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Title: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on June 29, 2015, 12:20:43 PM
Some recently completed WSS French

(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo356/Chris_Steadman/DSCN2548_zpsrnlmkdgj.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/Chris_Steadman/media/DSCN2548_zpsrnlmkdgj.jpg.html)


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(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo356/Chris_Steadman/DSCN2560_zps3c2lbkru.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/Chris_Steadman/media/DSCN2560_zps3c2lbkru.jpg.html)




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(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo356/Chris_Steadman/DSCN2559_zpswdcwolst.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/Chris_Steadman/media/DSCN2559_zpswdcwolst.jpg.html)

Provence Regt.

Figures by Front Rank and flags by GMB.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: rumacara on June 29, 2015, 12:48:52 PM
Very nice. :-* :-*
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 29, 2015, 12:58:50 PM
Lovely work  :-* :-*

Forgive the rather daft question but is the white flag, white on white?

cheers

James
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on June 29, 2015, 01:18:46 PM
Lovely work  :-* :-*

Forgive the rather daft question but is the white flag, white on white?

cheers

James

Thank you.

Essentially yes. The 'Colonel's' flag (Colonelle) at the time was an all white affair; all regiments had one, but there were differences in the details. The coloured flag (Drapeau d’ordonnance) is what distinguished the Regiment and was unique to each.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: gringo on June 29, 2015, 01:50:04 PM
superb work :o

regards
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Sparrow on June 29, 2015, 07:56:11 PM
Cor! They're nice!!!
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Phil Robinson on June 29, 2015, 08:02:35 PM
Superb stuff, the colour tone on the coats is wonderful.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Shipka on June 29, 2015, 08:10:45 PM
Some of the best painting I have seen for sometime
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: gustav on June 30, 2015, 07:26:13 AM
Indeed inspiring work, particularly the faces for me.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Marine0846 on June 30, 2015, 04:24:47 PM
Excellent painted figures.
Love the coats and the faces.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Nonox on July 01, 2015, 09:51:32 AM
The 'Colonel's' flag (Colonelle)

In French, it's said "Colonel" also. Sometimes, the words are the same in english and french !!!  lol

Very nice painting !!! I love your bases !!!  :-*

Absolutely gorgeous !!!  ;D

Congratulations...

Best regards

Nonox
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Malamute on July 01, 2015, 10:01:47 AM
Superb brushwork, wonderful stuff. :-* ;D

Can I make one small observation about the flags to really finish them off?

Touch up the joins in the appropriate colour in this case reb and black, I find just running the brush along the edge does the trick and hides the white paper.

Hope you don't mind me saying it, they are really superb, just thought I'd mention it. :)
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on July 01, 2015, 10:09:12 AM
In French, it's said "Colonel" also. Sometimes, the words are the same in english and french !!!  lol

Very nice painting !!! I love your bases !!!  :-*

Absolutely gorgeous !!!  ;D

Congratulations...

Best regards

Nonox

Thanks for the compliments.

I am aware of the modern French spelling of Colonel. I was quoting Robert Hall and his usage of the word in his 2001 book. I had assumed historically the spelling had differed. But thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on July 01, 2015, 10:13:04 AM
Superb brushwork, wonderful stuff. :-* ;D

Can I make one small observation about the flags to really finish them off?

Touch up the joins in the appropriate colour in this case reb and black, I find just running the brush along the edge does the trick and hides the white paper.

Hope you don't mind me saying it, they are really superb, just thought I'd mention it. :)

Thanks for the compliment.

Yes, I noticed after taking the pictures that I had forgotten to edge the flags. Having done this kind of thing for 40 years I am quite pleased that I still have a youthful rush to show off what I have done! I actually find that artist's felt pens make it a much quicker and easier job. Also, in the past, I have found that the paper can cut the sable on expensive brushes.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Malamute on July 01, 2015, 10:20:32 AM
Thanks for the compliment.

Yes, I noticed after taking the pictures that I had forgotten to edge the flags. Having done this kind of thing for 40 years I am quite pleased that I still have a youthful rush to show off what I have done! I actually find that artist's felt pens make it a much quicker and easier job. Also, in the past, I have found that the paper can cut the sable on expensive brushes.

Never thought of felt pens, makes perfect sense. :)
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Captain Blood on July 01, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
Very nice Chris.
I alays have slightly mixed feelings about Front Rank figures, with that very distinctive style they have.
But for the late C17th and early C18th, they really do capture the flavour somehow.
Great stuff.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on July 01, 2015, 11:47:17 AM
Very nice Chris.
I alays have slightly mixed feelings about Front Rank figures, with that very distinctive style they have.
But for the late C17th and early C18th, they really do capture the flavour somehow.
Great stuff.

Thanks Captain, appreciate the compliment.

I know exactly what you mean about Front Rank figures. I have a lot of nostalgia for them and when they first launched as a company their stuff was at the top of the hobby. They area  bit short, big faced and there can be a lot of variety between the hands on individual figures, but I love the WSS range. I really like painting the faces, indeed the whole figure often feels like it was sculpted for the painter.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: verd on July 01, 2015, 01:07:27 PM
They look awesome. Wow!!!
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Captain Blood on July 01, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
I know exactly what you mean about Front Rank figures. I have a lot of nostalgia for them and when they first launched as a company their stuff was at the top of the hobby. They area  bit short, big faced and there can be a lot of variety between the hands on individual figures, but I love the WSS range. I really like painting the faces, indeed the whole figure often feels like it was sculpted for the painter.

Completely agree with you Chris.
They are very easy and pleasurable figures to paint. I've got a good few of their Late C17th range under my belt, and they are always a pleasure to paint. Reminds me I really must do some more of them  :)
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Jeppan on July 02, 2015, 11:44:57 AM
I must say that this was indeed well painted minis..... :-*

Front Rank are first class minis and easy to achieve a reasonable result with. An alternative for this period must be Ebor. I even think that Ebor and Front Rank can be mixed.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on July 02, 2015, 12:06:44 PM
Thanks for the compliment, even if it is 'easy' to do a good job with Front Rank.

I do have some Ebor figures as well, to use for my Bavarian contingent. I have to say that the quality of casting is pretty poor compared with the Front Rank figures I have. Very significant mould lines that are going to take a lot of time and effort to remove.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Calimero on July 02, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
I thought that Provence had a grey coat in the WSS… Looking at your figures, I first thought they were Royal Italien

Anyhow, they look great!!! :-* 8) :-*

I really like those Front Rank figures. IIRC, I have 7 Infantry units (24 figures), 4 guns and 4 cavalry units (12 figures) to paint…
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on July 02, 2015, 05:39:11 PM
I thought that Provence had a grey coat in the WSS… Looking at your figures, I first thought they were Royal Italien

Anyhow, they look great!!! :-* 8) :-*

I really like those Front Rank figures. IIRC, I have 7 Infantry units (24 figures), 4 guns and 4 cavalry units (12 figures) to paint…


Thanks for the compliment.

Sources vary. They changed from brown to grey sometime between 1702 and 1715.
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Arthur on July 02, 2015, 07:55:28 PM
I thought that Provence had a grey coat in the WSS… Looking at your figures, I first thought they were Royal Italien

The 1702 Etat des troupes de France confirms that Provence wore brown coats faced red in 1702. The switch to grey coats came later during the WSS, though the exact year does not seem to be known.   

The grey coats for the WSS come from Lienhard & Humbert, which should be treated with extreme caution as they mostly took uniform details from the second half of the C18th and applied them to the reign of Louis XIV. It bears repeating that L&H are a secondary source, not a primary one, and that most of their 'research' is mildly spurious, even if they got things right for a number of regiments - i.e those whose facing colours did not change between the late C17th and the 1760's.   

Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Arthur on July 02, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
Thanks for the compliment, even if it is 'easy' to do a good job with Front Rank.

I do have some Ebor figures as well, to use for my Bavarian contingent. I have to say that the quality of casting is pretty poor compared with the Front Rank figures I have. Very significant mould lines that are going to take a lot of time and effort to remove.

I like the Ebor figures a lot, and Ebor's probably the only company I know which makes French grenadiers without buttonhole lace (a particular bugbear of mine : French grenadiers wore the exact same coats as the fusiliers and only had buttonhole lace if the rest of the regiment had it as well). I like the proportional - if slightly fragile - Ebor muskets as well : the flintlock bazookas that the Front Rank guys are toting always were the deal breaker for me, much more than their chunky build.


The figures I got did not seem to suffer much from casting woes : perhaps the ones you received came from aging moulds ?  
Title: Re: 28mm War of Spanish Succession, French.
Post by: Chris Steadman on July 02, 2015, 08:12:32 PM
I like the Ebor figures a lot, and Ebor's probably the only company I know which makes French grenadiers without buttonhole lace (a particular bugbear of mine : French grenadiers wore the exact same coats as the fusiliers and only had buttonhole lace if the rest of the regiment had it as well). I like the proportional - if slightly fragile - Ebor muskets as well : the flintlock bazookas that the Front Rank guys are toting always were the deal breaker for me, much more than their chunky build.


The figures I got did not seem to suffer much from casting woes : perhaps the ones you received came from aging moulds ?  

I bought them about a month after they were first released and I was really disappointed  :(