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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Arthur on 30 October 2015, 06:43:49 PM
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... which will allow you to roam the whole globe from 1800 until 1807 since Alan Perry seems intent on pulling out all the stops with his Brits :
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2081.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2082.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2083.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2084.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2085.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2086.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2087.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2088.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2089.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2091.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2092.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2093.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2095.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2096.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2097.jpg)
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A bewildering array of choice! :)
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You where not kidding
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He's really going for it o_o
And even had time time to paint a few 8)
cheers
James
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More flank companies, two packs of marines and some dismounted light dragoons (many dragoons fought on foot and were issued infantry muskets because of a shortage of horses during the 1801 campaign). The last pack is intended for the Peninsula :
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2098.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%2099.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%20100.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%20101.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%20102.jpg)
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/BH%20103.jpg)
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Beautiful!
In how large units would the dragoons and marines be organized?
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Hm
French emigres at Quiberon seem possible from the flank companies :)
nice !
Carl
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Beautiful!
In how large units would the dragoons and marines be organized?
They'd be small ones. I don't have the figures at hand for the marines, but at Alexandria, Finch's cavalry brigade numbered 1,170 men, 500 of whom were mounted. Hompesch's hussar regiment accounted for 150 of these, which leaves roughly 1,000 for the three light dragoon regiments (the 11th, 12th and 26th).
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As with everything the Perrys do, outstanding sculpts.
What campaigns are these aimed at?
I presume there is a plan but I'm in the dark as to what it is. Please advise.
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I can't say campaign what the Perry brothers have aimed these at, apart from Egypt but many are good for the various Caribbean campaigns and some should do for things like Maida. The presence of dismounted dragoons means that the River Plate campaigns are possible at last. If only I had the time ad the money......
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It would be good to get a firing line/skirmishing pack of the flank co with crested hats.
I have not been able to find much on the uniforms of light dragoon trumpeters from say 1800 onwards - it looks like they wore reversed colours before the dolman was adopted late in the 18th Century but not sure what happened when the uniform changed.
Any one have some info?
Thanks
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These look great.
For me, sadly, they are too late (post 1800 uniform) so imho not usable for french revolution, landings in north of Holland 1799 or as french emigré units before 1799 although for the last ones in the Osprey are some paintings about emigré units in closed to the waist and short tailed jackets.
So maybe limited use for 1795.
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These look great.
For me, sadly, they are too late (post 1800 uniform) so imho not usable for french revolution, landings in north of Holland 1799 or as french emigré units before 1799 although for the last ones in the Osprey are some paintings about emigré units in closed to the waist and short tailed jackets.
So maybe limited use for 1795.
Nic Robson at Eureka has said that he intends to get around to the British for the French Revolutionary Wars. The range is still expanding, albeit more slowly so it's a real prospect, though I have no idea when. The Russians are already done so it probably just takes a bit of a push along.
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Is it still expanding? Haven't seen anything new recently
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It's been very quiet on the WFR front at Eureka over the past 18 months but a well informed source tells me that more Russians should be released soon - I don't have a date though.
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Hoping Alan and Michael will eventually do the French (Egypt) dragoons as well. Buttoned down overalls and single breasted surtout. Would be great if they did them with separate heads, Helmet and Casquette a pouf. That way you could give then green, blue or even (off) white uniform jackets.
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If you are referring to the white uniform below, it's a complete fabrication by Knötel. He erroneously assumed that the off-duty white surtout some dragoon officers had local tailors custom-make for them was worn by the rank and file as well. The clothing bills for 1800-1801 clearly show that no such garment was ever issued to dragoon privates and NCO's and the men continued to wear the regulation green long-tailed habit until their return to France in 1801.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i414/arthurs-account/50780261_zpsqjg2uhmx.jpg)
Dragoons were issued a dark green double-breasted stable jacket for fatigue duties (see figure C below) but such jackets would not normally be worn in action. The casquette à pouf was similarly issued as an undress item though some dragoons would wear it in combat if their helmet had been lost or damaged. Some enterprising troopers even replaced the pouf with a horsehair tail to make the cap look more like a regular dragoon helmet (see 11). That said, helmets would normally be worn in battle if the men could help it.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i414/arthurs-account/IMG_60140704_0004%20-%20copie_zpsdnhaotdo.jpg)
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Thanks for that Arthur! Don't know much about Napoleonic uniforms at all.
But I was referencing to an illustration in the Charles Grant book Napoleon's Campaign in Egypt Vol I (illustrations by Bob Marrion- but obviously based on the Knotel plate) that shows an officer of the 3rd regiment in this outfit.
It also mentions the clothing regulation of 19.6.1799 that says that single breasted coats of unbleached linen, piped in the appropriate facing colour were issued.
But I"ll already be quite happy if the Perrys bring out the dragoons in campaign dress.
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I haven't got Grant's books on the Egyptian campaign but I'd be curious to see his source for the white surtouts. Frankly, this is the first time I've heard of a clothing ordinance dated June 1799. Bonaparte did reorganise his cavalry on June 25th 1799 but it was not until August that he ordered the entire army into new uniforms, which weren't manufactured and issued until November anyway. The strangest thing is that Rigo (a.k.a Albert Rigondeau, who worked from the administrative records of the Armée d'Orient) never mentions such a document.
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I haven't got Grant's books on the Egyptian campaign but I'd be curious to see his source for the white surtouts. Frankly, this is the first time I've heard of a clothing ordinance dated June 1799. Bonaparte did reorganise his cavalry on June 25th 1799 but it was not until August that he ordered the entire army into new uniforms, which weren't manufactured and issued until November anyway. The strangest thing is that Rigo (a.k.a Albert Rigondeau, who worked from the administrative records of the Armée d'Orient) never mentions such a document.
The only thing I could find is a translation of an anonymous member in the Service de Habillement ( also in the Grant book) Translated by Elting and appeared in Tradition #43. Apparently a 4 part article by R Marrion again.
Roughly it says that Napoleon wanted a second issue of clothing for his army instead of the first which was made of linen. The second issue had to be wool but not enough of any single colour could be found with the spectacular results we all admire now. Perhaps those unbleached linen surtouts were part of the first, unsatisfactory, issue? I've got a few older French books on the subject and will see if I can find something more concrete.
This is indeed a perfect illustration of the fun a wargamer can have!
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This is all perfectly true : the cotton uniform issued in late 1798 proved too fragile to the rigours of campaign and most officers complained that their men were in rags by the time the army returned from the Syrian campaign in June/July 1799 (only the trousers were linen by the way, the coats being made of a lightweight cotton material called cotonnade). Hence the decision to switch to cloth habits-vestes in August 1799, the result being the famous 'Kléber' uniform.
I doubt the dragoons received white leftover cotton uniforms for two reasons : 1/ because those remaining in the stores would have immediately been issued to the infantry as stopgap clothing until the new cloth habit-vestes were ready and that doesn't seem to have happened 2/ because I seem to recall coats were always made from already dyed material, not tailored first and dyed afterwards (which is the reason for the multi-coloured uniforms of late 1799 : the French clothing board made use of all existing colours available in the stores in sufficient quantities).