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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Frostgrave => Topic started by: nicknorthstar on 13 August 2015, 11:50:58 AM
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Here it is, we've been hinting enough about it. The second box set of plastic figures for Frostgrave will be Cultists.
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I reckon you would've done better to have a second box set of adventurers/mercenaries, to be honest. I guess with some head swaps and perhaps some other bits and pieces these could still serve as decent thugs.
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Lovely artwork!
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Hopefully Joe will tell you more about who the Cultists are, but I'll describe the figure frame.
It'll be the same as the first box set, a frame of 5 bodies (not split torsos) with separate heads and weapon arms.
The heads and weapons are all naughty boy type of stuff, trying to look evil, you know what they are like. There are also lots of evil bits, chains and skulls and a vial with something nasty in it etc. This time though there isn't as much arm variant, there are more hand variants. So instead of an arm with a buckler on it, it's just a hand. This requires more modelling that the first set as you'll have to cut a hand off the left arm to glue a different one on.
You will get enough weapons to make two warbands out of the Cultist box set to accompany your evil wizard. But here's the ace thing. All the heads and arms are inter-changeable with box set one. So you can use some of the spare arms from your Soldiers box set to give more variety to your Cultists and vice-versa.
We've cut back on packs and ropes etc in the Cultist box set, but you can of course use the ones you have in box set one.
Is there any more?
Yes lol
There are 4 undead heads and 3 sets of Undead arms on the frame as well. With these extra bits, you can turn your plastic Soldier or Cultist into a proper Frostgrave Skeleton or Zombie!
We only have the 3ups (figures 3 times 28mm if you didn't know) right now, so we can't show you the figures yet. The release date is the 20th of November 2015. Everything is in place for us to hit that date, but as we don't have the actual plastic frames in our hands right now, I can't give a 'cast iron' promise for that date, I'm sure you understand.
Cheers
Nick
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I reckon you would've done better to have a second box set of adventurers/mercenaries, to be honest
Really!?
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And yes, with a bit of kit bashing using 20th C weapons, you've got Pulp Cultists!
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Just in time for cultist units for Dragon Rampant.....
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I like the box art, should be a good set!
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The 20th? But, but, that'll only give me a week to assemble and paint them before the campaign day! :o
They look great, can't wait to see the other elements on the sprue. :D
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Looks cool.
Add a sprue of gun hands and they would be truly snapped up for other systems too I bet.
A question i have is do these or the soldiers have option for staffs? Have not seen any on the pics I looked at at present.
Cheers john.
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Sweeeeeet!!! One for the campaign, and then one for a Mordheim Possessed warband. Sure, we're not playing any Mordheim at the moment, but you can never have enough warbands for it, now can you?
Nick, you and I may not know each other that well yet, but you make me a happy man!! Now all I need is some money. :-(
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Oh and some sons of the harpy type heads would be.....useful
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Oh yes please!
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A question i have is do these or the soldiers have option for staffs? Have not seen any on the pics I looked at at present.
The cultist box will include spears, so you can always snip the spearheads off and use those. Otherwise, a quick drill and rod insertion will do the job!
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I reckon you would've done better to have a second box set of adventurers/mercenaries, to be honest
Really!?
Totally with you Nick. I suspect you may have some idea of just how versatile these models are gonna be across just so many systems! This is what people have been waiting for for years, I reckon, and if these don't sell like absolute hot cakes I will be extremely surprised. The soldiers box set was brilliant enough, and this promises to be a real winner - daresay they will form the basis of several modelling projects for me outside of Frostgrave (as well as within it).
Great work, very excited to see the end result and I shall be waving a £20 in my clenched, sweaty little fist as soon as I can :D.
Rob
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These look pretty exciting. Good fantasy cultists are gold for their utility over several gaming systems. I reckon these might get pressed into service as terminators for my long mused Torquemada league for Pulp Alley, or as chaos thugs, or Pulp Cthulhu cultists, or 40k Imperial pilgrims, or...
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Sweeet!
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These sound great, I'll be getting a box as they will add even more variety to my Frostgrave figures. I also like how they will be interchangable with the adventurers set, sounds like a win, win for us gamers.
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I likes the look of that. Any shots of the models?
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Shots of the models will follow soon, they will be the 3ups to start with.
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There are 4 undead heads and 3 sets of Undead arms on the frame as well. With these extra bits, you can turn your plastic Soldier or Cultist into a proper Frostgrave Skeleton or Zombie!
Too late; I already zombied up a bunch of 'em... :D
Still; I'm excited to get my hands on those bad boys; cultists are always in high demand (probably because they tend to drop like flies whenever some hero type shows up ;) ) and plastic multipart ones will go down very well with players in just about every genre!
Great move, and I can't wait to see how they'll look and also in what way they'll be incorporated into the game... :)
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oh hells yes!
they will also make great thugs for my scarecrow gang in BMG...
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Hey Nick,
Nice options in the 2nd box, however is there any chance that there'll be a creatures box or boxes? Something akin to the bestiary in the book, say, split into two of three sets: "Creatures Box 1", "Creatures Box 2" and "Creatures Box 3"? Put a few of the small & regular creatures and 1 Large creature in each box? I think that gamers of other game systems that can paint, etc. would flock to these. Just my 2¢. Thanks for your time.
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Thumbs up. Fantasy adventures are two-a-penny (maybe not in plastic) but a decent set of cultists is hard to find.
Roll on November. ;)
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Yep very exciting indeed, can never have enough Cultists to worship my socks ;) :d
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This is fantastic news- plastic Cultists at last! And after playing a do-gooding Thaumaturge it will make a change to be a bad 'un in Frostgrave! Looks like I'll be throwing even more money in the direction of Osprey and Northstar come November! ;)
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More plastic figure components. What's not to like? :)
Nick, presumably the five bodies (torsos and legs combos) on the frame in the new set will be different from the existing five 'soldier' bodies?
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cool cant wait!!
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My D&D players will rue the day I get my claws on a box of these.
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Yes, the bodies of the Cultists, and the arm positions, are more 'Dramatic'. If the Soldiers were extras in a show, the Cultists are 'bit part' actors with a line or two. If that makes any sense.
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OMG! So awesome! This is a fantastic idea. Never got a chance to pick up the cult of the possessed and now I'm glad I didn't, as these look much better. I can't imagine a more appealing choice. (Incidentally, I personally would not buy yet another set of mercenaries/adventurers, but this sets me frothing!)
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Yes, the bodies of the Cultists, and the arm positions, are more 'Dramatic'. If the Soldiers were extras in a show, the Cultists are 'bit part' actors with a line or two. If that makes any sense.
Thanks.
Makes absolute sense, and a great way of thinking about it :)
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I reckon you would've done better to have a second box set of adventurers/mercenaries, to be honest.
Personally, I like the variety. I'm sure a lot of these will be used right out of the box as henchmen for evil themed wizards. The ability to mix and match with parts from the original henchmen box makes these even more useful, allowing more varients for everyone.
IMO of course. ;)
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Me Chaos scum plans just got pushed back a couple of months! Just going by the artwork, these look like they'd fit right in.
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So... where can my wizard sell his soul to make these guys join him?
No really, where is Joe to tell us what do we have to do to claim the power of the Dark Side?! Would it be possible to use these cultists as soldiers along with regular wizards as we know them now? Where is Joe, the Mastermind, to tell us? :-)
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So... where can my wizard sell his soul to make these guys join him?
No really, where is Joe to tell us what do we have to do to claim the power of the Dark Side?! Would it be possible to use these cultists as soldiers along with regular wizards as we know them now? Where is Joe, the Mastermind, to tell us? :-)
I'd like to know if there will be a "good" aligned benefit or specialists.
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Woohoo!
Looking forward to them (and the book) very much.
-Michael
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Pardon me while I pick my jaw up from the floor...
Frostgrave mooks? D&D cronies? Pulp cultists? 40k frateris militia? Just like the last box, I'm going to get a lot of mileage out of this one.
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These can be used for so many different genres, from Fantasy all the way up to Pulp and beyond.
I know my brother is already after some 'spare' sprue parts from the soldier box for making roleplay characters and NPC's. He'll go mad for these, too.
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And bang goes my intention to cut down on buying..... :D
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You know what they need next is? A box set just like the first one, but of female adventurers! It would be great to be able to mix up our warbands, or even do all female warbands along with female wizards and I'm sure there would be a lot of interest in such a set for other uses outside Frostgrave, too. 8)
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I would love to see a box of female adventurers as well.
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I'm hoping for a plastic wizard/apprentice set. Perhaps it could be a smaller kit in which you can only build 4 models, or perhaps up to ten. Have a few robed bodies with the main selling point being the overload of heads, weapons, and bits that can be used to customize the wizards. Perhaps it could be like the Games Workshop kit, but with a more generic fantasy aesthetic.
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I can certainly see the use for something like this.
Although the Frostgrave plastics are a bit on the expensive side as plastics go these days, a set with lots of character and possibilities for customization will probably 'go like warm bread' if you'll allow me a 'Danism'.
I'm not hooked on the game, but nice models are always interesting, so I'll be watching this space to get a glimpse of the actual contents!
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Awesome news. Can't wait to get these.
Xin
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A set of plastic girls would certainly fill a gap in the market... ;)
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I would love to see a box of female adventurers as well.
+1 to this.
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female adventurers and a plastic wizard/apprentice set. Woot!
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Really looking forward to this new cultist set. I think it's a super smart move and people will snap 'em up for all kinds of periods and genres. Plastic is ace too. Roll on November!
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Although the Frostgrave plastics are a bit on the expensive side as plastics go these days, a set with lots of character and possibilities for customization will probably 'go like warm bread' if you'll allow me a 'Danism'.
I suppose it's all a matter of perspective. I defected to Frostgrave from two decades of Games Workshop games after the treacherous blade of Age of Sigmar was thrust into my back. Twenty multi-part, plastic miniatures for under $35 US seemed like a great deal.
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I agree, female Soldiers would be great. We have a little schedule planned, and they aren't on it I'm sorry to say.
The Soldiers figures we have are quite 'bulked up' clothing wise, with additions of some female heads they could do for female adventurers I think.
The Wizard in plastic is also of not part of the schedule, but a great idea still.
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There's a schedule?
Now you're just teasing Nick. ;)
I was thinking that a metal female head on the current bodies would probably work just as well. So when are you releasing the female head pack then?
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Annie the dice bag lady has already put a bundle deal on her website of frostgrave plastics and metal female heads with a link to examples of these conversions http://thedicebaglady.net/frostgrave/
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I agree, female Soldiers would be great. We have a little schedule planned, and they aren't on it I'm sorry to say.
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The Wizard in plastic is also of not part of the schedule, but a great idea still.
Very sad to hear these two things! :(
I can understand on the wizards to some extent (although seeing the popularity of the GW plastic wizard set, I can't help but feel that yours would be wildly popular too), but I think that the female model sprue (maybe six bodies to a sprue, split between henchmen and cultists) is a missed opportunity. When I see the glowing customer comments that model ranges get for having female models at all, I always wonder why more companies don't offer a better mix of male and female figures in a variety of styles.
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Just because they are not part of the schedule yet, doesn't mean that they might not be, some day...
I agree that the bulky nature of the Frostgrave plastic bodies, created by those layers of clothes, means that they should be able to double for female soldiers with the right heads.
Looking forward to the release of the cultists, and to seeing what else is in the schedule!
-Michael
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Good news Jiron - you don't actually have to sell your soul to get followers like the Lich Lord!
...all your wizard has to do is tear his own soul out of his body, murder his physical form, reanimated it as an undead corpse, and then shove his own soul back in!...thankfully, Thaw of the Lich Lord contains rules for doing just that! [Warning - miscasting this spell can lead to some rather severe side effects, also, it really hurts]
Some of the scenarios in Thaw of the Lich Lord call for 'Death Cultists' as NPC monsters, so players will want to have a few cultists on hand to play those games. Mainly though, the box set is to give players the option to have a a less reputable-looking group of soldiers to use in his warband.
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Good news Jiron - you don't actually have to sell your soul to get followers like the Lich Lord!
...all your wizard has to do is tear his own soul out of his body, murder his physical form, reanimated it as an undead corpse, and then shove his own soul back in!...thankfully, Thaw of the Lich Lord contains rules for doing just that! [Warning - miscasting this spell can lead to some rather severe side effects, also, it really hurts]
Good thing the proprietary rights of the soul are taken care of :D Wouldn't want any legal trouble to go with the general hassle of lichdom.
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I got a necromancer for the last nickstarter, and have a deepseated adoration for liches (and a penchant for collecting them) in the general sense, so I am understandably very excited about this.
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Annie the dice bag lady has already put a bundle deal on her website of frostgrave plastics and metal female heads with a link to examples of these conversions http://thedicebaglady.net/frostgrave/
They look acceptable to me.
http://thedicebaglady.net/statuesque-and-north-star-soliders-kitbash/
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I reckon you would've done better to have a second box set of adventurers/mercenaries, to be honest. I guess with some head swaps and perhaps some other bits and pieces these could still serve as decent thugs.
I reckon they will sell lots of these ,first thing I thought of was necromunda cawdor
But there's still plenty of cultist uses.
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Like lots, will buy a box or two.
New female versions of each :)
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It is a good idea, one that any company that makes plastic minis can make and sell as generic female adventurers, Northstar doesn't have to take all the risk. They've already set up everything that we need with which to begin the adventures! Same goes with creatures; a giant rat, a zombie etc. are generic baddies, and most have already been produced by others: Skeletons=Wargames Factory, Reaper Bones; Orcs: Wargames Factory, GW from their LOTR, also goblins from the same GW range. Most of the bigger monsters from Reaper Bones and/or metal. The real issue for me is having time to paint them! :D
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But the advantage of one producer making the entire range is that of scale compatibility.
I would not put a Frostgrave Plastic soldier figure alongside a Reaper fighter, the Reaper figure will make the plastic dude look like a 12 year old.
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Yes, however, the producer of these boxes would be targeting the Frostgrave market and, in a perfect world, of course, take such matters into account. Granted they would probably have one or two sculptors, as opposed to the incredible talents that Northstar had for the beginning of Frostgrave, so in that sense there would be a small compatability issue. Nevertheless there are people, such as myself, who don't give a fig about scale creep in, of all things, a fantasy game. Barbarians should be bigger than the average thug, shouldn't they? As far I'm concerned, I'm using the round 25mm plastic bases that Warlord and the Frostgrave box bring and fusing the miniature of my choice to them using MEK. Voila, instant baddies, from any plastic minis set!
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Will the cultists be the long monk-robed sort, or the more trousers-and-smocks sort? (I would go absolutely nuts buying monk-robed cultists for every genre!)
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Just my 2p but...
Firstly, I don't think anyone can get annoyed/sad/dissapointed at Nick's response (or lack of) to 'their' suggestions. This is a "hey look what's coming out!" thread, I never saw any suggestion that it was a "what would you like to see?" thread....
The idea of a wizard sprue... I like this one and I have bought the GW wizard sprue in the past to make Arabian wizards. However there are two points to make, one is the cost, the other is time. I still don't think people appreciate the time it takes to get plastics into production. Concepting, then sculpting, then sprue layout and tooling, then test casting and altering the tool to fix any problems and then finally production casting and packaging. Now it's been a few years since I was directly involved with this but the bits that Nick has shown me over the months tell me the times haven't really changed, and I don't think I've ever seen plastics get to market in less than 6 months. Realistically you're looking at 8-12 months and I've been told of plastics that took over 2 years to get out due to tooling problems or scheduling conflicts. Given Nick has already said there is a release schedule in place, even if they added it on now, I suspect it would probably be a minimum of two years before the Wizards came out...
With regards to cost, unlike time, most people are aware these days of the huge costs involved in getting plastics made but I'm not sure it registers properly. It's a lot cheaper than it used to be but you're still looking at tens of thousands of pounds. So assuming the Wizards got made and done along similar lines to the GW one so you had the options to make all 10 schools, it would probably make two wizards, or a wizard and an apprentice. You could add some bodies to double it up but then you'd lose options, so two is most likely with sprue size. Given the investment of time and money, I'd estimate a retail price of £10-12 for that wizard sprue... Not GW levels but certainly higher than the other bits.
So the question becomes, would you buy the wizard sprue for £12 or would you rather have the metal ones at £6 a pack?
With regards to female adventurers... I like female figures and have a few in my Frostgrave warbands but I think Nick would be a fool to do them in plastic. Simply put, male figures outsell female figures by a massive margin, I seem to recall it being ten or fifteen to one for equivalent products. So everything I said for the Wizards applies more so to the female adventurers. That being said, I'd like to see some female adventurers done for Frostgrave, probably more in the skilled classes than as thugs, but in my opinion they should be done in metal, not in plastic.
I'll leave you with an old adage we used to work to (and mostly still applies). If you're going to sell figures in the hundreds, make them in resin. If you're going to sell them in the thousands, make them in metal. If it's hundreds of thousands, make them in plastic.
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I suppose it's all a matter of perspective. I defected to Frostgrave from two decades of Games Workshop games after the treacherous blade of Age of Sigmar was thrust into my back. Twenty multi-part, plastic miniatures for under $35 US seemed like a great deal.
I stopped measuring anything against GW-prices a loooong time ago, as their pricing hasn't been reasonable for at least the last 2 decades, anyway. I compare to, for instance, Victrix (example: 56 minis for £23), Perry (about 40 minis for £20), or Gripping Beast (40-44 minis for about £20).
I know the FG stuff cannot be expected to sell quite as many sets per player (and that it probably has not as many potential buyers), which must be considered when calculating how to make a decent ROI, but to me, the end user, it is still a substantial difference in cost per mini.
As previously stated, if these are nicely done, and as they fill a vast gap in the current market, I do not doubt that they will sell well. I'll need to see the end product before deciding whether to buy or not, though, as I am probably not going to be using them for FG, so I have to have another use to justify purchasing these instead of another set of Dark Age Warriors, which I know I'm going to use.
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But the advantage of one producer making the entire range is that of scale compatibility.
I would not put a Frostgrave Plastic soldier figure alongside a Reaper fighter, the Reaper figure will make the plastic dude look like a 12 year old.
However, I was a bit surprised to see the Witch & apprentice figures look huge compared to some other 28mm figures I've been planning to use.
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I am very excited for the cultist box. I think it will be a huge hit, and it sounds like it will contain just the right sort of interesting bits to "spice up" many of the nice plastic historical figures in the same scale.
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Fantastic news! Definitely getting a box or two (maybe three lol)
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And yes, with a bit of kit bashing using 20th C weapons, you've got Pulp Cultists!
Depending on what bits you put on the sprue, we may not need much other kit at all. Knives, torches, and piece-of-wood-with-a-nail are fairly timeless cult weapons, I'd say. Got any of those in the box? ;)
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I'm looking forward to a reveal on these models as these boards are helping me discover the joys of using cross-genre figs.
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Depending on what bits you put on the sprue, we may not need much other kit at all. Knives, torches, and piece-of-wood-with-a-nail are fairly timeless cult weapons, I'd say. Got any of those in the box?
Knives yes, a Kriss yes, a 'made up' Khopesh/ sickle sword yes. All these are standard Cultist fare. And of course plastics take no time to convert, so wooden clubs, pistol in hand will be easy.
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I'd like to think I know a weeny bit about female figures..hopefully :D
As has been said up there, plastic production is woah expensive. So you have to be confident that whatever it is will be very popular. I actually think a female box set would sell really well. If it was a box that could be used for roleplay, ie same as the dude box, where you can make all the archetypes out of it. If I had the funds available I would do something like that confidently, alas, I'm never going to :D So I'll just keep wishlisting at the people who could! Although, if Dewback's information is correct, if I stocked male models too I'd have 15x the funds! :o (Where did you get that information out of interest, and when? If GW, I don't think you can compare male to female units like for like, as their units are "specialist niches", a la witch elves)
Almost every box of the Frostgrave plastics I have sold, I have sold the Statuesque heads with, so I am hoping more pictures will start to pour in of the two used together. That example was from a chap on Twitter, an a WIP of course! And yeah, with all the bulk of winter clothing, we look the pretty much the same in 28mm. So basically what I am saying is that a female plastic box set is not an urgency, though if it existed I'd be the happiest Annie ever (even more so than when the Orphan one gets adopted) but yeah appreciate there are other things also crying out for plasticing.
I'm hoping that this all continues to be a really big success, Frostgrave seems to be HUGE right now, everyone is talking about it, and that is great. So the more this continues, and the more we buy, the more box sets hopefully will appear :D
Price comments are bizarre, £20 a plastic box set seems perfect to me. All that variety too.
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why cant you just have men and women on the same sprue?!?
Seriously now, with any subject other than certain stuff like greek hoplites or roman legionnaires for example it should be a no brainer.
Not pointing fingers at northstar but merely using frostgrave minis sets as an example. Why can there not have been female cultists and female mercenaries as part of each boxed set? To me personally it would have actually added to the appeal of the already fabbo figures and tipped me over the edge into a sale last week. (god, especially some freaky female cultists, that would be so ace.)
I was going to say that too but thought I'd rambled enough so cut myself off! But yeah a couple of female torsos and heads would be ace. Weirdly the only example I can think of that is the wood elf glade guard.
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Annie, slightly different situation given your business model :)
Yes I did my time at GW but I've also done work for many other companies (I'm not going to go into a who I know and what companies I've worked for. When people do that it always seems to me like they have a need to validate themselves and my ego is fine thanks ;)).
GW does those units as niche forces for a reason though. 40k outsells Warhammer by a vast amount but one of the lowest selling 40k army's ever was Sisters of Battle. There is a reason it stopped being supported etc. The thing is, it's easier to guage sales on larger battle stuff than on small character driven items. In my opinion female figures can sell just as well as character figures, units of troops however, not so much and in the case of the Frostgrave plastics, I don't doubt they're intended to sell that way to people too. Take a look at the armies that people use, especially the ones who are proponents of female figures (myself included), you have the occasional person who does an entire army of them but mostly they have a unit or two and/or some female figures scattered through their other units.
Fantasy is usually based on some form of historical point and other than a few notable exceptions (see character fig comments), women didn't fight in battles and I think that carries over into the fantasy realm. Sci-fi is generally a better fit I believe and they are even then usually outnumbered, but I see no reason why they should be.
I also think putting female heads on the current plastics works absolutely fine. Wrapped up in cold weather gear, you can only tell the difference by relative heights and the way people move and neither of those is a guarantee.
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Annie, slightly different situation given your business model :)
Yes I did my time at GW but I've also done work for many other companies (I'm not going to go into a who I know and what companies I've worked for. When people do that it always seems to me like they have a need to validate themselves and my ego is fine thanks ;)).
GW does those units as niche forces for a reason though. 40k outsells Warhammer by a vast amount but one of the lowest selling 40k army's ever was Sisters of Battle. There is a reason it stopped being supported etc. The thing is, it's easier to guage sales on larger battle stuff than on small character driven items. In my opinion female figures can sell just as well as character figures, units of troops however, not so much and in the case of the Frostgrave plastics, I don't doubt they're intended to sell that way to people too. Take a look at the armies that people use, especially the ones who are proponents of female figures (myself included), you have the occasional person who does an entire army of them but mostly they have a unit or two and/or some female figures scattered through their other units.
Fantasy is usually based on some form of historical point and other than a few notable exceptions (see character fig comments), women didn't fight in battles and I think that carries over into the fantasy realm. Sci-fi is generally a better fit I believe and they are even then usually outnumbered, but I see no reason why they should be.
I also think putting female heads on the current plastics works absolutely fine. Wrapped up in cold weather gear, you can only tell the difference by relative heights and the way people move and neither of those is a guarantee.
I disagree. I know you have more experience with the sales side, but I think there are more factors in there than just gender (I think I have more experience with the knowledge of female representation and historical fighters, but that is an assumption as I don't know you). But I'd rather leave it so poor Nick can have his thread back about the cultists! Also to save me from myself, as the discussion has the power to distract me from my work all day!
Cheers Dewbak, I hope I can prove you wrong with results rather than keyboard missioning, and you seem like a nice chap that would wish me luck with it :D
But we should definitely go back to "Ooh those cultists look lovely!" as I know what it's like releasing something and just getting "nice but if you did THIS or THIS, I'd buy that" :D
Those cultists look lovely I can't wait to see more!
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Ooohh, shiny cultists ;)
Actually, Nick showed me some photo's of assembled 3-ups last night. Nice and evil looking, hopefully he'll start to filter them out into the public domain soon.
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On a similar note, I haven't seen the Lich guy anywhere else other than snuck into this montage
http://northstarfigures.com/ (Frostgrave image)
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He was a freebie figure with the Level 5 Nickstarter. I think Nick said he'd be released for general sale with/shortly after the Thaw book gets released.
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That is the Lich, well spotted.
The 'Ultimate Nickstarter' participants have a model of him already, and I hope to make him available soon to buy, maybe before the book is out. Another Giorgio Bassani sculpt.
Female Soldiers aside, I hope everyone noticed we did represent female wizards very well. Not 50%, I agree, but 8 out of 20 isn't bad.
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Yes you did represent some wizards as females which I think is great but I for one am glad that didn't include those from the witch school (with pointy hat and a broom) instead portraying them as voodoo/tribal types
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Hurrah for cultists! I'm looking forward to seeing pictures of the models.
Are there more metal models on the way too?
There are 4 undead heads and 3 sets of Undead arms on the frame as well. With these extra bits, you can turn your plastic Soldier or Cultist into a proper Frostgrave Skeleton or Zombie!
This is a great idea.
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How do we know the cultists aren't female?
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Yes, more metals.
A new wizard class and new Soldier types, models made by Giorgio Bassani, Trolls and Giants from Mike Owen and evil Soldier variants from Mark Copplestone
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That's pretty awesome. Though I thought there were no more wizard classes coming? Not that I am complaining. Haha.
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Nick: "Female Soldiers aside, I hope everyone noticed we did represent female wizards very well. Not 50%, I agree, but 8 out of 20 isn't bad."
I had noticed that - and appreciated it!
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Yes, more metals.
A new wizard class and new Soldier types, models made by Giorgio Bassani, Trolls and Giants from Mike Owen and evil Soldier variants from Mark Copplestone
Don't you people know I have 2 kids in college, damnit?
Ok so they won't eat the first week in school. I think I can swing it. Looking forward to November!
Xin
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boobs or lack of
Them robes/layers of fur are pretty shapeless.
And not every female has big 'uns.
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Annie, I can vouch that Dewbakuk is indeed a nice guy. :D
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Yes, more metals.
A new wizard class and new Soldier types, models made by Giorgio Bassani, Trolls and Giants from Mike Owen and evil Soldier variants from Mark Copplestone
Any chance they'll be alternative sculpts for wizards and apprentices somewhere down the line Nick?
I know there are wizards everywhere (apparently) but the team you got together to do the original 10 schools were pretty awesome and it would be nice to see them produce some more wizards for the game.
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That is the Lich, well spotted.
The 'Ultimate Nickstarter' participants have a model of him already, and I hope to make him available soon to buy, maybe before the book is out. Another Giorgio Bassani sculpt.
Female Soldiers aside, I hope everyone noticed we did represent female wizards very well. Not 50%, I agree, but 8 out of 20 isn't bad.
I sure did! The sigilist and illusionist packs make it into my "Believable Female Miniatures" collection, and I'll put a Frostgrave link to the other packs next to them (I'm assuming due to casting process you can't split them, if you can for some reason, pop me an email!)
Cubs is right, I approached a friend of mine in a back alley (by Firestorm Games, I don't regularly skulk around back alleys) wearing a hoodie with the hood up and he thought I was a dude about to mug him. I'd make a good 28mm cultist.
I've started adding male models to my collection where the style is quite androgynous anyway, as 28mm, the slight differences like shoulders are pretty moot.
Check this one out by Dark Sword that you can get from Nick
http://northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=7269
Says male on the packet, but can easily be female. There's quite a lot like that. I understand the big boob tiny waist thing to emphasis ideas of femininity but there are plenty of cases where it can still work, I mean, you can still tell real people are women even when they're all sorts of shapes (no funny comments!)
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The Statuesque heads look fine on Frostgrave bodies, but I think they look a wee bit overlarge for my liking. (Did I read that was a WIP? Any finished pics?) Anyone know of pics of e.g. Hasslefree female heads on them? A bit balder, but I also think I'd like to sculpt a more wildling-ish 'do than Stat's perfect coiffures. :)
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The Statuesque heads look fine on Frostgrave bodies, but I think they look a wee bit overlarge for my liking. (Did I read that was a WIP? Any finished pics?) Anyone know of pics of e.g. Hasslefree female heads on them? A bit balder, but I also think I'd like to sculpt a more wildling-ish 'do than Stat's perfect coiffures. :)
It's personal preference I think. They do heroic and non-heroic, but the smaller ones I think would be too small. I have a section on my site for heads and conversions, where there are also Crooked Dice and Basicks, which are in the middle of the two, and might be more "realistic scale", I won't put a link as I don't want to hijack Nick's thread [too much :`] but if you can't find it, PM me! Statuesque do heroic scale bald heads too, only been out a couple weeks (in the section too) :)
I'll ask the guy if he's made any more progress. I might have a go myself. I have a day off tomorrow, might go to the office and pick up some things to paint. Might might might. maybe. The plastics look really satisfying to paint up.
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They do heroic and non-heroic
Blimey, so they do!
I have a section on my site for heads and conversions, where there are also Crooked Dice and Basicks
Another thing I should've looked at first.
True, the Stat. fine heads look like they'd be too fine, but... nnyehh... I dunno. I'm far more fussy than I have a right to be. lol
I'll ask the guy if he's made any more progress. I might have a go myself. I have a day off tomorrow, might go to the office and pick up some things to paint. Might might might. maybe. The plastics look really satisfying to paint up.
Ta. :)
Now, any pics of those cultist 3-ups yet? ;)
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Here is a non heroic scale Statuesque head posed on a frostgrave body.
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo203/foyt21/20150815_134501_zpsqplmiubd.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/foyt21/media/20150815_134501_zpsqplmiubd.jpg.html)
Same head compared to the Frostgrave heads.
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo203/foyt21/20150815_134540_zpsgnoxq2kb.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/foyt21/media/20150815_134540_zpsgnoxq2kb.jpg.html)
(http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo203/foyt21/20150815_134609_zpser0jo0tp.jpg) (http://s376.photobucket.com/user/foyt21/media/20150815_134609_zpser0jo0tp.jpg.html)
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Poor Steve Buscemi.
I think we're totally used to seeing exaggerated forms of women - the big boobs, tiny waist, back out the hips, in general, and then in wargaming even more so, that the difference seems bigger. I keep trying to walk away from the conversation and failing. Not that I spent some time in front of the mirror yesterday frowning.
As well as the above, I think fashion exaggerates this too, so much women's clothes in reality and fantasy does gather at the waist, to create the whole hourglass goings on. Not all.
I spent a winter in a van wearing one of these, I would definitely wear the equivalent, UNDER a coat, were I to explore the Frozen City
http://media.getthelabel.com/pws/images/catalogue/products/ljkhop1a/large/brave-soul-womens-padded-gilet-21979_black.jpg
So this model is really good for showing how much bulk of material there is. The belt of accessories is the bit that does the fashion job of drawing in at the waist to make her silhoette not similar to the apprentice.
http://northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=7454
Ygritte from Game of Thrones is a good reference too.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ygritte+wildling&biw=1408&bih=692&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI6-Pis_2sxwIVbizbCh1AMgqJ#tbm=isch&q=ygritte+costume&imgrc=DTG_Eh0qLCKCKM%3A
Her costume is very bulky, but the designers have again chose to differentiate it from the chaps by making it a bit longer, and moving the fur trim stitching from the top of the chest to conveniently around the boob.
The point of my ramble was that I accept men and women are fundamentally different shapes, but not the heaving rectangles and sighing hourglass extremes we are used to, and that a huge amount of that is not the body underneath, but the way the clothes are tailored to exaggerate. Jon Snow too on the last example, we know he's a tiny guy, but he has rabbits on the shoulder and things like that to square beef him.
Also not saying there is anything wrong with tailoring the clothes to exaggerate the shape, I'd obviously be a huge hypocrite if I said that and my wardrobe wasn't full of rectangular dresses. But that **here's the point alert*** The Frostgrave soldier box with female heads is not a huge stretch of imagination at all and works well, entirely plausible. Even more so, as the style of clothing has belts in the middle, so there is a trace of a believable hourglass shape too. It's actually the best plastic kit I have come across for just requiring a head swap to make female and off you go. Yup, we know it's a woman because of the boobs, but not having predominant boobs doesn't not mean it's not a woman.
So yeah, there isn't a huge need for a female plastic adventurer kit while you can just do that (in super cold Frostgrave land anyway!). There is way more need for the other things, whatever North Star has got planned next.
CULTISTS!
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That is quite a cool female face model, from Statesque.
On a competely unrelated note; CULTISTS!! I can't wait to see them. I am definitely getting a set somewhere down the line. First obviously for Frostgrave, but definitely also a set for a Mordheim Possessed warband. It's a good thing I still have some of the original Possessed models, so I can sell them and spend the money on Frostgrave! :D Current bid E15,-, not shabby.
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I think we're totally used to seeing exaggerated forms of women - the big boobs, tiny waist, back out the hips, in general, and then in wargaming even more so, that the difference seems bigger. I keep trying to walk away from the conversation and failing.
Well try harder. :D
I don't disagree with you on any given point but all of this is off topic ... and saaying Yay! cultists! at the end of each post does not help. :D
My wife ... nor indeed any former girl friends come to that had big boobs, tiny waists or anything special going on with their hips as far as I can recall .... (not my thing) ... but this is fantasy!!!! .... Non of them ever wore fur bikinis either.... more's the pity. (I might have a thing about that? :D) I like my fantasy women.
I know we look at minis under super magnification on the interwebz but is there not an arguement that unless you exagerate the female form a bit that on a 25-28mm mini you would struggle to see, at the normal gaming distance, any difference at all?
Now ... how about them cultists? Yay for cultists.
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Well try harder. :D
I don't disagree with you on any given point but all of this is off topic ... and saaying Yay! cultists! at the end of each post does not help. :D
My wife ... nor indeed any former girl friends come to that had big boobs, tiny waists or anything special going on with their hips as far as I can recall .... (not my thing) ... but this is fantasy!!!! .... Non of them ever wore fur bikinis either.... more's the pity. (I might have a thing about that? :D) I like my fantasy women.
I know we look at minis under super magnification on the interwebz but is there not an arguement that unless you exagerate the female form a bit that on a 25-28mm mini you would struggle to see, at the normal gaming distance, any difference at all?
Now ... how about them cultists? Yay for cultists.
Agreed - I come here to relax and enjoy other people's modelling and gaming talk/pictures/tutorials etc, etc, etc...not to have topics become politicised in line with certain agenda's.
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I was merely trying to state how a specifically female box set would not be a priority in future box sets in a [rubbish] attempt to steer the conversation away from wishlisting. Not ramming an agenda down anyone.
People were saying "we want female adventurers", & I was encouraging the use of the existing set, as a preference to demanding North Star pay however many thousands to make a specific one.
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A new wizard class and new Soldier types,
Can you perhaps share some more specific information on these guys mate, please?
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A preview of one of the cultist heads has been posted. I have posted it here on my Wargame News and Terrain news blog: http://wargameterrain.blogspot.be/2015/08/northstar-miniatures-upcoming-hard.html?m=1 looks interesting but looking forward in more previews.
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The Cultists aren't even out yet, and I'm getting distracted about using them for other projects.
(https://warosu.org/data/tg/img/0295/26/1389819077745.jpg)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m35s0drIC71r9bspuo1_1280.jpg)
Oh yes. lol
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Credo!
lol
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I keep having recurring fantasies about a Termight range, including Terminators (proper Terminators) and Terminator Berserkers.
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He doesn't look like anyone I would want to buy a used donkey from.
Very promising.
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I'm hoping to pick up a box or two for ibq28 and age of sigmar conversions :)
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Here is a non heroic scale Statuesque head posed on a frostgrave body.
Same head compared to the Frostgrave heads.
Ta Wolfen! Aye, they do look a wee bit disproportionate in the other direction.
Poor Steve Buscemi.
Words outta my mouth. What'd he do to you, Scurv? lol
I think we're totally used to seeing exaggerated forms of women - the big boobs, tiny waist, back out the hips, in general, and then in wargaming even more so, that the difference seems bigger.
The point of my ramble was that I accept men and women are fundamentally different shapes, but not the heaving rectangles and sighing hourglass extremes we are used to...
Agreed - I come here to relax and enjoy other people's modelling and gaming talk/pictures/tutorials etc, etc, etc...not to have topics become politicised in line with certain agenda's.
Well, if it's any consolation, I agree with Annie but not because of any 'political' agenda (I don't think there was one) but because of my own arty-farty elitist reasons. As an addendum to part of this goofy rant (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=57122.msg982964#msg982964): I've heard the 'female minis need big boobs and tiny waists so you can tell they're women' meme, and once upon a time I even believed it. These days I think it's because people can't sculpt something more subtle, or can't be bothered/rush through too quickly to sculpt something more subtle, or, well, for more 'politically related' reasons. (I'll maybe say more in the Women in Wargaming topic, but I'm wary of getting back into that hofflenosh)
not having predominant boobs doesn't not mean it's not a woman.
And vice versa. Look at GW ogres...
A preview of one of the cultist heads has been posted. I have posted it here on my Wargame News and Terrain news blog: http://wargameterrain.blogspot.be/2015/08/northstar-miniatures-upcoming-hard.html?m=1 looks interesting but looking forward in more previews.
(http://www.dorktower.com/files/2014/01/ItMustBeMine.gif)
That looks great for a khornate Bretonnian retinue and a blue-eyed wight. Oh November, why so far?
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These are nice female cultist...more for an indoor setting then the cold outdoors though...
http://pulpfigures.com/products/view/60
then there are these freaks...
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/gob/godless/
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/gob/thousand-tribes/
Hasslefree has Libby...Curves, yet still in functional clothing...
http://hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=libby~hfh001&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-humans
Some brats...
http://hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=medieval-kids~hfh044&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-humans
lots of good stuff here as well...
http://hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-humans
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Short note - I spent this afternoon/ evening playing with all the heads. Statuesque heroic are totally perfect, they just look bigger in that picture for some reason. Seperate thread and pictures to come tomorrow!
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Already posted, but sticking these in the thread rather than having to follow a link. :)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11896014_1099605866734981_5103958304947009841_n.jpg?oh=3c9c311fe83f8689f4d1e9183e471831&oe=5643EC85)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11870645_1100896493272585_2275974320180884668_n.jpg?oh=48ffbd00428ba0923b08e31131a12fa4&oe=564A3610)
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Awsome! More variety than I was expecting. Definitely want these. :D
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These look fantastic! I've yet to start painting my enchanter, sigilist, apprentices, soldier box and undead encounters pack but hey ho...roll on November. With a stroke of luck I may just have the backlog done by then. Where's a real life chronomancer when you need one?! lol
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Definitely looking forward to these. Been scrounging up all of my plastics I can find...the kit bashing will commence until morale improves.
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Already posted, but sticking these in the thread rather than having to follow a link. :)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11896014_1099605866734981_5103958304947009841_n.jpg?oh=3c9c311fe83f8689f4d1e9183e471831&oe=5643EC85)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11870645_1100896493272585_2275974320180884668_n.jpg?oh=48ffbd00428ba0923b08e31131a12fa4&oe=564A3610)
If they're robed, perhaps they can be used in conjunction with the soldiers kit in order to make custom wizards.
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Yeah a robed one with a book and good pose would be cool. :)
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If they're robed, perhaps they can be used in conjunction with the soldiers kit in order to make custom wizards.
The box artwork does not seem to suggest that, though.
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They are more 'robed' than the first Soldier set, and with the addition of a spear, you have a wizard's staff already in there following a quick snip of the spearhead.
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Still got a book on an old Mordheim sprue...hmmm.... ;)
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Still got a book on an old Mordheim sprue...hmmm.... ;)
Still got all my Mordheim stuff on sprues... lol
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Yes, more metals.
A new wizard class and new Soldier types, models made by Giorgio Bassani, Trolls and Giants from Mike Owen and evil Soldier variants from Mark Copplestone
Excellent! 8)
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...evil Soldier variants from Mark Copplestone
Okay. Where do I sign? :o
Please tell us - how did you tempt the master out of more-or-less-retirement, Nick?
(Apart from the huuuuge sums of money, obviously? ;))
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Being his chum for years, mutual trust and finally finding a project that sparked his enthusiasm. (You should see how many didn't). Plus the factor of our then regular designer walking out on us created a kind of 'rallying round' by the North Star pals, which is why Frostgrave's designer line up was (and is) Mark Copplestone, Mike Owen, Mark Sims, Nick Collier, Richard Kemp, Bob Naismith, Giorgio Bassani and one who must remain anonymous.
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Fascinating. Thanks for the update, Nick.
Always good to know the latest from the Lead Belt.
You've certainly put together a stellar line-up. Quite a coup. :)
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nice indeed might be useable for the blue eyed stuff over the wall in GoT
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Yes, more metals.
evil Soldier variants from Mark Copplestone
Plus (evil) barbarian will be a true gift !
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Being his chum for years, mutual trust and finally finding a project that sparked his enthusiasm. (You should see how many didn't). Plus the factor of our then regular designer walking out on us created a kind of 'rallying round' by the North Star pals, which is why Frostgrave's designer line up was (and is) Mark Copplestone, Mike Owen, Mark Sims, Nick Collier, Richard Kemp, Bob Naismith, Giorgio Bassani and one who must remain anonymous.
Well that is a nice lists of mates to have in an emergency. :D Worked out quite well for this project ... your guy leaving ... if it prompted you to pull together this little team .... don't feel the project has suffered for not having a totally unified look you might have achieved with one sculpyor. If anything it seems to have thrown the door open to using stuff from loads of different sculptors who might have done stuff that fits the setting .... not sure this would have been the case if everything was from one guy. other stuff could have 'stood out' a bit. Although for my money you could have stopped at the first three names on your list and we would have been all set. Having said that the pieces some of the others has done have been really nice (in some cases to my surprise as i have not been that bothered about some of their previous work ...sometimes just down to genre) ... it seems this little project seems to have inspired and brought the best out in a number of folks.
I am now really keen to know what was sculpted by anonymous guy?
The only name I would love to see on that list is Kev White from Hasslefree.
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Actually Mr Anonymous isn't that well know lol I shouldn't have mentioned them. ;D
I'd love to see some Mr Hasslefree figures strolling through Frostgrave too.
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I am not that well versed in who is who in the miniature world, but I am pretty sure I have heard ALL of those names before somewhere, so that is a good thing. With so many sculptors, I feel they all did a grand job at keeping the game very unified, but with a very distinct flavour for each of the wizards. Tell them a job well done!
I can't wait to get my hands on the models. We will probably order next week. I am also extremely excited for all the future products. I think the stars really alligned well for this project. I really think this game will become the biggest skirmish game there is. It just feels that way. It will definitely be my definitive fantasy game for the next few years. Congrats to all of you!
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Bunch of pictures of the figures posted up today on the Wargame News and Terrain Blog (http://wargameterrain.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/northstar-miniatures-plastic-fantasy.html)
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Wow. I think these look great. I feel a Cthulhu Mythos style campaign beginning to stir in my head...
;D
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You can see more pictures here too:https://wargamesgazette.wordpress.com
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You can see more pictures here too:https://wargamesgazette.wordpress.com
They're the same pictures?
#shamelessplug ;)
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I reckon you would've done better to have a second box set of adventurers/mercenaries, to be honest
Really!?
NO!!! :D
Firmly behind the cultists, Nick. Thank God someone is producing innovative, quality plastics. If I wasn't already becoming a burgeoning Frostgrave devotee, I'd still be buying both box sets as they have cross-gaming appeal.
I'll take my tongue off your trouser seat now ;)
(credit where it's due, though).
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Looking very good. More wondrous plastic components :)
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When will they be out?
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The release date is the 20th of November 2015. Everything is in place for us to hit that date, but as we don't have the actual plastic frames in our hands right now, I can't give a 'cast iron' promise for that date, I'm sure you understand.
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Thanks man.
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Love the look of the Cultists.
Will be picking some up when then come out.
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Pic of upcoming undead heads and arms mixed with soldiers' bodies. From Beasts of War via the North Star FB page I think:
(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Undead-Heads-Frostgrave-394x262.jpg)
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(http://lisalouisecooke.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/like_ink_stamp_400_wht_9111.png)
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Very cool old school style.
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Should make for some interesting kitbashing definitely keen to get my hands on these
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Well, that's the White Walkers sorted out :)
Sorry if I missed something - are the undead heads from a separate set, or in the Cultist box?
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From reading the facebook page it seems they are in the cultist box set. Great news
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They're apparently on the cultist set but designed to fit either set to allow for more conversion opportunity
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Very cool old school style.
I appreciate the compliment, but I'm too Old School to know what that means. Whats new school. It can't just be the solid bases over slotta bases, GW have been doing that shizzle for 30 freakin years.
(http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120207008_SkeletonWarriors5modelsNEW01.jpg)
I can't see much difference. Help these old eyes explain.
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I was thinking of the way the style of the miniatures tattered thick cloaks reminded me of pictures and miniatures I seen of how skeletons looked back in the day. Especally the one with the horned helmet.
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/ral-partha-fantasy-c-37/fantasy-armies-c-37_39/undead-c-37_39_52/02184b-skeleton-armoured-halberd-2-p-2983.html
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/ral-partha-fantasy-c-37/fantasy-armies-c-37_39/undead-c-37_39_52/02184b-skeleton-armoured-halberd-2-p-2983.html
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/ral-partha-fantasy-c-37/fantasy-armies-c-37_39/undead-c-37_39_52/02188a-skeleton-foot-knight-scimitar-p-2992.html
I also remember a iconic painting of a bunch of skeletons bursting through a door but I cant find it.
Horned helmets with fur along the brim and tattered cloaks on the skeletons brings me right back to the early days of gaming.
Off course it was just the style I was commenting on the casting quality on these guys are much higher now. A must buy for sure.