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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: dijit on 19 July 2015, 09:09:19 AM
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Having spent many a summer in my childhood in Dumfries I got a serious infection of borderer as a kid. Once in a while it blossoms up again, such as now. I've found myself hunting through various ranges looking for border reiver minis. Started first with 15mm, but the pickings seem small.
Then started looking at 28mm. Found the lovely ones from Hokahey, but from what I've heard they don't mix well with other ranges, a pity as these are by far the nicest minis. Then there's the TAG range which seems nice, but seems more geared towards larger confrontations and lacks skirmish character, ie there are few sword and buckler. The reiver castings ones seem poor though have a good variety. Them there's warlord games plastic/metal reivers which though are for ECW could be made to work. Then there's the range from SGMM, the old vendell range, but these are on the wrong side of the pond and I don't want to pay a ransom fee to the post office to get them. That said they seem to be the ideal range.
So a few questions. Have I missed any ranges? Does anyone have a size comparison of the Hokahey minis against the TAG ones? I at one point seemed to find the same Hokahey range but for less, does anyone know where? Thirdly, are the vendel minis available from anywhere in the EU?
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Foundry
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I personally like the old Jim Bownen sculpts available fro Hoka Hey now:
http://www.hokaheywargaming.co.uk/Border%20Reivers.html
They're full of character. Personal taste of course.
Darrell.
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Dijit, my thread on this very site has photos of Hokahey mixed in with Vendel and I also mount Hokahey Cavalry onto plastic horses because their horses only come in one pose.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=77097.0
Hope this is of some help.
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I like the hokahey-minis, but was thinking about doing a kit-bash with the new Perry light horse and the warlord ECW range to make some mounted border horse skirmishers.
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Outpost wargames services has a large range off Reivers. The figures seem a bit dated by todays standards but have a certain charm. They are also a great company to do business with. I used to have great chats with the owners wife whenever I ordered from them. She is a long suffering wargamers wife.
I have a load of them painted and some Foundry. have just ordered a sample pack from TAG and will do the same for Hokahey..
Will post pics here when have time.
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ps I provided some comparison pics for the Steel bonnets yahoo group years ago but it seems as dead as the grave now.
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I've got a number of the Outpost Reivers, I quite like the fact that they have a lot of the same figures figures mounted and dismounted, ideal for skirmish games
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Don't the Perrys do 40mm figures for this?
cheers
James
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I personally like the old Jim Bowen sculpts...
Me too.
(Didn't recognise the name of the current seller though, so thanks for the link. Thought they were carried by someone else. ???)
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ps I provided some comparison pics for the Steel bonnets yahoo group years ago but it seems as dead as the grave now.
It is unfortunately, I set it up a good few years ago with the chap from monolith but the period seems to have died off in popularity. I flogged all my figures off long time ago. Originally monolith then vendel with foundry swashbucklers mixed in. I also at the time expaned my games into Ireland as the vendel range came out. From this I ended up deviating into conquistadors aztecs and inca....again projects gone to ebay😁 jim bowen stuff would be my call as they do mounted and foot characters which are great. Captain blood used bicorne horse for reivers that I remember and they were rather good. Also casting room minis has a couple of swash buckler packs on ebay (foundry figure) which are musketeers with head swaps from thei swash buckler range.
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There's always the Perry 40mm range which is superb!
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_42_44
Just a matter of persuading everyone in your gaming group that it's a good idea to go for 40mm.
Darrell.
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No idea why they went for 40mm, however nice though the minis are.
Looks like I'll be going with TAG for fillers and foundry and perhaps Hokahey characters. Pity the vendell minis aren't available on this side of the Atlantic :/
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Like you, I've come about 10 years late to Border Reivers as a gaming project. I'm mainly using the Jim Bowen 'Graven Images' range from Hokahey which, while quite 'heroic' in size, blend in pretty well with the Foundry stuff, though they are much heftier than the TAG Tudors. I've also replaced the original horses with an assortment of plastic ones, as Jeff has already mentioned.
Somewhere, I've got a box of assorted Vendel Reivers, ordered from Sergeant Major Miniatures about 18 months ago - some are quite nice, but the moulds are showing their age. Might end up sticking them on Ebay if anyone is interested, as there are better alternatives out there these days.
Simon
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What rules are you planning on using?
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I personally like the old Jim Bownen sculpts available fro Hoka Hey now:
http://www.hokaheywargaming.co.uk/Border%20Reivers.html
They're full of character. Personal taste of course.
I'm with Darrell here - they're lovely models, their only drawbacks being that they're a tad 'well-fed' and there aren't enough variations in horse poses. Anatomically, they're much better than the old Vendel ones, which had no necks. They also have a better mix of weapons - I always felt that there were too many firearms in the Vendel range.
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What rules are you planning on using?
Absolutely no idea. So suggestions well received.
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I like TAG Figures and Graven images, but both are let down by the horses.
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Absolutely no idea. So suggestions well received.
Osprey are bringing out some skirmish rules 'En Garde' in January which are supposed to cover 16th C - early 18th C. might be worth a look.
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Osprey are bringing out some skirmish rules 'En Garde' in January which are supposed to cover 16th C - early 18th C. might be worth a look.
I hadn't heard that, sounds interesting. Do you have a link?
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Not much info here, but it's a start: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=80328.0
I've only heard good things about Ronin, so this might prove to be awesome. I wonder if it can be played in 40mm...
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There are quite a few free sets in the yahoo group, you could also use other skirmish sets, SOBH have a swashbuckling set of rules, Donnybrook would work well too, and I dare say sharp practice
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There are additional rules and faction lists for Tudors and Reivers on the 'Lion Rampant' forum which look good. I'm also thinking of Sharp Practice, adapting some of the ideas from their WOTR variant.
And there are several rule sets including a nice campaign 'Hot Trod' ready to download from t'internet.
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There are additional rules and faction lists for Tudors and Reivers on the 'Lion Rampant' forum which look good. I'm also thinking of Sharp Practice, adapting some of the ideas from their WOTR variant.
And there are several rule sets including a nice campaign 'Hot Trod' ready to download from t'internet.
Hot trod and red hand were the set I used, written by mates and loosley based on chronopia rules mechanism
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Captain Blood had a game of Border Reivers at the first BLAM (oh, my, THAT table :-* ) for which he had adjusted a set of rules to good effect - try asking him!
And, if you manage to have anything playable ready, please bring it for Horisont, and I'll promise to attend wearing a belted plaid/great kilt! :D
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Thanks for all the suggestions!
And, if you manage to have anything playable ready, please bring it for Horisont, and I'll promise to attend wearing a belted plaid/great kilt! :D
I hadn't thought that I'd be at horizont this year as I'm likely to become a dad for the second time around there. However, seeing you in a kilt would be amusing!
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Thanks for all the suggestions!
I hadn't thought that I'd be at horizont this year as I'm likely to become a dad for the second time around there. However, seeing you in a kilt would be amusing!
Oh, that's great news, anyway. Guess you'll have to miss out for this time... ;)
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So my birthday happened ;)
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0842_zpsiadlfr6r.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0842_zpsiadlfr6r.jpg.html)
Osprey's Border Reivers 1513-1603 (and Osprey's 'The Border Reivers' on the way), George MacDonald Fraser's The Steel Bonnets, Alistair Moffat's The Borders, a good mix of Hoka Hey border minis and one of the crofts, and some Elizabethan swashbucklers from Foundry. Time for basing and painting. Then needing to get a few horse and cattle. Looking forwards to seeing Osprey's En Garde next year too.
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As for rules, try Witchfinder General -leaving out the supernatural bits. However, if you're into the Border Ballads of the time, you might well want to include the supernatural.
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So my birthday happened ;)
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0842_zpsiadlfr6r.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0842_zpsiadlfr6r.jpg.html)
Osprey's Border Reivers 1513-1603 (and Osprey's 'The Border Reivers' on the way), George MacDonald Fraser's The Steel Bonnets, Alistair Moffat's The Borders, a good mix of Hoka Hey border minis and one of the crofts, and some Elizabethan swashbucklers from Foundry. Time for basing and painting. Then needing to get a few horse and cattle. Looking forwards to seeing Osprey's En Garde next year too.
Excellent haul!
I must say this is a project that's at the back.of my mind. Will follow this thread with interest!
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A cracking little project
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Dijit, enjoy George McDonald Fraser's masterful book. It's a fantastic read.
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Actually witchfinder general hadnt crossed my mind as Id thought of it mainky as ECW, but i guess theres no reason not to have a butchers at it. Ive spent the evening trimming flashing, and glueing to bases. Next job sand and pva glue then on to undercoating. Excitement for getting started is building!
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I think Witchfinder General is broad enough to fit the bill. IIRC they have additional rules for crossbows, longbows and shields in the Files Section of the Yahoo group (which is known as TheWitchfinderGeneral).
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I'm also looking forward to the release of En Garde in the New Year.
Also kicking myself for selling off most of my Borderers years ago (after my main opponent buggered off back to the grim North lol). I did hang onto enough figures for a small skirmish, so shouldn't have to start painting as soon as En garde comes out!
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Any progress on this? I'm most interested...
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Er, yes there's progress. Not much so far. I've not managed to paint all hat much yet a single ridder, and 9 on foot. I'll get my act together and post a picture tomorrow.
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As promised, here's a few pictures of the few minis I've managed to get painted this autumn. My turn out has been pretty poor to be honest, but here's to hoping that will change.
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0075_zpsohslvcgm.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0075_zpsohslvcgm.jpg.html)
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0074_zpsa58ladmk.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0074_zpsa58ladmk.jpg.html)
In the last picture you can see a Foundry Swashbuckler with the Graven Images Borderers. To my eye he doesn't look out of place.
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I hope to be able to play with these on this year's Horisont Convention ;)
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I hope to be able to play with these on this year's Horisont Convention ;)
I'll have to get a move on then!
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I'll have to get a move on then!
:D
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Nice work with the minis. To my eye no problem mixing different ranges together.
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Thanks for posting. The difference looks quite marginal, perfectly within acceptable bounds in my world.
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Very nice little clan there. The Foundry Swashbuckler fits (he's a tad smaller and slimmer, but well within the normal range of human variables)
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Isn't the mounted guy Vendel/Sgt Major? He's got that look abt him...
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Yup
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Isn't the mounted guy Vendel/Sgt Major? He's got that look abt him...
I think so yes, but I dont really know tbh.
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if I could inject a question into this thread
Hoka Hey have two packs of Broken Men, what were they
Thanks
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Exiles from their own families and other assorted outlaws, if I read correctly.
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Hoka Hey have two packs of Broken Men, what were they
Broken men are generally men who have no clan ties anymore. Many reivers were wanted at some point or another, but the ridding families (or clans if you want) protected them. Though sometimes justice was carried out in one form or another. Broken men differed in that they had no ridding family to protect them and were generally acknowledged as being beyond any form of the law (however weak, bizarre or corrupt that law may be). Sometimes they'd be hired as extra hands on a raid, but generally lived by thieving from any and all.
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Truthfully, there is nothing in that pack that distinguishes those particular figures as broken men vice being members "in good (?) standing" of a riding family.
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Well I've lost my painting mojo, but I have been busy building terrain. I've got hold of a load of 11" square plywood tiles (why 11"? Who knows!) Not having access to the ubiquitous blue foam (no where seems to stock it here in Denmark), I've had to do with expanded polystyrene sheets. Not the best, but it'll work.
So far the tiles have been glued together, rivers carved out and a couple of rocky hills built. The hills are also made from polystyrene, heavily carved, the random offcuts glued back on in random places and all covered in a good thick layer of polyfiller, sand, paint, PVa glue and cornflower. It gives a good limestone texture. The groundwork has also been started with sand and paint covering everywhere that isn't getting some other treatment.
Next step is to finish the rocks, paint the rivers and dry bush the peat banks. Then a good mixture of flock on the grass.
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0065_zps7s3lh5gv.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0065_zps7s3lh5gv.jpg.html)
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0062_zpsspvwvhnk.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0062_zpsspvwvhnk.jpg.html)
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0063_zpscshblsf2.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0063_zpscshblsf2.jpg.html)
I've also started the small croft I got way back at the started of this project, so that the turf roof can have the same treatment as the rest of the grass.
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0064_zpspdz60szn.jpg) (http://s1338.photobucket.com/user/Dijit1980/media/IMG_0064_zpspdz60szn.jpg.html)
Anyway just to say the project isn't dead and is progressing (ever so very) slowly!
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You certainly made more progress during the last 3 months than I have lol
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You certainly made more progress during the last 3 months than I have lol
I don't know, it seems that you've got a lot of vikings well on the way.
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Great work dijit. I've currently hauled all my reivers out of storage, returned them to the tabletop as I'm using them as Guildsmen in a fantasy setting with 'Dragon Rampant' rules (DR/LR seems to lend themselves well to warband-style warfare.)
Anyway, I live in and around the Borders so would be happy to post you up some pictures if it suits as inspiration :)
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Great work dijit. I've currently hauled all my reivers out of storage, returned them to the tabletop as I'm using them as Guildsmen in a fantasy setting with 'Dragon Rampant' rules (DR/LR seems to lend themselves well to warband-style warfare.)
Anyway, I live in and around the Borders so would be happy to post you up some pictures if it suits as inspiration :)
For a spell I was fascinated with bastles/Bastille ,their construction etc
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Got several close to where I live, some now in the strangest of guises (one a fish & chip shop?) and I almost bought one when I was house-hunting.
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Can you imagine if you restored one ,and visitors had to climb a ladder to a first floor lol
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Having your own Bastle house would be pretty cool.
Anyway, I live in and around the Borders so would be happy to post you up some pictures if it suits as inspiration :)
That would be awesome! Thank you! I spent many holiday in Dumfrieshire, so have plenty of mental images, but fresh ones never hurt ;)
I've also been busy and made progress on the boards and got a few more reivers down (some of who made it into the Pike, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts painting club).
Here you can see the flocking under progress:
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0066_zpskjsfkvio.jpg)
And a few of the almost finished boards. They just need small bushes, etc glueing around the base of the rocks.
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0076_zpsz1omenge.jpg)
The river sections aren't finished yet, but I did get the croft finished:
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0074_zpsva4m7ull.jpg)
And the 4 rivers I've managed to paint recently. A couple of which featured in the painting club:
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And lastly a picture of all the reverse I've managed to do. I need to get more of the mounted reverse done.
(http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o694/Dijit1980/IMG_0078_zpsgpgofzlt.jpg)
Anyway hope you like them.
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Well done, good to see. I should take the time to get some pix of mine sorted out.
Towers
http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/stboswells/smailholmtower/
https://www.historicenvironment.scot/visit-a-place/places/smailholm-tower/history/
And Bastles
http://www.tarset.co.uk/visiting/blackmiddens.cfm
http://thebastle.co.uk/
Church Towers & plague-stricken Ancroft's 'Broomie-Huts'
http://www.northumberland-tales.com/Ancroft-church-tower.html
http://www.thebothyproject.org/wild-shelter/
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Thanks for the links!
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Wow ! Brilliant stuff. The terrain is spot on, very evocative and I love the Croft.