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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: carlos marighela on 18 August 2015, 02:06:42 PM
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I see they've been released. Look pretty bloody good too.
http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/napoleonic-portugese/products/napoleonic-portuguese-line-infantry
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The figures look like they could be really nice, although I'm not crazy about having to buy four of their metal figures in order to get 20 plastics.
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Bonjour,
Re "The figures look like they could be really nice, although I'm not crazy about having to buy four of their metal figures in order to get 20 plastics."
I'm not crazy about having to buy 20 plastics to get 4 metals!
Each to their own.
Cheers,
Paul
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Bonjour,
Re "The figures look like they could be really nice, although I'm not crazy about having to buy four of their metal figures in order to get 20 plastics."
I'm not crazy about having to buy 20 plastics to get 4 metals!
Each to their own.
Cheers,
Paul
split the box?
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You could always try asking them, I've had warlord do a few custom orders for me, for example the two foot miniatures from the Napoleon carriage.
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You could always try asking them, I've had warlord do a few custom orders for me, for example the two foot miniatures from the Napoleon carriage.
Alot of the stuff is cast to order so im sure they would help with casting an extra command set if you asked nicely.
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Exactly, they told me in future just ask, some stuff they cannot do separate(like the army book miniatures) but most other stuff is fair game, along with the napoleon minis I got a replacement horse for an officer and a bunch on single miniatures that came with bigger sets.
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*sigh*
yet more stuff I would like to get o_o
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Given that Alan seems to have have just started doing the Peninsular I'm not sure how well these will sell(?).
I know that it was suggested in the 'add' for the Peninsular Brits that they would be doing the more 'off the wall' troop types who saw service there and it would be folly to assume that the Brits would at least be supported by the Portuguese wouldn't it?
Having said all that, I haven't seen the pics proper of the WArlord offerings and don't know the Perry plans for the Peninsular so I don't really know.
Darrell.
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Thought this might be interesting; http://www.warlordgames.com/painting-napoleonic-portuguese/
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Note that piping, cuffs and collar colours depend on the regiment,
I think that this reference is correct:
http://www.napoleonguide.com/infantry_ptline_1806.htm
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Also if he's doing late war Portuguese hasn't he fitted the wrong heads, they look like "barretina" in the pictures?
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/insert button counter mode here
not convinced by the blue used either, looks too light to me.
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but nevertheless still a nice job
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Agreed nice easy to replicate paint job, also thought the blue looked a bit too light, but that's personal preference, mostly, and still may get some as they are easy to paint.
Commented about the Shakos as this was a "how to" article on the manufacturers own website and, as both head types are included I believe they have missed an opportunity to inform their customers as to the uses of them :)
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Anybody know if figures for Light, Grenadier and Fusilier companies are included in the boxes?
Cheers
Tony
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Barretina shako was in use untill 1809/1810 when the stovepipe shako was introduced.
Some militia regiments also had the barretina untill latter (1812) and then they also started changing for the stovepipe.
Blue trousers for winter, white trousers for summer.
I hope this photo helps on painting ideas (23rd regiment).
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Useful picture Rumacara cheers.
Do you know much about the organisation of Portuguese regiments during the mid Peninsular war period after the changes around the time Beresford took over command?
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I may get some information.
What exactly do you need?
Strenght and composition of units/regiments?
Colors?
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Hi Rumacara
Basic composition stuff really.
How many companies in each Battalion of a regiment?
Did each battalion have a Grenadier and Light company as well as Fusilier companies?
Uniform distinctions between Grenadier, Light and Fusilier companies if any?
Confirmation of number of Colours/Flags carried, I believe the 1st Battalion carried the King's Colour and the 2nd Battalion the Regimental Colour?
Thanks for your help.
Tony.
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Hi Tony
According to René Chartrand, each light infantry battalion of Cazadores had five companies of 123 men each. Four of these were Cazadores companies while the fifth was an elite Atiradores company.
Under Beresford's authority, the reformed Portuguese line infantry regiments abandoned their older 7-company battalion structure after 1808 and were organised into two battalions, each comprising four fusilier companies and one of grenadiers. There was no light infantry company as that role was fulfilled by the Cazadores battalion brigaded with each par of line infantry regiments.
One flag per battalion, as you say.
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Thanks Arthur, so Front Rank Figurines Portuguese Line Infantry - Stovepipe Cap, light coy figures shouldn't actually be needed then.
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The stovepipe shako was introduced in 1809 to replace the barretina caps. However, it seems the transition took a while and the new shako did not become universal until 1811 at least, all the more so as the quality of the stovepipe was apparently rather shoddy. So unless you're doing an 1812 or 1813 Peninsular army, you can justifiably have a mix of barretinas and stovepipes, though probably not within the same unit.
And no, no light coy from 1809 onward despite Front Rank offering some in stovepipe shakos.
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Found a review of them online...the neck join looks awful
http://wargamesillustrated.co.uk/napoleonic-portuguese-line-infantry/
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Thanks for the confirmations Arthur.
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Kommando_J,
Agreed the metals look especially bad unless they have used a strangely dark adhesive to attach the heads. The collars on Warlord figures are moulded attached to the heads and on the plastic british i have don't look too bad once painted up.
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Under Beresford's authority, the reformed Portuguese line infantry regiments abandoned their older 7-company battalion structure after 1808 and were organised into two battalions, each comprising four fusilier companies and one of grenadiers. There was no light infantry company as that role was fulfilled by the Cazadores battalion brigaded with each par of line infantry regiments.
One flag per battalion, as you say.
I thought that from 1808 the Portuguese regiments had 10 companies 8 fusilier, 1 grenadier and 1 light infantry. This was split as 2 battalions 1 of 4 fusiliers and a grenadier co and the other 4 fusilier and a light co (this is the structure mentioned in the Osprey MAA book on the Portuguese Army (vol 1) by Rene Chartrand)
In a couple of books I have Philip Haythornthwaite mentions that the light companies were apparently detached in 1811
Edit - Having said that I have just found a thread in the Napoleon Series Archive that discusses this -
http://www.napoleon-series.org/cgi-bin/forum/archive2003_config.pl?md=read;id=20893
does not really help - but if you want to use a light coy you probably could!
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The Commissar, you are right about the composition of a portuguese regiment.
I have no mention of a split of the light company in no period of the peninsular war but i will try and check as soon as i can with the efectives corrected (just didnt had time yet to do it).
Portuguese cacadores regiments where diferent in organization.
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My memory from my reading and info from here was that the initial Beresford order in July was for the 10 companies and then this was overturned a few months later back to the 1808 5 company structure per battalion. So I kept mine to 4 fusilier and one grenadier per battalion.
However given the historic relatively low numbers of men in each battalion in various OOB I have assumed that each regiment generally fought with both regimental battalions combined into one rather than as separate units so as to keep frontage.