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Title: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 14 June 2015, 07:56:19 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YPNhp5LoPXA/VX3HQ46dbAI/AAAAAAAAIao/pvI5-hxYgxk/s1600/2.JPG)
The County of Tripoli was a crusader state in alliance with the kingdom of Jerusalem. The heraldry sported a golden cross with red interior on red ground. I painted the flag and surcoats according to that. The miniatures will either make 2 points of knights or 1 point of infantry on the crusader battle board for Saga - Crescent & Cross.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-z5l3tt8uSwQ/VX3HQvRDVvI/AAAAAAAAIak/v-9JP8jKb44/s1600/1.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QbrRj1Fl-Ek/VX3HSxL-3uI/AAAAAAAAIbA/Wn_4uzE5zsY/s1600/6.JPG)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lcyxKwz611o/VX3HSdbSsoI/AAAAAAAAIbI/5FsJN74coyk/s1600/5.JPG)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mElJarIt9EQ/VX3HTXcwiCI/AAAAAAAAIbE/d-nmIr1Uwgo/s1600/7.JPG)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cb_3wJ_Ymkk/VX3HR1YZ1LI/AAAAAAAAIa0/ugrXr99pECg/s1600/4.JPG)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pcJjbk8iJgk/VX3HTwP8HdI/AAAAAAAAIbU/PbY45Yzs89U/s1600/8.JPG)
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: Engel on 14 June 2015, 08:46:44 PM
Excellent stuff  :D
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: rumacara on 14 June 2015, 09:35:15 PM
Very good Michi. :-* :-*
Starting a new force for Saga?
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: Captain Blood on 14 June 2015, 09:50:56 PM
I like them better in close-up  :)

That is a very striking heraldry Michael. i think I shall have to add another Fireforge knight to my small feudal collection, using that very same pattern  8)
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: Neldoreth on 15 June 2015, 06:38:22 PM
Excellent stuff! A warband to be proud of!

thanks
n
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: Anderson Collection on 15 June 2015, 06:56:05 PM
Look great :-*
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: Sir Walter Rlyeh on 15 June 2015, 06:58:36 PM
Fantastic paint jobs!  Who manufactured the figures? 
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: rampantlion on 15 June 2015, 07:18:56 PM
Really nice work, I like the muted reds.  The flag is particularly well done.
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 17 June 2015, 03:40:53 PM
Fantastic paint jobs!  Who manufactured the figures? 

I believe they are Old Glory crusaders.
Title: Re: County of Tripoli - for Saga C&C
Post by: skip on 17 June 2015, 04:41:58 PM
very nice so far michi :)
Title: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 07 January 2018, 07:15:38 PM
On with the crusaders for Saga C&C! We decided to play the old system more often in 2018 before the new one gets its feet to the ground.
Here they are: 1 point of sergeants of the Knights Templar:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aSiIqKZ9hhI/WlJq4r9J87I/AAAAAAAAJtQ/NYQPKAP-VN0xrPYHE8cwfWlNmNvoPirJQCLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B044.JPG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-49PjakpU7Dc/WlJq1N6-a7I/AAAAAAAAJso/trgeuZe047AqBk2a4BS24m2F5ZiT2wpDgCLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B035.JPG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zUTqp-X3pL4/WlJq2Zp5JTI/AAAAAAAAJs4/asJeb4ObaOgfITOzysyjAgP9xypfmBwEwCLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B036.JPG)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uExvV1mfG7o/WlJq3ajju4I/AAAAAAAAJtE/m4l0EB8n3zEUKO6TPPCtv2P2GZSSl9XmACLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B040.JPG)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: aphillathehun on 07 January 2018, 07:42:29 PM

Really nice!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: rumacara on 07 January 2018, 07:56:09 PM
Great painting. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Captain Blood on 07 January 2018, 08:27:44 PM
Wonderful work on the banner in particular.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Orctrader on 07 January 2018, 08:31:41 PM
Excellent painting.   :)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: aircav on 07 January 2018, 09:10:48 PM
Fantastic work   8) 8)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Harry Faversham on 08 January 2018, 06:04:07 AM
On with the crusaders for Saga C&C! We decided to play the old system more often in 2018 before the new one gets its feet to the ground.
Here they are: 1 point of sergeants of the Knights Templar:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aSiIqKZ9hhI/WlJq4r9J87I/AAAAAAAAJtQ/NYQPKAP-VN0xrPYHE8cwfWlNmNvoPirJQCLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B044.JPG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-49PjakpU7Dc/WlJq1N6-a7I/AAAAAAAAJso/trgeuZe047AqBk2a4BS24m2F5ZiT2wpDgCLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B035.JPG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zUTqp-X3pL4/WlJq2Zp5JTI/AAAAAAAAJs4/asJeb4ObaOgfITOzysyjAgP9xypfmBwEwCLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B036.JPG)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uExvV1mfG7o/WlJq3ajju4I/AAAAAAAAJtE/m4l0EB8n3zEUKO6TPPCtv2P2GZSSl9XmACLcBGAs/s1600/tEMPLER%2B040.JPG)


They look stunning, but bin the daft looking bright green edges to their bases.

 :)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: janner on 08 January 2018, 06:08:22 AM
Nicely done  :)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 08 January 2018, 07:21:05 AM
They look stunning, but bin the daft looking bright green edges to their bases.

 :)

What would you suggest? Khaki? Sand? Black?
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Andym on 08 January 2018, 07:26:04 AM
Excellent! 8) nice to see you back at this!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Hu Rhu on 08 January 2018, 09:51:47 AM
Very nice, especially the banner.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Harry Faversham on 08 January 2018, 11:57:05 AM
What would you suggest? Khaki? Sand? Black?

Michi, in my 'umble opinion try one in either khaki or sand. To be fair it's nowt to do with me as they're your models, but to me, the green looks very seventies Warhammer!

:)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 08 January 2018, 12:24:46 PM
to me, the green looks very seventies Warhammer!

You hit the nail. It´s green due to gaming and blending on a GW static grass mat...  ::)
However I do prefer playing on a proper desert table with them and will therefore consider painting the edges to blend with the base itself.

Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Bugsda on 08 January 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Excellent muted red Michi, I might give that a go.

I usually go for over the top bright and hope it doesn't look too orange.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Too Bo Coo on 08 January 2018, 04:11:57 PM
The figures and banners, top stuff. The bases.... ouch.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Codsticker on 08 January 2018, 06:43:35 PM
What would you suggest? Khaki? Sand? Black?
I don't mind the green- compliments the sand base nicely 8), however my preference these days is black edges on bases (it goes with everything!).
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Too Bo Coo on 08 January 2018, 06:59:29 PM
I do like black on the rims of the bases, it sets them apart from the table. Like this:

(https://i.imgur.com/3aI9hxz.jpg)

or you can do this and have them blend in

(https://i.imgur.com/gOgptRt.jpg)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 08 January 2018, 08:14:37 PM
I did a test on the first of the Knights Templar. I like the khaki better than the green, but would hardly go any lighter. What do you think?
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2603_08_01_18_9_12_25.JPG)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Charlie_ on 08 January 2018, 08:34:20 PM
Looks better than the green for sure.

Why don't you want to go any lighter though? I think lighter would look better!

Though I would put my vote in for black edges - that's what I do.

A dark rich brown could also work well...

And oh yeah... nice minis!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Harry Faversham on 09 January 2018, 01:15:12 AM
I went for dark brown on The Knights of the Oblong Table...

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103424.0;attach=68069;image)

 ;)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 09 January 2018, 08:23:03 AM
I went for dark brown on The Knights of the Oblong Table... ;)

The brown does not convince me completely. Your bases seem to look sand toned with grass and the gaming surface looks like a grass mat too. I think I would in fact have preferred green edges in that case.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Vagabond on 09 January 2018, 09:01:07 AM
Very nicely painted figures and the banners are superb.

Bases seem to polarise people, you can only do what appeals to you.

 My only thought would be if you want to hide the side of the base have you considered taking the basing  texture and colour down the sides as well as on top of the base?
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 09 January 2018, 10:17:57 AM
have you considered taking the basing  texture and colour down the sides as well as on top of the base?

I like my miniatures being "framed" by their bases. That looks better off table when on display, I think.
I believe I will be sticking with the khaki edges on these. Repainted all of them yesterday and will do that on my formerly finished crusaders and pirates too (basically all those based on "sand")...

Thanks to all for opinions and advice! This is why I like the LAF that much.  :)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Axebreaker on 09 January 2018, 03:19:38 PM
The figures look great Michi! 8)

Christopher
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Eric the Shed on 09 January 2018, 03:38:32 PM
Figures look great...

personally I prefer black edges to my movement trays/bases

Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Harry Faversham on 10 January 2018, 12:18:10 AM
The brown does not convince me completely. Your bases seem to look sand toned with grass and the gaming surface looks like a grass mat too. I think I would in fact have preferred green edges in that case.

To be fair they don't convince me much either, I just wanted away from that seventies green look! The gaming surfaces are blocks of polystyrene, green one one side and desert coloured on the other, they look a bit cartoonish but kind of fit the old skool' style wargamin I've gone back to! Here's the terrien thingys turned over for a Crudator and Saracen tonking match...

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90474.0;attach=56200;image)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90474.0;attach=56201;image)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90474.0;attach=56202;image)

;)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 10 January 2018, 05:44:37 AM
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90474.0;attach=56202;image)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2603_08_01_18_9_12_25.JPG)

There´s not too much difference, I think. Therefore I take that it works now. However I thought about grinding the base down to make it thinner.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Harry Faversham on 10 January 2018, 10:34:04 AM
Same here I think they look spot on.

 :-*
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 02 February 2018, 11:24:51 AM
Same here I think they look spot on.

 :-*

Thanks!

I kept on painting the edges khaki now:

One point worth of Saga:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VPfIMLzkX88/WmumzSM5vXI/AAAAAAAAJtw/YBs3F1WmNEUs2rwaWHRWhFyvqhOikHthgCLcBGAs/s1600/Templer%2B056%2B-%2BKopie.JPG)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gb7kynkp0Rc/WmumzsCfQbI/AAAAAAAAJt0/DoJQd97WTzouvJl7bFEQT-wm-B_xTs42wCLcBGAs/s1600/Templer%2B058%2B-%2BKopie.JPG)

And another point:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FxIR-8Fyw5M/Wmum0LSbWyI/AAAAAAAAJt4/Kh6X9yDy-nwZRetAedKs6g0i62j9--5LQCLcBGAs/s1600/Templer%2B060.JPG)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-v9_HWVxlNn4/Wmum0URSaEI/AAAAAAAAJt8/HJ5HGTV3eIEzaMWgnnpA3_xBrZ-pMalJQCLcBGAs/s1600/Templer%2B059%2B-%2BKopie.JPG)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2rTVa_cc0do/Wmum1EDcGbI/AAAAAAAAJuE/0O_ZBfZLKCAaU8eGuQ_FAv1NMm7vpYaDQCLcBGAs/s1600/Templer%2B062.JPG)
Now my mounted Templars alone assemble an army of 5 points in Saga terms. 1 point for each detachment of four knights and 1 point for the eight sergeants. Together with the sergeants on foot that´s 7 points already. I have to do a few crossbows too to have a little choice for composition of my "task force Jerusalem"...
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5V1uBPv9Yck/Wmum04MnbPI/AAAAAAAAJuA/WzFnXvDMBa8BKwf44uIn-l9wTmaPZw6GQCLcBGAs/s1600/Templer%2B067.JPG)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Hu Rhu on 02 February 2018, 02:23:42 PM
Lovely painting. I especially love the banners.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Andym on 02 February 2018, 06:34:07 PM
Fantastic! :-* The bottom picture could’ve been taken straight from tapestry!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Koyote on 02 February 2018, 07:21:45 PM
Your mounted Templars look amazing!  

Three thumbs up!  (https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7610/CMiyGQ.gif)(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7610/CMiyGQ.gif)(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7610/CMiyGQ.gif)

Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: rumacara on 02 February 2018, 07:48:43 PM
Lovelly work Michael. :-* :-*
And the khaki edges bases look good.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Hupp n at em on 02 February 2018, 11:10:05 PM
Very nice painting! Interesting to see one of the other Crusader States' heraldry in miniature, you usually only see the knightly orders and the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 03 March 2018, 11:43:01 AM
I noticed that I have no desert terrain pieces to provide a bit of LOS blocking, therefore I built a simple rock formation from canned PU-foam and sand to play a little Crescent&Cross next week...
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-POSdl5BC2k4/Wpp8yThriyI/AAAAAAAAJwI/DbxLKmstWI4novN0B4Z5cRyBuRtdZEznQCLcBGAs/s1600/Felsen%2B015.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LEtITxPCrPA/Wpp8zYDR9aI/AAAAAAAAJwM/ecv48Cn8T-kk9BBOvJ9UGaGaOtXs_HZOwCLcBGAs/s1600/Felsen%2B016.JPG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gtHUcW0EzoU/Wpp8zhL0L3I/AAAAAAAAJwQ/NUGka9RMG54s3iu4oqNQkX8_aTB-Yh4kACLcBGAs/s1600/Felsen%2B017.JPG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MOV8dihLod4/Wpp80dGROeI/AAAAAAAAJwU/Pl4aUblVFC02r-Wq5nK5FY3kMIbGWLJPQCLcBGAs/s1600/Felsen%2B018.JPG)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Little Odo on 03 March 2018, 07:27:04 PM
Very effective - looks great.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: DintheDin on 03 March 2018, 07:53:01 PM
Fantastic! :-* The bottom picture could’ve been taken straight from tapestry!

I just caught up with this thread.
Great paintjob and I like very much the texture of your flags!
Keep'em coming!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: King Arthur on 06 March 2018, 10:10:25 AM
The painting is great Michi  :)

Now tell everyone how many 1's were rolled in last night's battle for Attack and Defense  ;)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: DintheDin on 06 March 2018, 11:18:38 AM
I noticed that I have no desert terrain pieces to provide a bit of LOS blocking, therefore I built a simple rock formation from canned PU-foam and sand to play a little Crescent&Cross next week...


This rock formation looks great!  :-* Very inspiring!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Axebreaker on 07 March 2018, 05:35:45 PM
Beautiful looking warband Michi! :-*

Christopher
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 07 March 2018, 05:42:49 PM
Lovely work  :)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 07 March 2018, 07:05:33 PM
Thanks for the kind comments. I managed to put that rock on the table for the first time. 12 points per side Crescent&Cross...  :D
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k697UrcZL4s/Wp6vJ3lEAKI/AAAAAAAAJxA/Qc2JBBT2kpAgFdsDsnFiO3SQcv5cMt0ywCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC_0823.JPG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-f63umd5Av54/Wp6vOE3fUOI/AAAAAAAAJxc/ehPtvF3DLi0UQ31A6wZvpDIzLAXhZEICQCLcBGAs/s1600/DSC_0831.JPG)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Hu Rhu on 07 March 2018, 08:56:45 PM
Very nice set up indeed, and the rock.....rocks.  :D
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Breazer on 09 March 2018, 08:01:28 AM
They really look awesome! the whole bunch together with the banners sticking out is an amazing sight.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 09 March 2018, 08:12:29 AM
They really look awesome! the whole bunch together with the banners sticking out is an amazing sight.

Thank you! Yes, banners do add a lot to the look of an army - I don´t know if that was historically correct, but I loved the sight of the overwhelming mass of banners in KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and wanted to have at least a tad of it with my crusaders...  ;)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Breazer on 01 April 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Thank you! Yes, banners do add a lot to the look of an army - I don´t know if that was historically correct, but I loved the sight of the overwhelming mass of banners in KINGDOM OF HEAVEN and wanted to have at least a tad of it with my crusaders...  ;)
Same here, If you like that look you can never have enough banners.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 07 April 2018, 10:13:44 PM
And the caravan keeps moving on...

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6nNeH9uVyms/Wsky-gESKGI/AAAAAAAAJ1M/liauk-oFowIak5m4eI6UNXn8J0TS6yRmACLcBGAs/s1600/Kamele%2B009.JPG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-R5y0NasGnIo/Wsky-V_6t6I/AAAAAAAAJ1I/azOWP9on3mIYlIxftfPAIlSLX_TIqXMQQCLcBGAs/s1600/Kamele%2B010.JPG)

Two more for the caravan to be looted in Saga: The Crescent and The Cross.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: aircav on 08 April 2018, 07:37:39 AM
Fantastic stuff  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 15 December 2019, 10:58:29 AM
I have to do a few crossbows too to have a little choice for composition of my "task force Jerusalem"...

My Templar cavalry urgently needed some artillery support , therefore I finally finished a few crossbowmen:

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zjjbkmQ5CB4/XevKW9n3rAI/AAAAAAAAKmI/h9LiwVrsqxUB-N1NR6Qu4p_O7A3Lb-k_ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/IMG_3202.JPG)
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Andym on 16 December 2019, 09:42:20 AM
Nice! 8) I always love your smooth painting Michi!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: FierceKitty on 16 December 2019, 02:56:07 PM
I bet any crusader army would have been delighted to have that sort of cavalry proportion!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Blackwolf on 16 December 2019, 07:41:44 PM
Beautiful work mate  :-*
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: tancrede on 17 December 2019, 07:56:08 AM
Nice minis, sir !
I love the camels.

And a 12pts battle is really impressive !
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: bonewolf22 on 26 December 2019, 09:48:54 PM
These are great! The deep red and bright yellow color scheme is very striking! Did you make any adjustments for running a 12 point game or did you use the rules as is? The default 8 saga dice limit and the restrictions on repeat uses of advanced abilities seem like they might impede large scale battles like this.
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: peleset on 27 December 2019, 04:53:09 AM
Not seen this thread before.
 
Those flags are lovely, that first one is positively sumptuous!
Title: Re: Crusaders - for Saga C&C
Post by: Michi on 27 December 2019, 08:29:44 AM
Did you make any adjustments for running a 12 point game or did you use the rules as is? The default 8 saga dice limit and the restrictions on repeat uses of advanced abilities seem like they might impede large scale battles like this.

We played a four player C&C, each with his hown Battle Board and set of Saga Dice and rolled for initiative each turn. The only restriction was never to attack the ally. A lot of talking, tactics, negotiations, confusion and fun!
Here ist the AAR with a couple of more photos (although in German): http://tableterror.blogspot.com/2018/03/gestern-im-heiligen-land.html