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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: area23 on 10 October 2015, 02:59:38 PM
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Does anyone know of good books, site or other info about the 1918-1920 agit-prop trains than rode across Russia to teach the revolution?
Especially colour reproductions of the actual paintings on the wagons would be much appreciated.
I've got this sudden urge to paint my plastic train in style.
(https://philipstanfielddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/russian-revolution-21.jpeg)
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The color image is difficult to find. However, I think the you need to take as a basis the Soviet posters of the Civil War.
(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4386/34675312.jpg)
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4386/34675312.jpg
(http://s018.radikal.ru/i516/1305/bf/5ae28c19c041.jpg)
http://s018.radikal.ru/i516/1305/bf/5ae28c19c041.jpg
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/alienordis/49498193/396737/396737_original.jpg)
(http://penza-post.ru/uploads/kur/d41e126b2690.jpg)
(http://enc.cap.ru/pics/%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%82_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B4.jpg)
(http://history.sgu.ru/img/x1-Z5_066.jpg)
(http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/1104/18/e656d216c9c3.jpg)
(http://pics2.pokazuha.ru/p442/f/j/6591173fjf.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/15817/YF66woy5Ick.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/1580e/8aYPKtVJudc.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/15805/7iMAwfPgFAc.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/157ea/GTF7mirXk-g.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/157e1/lIf4T8hGqQk.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/15832/urNvIeO4ffU.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/1584d/4R8TyS0O2TU.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/15844/B9KqohZyZTQ.jpg)
(http://cs621726.vk.me/v621726619/15820/7Cs9UIJ_R_g.jpg)
(http://stanovoebibl.ucoz.ru/_si/0/56488806.jpg)
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Thanks a lot. :)
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Very cool pictures.
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Great pics! I am really looking forward to seeing your train painted up!
LB
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There's some interesting photos here: http://www.incite-online.net/heftberger4.html (http://www.incite-online.net/heftberger4.html)
The only colour reference I know of:
(http://cinesovietico.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tren_agitacion_color.jpg)
from: http://cinesovietico.com/?p=1661 (http://cinesovietico.com/?p=1661) you may want to run that through a translator.
There's a recreation in the film "Reds"
(https://mediartinnovation.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/1981_beatty_reds_c.jpg)
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Brilliant, just brilliant!
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Excellent! thanks a lot for the info.
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So many great images!
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This A great idea,Although I'm intrigued to see how you get on with this. You've inspired my own project (as I'd no thoughts at all on how to paint the carriage for my land train) now I've a head full of ideas for painting,and now also a use for it ,and scenario ideas for Pulp,and more.
So consider this idea 'borrowed '(just for on carriage) and the images are just geek eye candy .So I'll be watching out for the finished train or WIP.
Mark.
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I found these images,they should help with colours if nothing else,as for the slogans no idea my Russian is as good as my Dolphin (could be advertising jam for all I know) still even if there later than you need I suspect the colours would be very similar .The Posters all seem to have a similar limited colour scheme ,This is roughly what I intend to use as inspiration for my own project ( I'm not that bothered if it's not quiet right as its for a fictional role rather than an historical one)As its not really an area I know anything about I'm sure some one will correct me.Your topic has inspired me to look at this subject in greater depth.
Mark.
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Nice! Where's that model train from?
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Sorry there's no information,they just turned up in a search which led to a photobucket style page and the image info was blank.
These images come from the History Extra site.The image of factory workers is actually an English painting but it emotes the period and is an easier painting style to scale down to 28mm.
Mark.
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In relation to the film "Reds", the train in it appears at around 2:50:17 and is in several scenes including a ambush. There's also another interesting form of rail vehicle at 2:25:17.
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Very interesting pictures! Thanks.
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(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37646;image)
"Citizens - surrender their weapons!"
The poster encourages to surrender their weapons, which was very much in hands of the population after being the soldiers abandoned the front and without permission returned to their homes.
It is hardly suitable for an image on a train. These trains generally carried calls for education, to help the Red Army and made fun of white and interventionists. And, of course, praising the Soviet power.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37648;image)
1st May 1920 (Feast of Soviet Russia - the World Day of Solidarity of Workers). Perfect for the train.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37650;image)
Whiteguard poster. St. George killing the red dragon. The poster inscription: "For a United Russia!"
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37651;image)
"Literacy - the path to communism!"
Excellent choice for the train.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37665;image)
Poster of the First World War, celebrating the successes of the French and the British.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37666;image)
Poster of the First World War. "Subscribe to the war loan."
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37667;image)
Poster of the First World War. Russian troops celebrating the capture of the city of Lviv.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=83341.0;attach=37668;image)
Poster of the Soviet feature film. It is hardly suitable for the trains.
Now I look or see that I have a poster of the Bolshevik ...
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(http://s018.radikal.ru/i510/1510/ec/00c059c5cda5.jpg)
"Entered the service in the Red cavalry!"
(http://s020.radikal.ru/i704/1510/70/9e541b521eef.jpg)
"All power - the landlords and capitalists! Workers and peasants - the whip!"
(http://s008.radikal.ru/i306/1510/95/754e3acf6ef9.jpg)
"Long live the vanguard of the revolution - Red Navy!"
(http://s009.radikal.ru/i308/1510/91/9480a1c43fc5.jpg)
"Cossack you with whom? With us or with them?"
(http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/1510/e4/5a0daad3f3dd.jpg)
"Expel the Poles from Ukraine!"
(http://i058.radikal.ru/1510/ac/3ddbae4d454a.jpg)
"You volunteered for the Red Army?"
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i620/1510/69/9ad31ed78f73.jpg)
"Help the starving!"
(http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1510/95/43b0c12ca64f.jpg)
"That's who against Soviet power."
(http://s015.radikal.ru/i330/1510/e3/77aeb3414b34.jpg)
"Beat the Polish lord! And about Baron Wrangel not forget!"
(http://s020.radikal.ru/i712/1510/ac/2ac9eb9b3c5d.jpg)
"Beat the Whites with red wedge!"
I have still a lot of posters. Continue?
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Lovely!
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I can only speak for myself I'd love to see more ,and your translations have been very helpful.I wasn't aware of the context of the surrender your arms poster. It's my intention to use parts of the posters,(slogans/images )to create purely fictional billboard images.
My own project is a land train and not a railway train,so Im fine with an interpretation of the art rather than a copy.As for the film poster I intend to use aspects of the image,and also intend on doing a series3 with a red flag and figure on the turret to act as a counterpart for this one.
Mark.
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Oh please continue Cuprum! :)
I still find it amazing that there are many books on bolshevik propaganda posters and russian constructivist avant-garde art, but I havent found any on the propaganda trains.
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(http://s017.radikal.ru/i413/1510/c2/c274434bd53a.jpg)
Leon Trotsky in the image of Saint George killing "Serpent of the counterrevolution".
(http://s012.radikal.ru/i319/1510/ca/0d68ea3637d1.jpg)
Let the rifle is located close to you.
(http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1510/de/79b6afded02a.jpg)
We, on the woe all bourgeois, blow up world conflagration
(http://s018.radikal.ru/i512/1510/48/cebcfbe259c3.jpg)
Only the commanders from among the people would lead the Red Army to victory!
(http://s013.radikal.ru/i323/1510/02/d513b8872b39.jpg)
Military training for all - the key to freedom.
I am a peasant, I stand on guard with a rifle. I guard freedom and their land.
(http://s018.radikal.ru/i527/1510/22/33df2bc70a76.jpg)
Workers of all countries, unite!
One year old proletarian dictatorship.
(http://s003.radikal.ru/i204/1510/f4/1399a40e66ae.jpg)
Be on the lookout!
(http://s019.radikal.ru/i603/1510/6b/fc8d7725cdae.jpg)
A capitalist.
(http://s017.radikal.ru/i421/1510/47/e0542196be89.jpg)
Wrangel is still alive! Finish Him without mercy.
(http://s020.radikal.ru/i705/1510/f1/b49e470e7326.jpg)
Fable of the Red Army soldier, who destroyed for torn off button closing.
(http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/1510/dc/fd2f6fd174f9.jpg)
You shed your blood for a workers 'and peasants' revolution.
The workers and peasants are deprived of most necessary themselves, they are of the latest assets give you clothes and shoes.
Take care of your clothing!
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This is good stuff, very inspirational. I forgot all about the train from "Reds"