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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Admiral Benbow on 15 August 2015, 04:33:47 PM
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The collected art of Trudvang, the gameworld from Sweden, with master artists such as Paul Bonner, Justin Sweet, Alvaro Tapia and more is coming as a mighty 120+ pages book through kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/the-fabulous-art-of-trudvang/description (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/the-fabulous-art-of-trudvang/description)
I would have backed this already and immediately, but unfortunately the shipping costs are ridiculous. As a backer you'd have to pay 350 swedish kronen, about 37 Euros, which is just fine for such a high quality artbook. BUT, shipping to Germany will cost me another 250 swedish kronen, another 26 Euros!
A 2 kg paket from Germany to Sweden with DHL will cost me 14,- Euros. I can only hope they will find a better solution, otherwise I won't back this project. Very sad as the book will be a kickstarter exclusive, you won't get it in the bookstores afterwards. :-[
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That looks a wonderful book and it looks it will will fund fairly soon.
Shame it won't be for general release though :(
cheers
James
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Nice trolls. :) This might be an opportunity for me to get a good look at some of that Paul Bonner art that people rave about.
Kr600 to Blighty, about £45... Hmm. Well, wouldn't be the first time I've thrown silly money at a KS book. ;D
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No general release?! But why??
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Beautiful book.
Damned flaming stupid to not have a general release. Just one more thing to pass on, I guess.
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Well, to be fair, one of those previous books I backed was significantly more expensive on general release. Another was a KS one-off, and that was a sketchbook, so a lot more disposable and subject to replacement problems than a printed book. Still good. Don't let future availability and might-have-beens stop you getting it if you want it.
If it helps, imagine it's made out of lead or HIPS. ;)
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Not a fan of the Kickstarter model at present. Too much fucking around to try and squeeze money off of silly nonsense (bonuses, KS exclusives) for something I won't see for months to years and that's if everything goes as planned.
So, no.
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I'm interested. It's quite a lot to pay for a 120 page book, but if stretch goals are met it will be nearer 200 pages. Love this kind of stuff. :-*
Too much moaning about KS already, if you don't like it, just walk away.
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I am very tempted to pledge but the postage is simply rediculous.
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The collected art of Trudvang, the gameworld from Sweden, with master artists such as Paul Bonner, Justin Sweet, Alvaro Tapia and more is coming as a mighty 120+ pages book through kickstarter:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/the-fabulous-art-of-trudvang/description (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/the-fabulous-art-of-trudvang/description)
I would have backed this already and immediately, but unfortunately the shipping costs are ridiculous. As a backer you'd have to pay 350 swedish kronen, about 37 Euros, which is just fine for such a high quality artbook. BUT, shipping to Germany will cost me another 250 swedish kronen, another 26 Euros!
A 2 kg paket from Germany to Sweden with DHL will cost me 14,- Euros. I can only hope they will find a better solution, otherwise I won't back this project. Very sad as the book will be a kickstarter exclusive, you won't get it in the bookstores afterwards. :-[
I am sure I can arrange something.
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Amazing book, would love to get it, but that postage fee is ridiculous indeed.
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Funded.
Quite a few comments about shipping here and in the KS comments section. They reckon Swedish Post is high cost. Any Swedes on the board care to comment - 250SEK to ship to UK and most of Europe by the look of it, though I did notice it's 350SEK to ship to their neighbours in Norway. I know cost of living is high in Scandanavian countries, guessing this is just how it is?
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Postage in Sweden is indeed expensive, even more so in Norway.
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Postage in Sweden is indeed expensive, even more so in Norway.
How much does a book weigh? 1000 gr? From what I can see you should be able mail it from Sweden to Germany for €15 or something close to that.
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I think it's a matter of ordering together in order to save on shipping ( if they allow that, i.e. ).
Love the book, but I'll pass for now on behalf of the heavy shipping costs.
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I'm interested. It's quite a lot to pay for a 120 page book, but if stretch goals are met it will be nearer 200 pages. Love this kind of stuff. :-*
Too much moaning about KS already, if you don't like it, just walk away.
I'd tend to agree. ;)
I think it's a matter of ordering together in order to save on shipping ( if they allow that, i.e. ).
Love the book, but I'll pass for now on behalf of the heavy shipping costs.
There's the volume pack option that gives you five books, though postage has to be worked out for that. Still, even if you end up with a couple of books spare, I'm sure they'd go for a pretty penny on ebay. ;)
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Yes, but that 5-book option is only for the books, not for the extra's. ;)
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Looking at this again, there's a new, earlier stretch goal, that's apparently been reached despite the funding being just under the required SEK. Something to do with the US$ exchange rate. Aaanyway:
NEW STRETCH GOAL 30,000$
If we reach the 30.000 dollar goal we will sign and number all the books (Kickstarter exclusive) AND commit to a small print run for selected retailers globally. To balance the high shipping cost we will also make a slipcase OR a dust jacket for the book, should we reach this goal.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/the-fabulous-art-of-trudvang/updates
Might salve some few hurts about KS exclusives. Although, in the comments:
It will be a small print run and most likely sold to US retailers. Obviously the book will be priced much higher in retail than here.
(Told ya.)
I'll probably go for a Kickstarter copy anyway, before it ends. And this might be a long shot, but I'm willing to go in on the 5-book volume if any four other UK/Ireland LAFers fancy it. Depending on any savings. Royal Mail might not gouge much less than PostNord. (The 5-book set might not have all the non-stretch extras, but if you wanted those I'd guess you'd be all over the KS regardless of costs or group deals. ;) )
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I still don't get the shipping costs. A post nord eu-parcel would cost well below 10 €.
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As far as I'm concerned, the hell with the shipping cost. Illustrators are simply some of the most inspiring around and the Trudvang fantasy world seems really too cool.
This means days, weeks, .. of reading enjoyment and inspiration. I still frequently use "the art Paul Bonner" book for painting ideas and considering all the fun it gave me, I'd would have paid double its price to get it.
This one I don't want to miss.
But well, it's just me. o_o
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Yes the postage seems a bit high, even för Sweden, I had to pay 120 sek, 12€, and I live in Sweden :o
But what a book it will be! :-*
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Pledged! Takes it a wee bit closer to stretch goal #2, which should lessen the blow of the postage costs, if that bothers people. (prod prod ;) )
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And pledged here too. Lead adventure made me do it!
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45 hours to go, sailed past the 'extra content' goal. 8)
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Looks like they have hit the extra pages target, would be nice if they updated a bit more often. More tempted now and just 44 hours to go.
EDIT Ninja'd. :D
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Got my numbered copy today and I must say I'm really glad to have backed this fantastic art book despite of some high shipping costs. It's just plain beautiful, marvelous, one of the best art books I've collected in 40 years. And I have quite a collection ... :)
What's so exceptional about this book? It's the fantastic art of the great Paul Bonner, of another maestro Alvaro Tapia and all the other artists. They show us on 224 pages (!) the believable world of Trudvang with completely original creatures, entities and inhabitants, a world of norse folk tales and dark woods, unbelievably detailed drawings and colour plates to immerse into. And thankfully not that standard fantasy crap out of a world where is only war ...
Yes, I'm deeply impressed. When I have the strong feeling and urgent need to immediately create at least half of the book's illustrations into miniature scenes and vignettes, I always know that this is a real treasure.
Thank you, Riotminds!
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Still waiting for mine, seems like ages. ;D
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I've seen the emails that they're being shipped out. Good to see they're arriving.
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I've seen the emails that they're being shipped out. Good to see they're arriving.
Despite that, I spent a few seconds scratching my head after answering the door to the postie, wondering who was sending me big book-shaped parcels from Sweden. lol
Fantastic stuff. Very inspiring and evocative. I know that for Trudvang, it's usually "Paul Bonner! Paul Bonner! Paul Bonner!" but I'm getting a kick out of Alvaro Tapia's drawings. Whatever his actual influences, I see (or imagine) hints of Mike Mignola, Guy Davis, and even Jack Kirby in there. Just the kind of thing I like.
One thing I might've liked would be a little more text to add more context to the art. Like: what's a zvorda? Why are they so much bigger than (other?) dwarfs? What's the deal with the dog-things that the wildfolk ride? I guess I get to dig deeper and find out. :D
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Got mine now. I was a little worried by the large corner dent of the parcel(something that seems to be written into the contract of every postal worker - bash those corners) but it was well packed inside and no damage to the contents. Lovely book, great art, very evocative. I did find some of the double page spreads a bit annoying, losing a band down the middle of the image, I don't like forcing books open. And a little more text would have been helpful, but I am a happy bunny.
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This looks splendid. I somehow missed the KS which I would have bought into had I seen it. :(.
What's the background here? Is there an RPG available or...?
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Trudvang is the setting for the later (2000-) editions of the swedish RPG Drakar & Demoner. It's a BRP-derived system. All the Trudvang books have had phenomenal art in them, but there's been some ups and downs in the publishing of the RPG and the rules are not brilliant.
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Linky dink
https://online.riotminds.com
Reminds me, I think there was a digital copy of the rules with the art book, or sumpthin'? I'll have to chase that up.
Edit: Yup. I thought I'd just pledged for the book, but I'd actually gone one higher for the RPG rules. Maybe that'll give me the background I crave.
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I too was persuaded by this thread to back this and am very glad I did. Stunningly good. Agree that a bit more text might have been nice but I too should probably look at the online stuff which I also pledged for...
But my main question is, does anyone have any figure suggestions for trolls &c that might have a comparable look?
Midnight Workshop Borderlands trolls look promising, and maybe some older Citadel figures. There's a Reaper Ice Troll that's fairly close, too.
Obviously the Bonner/Tapia style is very distinctive and possibly not directly imitable without copyright infringement, but I wondered whether anyone else had mulled over this question and come up with anything interesting.
Grateful for any thoughts or suggestions!
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Severian, for a start have a look here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=66786.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=66786.0)
There are some pictures missing at the start of this post, but further down you can see two very nice trolls directly out of a Bonner painting ...
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Thanks Admiral - I had in fact seen that thread, as I should have mentioned earlier. They are indeed nice trolls, but I'm not sure if they're still available (I missed the KS).
But sadly there are only two of them in any case; I'm thinking about a troll warband for Dragon Rampant, and will need a few more.
I suppose what I'm mean is, I'm curious whether anyone makes figures of "authentic" Scandinavian trolls of the sort that Bonner and others have painted: something in the overall style, not necessarily direct copies of particular paintings or drawings.
As I say, I've got a few thoughts already but always keen to hear others' ideas.
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Ok, here some more suggestions from my own Bonner-like troll warband (have them all, but not painted):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/25/93_25_07_16_3_31_07_0.jpg)
The Bloodrage KS troll on the right.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/25/93_25_07_16_3_31_07_1.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/25/93_25_07_16_3_31_07_2.jpg)
The Bloodrage KS mystic troll.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/25/93_25_07_16_3_33_26.png)
The Zombicide:Black Plague Klom troll. Exactly Bonner design and a very nice miniature ...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/25/93_25_07_16_3_31_07_4.jpg)
First from the left and second from the right: the two Red Box Games trolls, again very Bonner-like types.
That should leave you with a nice Dragon Rampant troll warband for a start. Have a look at the kickstarters, sometimes you can order the miniatures even after closing time, and when not: happy hunting on Ebay, they should be available there. But don't pay ridiculous prices, they are only plastic minis ... :)
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Excellent, very many thanks. A fine gathering of trolls! I'll keep my eyes open for them. You're right about silly prices on ebay, though...
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Just in case anyone is interested, Riotminds are running another KS for English language hard copies of their RPG rules:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1256540796/trudvang-chronicles
I expect most of the artwork will already be included in the dedicated artbook, although they say some new illustrations have been commissioned. However it should supply the context to the (occasionally puzzling) pictures there. My own interest is mainly for background to skirmish gaming, rather than as an RPG, but you never know.
Hefty shipping costs as before, but looks like a flat rate; and there are some good stretch goals already unlocked with 26 days to go. The whole bundle even including shipping looks a good bargain at this stage.
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I missed out on the artbook, but have decided to go in on their latest kickstarter. As you say the postage costs are high, but it's a decent package. Like you I'm more interested in the background, but I might be able to convince a few of my gaming buddies to run the adventure book...
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Well, it's clocking through the stretch goals - you now get half a dozen books plus a bonus pdf adventure. Interested to see what else might emerge if they unlock all the existing goals (which at the current rate might happen by this weekend).
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Thanks for the heads up. Too bad they aren't offering the art book as an an add-on. I suppose most of the same art will actually be in the books however? Doubt I will ever play this but I am interested in the background and art too, so I will likely pick it up...
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My definite sense is that the great majority of the art in the artbook is taken directly from the RPG books, so I think you'd get a good deal of what's in the artbook but in its original context. Of course some of it may well come from volumes that haven't yet been translated.
As of a few days ago, there were I think a few artbooks left for direct sale via their main website, or so I read in an email. They may have all gone now, of course, and I imagine the shipping would be high as usual... But whilst there is some background in the artbook, there's not really enough to do more than intrigue me enough to want to know more; so even though I also rather doubt I'll ever play it, I'm keen to get the RPG books (to add to my collection of unplayed RPGs...)