easier than you might think cos the info is in the appendix of Bill Alexander's book.
Anyway process is all this gets chucked at our comrade and editor Rob and see what he says Yes to ( is Rob the man from Delmonte?)
I spent two hours this morning planning what im going to submit and found its quite a list so a library of stuff in PDF format would be great and once we have a stable base maybe its something we can work on.
I cant remeber who wrote what but folks that submitted stuff previously on the Airforce and Navy can you e-mail me direct (solwayminiatures@aol.com) for a chat as these are areas we do wish to include.
Speaks later
Cheers Chaps
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 13 February 2009, 09:32:10 PM: Ah the French! Yes as Bungle says French Anti-Fascist aid is coming into Dover, Folkestone, Ramsgate etc and going first and foremost to the Anglican league
But there is also the possibility of French fascists on the other side (I did a flag for the Bretons as well!)
As for Scotland- hadnt thought of it, but small bands of mercs or volunteers would work.
What we were not envisaging was the arrival of French armoured divisions! (tempting as maybe) There is no official French government intervention so kit is limited. RT17's a probability, Char B's unlikely id have thought unless stolen!- Sorry just had an image of a Michael Caine figure with a Char B stuck on the back of a transporter hanging off a cliff saying 'Lads i've got an idea...!'
Adrian helmets im certainly mixing in with other militia types for my leaguers, along with bits of dark blue uniform it gives them a nice distinctive look. and there are some nice SCW types around. Other figures that i think look good as leaguers are the Anglian Assaltos
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 14 February 2009, 01:41:19 AM: I would like to see the Map idea put into action myself, being a Yank, with only a vary limated time spent in the England. (a 5 day holiday to check out london dosent count as a compleat if you ask me, ran into more tourest then I did londeners!)
So it would give Me and the guys i am trying to work with over here a more compleat pictuer. they like to have there maps and good background basies before they jump in you know.
I already have a pretty sizable BUF assulte force made up, and am going to be useing my IWI for LDF.
What I would really like to do is do norther Ireland, Useing the Nationl army aginst orange men, And Scotish forces arriveing to help clam the North for them selfs. ^_^.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 14 February 2009, 09:46:22 AM: Quote from: commissarmoody on 14 February 2009, 01:41:19 AM
I would like to see the Map idea put into action myself, being a Yank, with only a vary limated time spent in the England. (a 5 day holiday to check out london dosent count as a compleat if you ask me, ran into more tourest then I did londeners!)
So it would give Me and the guys i am trying to work with over here a more compleat pictuer. they like to have there maps and good background basies before

That's exactly the reason why I suggested it in the first place. Even though I'm rather familiar with our UK friends, the flow of information about particular areas and alignments coming from their side is overwhelming for me, living in Belgium (and no doubt to other non-UK residents too). I'm not suggesting to replace the book(s) (lovely stuff!) by a website, but I'm sure that - even a basic one with a short introduction, maps and pics of units (you know, everything that gets a wargamer going lol) - will raise interest in the project even more. I'm thinking of what some sites did for colonials (e.g. The Major-General's site - and others). There could also be a battle-report section, where contributors (through the webmaster's filter) could share the fun they experienced...

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 14 February 2009, 10:21:35 AM: Quote from: Geudens on 14 February 2009, 09:46:22 AM
the flow of information about particular areas and alignments coming from their side is overwhelming for me

It's a bit confusing at times for me even Rudi, and I'm a UK resident o_o lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 14 February 2009, 10:56:01 AM: Hi Hastings. Must admit not much gaming done at the moment, mainly figure collecting, but that will now change as there's been quite a few things that have taken my fancy of late - this subject in particular. Just out of interest do you game at a club or at home?

I knew about the Ashford Tank, the Tonbridge one as scrapped in the 1930s I believe, but as this is fiction it could be resurrected (I might just do it too). Just out of interest this link lists all English and Welsh towns given MkIVs post WWI:

http://www.thelincolntank.net/presentation.html

A little more digging on my Grandfather's unit and I find he was in 387 battery, 97th (Kent Yeomanry) Field Regiment Royal Artillery. I guess I shall be purchasing the Great War Miniatures 13lb and crew.

I also fancy a big gun, so maybe 309 H.A.C. Siege Battery and the HLBS 8 inch howitzer.

2nd County of London Yeomanry (The Westminster Dragoons) transferred to the Tank Corps as 22nd (London) Armoured Car Company (Westminster Dragoons), fitting my invented background rather nicely.

I was also musing that the Imperial War Museum would have been a good source of military hardware, as would the Royal Arsenal at Woolwich.

As for Bromley's Home Guard, there was a book published in 1945: A History of the Bromley Home Guard: A History of the 51st Kent Battalion. However, I have only seen it advertised for silly money.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 14 February 2009, 12:25:17 PM: All good stuff Sir!
Yep im a member of Dumfries Wargamers which meet at the 5 Arches pub on Annan Road in Dumfries every Tuesday- if anyone is passing this way. When in Bromley I was a member at SELWG for about 4 years.
My Grandad was in the Bromley Home Guard, he was in a reserved occupation as a Bus driver but then got called up for RASC in 44
Got a nice pic of him with the hull of a V2 he brought back on his Scammel- personally I thought that was taking war souvenirs a bit far!
Ive got a few interesting bits on the home guard including some of the weired and wonderful stuff, cavalry, river patrols, roller skaters, mad weapons etc. Ill keep an eye out for the Bromley book at a reasonable price.
Im not sure what to do about the Imperial War Musuem. As you probably know the collection was housed at Crystal Palace until sometime before the fire. I did have ideas for a Reichstag style plot where the BUF would accuse the Communists of trying to fire the palace, but actually having it saved by the quick actions of the local LDV (who probably would reappropriate a lot of the kit). This possibly would leave Lambeth Road as Bedlam!
Thats a great list of ww1 tanks didnt realise there was anything like that many- another mapping exercise! A-team style customisation next perhaps?
Apologies to our overseas comrades- I do appreciate that the level of detail bouncing about can be overwhelming. I will work on some maps asap that we can make available somehow. Thinking about it, it was a bit of a glaring error not to include one in the first book- sorry chaps! The plan was also to put one in the Albions Trumpet Newsletter but im afraid that didnt get done for Penarth and that was down to me- more apologies! It will be done for Sheffield Tripples and if Musketeer Bill is agreeable through him at Salute. But we will also need a net version and ill try and sort that. In the meantime please ask if any details need to be clarified- enthusiasm is great but I know we get carried away at times!
On specifics- We have not done anything on Ireland. In the first place because it is still a very sensitive issue and very easy to unintentionally cause offence. I think also there was the feeling that it would just be an extension of earlier conflicts which are covered elsewhere, mainland Britain really was something new. If however the Irish aspects of the BCW is the line you want to personally explore its pretty open.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Paul E on 14 February 2009, 12:34:53 PM: Gentlemans Wargames Parlour.

Good and bad news good people.

The bad news is that we are not back on line with Xsorbit :'( >:(

The good news is that we are currently decorating a new club house which is much improved on the last.

We hope to open the doors late next week.

I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: commissarmoody on 14 February 2009, 12:39:26 PM: Quote from: Paul E on 14 February 2009, 12:34:53 PM
Gentlemans Wargames Parlour.

Good and bad news good people.

The bad news is that we are not back on line with Xsorbit :'( >:(

The good news is that we are currently decorating a new club house which is much improved on the last.

We hope to open the doors late next week.

I will keep you posted.

Yippie skippie! ;D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 14 February 2009, 12:56:59 PM: Well thats a relief- well played Sir!
Will you be able to get back the stuff previously posted or are we starting from scratch?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 14 February 2009, 01:19:18 PM: The yahoo group has a few bits to add to the new site, and can be used as a repository for stuff just in case there are access problems.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 14 February 2009, 05:50:36 PM: Quote from: commissarmoody on 14 February 2009, 12:39:26 PM
Quote from: Paul E on 14 February 2009, 12:34:53 PM
Gentlemans Wargames Parlour.
Good and bad news good people.
The bad news is that we are not back on line with Xsorbit :'( >:(
The good news is that we are currently decorating a new club house which is much improved on the last.
We hope to open the doors late next week.

I will keep you posted.

Yippie skippie! ;D

Hurrah!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 15 February 2009, 08:58:46 AM: Quote from: Paul E on 14 February 2009, 12:34:53 PM
The good news is that we are currently decorating a new club house which is much improved on the last.
We hope to open the doors late next week.
I will keep you posted.

Great, I just hope there will be enough room to accomodate the growing crowd of 3ECW buffs!!!! ;)

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 15 February 2009, 09:06:51 AM: Great news 8)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: paul c on 15 February 2009, 10:04:08 AM: Bring it on! GWP is much missed; I really liked its atmosphere of calm, friendly maturity.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 15 February 2009, 01:26:22 PM: We are down to our final 5 source books!Which is great news for us. Bill at Musketeer has a few more that he is taking to Tonbridge show next weekend.
We will be doing a small reprint which hopefully will be available for Salute and Triples
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 15 February 2009, 02:13:37 PM: Phew! Lucky I bought one yesterday.

On the figures front would it be possible to have a pack with say 2 BUF Lewis Gunners and No.2s rather than having to buy the personality pack. While I like the chap with the MP28 and the Lewis gun, there is limited scope for using the saluting figuremore than once.

Another plus and a total aside is my mate just pointed out that the BUF also make excellent Dr Who Kaleds for Genesis of the Daleks. So I shall be buying some more in the future for that purpose too...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mr. Peabody on 15 February 2009, 04:26:26 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 15 February 2009, 01:26:22 PM
We will be doing a small reprint which hopefully will be available for Salute and Triples

:o

Only a small one? Oh'm'gosh... This is what you get for assuming that such a success means a big reprint. I forget the historical perspective gained from the hobby however. One success does not equal two. :'(

So I'll have to jump on one of the second editions, or hope you good fellows see the potential in PDF.

In any case congratulations on a successful sales run of the first edition! Such a cracking idea; destined for fame and fun.

Thomas
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 15 February 2009, 07:19:52 PM: On the figures front would it be possible to have a pack with say 2 BUF Lewis Gunners and No.2s rather than having to buy the personality pack. While I like the chap with the MP28 and the Lewis gun, there is limited scope for using the saluting figuremore than once.

You will need to ask Bill at Musketeer
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 15 February 2009, 08:13:42 PM: Could I reserve a copy for Triples please ?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 15 February 2009, 11:15:58 PM: No problem
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Doc Twilight on 16 February 2009, 07:15:22 AM: Ordered a copy on Ebay, but haven't been invoiced yet. Hope I can get my copy soon.

-Doc
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Orctrader on 16 February 2009, 09:51:39 AM: Well, I just finished reading the Source Book. Though not a Gamer I do enjoy history and "alternatives" are often enjoyable.

My Questions are:-

The General "Wynd Gator"/"Grator" - don't have the book with me but I'm sure both spellings appear - of the Imperial Army. Is this a real person? If "yes" any links? (I have some WW1 Sikh Infantry somewhere in the queue...)

At the end of the book you leave open the possibility of a second book - not a reprint, but a new book. Is this likely to happen? (Just curious.)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 16 February 2009, 12:22:17 PM: GWP coming back - wonderful. I'll be there as soon as I know it's open. Line me up a virtual G & T at the bar!
Source book part 2 - yes it's a definite for some future time. Rob has a "real" history book he's got to produce at the moment, apparently, but ideas are being accumulated to work on the source book follow up.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Ook on 16 February 2009, 12:33:10 PM: Quote from: Big Martin on 16 February 2009, 12:22:17 PM
Source book part 2 - yes it's a definite for some future time.

Look forward to that :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on 16 February 2009, 02:05:23 PM: so how does one join the GWP...does one need to be sponsored ??im sure me credentials would be in order.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 16 February 2009, 04:26:39 PM: Argh! it seems I just can't help myself - just secured a 1/48 CR 42 for my BUF (must purchase some more from Musketeer). The plan is to make it and paint it in Italian colours, but overpaint the markings with BUF ones. I may also add some form of Royalist/nationalist markings (red/blue fuselage and/or nose bands?) as I am sure a number of factions will operate aircraft and there will be a need to differentiate your silver Gloster Gladiator from some communist johnnie's silver Gladiator. I think I'll go for the old "private purchase aircraft, voluteer pilot" ruse as background to cover direct Italian support.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: nelly on 16 February 2009, 04:29:31 PM: I've already got a bristol bulldog and a Bristol F2B Fighter as support for the W.H.Y. :) The race for supremacy is on :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Big Martin on 16 February 2009, 04:50:03 PM: I've just ordered a 1/48 scale Tiger Moth via the local model shop. Cheap Smer kit at less than £5. Not sure what it'll be like but should do OK as a "wargame" item.
It's going to be a civilian plane pressed into service by my left-wing militia unit and armed up with crude bombs etc. Not sure about the paint job and markings yet - I'll have to see if I can find some photos of the real thing to get some ideas.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 16 February 2009, 06:23:10 PM: Quote from: Hastings on 15 February 2009, 11:15:58 PM
No problem

Thank you.
I'll try to carry a folded newspaper and wear a carnation.

Otherwise, where do we find you at the Triples ?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 16 February 2009, 06:37:13 PM: Quote from: nelly on 16 February 2009, 04:29:31 PM
I've already got a bristol bulldog and a Bristol F2B Fighter as support for the W.H.Y. :) The race for supremacy is on :)

Rather war weary Bulldog and Hawker Hart completed kits already purchased from eBay - luckily all the broken parts are there. Will keep these in standard pre-war RAF colours as I want to be able to use them for Pulp middle east game.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: paul c on 16 February 2009, 07:08:21 PM: How do 1/48 kits (planes and tanks) compare to 28mm figures? Are they compatable on the war game table?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 16 February 2009, 08:26:50 PM: GWP hopefully in its new form will welcome all gamers of a gentlemanly disposition as it previously did. So I dont think you will need a formal introduction or anything!

Yes, God willing there will be a book 2 as well as a reprint. (we were not anticipating the reprint but I reckoned on our stock lasting till October but we will probably be out by the end of Feb now, thanks to your amazing support)Mort and I are beavering away at sections of the second volume now. Rob is doing real work with real history at the mo- well thats what he told us! So Wynd-Grator's contribution is on hold till Rob returns. We can say that the original idea for the character was somewhat similiar to the early life of the leader of the Chindits but at the mo we are as in the dark as the rest of you. Nuff said.
The air war does indeed continues a pace- check out Falkirk's addition to the BUF fleet
http://www.falkirkwargamesclub.org.uk/phpbb-2.0.21/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=8845#8845
Just as well since the Airforces is something we want to cover (along with boats and trains!!)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: whisperin_al on 16 February 2009, 08:55:57 PM: What will the scope of the second book be?

The first has been a real inspiration (and a little expensive - having prompted me to buy a lot more lead!)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Mort on 16 February 2009, 09:46:32 PM: More scenarios. A lot of them campaign based.
Weapons. the home made stuff you'd never get in role books.
More background on areas we didn't cover in book 1.
Who's who 1938.
Stuff other people have written. This is becauce other people have found great stuff. (we will pay for good stuff ;)).
stuff from Rob.
We want to make book 2 better than book 1. So we'er not rushing.
So as you can see lots of GREAT STUFF. :D :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: AKULA on 16 February 2009, 09:49:27 PM: Quote from: TadPortly on 16 February 2009, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: nelly on 16 February 2009, 04:29:31 PM
I've already got a bristol bulldog and a Bristol F2B Fighter as support for the W.H.Y. :) The race for supremacy is on :)

Rather war weary Bulldog and Hawker Hart completed kits already purchased from eBay - luckily all the broken parts are there. Will keep these in standard pre-war RAF colours as I want to be able to use them for Pulp middle east game.

The airfields around York have been scoured and yielded up a Hawker Hart, a Bulldog and a prized Gladiator, to keep away prying eyes....

Or at least they will, when i pluck up the courage to take them out of the box, and assemble them.... lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 16 February 2009, 10:12:15 PM: Graphics wise everything will have a makeover from photoshop etc- so hopefully a lot less pixelated images.
Im working on a jolly tactics section with ideas for translating theory manuels into stuff that will work on the wargames table.
plus stuff on the aforementioned planes boats and trains, and using intelligence organisations in games as well as compiling loads of maps at the mo. Mort has also promised more on modelling, and we hope to have lots of shots of the 'big game' plus as many units as we can cram in.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 16 February 2009, 10:21:56 PM: Quick question to the more learned (as beleive it or not I have never painted British figures) what colour is best for the Brodie helmet? I have used a GW green (has a funny name) but on reflection I think it looks to light. Woudl olive drab be a better colour. All help appreciated.

Ooh and when my Terrirotials come what paints to guys use for Khaki. I cant beleive I have never done Brits the most modern force of Brits I have ever painted were for Zulu and 2nd Boer war ;D ( I am looking for tips on WW1 uniforms)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 16 February 2009, 10:41:33 PM: The second sourcebook sounds a must already.

And Akky where did you get the Hawker Hart in 1/48?

I have been sitting and trying to figure out how to make stringbags (swordfish) into fighters and bombers as they were made locally, the other local stuff are bombers from the factory and Harts from the Air Volunteers.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 16 February 2009, 10:49:36 PM: Quote from: Lowtardog on 16 February 2009, 10:21:56 PM
Quick question to the more learned (as beleive it or not I have never painted British figures) what colour is best for the Brodie helmet? I have used a GW green (has a funny name) but on reflection I think it looks to light. Woudl olive drab be a better colour. All help appreciated.

Ooh and when my Terrirotials come what paints to guys use for Khaki. I cant beleive I have never done Brits the most modern force of Brits I have ever painted were for Zulu and 2nd Boer war ;D ( I am looking for tips on WW1 uniforms)

Right found the answers Russian green and US OD for uniform - from artizan page :D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on 16 February 2009, 11:06:21 PM: Smer Kits are great for wargamers - cheap, robustand simple to build. I have a 1/48 Smer DH2 which looks fine against my Copplestone British.

Ive just finished my Academy I-16 for the SCW - again a nice kit, spoiled only by the undercarriage being modelled in the down postion - so i didnt build it. Once I have the decals on I'll take a piccy of that and the DH2 with some figs for comparison.

I also have an Airfix Hawker Fury which I'll build for the BCW. It has to be one of the most beautiful planes ever produced. I had a 1/72nd scale version when I was a kid and I bought this 1/48 version of ebay for £5 before Id even heard of the BCW. I planned to bomb tribesmen on the northwest frontier with it...guess it will be used closer to home now.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Bungle on 16 February 2009, 11:18:15 PM: Quote from: Mort on 16 February 2009, 09:46:32 PM

Who's who 1938.

So... is this just military whos who?

Noel Coward, while being very conservative, despised Chamberlain for his appeasment of the nazis and was very anti Mrs Simpson and Edward. He joined british intelligence very early on in the war.

So in 1937... I suppose he would be an Anglican supporter.

(rumours that he has been seen with a group of gentlemen driving around London in fast cars with machine guns shooting at BUF forces are grossly exaggerated. There is no Fast Attack Group)

George Formby spent much of the war entertaining troops, was one of the first entertainers in Normandy after the invasion, and was not very right wing, his wife Beryl is said to have said "Why don't you piss off you horrible little man?" to the South African PM when he complained that George kissed and hugged a little black girl that gave his wife a box of chocolates.

So perhaps a socialist or Libertarian (anarchist) rather than communist. This may add truth to the unfounded rumours that the Salford Libertatrians have a Banjo Ukulele playing leader.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: AKULA on 17 February 2009, 08:33:31 AM: oops...its a Hawker Fury, not a Hart... no matter, still usable.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 17 February 2009, 11:51:11 AM: Hawker commenced the construction of the first Hurricane prototype in August 1935 at their Kingston factory. The completed sections of the aircraft were taken to Brooklands, where Hawkers had an assembly shed, and re-assembled on 23 October 1935. Ground testing and taxi trials took place over the following two weeks, and it was first flown on 6 November 1935. A production order was made in 1936 and the first production aircraft took to the air on 12 October 1937. The first four aircraft to enter service with the RAF joined No. 111 Squadron RAF at RAF Northolt in London the following December. Fortunately for me, my units will be London based, so maybe I might stretch to a Hurricane. However, I think both the Brooklands and Kingston factories would be a key source of aircraft and spare parts and thus deemed of strategic importance.

On aircraft markings after some thought I have decided that all my Nationalist/Royalist aircraft will adopt the Army's red/white/red banding either on the fuselage or nose. Foreign manufactured aircraft may also sport it on the wings.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Paul E on 17 February 2009, 02:21:05 PM: GWP3 is now open. ::)

http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?act=idx
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Malamute on 17 February 2009, 03:11:18 PM: Quote from: TadPortly on 17 February 2009, 11:51:11 AM
Hawker commenced the construction of the first Hurricane prototype in August 1935 at their Kingston factory. The completed sections of the aircraft were taken to Brooklands, where Hawkers had an assembly shed, and re-assembled on 23 October 1935. Ground testing and taxi trials took place over the following two weeks, and it was first flown on 6 November 1935. A production order was made in 1936 and the first production aircraft took to the air on 12 October 1937. The first four aircraft to enter service with the RAF joined No. 111 Squadron RAF at RAF Northolt in London the following December. Fortunately for me, my units will be London based, so maybe I might stretch to a Hurricane. However, I think both the Brooklands and Kingston factories would be a key source of aircraft and spare parts and thus deemed of strategic importance.

My grandfather was works manager for Hawker/Siddeley during the 1930s at their Kingston factory. I have a photo of my mother sitting in the cockpit of the last Hawker Hurricane to roll off the production line. We also have a photo of the management team showing my grandfather and Tommy Sopwith... :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Orctrader on 18 February 2009, 11:35:04 AM: Renegade just added WW1 to their incredible "Regiment Deals."

LINK (http://renegademiniatures.com/regww1ew.htm)

So now you can use their British.

Anyone going to be using Poison Gas? There must have been some Mustard Gas stockpiled. Italian Fascists used it in Abyssinia without a second thought. Some of the Renegade brits - cavalry and infantry - have gasmasks...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 18 February 2009, 11:38:47 AM: Quote from: Orctrader on 18 February 2009, 11:35:04 AM
Renegade just added WW1 to their incredible "Regiment Deals."

LINK (http://renegademiniatures.com/regww1ew.htm)

So now you can use their British.

Anyone going to be using Poison Gas? There must have been some Mustard Gas stockpiled. Italian Fascists used it in Abyssinia without a second thought. Some of the Renegade brits have - cavalry and infantry have gasmasks...

I know there were underground stores of Mustard gas up until the 1990s in the UK left over from the great war and often forgotten about
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: georgec on 18 February 2009, 10:19:08 PM: Quote from: AKULA on 17 February 2009, 08:33:31 AM
oops...its a Hawker Fury, not a Hart... no matter, still usable.

Some research amongst aviation-modelling colleagues suggests that the only 1/48th Hart/Hind/Demon is a rather old Aeroclub vac-form kit. I dont know about anyone elses modelling skills but I would be better off starting out with a block of wood and a blunt penknife...
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 18 February 2009, 10:58:36 PM: Im not sure if im very pleased or sad to inform you that Solway is now officialy sold out on the Source book!
Bill at Musketeer has a small stock which he is taking to the Tonbridge show

A reprint is scheduled for the beginning of March to ensure we will have a limited stock for Musketeer at Salute and Solway at Triples.
Thanks again for your support
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: WillieB on 18 February 2009, 11:02:24 PM: Quote from: georgec on 18 February 2009, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: AKULA on 17 February 2009, 08:33:31 AM
oops...its a Hawker Fury, not a Hart... no matter, still usable.

Some research amongst aviation-modelling colleagues suggests that the only 1/48th Hart/Hind/Demon is a rather old Aeroclub vac-form kit. I dont know about anyone elses modelling skills but I would be better off starting out with a block of wood and a blunt penknife...

Not as difficult as it seems at first glance, and especially not the Aeroclub models. The plastic is so thick it can almost be glued as a regular kit after cutting out. Aeroclub often has white metal parts included as well for wheels and such.

Usually the best thing to do is glue a polystrene strip all along the inside of the fuselage halfs to get a better key, but as I said, you probably won't have to do this with the Aeroclub planes.

With some (biplane) models it also sometimes easier to fill the wing halfs with a non - agressive putty. Milliput or Magic Sculpt is ideal. After this has set it's much easier to attach the struts. If you can still find them, the old Contrail aerofoil struts are certainly the best.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Geudens on 19 February 2009, 08:02:28 AM: Quote from: Hastings on 18 February 2009, 10:58:36 PM
Im not sure if im very pleased or sad to inform you that Solway is now officialy sold out on the Source book!
Bill at Musketeer has a small stock which he is taking to the Tonbridge show

A reprint is scheduled for the beginning of March to ensure we will have a limited stock for Musketeer at Salute and Solway at Triples.
Thanks again for your support

I do hope the reprint will be marked as such... Means we all have a (very rare) 1st edition on hand now!!!! lol

Great to see it all goes well. I do realize that "number of books sold" doesn't really equal "number of armies built" and with no intention of mingling into your affairs, could you give us an indication of the level of interest, please?

Rudi
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: joroas on 25 February 2009, 07:54:43 AM: Dixons are bringing out some French resistance on bikes, could be useful for the Cheltenham Cycle Battalion...........
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 25 February 2009, 08:59:47 PM: splendid news, any pics yet?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Col.Stone on 25 February 2009, 09:13:54 PM: Quote from: Orctrader on 18 February 2009, 11:35:04 AM
Renegade just added WW1 to their incredible "Regiment Deals."

LINK (http://renegademiniatures.com/regww1ew.htm)

how do they match anglian or bolt action :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: WillieB on 25 February 2009, 09:24:22 PM: Renegade figures are considerably taller than Anglian, Bolt Action or Musketeer.
The weapons are HUGE.
I wouldn't use them in the same unit.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 02 March 2009, 01:16:11 PM: Ok chaps the Big game is on for 26th-27th September at the Commandery Worcester. More details on GWP including who bringing what to the party!
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 02 March 2009, 03:07:06 PM: I got my copy the other day and I have now read it all. A delight! And a very interesting idea.

I have some criticism, if you'll allow me. I think 10 bob was a bit stiff considering that the colour prints were in some instances very grainy or pixlarized.

But again, I think this idea for fictionalized history is very thoroughly thought through and the prose is inspiring.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Col.Stone on 02 March 2009, 03:17:58 PM: So, got any figures yet hammers? :P

I've got an antifascist italian-british militia that i'm putting together :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 02 March 2009, 07:53:48 PM: I've have a Navy contingent which I suppose in the mock-historical context should be leaning towards the left. Then I have the DoN Kennel Club of Monimasket which I suppose could be used a militia for either side, thinking they'd find the BUF vulgar, the Socialists common and being terribly disappointed in HMK EVIII for breaking etiquette.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: joroas on 03 March 2009, 10:14:50 PM: Can't believe that I started this thread, I had no idea where it would go................ :o
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 05 March 2009, 11:00:16 AM: Will there be any British civil warring at Salute?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 05 March 2009, 11:04:00 AM: Quote from: TadPortly on 05 March 2009, 11:00:16 AM
Will there be any British civil warring at Salute?

I havent heard any mention of it Tad
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 05 March 2009, 11:23:13 PM: Bill will be there with the latest from Musketeer. Also check out Gripping Beasts new Lord S' hunting party! going to be released at Salute.

Some will know, some wont but we are planning the first 1938BCW weekend 26th/27th September, venue to be confirmed but looking like it will be at Gripping Beast HQ in Evesham. More details on GWP
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Col.Stone on 06 March 2009, 03:59:48 PM: Quote from: Hammers on 02 March 2009, 07:53:48 PM
I've have a Navy contingent which I suppose in the mock-historical context should be leaning towards the left. Then I have the DoN Kennel Club of Monimasket which I suppose could be used a militia for either side, thinking they'd find the BUF vulgar, the Socialists common and being terribly disappointed in HMK EVIII for breaking etiquette.

:)
Let's get a game together sometime this year then,
maybe the other swedes are interested too ?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Plynkes on 06 March 2009, 04:07:00 PM: Quote from: Hammers on 02 March 2009, 03:07:06 PM
I have some criticism, if you'll allow me. I think 10 bob was a bit stiff considering that the colour prints were in some instances very grainy or pixlarized.

10 bob? That sounds like a bloody bargain. A shilling is 5p in the new money, so the book only cost 50p? And you're complaining? I had no idea Swedes were so skinny with their cash. lol
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 06 March 2009, 04:21:52 PM: Quote from: Plynkes on 06 March 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Quote from: Hammers on 02 March 2009, 03:07:06 PM
I have some criticism, if you'll allow me. I think 10 bob was a bit stiff considering that the colour prints were in some instances very grainy or pixlarized.

10 bob? That sounds like a bloody bargain. A shilling is 5p in the new money, so the book only cost 50p? And you're complaining? I had no idea Swedes were so skinny with their cash. lol

Yep 20 bob in an old currency Pound, and 240 pennies to the pound...them was the days ;D
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 10 March 2009, 10:00:08 PM: Quote from: Plynkes on 06 March 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Quote from: Hammers on 02 March 2009, 03:07:06 PM
I have some criticism, if you'll allow me. I think 10 bob was a bit stiff considering that the colour prints were in some instances very grainy or pixlarized.

10 bob? That sounds like a bloody bargain. A shilling is 5p in the new money, so the book only cost 50p? And you're complaining? I had no idea Swedes were so skinny with their cash. lol

Caught inept in the area of British monetary nomenclature of yore. I am blushing from my toes upwards. Mortified.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 10 March 2009, 10:16:20 PM: Quote from: Plynkes on 06 March 2009, 04:07:00 PM
I had no idea Swedes were so skinny with their cash. lol

That's just a vicious rumour circulated by the Norwegians :~}
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 16 March 2009, 07:53:41 AM: Quote from: Col.Stone on 06 March 2009, 03:59:48 PM
Quote from: Hammers on 02 March 2009, 07:53:48 PM
I've have a Navy contingent which I suppose in the mock-historical context should be leaning towards the left. Then I have the DoN Kennel Club of Monimasket which I suppose could be used a militia for either side, thinking they'd find the BUF vulgar, the Socialists common and being terribly disappointed in HMK EVIII for breaking etiquette.

:)
Let's get a game together sometime this year then,
maybe the other swedes are interested too ?

I don't know if you've considered it, but the basic idea is quite transferable to a Very Lagom Swedish Civil War. It would probably happen about 20 years earlier*) at the time of the dissolution of the union with Norway and the 'Bondetåget' of 1914. But that is probably a discussion for the LAC (Sweden) forum...

*) The konservative Engländer have always been a bit of Johnny-Kome-Latelys when it comes to social upheavals, haven't they...? ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Plynkes on 16 March 2009, 09:06:35 AM: Quote from: Hammers on 16 March 2009, 07:53:41 AM
The konservative Engländer have always been a bit of Johnny-Kome-Latelys when it comes to social upheavals, haven't they...? ;)

How's that? We were lopping off our king's head 140 years before it was fashionable in France! :)

And yes, 'bob' means shilling (1/20th of a pound), old pal, rather than pound. As the currency went decimal when I was a wee baby it's not used these days except when speaking figaratively, e.g. "That's gonna cost a few bob to repair" ("That's going to be rather expensive to repair"). Sorry for teasing you about it. Only meant as harmless fun, as I'm sure you realised.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 16 March 2009, 12:00:11 PM: Quote from: Plynkes on 16 March 2009, 09:06:35 AM
Quote from: Hammers on 16 March 2009, 07:53:41 AM
The konservative Engländer have always been a bit of Johnny-Kome-Latelys when it comes to social upheavals, haven't they...? ;)

How's that? We were lopping off our king's head 140 years before it was fashionable in France! :)

And yes, 'bob' means shilling (1/20th of a pound), old pal, rather than pound. As the currency went decimal when I was a wee baby it's not used these days except when speaking figaratively, e.g. "That's gonna cost a few bob to repair" ("That's going to be rather expensive to repair"). Sorry for teasing you about it. Only meant as harmless fun, as I'm sure you realised.

I certainly did realised. No worries there.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Col.Stone on 21 March 2009, 05:04:39 AM: Quote from: Hammers on 16 March 2009, 07:53:41 AM

I don't know if you've considered it, but the basic idea is quite transferable to a Very Lagom Swedish Civil War. It would probably happen about 20 years earlier*) at the time of the dissolution of the union with Norway and the 'Bondetåget' of 1914. But that is probably a discussion for the LAC (Sweden) forum...

*) The konservative Engländer have always been a bit of Johnny-Kome-Latelys when it comes to social upheavals, haven't they...? ;)

i did consider it briefly, i didn't dream up such a wonderful name for it tho :D
"not too big, not too small and just a bit less than enough " =)
but as you say better discussed elsewhere :)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 21 March 2009, 06:13:04 PM: Quote from: Col.Stone on 21 March 2009, 05:04:39 AM
Quote from: Hammers on 16 March 2009, 07:53:41 AM

I don't know if you've considered it, but the basic idea is quite transferable to a Very Lagom Swedish Civil War. It would probably happen about 20 years earlier*) at the time of the dissolution of the union with Norway and the 'Bondetåget' of 1914. But that is probably a discussion for the LAC (Sweden) forum...

*) The konservative Engländer have always been a bit of Johnny-Kome-Latelys when it comes to social upheavals, haven't they...? ;)

i did consider it briefly, i didn't dream up such a wonderful name for it tho :D
"not too big, not too small and just a bit less than enough " =)
but as you say better discussed elsewhere :)

Ahaa now I know why you asked the question ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Col.Stone on 21 March 2009, 07:13:26 PM: hehe, that too ;)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 26 March 2009, 11:05:33 PM: The new edition of 1938 A very British Civil War is now available from Solway Crafts and Miniatures ebay shop, Musketeer will also have them at Salute. The text is unchanged but the graphics and layout has been revised. For anyone owning the original that would like the new pictures they are available as a free pdf from Solway
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 01 April 2009, 10:34:29 PM: I've just read this thread, and have decided to jump into A Very British Civil war. I've been looking for a WW2 type game for a while and this has really sparked my interest. I've decided to go for a Cornish Army looking for independence from England.

Taking advantage of the civil war, a movement has begun to become an independent state under the name of Kernow, with ideas of expansion into Devon.

I intend to use a wide range of minis including, artizan, renegade, musketeer and anyone else I like the look of. I'm going to design some flags in photshop, based on the Cornish flag.

I intend to have the Cornish Light infantry as a core regular unit, with localised militias and guerilla units.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 01 April 2009, 10:46:31 PM: I've just come across this site about a miners milita that existed in cornwall up until 1909. (http://www.poldark-mine.co.uk/militias.htm (http://www.poldark-mine.co.uk/militias.htm))

I decided that they've been resurrected but under the new name of the 1st Kernow Miners Artillery Company.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 02 April 2009, 12:51:12 AM: If your Cornish need any support, my Welsh will gladly introduce you to their Irish arms suppliers. Lol.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 02 April 2009, 09:29:08 AM: LOL, cool, Irish arms dealers.

I was thinking of having a small contingent of smugglers, who would get arms and equipment into Cornwall from France and Ireland. Along with a group of wreckers who would deliberately wreck ships of the coast. Both activities were carried out in Cornwall during the 19th Century, so a continuation of those activities would be expected.

This would also make for some interesting scenarios.

I plan to use the Island of Lundy an operational base for my smugglers operating between Ireland and Cornwall and the Scilly Isles an base for those operating between France and Cornwall. Which would give me some terrain ideas for those scenarios.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: TadPortly on 02 April 2009, 10:10:38 AM: Until its transfer to the National Trust Lundy residents did not pay taxes to the United Kingdom and had to pass through customs when they travelled to and from Lundy Island. Although the island was ruled as a virtual fiefdom, its owner never claimed to be independent of the United Kingdom, in contrast to later territorial "micronations".

However, in 1924, Martin Coles Harman bought Lundy from the Christie family and immediately proclaimed himself a king. Harman issued two coins of Half Puffin and One Puffin denominations in 1929, nominally equivalent to the British halfpenny and penny, resulting in his prosecution under the United Kingdom's Coinage Act of 1870. The House of Lords found him guilty in 1931, and he was fined £5 with fifteen guineas expenses. The coins were withdrawn and became collectors' items. In 1965 a "fantasy" restrike four-coin set, a few in gold, was issued to commemorate 40 years since Harman purchased the island.[30] He died in 1954.

Given that Harman was still alive and kicking in the late 30s, I am sure he may well use a third civil war for an excuse to proclaim himself King of Lundy again. Millcombe House could be the "Royal Residence" and 3m thick walls of Bulls' Paradise (Marisco Castle) used as an arsenal/bastion. The three lighthouses and Fog Warning Battery (holding two ancient George IV 18-pounder cannons) would all make good look out points.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 02 April 2009, 10:21:53 AM: Yeah I was thinking along the lines that he would support an independent Cornwall in return for support of his kingship, and allowing the Cornish to use lundy as a smuggling base of operations for a small fee.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 05 April 2009, 10:41:51 PM: Quote from: TadPortly on 02 April 2009, 10:10:38 AM
The three lighthouses and Fog Warning Battery (holding two ancient George IV 18-pounder cannons) would all make good look out points.

And a potentially interesting game - can the two 18 pounders be loaded ?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 05 April 2009, 10:51:29 PM: We picked up the sourcebook on Saturday, plus some militia figures, already have some sailors and an assortment of chaps with rifles and lewis guns, so it looks like North Yorkshire is about to enter the fray, with a mixture of North Riding Territorials, school cadet corps, and a combined RNVR/RNLI rifles force, supported by an old u-boat deck gun.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 06 April 2009, 03:53:48 PM: The Kernow Light Infantry now have an armoured car, having bought one at Triples on Saturday.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hastings on 09 April 2009, 08:07:04 PM: Not been on here for a while. Glad to see 1938 continuing to gain recruits and campaigns. We've got nothing on Cornwall at mo, although a few are taking up the Yorkshire and NE. Over on GWP we have a state of the war post for all the latest on campaigns feel free to contribute.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 10 April 2009, 11:35:14 AM: I'm currently writing and researching a background to my Cornish Army/Campaign, as soon as I've finished it I'll upload it here. Oh by the way what's GWP.

"Rydhsys rag Kernow lemmyn!" (Freedom for Cornwall)

Kernow bys vykken! ?(Cornwall forever)
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: paul c on 11 April 2009, 01:15:05 PM: GWP = gentlemen's wargaming parlour = http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 11 April 2009, 06:15:53 PM: Cheers for the link.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Phil_McCrackin on 13 April 2009, 03:41:37 PM: I've decided, I'm simply going to have to break down and buy the 1938 British Civil War book, along with trying to dig up the setting information for Crimson Skies. Then I have to find people in/around the Portland Oregon area who are similarly interested.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 26 April 2009, 01:04:18 PM: What's the accepted abreviation for A Very British Civil War? AVBCW? WECW(Weird English Civil War)?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Lowtardog on 26 April 2009, 01:13:35 PM: It tends to be called BCW but have also seen it with 1938 either before or afterwards
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Cory on 26 April 2009, 02:44:38 PM: ECW3 is what I've seen used the most.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Hammers on 26 April 2009, 06:34:07 PM: Quote from: Cory on 26 April 2009, 02:44:38 PM
ECW3 is what I've seen used the most.

What does the '3' stand for?
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: Cory on 26 April 2009, 06:52:38 PM: 3rd

Being an American I am only vaguely aware of the Cromwell era ECW and have no idea if it is the first or second.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: fastolfrus on 26 April 2009, 06:56:06 PM: Quote from: Cory on 26 April 2009, 06:52:38 PM
3rd

Being an American I am only vaguely aware of the Cromwell era ECW and have no idea if it is the first or second.

There were 2 in the 1640s - so that's the 1st and 2nd.
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: twrchtrwyth on 26 April 2009, 09:50:49 PM: Quote from: Cory on 26 April 2009, 02:44:38 PM
ECW3 is what I've seen used the most.
The guys behind it don't use this as technically a 3rd English civil war already happened and the background isn't an English civil war but a British one. So BCW is the one to go for. I'll try and dig up the thread on GWP3.

Edit:Here we go, second post by Hastings.
http://gwargamesp.18.forumer.com/index.php?s=ddfbc37ab0173cf0fb853680cd505217&showtopic=563
Title: Re: 1938 A very British Civil War
Post by: warhammergrimace on 08 July 2009, 02:53:41 PM: I've started coming up with some background for a Cornish Army.

What does everyone think of it so far.

The Kernow Federation

The country is in chaos, due to the King refusing to abdicate, Mosley’s rise to government, skirmishes between fascists and socialist with the result of Britain descending in to civil war. During this initial period of unrest, a group of leading Cornish politicians, businessmen and landowners saw an opportunity to bring Cornwall to independence.

This group of like minded Cornish nationalists led by Trevor Perithwick, a local businessman from Truro, and supported by the Gorseth Kernow, took power, government forces moved up to the boarder between Devon and Cornwall. Skirmishes broke out with neither faction gaining any ground.

The Gorseth Kernow (Gorsedd of Cornwall) was set up in 1928 at Boscawen-un by Henry Jenner, one of the early proponents of Cornish language revival, who took the name "Gwas Myghal", meaning "servant of Michael". He and twelve others were initiated by the Archdruid of Wales. The Kernow druids are harden supporters of an independent Cornwall, with some newly initiated Druids joining the ranks of the militia.

Skirmishes sprang up all over Cornwall between government supporters, socialists and the pro Kernow faction. These were soon put down with help of the Kernow military, Kernow Light Infantry, formerly known as the Cornish Light Infantry.

The military of Kernow were further bolstered when Cornish members of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines and those serving in the Devon and Dorsett Infantry Regiment started to defect across the boarder. A large unit of Royal Marines under the command of Lt. Thomas Hooper of Falmouth defected with equipment stolen from Plymouth Barracks, including a Universal Carrier.

Captain Andrew Trevorick a former Royal Naval officer is currently in the progress of developing a naval assault force, as well as a unit of smugglers and fishermen to bring goods, equipment and arms in top Kernow undetected. Already connections have been made in Ireland and Wales, and slowly a trickle of much needed goods has been successfully smuggled in to the county, along with several shipments of small arms and ammunition.

The siege of St. Michaels Mount

In November 1938 a group of dedicated supporters of the government, known as the South Western Black shirts Federation, took control of St. Michaels Mount. Approximatley 45 members positioned them selves in the grounds determined not hold the position, this would make a good strategic base for government forces intending on reclaiming Cornwall.

Troops under the command of Major Thomas Hooper, (Kernow Commando Battalion) launched a surprise attack under the cover of darkness. A bitter firefight lasting 6 hours took place during a cold Early December Morning, with the commandos taking several casualties, but not one survivor was left amongst the Black Shirts.

St. Michaels Mount was then turned into a military stronghold, which would also house the Kernow government during a time of crisis.
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Post by: Geudens on 08 July 2009, 05:18:37 PM: Well done, excellent essay, Grimace!

Rudi
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Post by: twrchtrwyth on 08 July 2009, 10:08:49 PM: Nice background ideas. 8)
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Post by: potter666 on 10 December 2009, 12:08:46 PM: Compelling stuff and some real inspiration for my own Cornish forces....well the Cornish forces that are interchangeable with my Geordie ones... ;)
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Post by: Arlequín on 10 December 2009, 02:52:02 PM: That must make for an interesting regional accent when attempting to get 'in character' for a game. ;)
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Post by: paul c on 12 December 2009, 05:01:22 PM: ha way, my lover?
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Post by: Red Orc on 12 December 2009, 08:44:49 PM: Quote from: paul c on 12 December 2009, 05:01:22 PM
ha way, my lover?

lol - that's hilarious.

I have nothing intelligent to add to that. Just my appreciation of the daftness.

Carry on.
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Post by: warhammergrimace on 31 December 2009, 02:05:06 PM: I've not added anything here on Cornwall for a while because I was asked to write the Cornish background for the next installment of VBCW book out in January. I thought it would be slightly unprofessional of me to then add that text up on any of the forums.

I'll be starting a thread here and adding to the existing thread on GWP late January, will also be writing some articles for Irregular magazine as well.

Jason