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Miniatures Adventure => Post-Apocalyptic Tales => Topic started by: Too Bo Coo on 05 January 2016, 08:34:43 PM
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https://manticblog.com/2016/01/05/twelve-days-mantic-christmas-12-walking-dead/
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Mmmm, this could be yet another project... ;D
Cheers,
Za
BTW how are you doing TBC?
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I'm both intrigued and lackadaisical about the announcement. On the one hand, more zombies. There are dozens of options out there for zombie miniatures. On the other hand, character miniatures based on the comics (and hopefully tv, but they mentioned only the comic...so a Darryl mini seems a way off) would be very exciting to see.
By mentioning factions I think we'll see the zombies take a back seat and possibly play something like the zombies in Deadzone, rather than one player controlling them against the humans. If the scenario play and characterization is there, this game could get my attention. If not, I'll likely let it pass me by.
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Personally not one i'll be investing in, but i do like mantic and wish them the best of luck with it. :)
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Anything to do with Mantic gets a massive no vote from me.
Let them put right the problems with everything else they have done in the last 18 months before launching yet another money grab.
>:(
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The only Mantic products I own are their wonderful ghouls and zombies, so I don't have any negative feelings about this (as a fan of the show), just positive. :)
Out of curiosity, where does the ill will towards Mantic come from?
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I'll be skipping this. Not impressed with Dungeon Saga minis and fulfillment. Saying that I did spring for the shipping of the revised rulebook. DIdn't want the game incomplete.
I may get this at retail if it turns out looking any good. I hope they go for hard plastic instead of the other cr@p they use.
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Of course if you want some really top notch minis that ARE TWD,
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/687110463/z-clipz-outbreak-28mm-zombie-and-survivor-miniatur
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I don't have a problem with Mantic. Mars Attacks went fine for me and I am currently in Deadzone and Warpath which I don't really find that problematic yet.
This doesn't grab me though and I read The Walking Dead. I don't see the point of yet another zombie based game. There are tons of them out there already. I don't really feel like The Walking Dead, be it comics or TV, adds much to the genre for gaming. Maybe if the rules were Player Vs. Player survivor goups with game controlled zombies. But even the latest Zombicide does that. I think All Things Zombie does too. They could reward you for poor decision making, because Rick makes tons of bad calls to advance the plot:)
The books aren't deep enough to mine too many factions from. You've got Rick's group, Woodbury, and the Saviors. Maybe one or two smaller meaningless groups.
One good thing could be drawing attention to our hobby. I know many comic shops that wouldn't touch a miniatures game not associated with a comic or Star Wars.
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I'll be skipping this. Not impressed with Dungeon Saga minis and fulfillment. Saying that I did spring for the shipping of the revised rulebook. DIdn't want the game incomplete.
I may get this at retail if it turns out looking any good. I hope they go for hard plastic instead of the other cr@p they use.
Yeah, if it's plastic-resin or whatever my interest will drop hard, although I'd hope that with this likely being very popular, they'd be able to afford hard plastic.
This soesn't grab me though and I read The Walking Dead. I don't see the point of yet another zombie based game. There are tons of them out there already. I don't really feel like The Walking Dead, be it comics or TV, adds much to the genre for gaming. Maybe if the rules were Player Vs. Player survivor goups with game controlled zombies. But even the latest Zombicide does that. I think All THings Zombie does too. They could reward you for poor decision making, because Rick makes tons of bad calls to advance the plot:)
The books aren't deep enough to mine too many factions. You've got Rick's group, Woodbury, and the Saviors. Maybe one or two smaller meaningless groups.
One good thing could be drawing attention to our hobby. I know many comic shops that wouldn't touch a miniatures game not associated with a comic or Star Wars.
Ah, for me personally I don't have a favorite (or any) rule set for playing Zombies yet, aside from Zombicide which I like as a board game but don't think I'd really want to use as a full on miniatures game. I also haven't invested in zombie miniatures other than some basic plastic zeds from WGF and Studio miniatures; that combined with the appeal of TWD characters to both myself and many of my friends who I'm trying to get into gaming is where my excitement stems from I guess. It does seem like I am in the minority on here, LAFers all seem to have extensive zombie gaming collections already. lol
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I'm in the same boat, I dont yet have a favorite zombie game. Zombicide is great for a board game, but I'd like something where the zombies can be run as an opposing group or as a third party. I have ATZ but I think it's awful. It's a book full of tables and it feels like a 'press your luck' style game where it's all over when the dice turn against you.
I have all of the zombies that Studio makes, plus the WGF plastics for Zombies and Survivors. So if I can just buy the new rules from Mantic I'm willing to give it a go.
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Normally I am a miniatures first kind of guy. I can always use the miniatures for something else if I don't like the rules. In this case I think the rules will have to sway me.
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The game will be groups of survivors facing off against each other fighting over limited resources. The Walkers are there as a hazard (and can be used to harass your opponent). Noise etc. draws them.
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New hard plastic* miniatures for All Things Zombie :)
*i hope
And i hope it will match Wargames Factory miniatures successfully.
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https://youtu.be/vJ5_MfqQFbw
Video with a tiny bit of info.
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The zombie minis do look good. Otherwise not a game that interests me. I'm not a big zombie fan and I already own 7ombie tv if the mood did take me.
Also fed up with Mantic kickstarters.
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I'm actually really excited about this. The Walking Dead epitomizes a 'realistic' zombie setting for me, and I think the appeal is because it's not over the top, and it is gritty. I dislike 'specials' in zombie games and fiction, and Zombicide is far too cartoony and OTT for me - despite riding on the coattails of TWD show's success.
The zombies are going to be AI controlled and an environmental hazard in the game, rather than a faction themselves. Should lend itself well to Solo and Co-Op.
Just picked up some new hard-plastic enforcers and they are a great bit of kit - so keen to see some more pics of the minis, and I certainly don't have a problem with Mantic.
And from the official walking dead website;
http://www.thewalkingdead.com/a-walking-dead-miniatures-game-is-coming/
"With a target price of £35/$50 the core game will feature Rick, Carl and other heroes and villains ripped straight from the pages of the hit comic book, plus a host of walkers, a selection of scenarios and everything else needed to play. A series of expansions are scheduled for release in the months following the launch, introducing additional fan-favorite characters such as Shane, Michonne and Glenn."
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Out of curiosity, where does the ill will towards Mantic come from?
Because, as this will follow the now standard Mantic Bait & Switch policy they will:
Promise figures in hard plastic and then produce them in awful PVC and tell you it is better that way.
Advertise and offer a load of scenarios and rule options that they will fail to produce and then tell you they never meant to and it was the fault of a staff member who is no longer with the company.
Abandon any vestige of customer service once they have your money.
I get the impression that all they learned from their time at GW was the Greed.
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I doubt hard plastic will be advertised, I suspect they'll go with the softer 'board game' type plastic they used for Mars Attacks right from the get go.
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I doubt hard plastic will be advertised, I suspect they'll go with the softer 'board game' type plastic they used for Mars Attacks right from the get go.
Got enough of those from 3 seasons of Zombicide + all add-ons (except the dork tower comic ones)
So :no hard plastic = no sale for me.
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I could be wrong... Maybe it will be hard plastic.
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We can only hope :)
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There seems to be a "no kickstarter" rumour running around the forums. No sure how true this is, but it seems viable since this is a big title that mantic can probably split the costs on and easily make the money back on. Plus there are details on the walking dead website about what is going to be in the main game and expansions, so that tells me this has been in development for a while, something that again, makes me think alot of the work on this really is done and kickstarter isn't really needed. (this could even be why so much has been delayed (apparently) on other projects.)
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Mantic already said it will be a KS on their facebook page.
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Mantic already said it will be a KS on their facebook page.
Curses.
You had your chance to break the cycle mantic! YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE!! lol
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Mantic already said it will be a KS on their facebook page.
I'll wait until it hits retail. ::)
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Mantic already said it will be a KS on their facebook page.
Where ? I cannot find this announcement. :(
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Where ? I cannot find this announcement. :(
https://www.facebook.com/manticgames/posts/10153770322717319
It will be a Kickstarter smile emoticon
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Bummer, I dont really do KS's for games anymore....
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Curses.
You had your chance to break the cycle mantic! YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE!! lol
They can't though, each new KS is necessary to pay for the fulfilment of the last.
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I'll probably wait for retail on this one too. I've had Deadzone for like two year and haven't played it, despite having built all the models LONG ago.
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They're quoting a retail price of £35/$50 - source (http://www.thewalkingdead.com/a-walking-dead-miniatures-game-is-coming/), so I'll just wait for retail as well. I have enough zombies to start my own apocalypse, so the buying decision will be based on the quality of the survivors and rules.
My biggest gripe with Mantic is that bits are often missing from their games. I bought a boxed set of their Deadzone rebels and one figures was missing. I bought Dungeon Saga just before Christmas and the bestiary card was missing.
They replaced the missing figure and I will get the bestiary card, but I've been told it's at least a six week wait. The email that told me that also said that they'd had to hire six new staff just to deal with boxes that had stuff missing :o I don't know who does their packing, but they need to find someone better!
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The email that told me that also said that they'd had to hire six new staff just to deal with boxes that had stuff missing :o I don't know who does their packing, but they need to find someone better!
The DS sets were packed in China at source. Mantic simply don't have the capacity to pack that number of boxed sets themselves. The actual % of errors may be low but when you are packing that number of sets with such a large number of components it is more or less inevitable that some will get through. With the quoted price of £35 I'm hoping that this will be a reasonably straightforward release.
Incidentally I spotted an interesting bit in a recent interview with Rick Priestly which might help to explain to some of you why Mantic Kickstart their new games. (The interview is well worth a read)
But it ended up being one of the great dividing points of Games Workshop. We’d grown internationally at a very fast pace, and we had to deal with French, Spanish, Italian versions of the games. The print runs of the foreign language editions were always bigger than we could sell, and after several near-disasters where we’d printed way too many of something, GorkaMorka being a classic example, we’d nearly bankrupted the company.
http://unpluggedgames.co.uk/features/blood-dice-and-darkness-how-warhammer-defined-gaming-for-a-generation/
GW in the 1990s were huge compared to Mantic - and they couldn't get the order quantities right with all their experience. A KS campaign gives a company a good steer on the popularity of a game as well as being a powerful marketing tool. It isn't a magic wand and it does have its well documented drawbacks but I don't know if a company of Mantic's size could reasonably have taken a punt on a license like this without Kickstarter in the current climate.
I'm undecided on whether I'll be backing this one myself, I'll have to wait until the campaign starts before making my mind up.
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Like I wrote, my standard rule now is: Thou shalt not back any game that has not been playtested and vetted.
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Given the piss-poor quality of Dungeon Saga, Mantic is now off my "will consider" list...but then I hated the Walking Dead series so this is no big loss for me. lol
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Given the piss-poor quality of Dungeon Saga, Mantic is now off my "will consider" list...but then I hated the Walking Dead series so this is no big loss for me. lol
But I think that was almost a guarantee. Anytime some business is given money sight unseen for a product or service, it seems the rule of the day is 'deliver as little as possible'. It makes me think how Mike McVey ruined his reputation with Sedition Wars.
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I assume that's mainly because of the Restic drama and not because of the rules...because the game itself is quite solid. Played it a lot and liked it a lot. It has 1 silly unplayable scenario, but the rest works well.
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Given the piss-poor quality of Dungeon Saga, Mantic is now off my "will consider" list...but then I hated the Walking Dead series so this is no big loss for me. lol
I don't really see what people are angry about with dungeon saga.I backed it for the minis, and yeah,they're boardgame minis,of course they are, it's a boardgame! :D they're nice enough and paint up well, the rules are fun enough. It's basically just heroquest, but if heroquest was released today everyone would moan about the lack of depth and replay value.
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............ everyone would moan about the lack of depth and replay value.
But that is my main gripe with Dungeon Saga. The figures are pretty poor, but given it was sold as a Boardgame with PVC figures that was expected*. The real issue for me (and why I will not back any other Mantic project) is that the rules we got do not contain a lot of the depth that was discussed and promised before and during the KS campaign. The so called "advanced" rulebook is a joke and IMHO the weakest part of the whole thing.
Mantic are very good at making promises they can't (or probably have no intention to) keep when it comes to generating KS hype and pulling in backers.
*Unlike the Warpath KS where figures were in Hard Plastic during the fundraising but have switched to soft PVC as soon as the KS funds were transferred to Mantic.
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Well, I'm hoping the game production will be more like Mars Attacks, another licensed game, than Dungeon Saga.
BoW video: http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-weekender/mantic-walking-dead-gw-starter-sets/
From Dakka:
Confirmed now that we're allowed to gush. Here's my braindump.
It's a skirmish game, not board game. Inches not squares.
Players each control a band of survivors fighting against each other. You build your gang like other skirmish games and campaign, injury & advancement rules are a core aspect. There are rules for "special characters" or whatever they are called (I played with Rick & Carl) but I've no idea how you'll go about hiring them in the actual game as opposed to generics. The scenario we tested was a small gang on gang fight over supplies placed randomly all over the board. Fairly simple but what I gathered to be a fairly typical pick up game.
Zombies are part of the scenery and AI controlled. They move towards loud noises so if you have a gun then you need to choose the right time to use it. Ammo is limited and you struggle to get more than a few shots off before needing to find looted ammo on the board (or if you purchased spare ammo when building your band). Most models can handle getting attacked by 1 zombie. 2 start to be a problem and 3+ means you're going down.
One of the fun-time tactics was running behind a stronger opponent, firing a gun randomly which draws the zombies straight at your opponents model. Chomp chomp. Problem is that your opponent shortly gets up as a walker.
The most Zombicide reminiscent rule is an escalation tracker, otherwise the guidelines is to stay away from how Zombicide does things. Rather than being based on how many zombies you kill, it's based on noise. Each time you fire a gun or do something noisy (like running or shouting) the escalation tracker goes up and the stronger and more numerous the zombies get. You can forgo actions to "shush" the escalation and drop it down so you have some great matchups where one players has a gang based on stealth and the other armed with a gakload of guns. The guns blazing player goes in making as much of a racket as possible while the other player tries to de-escalate it. At the end of each turn you draw a card to see how many zombies "activate" and who activates them (you, your opponent or a bit of basic "amble towards the nearest car" AI). The higher the tracker, the more zombies activate, in addition to those which are automatically triggered by noise.
Mechanics were very fun and intuitive. It took a while to get used to personally because I'm just used to flat D6 x+ rolls, but the dice rolls are based on coloured D6 with different symbols on them. Like with X-Wing but with several different variations of dice. Your gun might give you one red and one blue dice to shoot with, both with different chances of rolling what you require. We all had the mechanics down within a turn but then had to learn how to manage the escalation tracker.
The pre-production models I saw were fantastic. Right up with the best of Dungeon Saga.
Yes it's a zombie game, yes zombies have been done to death and all the rest of it. I'm not a huge Walking Dead fan either - before playing this I'd stopped watching the series towards the end of season 3. However, I fething LOVED it. I had an absolute blast playing it and it felt more like a Necromunda/Gorkamorka/Probably other games like Frostgrave that I've still not played than anything else. It was a really fun game (cue derail of "but how do you DEFINE fun man...). Everyone at the playtesting loved it and said that regardless of the license/setting, the game was fantastic fun.
Set amount of stuff to fund once funded that's it regardless of how long the KS has left to run.
Ronnie mentions that if they do fund everything it will be their biggest KS so they have planned beyond $1.2 million then.
Base pledge $100 - $125
1 pledge level only all in no add ons to prevent packing mistakes.
Retail starter box £35/$50.
Papermat and card terrain in box. KS may fund 3D terrain.
Retail blisters $12.50/$20 - 1 Hero, 1 secondary hero, 1 unique zombie, character and equipment cards
A few unique heroes will be retail only - not available in KS
120 sculpts in the product range. Sculpts are bulkier and a bit bigger than Mars Attacks and DS
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Hmm thats a big KS buyin. I will still probably do it but it's nice to know that if friends like the game it's only 50 bucks retail. :) The mechanics sound very fun.
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Interesting. It'll depend on how the miniatures scale as I've got the population of a small town in zombie form.
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The rules sound good at least but not sure I have any faith in a mantic KS any more.
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As I wrote, if I can buy the rules separately then I'm in. As of now, I have enough Zombies to run my of NFL league.... or to take over a bird sanctuary in Oregon....lol
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Given the piss-poor quality of Dungeon Saga, Mantic is now off my "will consider" list...but then I hated the Walking Dead series so this is no big loss for me. lol
I've only played the two intro missions for Dungeon Saga, but finally having a look through all the figures last night, I pronounced out loud to an empty room that "these are sh!t." Several of my figures are broken on a foot or hand that would connect to the base. The rest are all bent six ways from Sunday. I can fix them and they'll be paintable, but anything they release that is made in this material again will go immediately into my go-F-yourself category.
I think I'm one of the few people who liked the restic stuff they were using for early Dreadball and Deadzone. Yes it was a bitch to customize, but I was able to clean it up pretty nicely. It took paint well, and was more resilient than standard resin. I'd prefer nice plastics, but would take the restic over the garbage plastic they used for Dungeon Saga any day.
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I've only played the two intro missions for Dungeon Saga, but finally having a look through all the figures last night, I pronounced out loud to an empty room that "these are sh!t." Several of my figures are broken on a foot or hand that would connect to the base. The rest are all bent six ways from Sunday. I can fix them and they'll be paintable, but anything they release that is made in this material again will go immediately into my go-F-yourself category.
It took me about two minutes with a cup of boiling water and some superglue to fix all the models in my base set. I'm not so fond of the skeletons or the dwarf adventurer but the other sculpts looked good to me and the level of detail on them was great, particularly the zombie troll. I've seen some nice painted version out there too.
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My frustration isn't the ones that are bent, I've no problem using the hot water technique. My issue was that several of the figures are broken on the limb where they attach to the base. For example, the halfling hero is broken off just above the ankle, and there are several other examples of that sort of breakage. The detail on the figures is fine for sure. I just don't like this material, and won't likely buy another Mantic product that uses it. I know a lot of people felt the same way about the restic they used to use, so I guess it's evening out...
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Is it me or does this game promise more or less the same thing as All Things Zombie offers? It is presented as some completely new concept but I have been playing games like this with ATZ for some years now.
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I doubt very much this will introduce much new to the Zombie genre...but as the guys at BoW talked about, this would be a smart way into mini-gaming for non-gamers. Essentially buy this for name recognition at a non-hobby store and you can bring some new people into the fold.
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Yup. Perfect for comic shops that won't stock games that are not comic or Star Wars related.
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My frustration isn't the ones that are bent, I've no problem using the hot water technique. My issue was that several of the figures are broken on the limb where they attach to the base.
Sorry, now I understand. some of mine had separated cleanly from the bases and were easy to glue back which doesn't sound like the issue you have. That's a real annoyance in a new product but if you contact Mantic they will replace the broken figures. The bad news is that it might take some time for them to send out the replacements.
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I'm a bit torn about the Walking dead game. On the one hand, our club already has enough zombies and survivors. On the other hand, it has the potential to even garner interest from some of our wives.
I may well end up with the game, but based on the most recent Mantic Kickstarters I'll be waiting for retail. I have generally good feeligns toward Mantic, but they have had just enough let-down miniatures to make me wary and after getting hosed with $20 in shipping for a $50 mostly-rulebooks pledge, I'll wait until it shows up either at my FLGS or at an online retailer that will likely have much cheaper shipping and offer a discount.
I'm just not sure how much they can add to a $50 game to make it worth inflated shipping costs and the associated KS risks.
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I'm just not sure how much they can add to a $50 game to make it worth inflated shipping costs and the associated KS risks.
I've heard the KS price point will be quite a bit more than $50, but it is sure to include more than the base retail game.
We'll see.
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Is it me or does this game promise more or less the same thing as All Things Zombie offers? It is presented as some completely new concept but I have been playing games like this with ATZ for some years now.
It does sound like it doesn't it?! But, and I mean this with all due respect to Ed, this will be a much more mainstream release, and not a boutique rule set. ATZ is great, but you can't discount the appeal of the 'shiney' rulebook, and the fact that it may be stocked in store.
I'm more torn by the fact that I am already substantially invested in 15mm zombies for ATZ, and a scale switch doesn't make much sense!
Regarding restic, I have some season 1 dreadball asarians and they seem OK. People seem to be complaining about it, but will then fork over hundreds of dollars to Reaper for icky Bones which is a far more of a rubbish material.
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It does sound like it doesn't it?! But, and I mean this with all due respect to Ed, this will be a much more mainstream release, and not a boutique rule set. ATZ is great, but you can't discount the appeal of the 'shiney' rulebook, and the fact that it may be stocked in store.
I'm more torn by the fact that I am already substantially invested in 15mm zombies for ATZ, and a scale switch doesn't make much sense!
Regarding restic, I have some season 1 dreadball asarians and they seem OK. People seem to be complaining about it, but will then fork over hundreds of dollars to Reaper for icky Bones which is a far more of a rubbish material.
Although I know people love it, I loathe ATZ and the THW line. I felt like I was pointlessly jumping through hoops in a overly engineered 'push your luck' game.
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Although I know people love it, I loathe ATZ and the THW line. I felt like I was pointlessly jumping through hoops in a overly engineered 'push your luck' game.
It certainly has a very distinctive style and I can imagine that not appealing to veryone. It does IMO produce very enjoyable games though. It is the only participation game I did twice on the Ducosim con due to the fact that more people wanted to play it the first time than I could fit into my demos.
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I've tried a couple of games of ATZ, but struggle with it.
Having to roll "under" to do stuff confuses me, especially given that it's not consistently applied.
@obsidian3d - the Mantic replacement parts form is here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1l4oVhkzkrVzS1kYEs567bN_-_Iv6m9JrBXQTNEDEHH8/viewform), but their "contact us" section warns of long delays :(
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I've heard the KS price point will be quite a bit more than $50, but it is sure to include more than the base retail game.
We'll see.
You're probably right. It'd have to be a pretty great package to get me to go in on another Mantic KS.
I do think that the big deals in Mantic KS's that are at the $150-or-so mark do seem to be pretty great deals. For myself I think I've just about reached the point where enough "issues" have cropped up that pledging for a Mantic KS is no longer a given. This is from someone who participated in Deadzone 1, Kings of War 2.0 and Warpath kickstarters.
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I love the Walking Dead comics and dislike the show. I'm excited about this. :D
I've never backed a Mantic KS and I've read the mixed reviews regarding materials used and quality etc...
Luckily I've never had the displeasure of backing a KS that hasn't delivered, but understand there are horror stories galore.
The idea of one pledge level with no add ons, is step to reduce packaging errors. I'm just curious what comes in the $125.00 KS as opposed to the $50.00 store launch. As I'm sure we all are.
I'll probably back this KS assuming the Canadian dollar doesn't drop too much further before February. :'(
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If the minis become suspect I would imagine the best route would be to wait for retail...buy the base copy at 25-30% discount and simply use the rules (orrrr...sell off all the minis on ebay when you receive them). I think the Mantic guy in the BoW interview stated the pledge would be $100 or more. Nice thing is that he mentioned wanting to have one pledge. No nonsense, no add-ons. Buy the pledge or don't.
I'd personally like to see that more often.
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Nice thing is that he mentioned wanting to have one pledge. No nonsense, no add-ons. Buy the pledge or don't.
I'd personally like to see that more often.
I have doubts about Mantic pulling that off. Their KS tend to attract a VERY vocal crew in the comments sections that demand demand demand. When inevitably the KS stalls (or slows considerably) for a couple of days the pressure to offer SOME add on to get the totals moving again will grow. Mantic seems to give in to that type of pressure.
I hope they don't, but will not be even a tiny bit surprised at add ons worming theit way into the KS at some point.
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New blog post up from Mantic - link (http://www.thewalkingdead.com/intro-tabletop-gaming-with-mantic/)
There are pictures of some of the miniatures and an overview of how the game will play. I'm starting to lean towards collecting the minis more than the gameplay, but we'll see. You only get Rick and the brat with the base game (although four opposing figures and twelve walkers), with the plan being to release booster packs with more figures later on.
The minis are plastic, but as we all know, that can mean pretty much whatever they want these days :(
Scale is 30mm, although perhaps someone should point out to them that 1.5" != 30mm
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Not quite. 25mm = 1"
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I think I'll stick with my large collection of Studio minis, and just get a pdf of the matic rules if they turn out to be worthwhile at all. I agree with Zem's sentiment 'plastic' seems to be a very....'flexible' term these days. (that was TOTALLY an intended pun!)
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Kickstarter launch date is set for 1st Feb - link (https://manticblog.com/2016/01/25/15039/).
Guess that gives me a few weeks to decide. If they didn't have such a poor reputation for delivering stuff and if their packages had all the bits they're meant to (just under a month now and I'm still waiting for the replacement bestiary card from Dungeon Saga :() then I'd probably take the risk.
I suspect it'll come down to the extras and the quality of the plastic.
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I haven't personally dealt with their KS's before, so can't speak to the previous problems. But reading this release, it does seem like they are aware of them and making an earnest effort to head them off/prevent them occurring again this time around. Remains to be seen if they can back that up, but I am hopeful. :)
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Trouble with Mantic and KS is that you cannot trust them to produce what they promise. Things get cut/dropped and materials/formats change after the KS is completed.
After the way they have mishandled (or misrepresented) the Dungeon Saga rewards I will never back another Mantic project and would only consider buying from them as a last resort option via reputable 3rd party suppliers.
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How many more Zombie games do we need !?
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Just a general comment guys, I have generally found Lead Adventure to be an overwhelmingly positive space, unlike the comments section of TMP. How about we focus on the positives for now? :)
Mantic appear to be taking steps to avoid previous issues - and I am sure there are plenty of other threads where grievances can be aired about previous Kickstarters. Why don't we keep this thread for discussion about this Kickstarter?
Yes there are other Zombie games, but the Walking Dead is a seminal series. It is a much more serious take on the subject matter when compare to the OTT Zombicide (each to their own though).
I for one am really looking forward to it! :)
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The minis are plastic, but as we all know, that can mean pretty much whatever they want these days :(
IIRC They have stated that it will be the same material as was used for Dungeon Saga. The sculpts are a bit more stocky than some of the DS ones so they are hoping that there will be less warping.
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I don't get it. The core game will be $50 once it hits retail...but the Kickstarter has one pledge for $125. Huh? At $50 my wallet is desperate to unload...but at $125 it stays in my pocket.
Why the single high $$$ pledge?
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I don't get it. The core game will be $50 once it hits retail...but the Kickstarter has one pledge for $125. Huh? At $50 my wallet is desperate to unload...but at $125 it stays in my pocket.
Why the single high $$$ pledge?
Im sure it's to include all the unlocked add ons and stretch goals. I think there will be quite a few extras that will make it worth while given that they think this will be their biggest KS.
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So basically I can get into the Kickstarter to get a humongous amount of stuff for a big sum of money...and if I think that's overkill and too expensive I have to wait until the release date. From a logistical standpoint I can relate (much easier if you can send everybody the same stuff), but it feels a bit odd.
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Can't they just release the game and skip the whole Kickstarter non sense?
The company is already established and the property is well known. Just release it.
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So... a game about survivors murdering each other in a hissy fit while the zombies act as the occasional hazard?
Methinks I'll pass, when I'm rooting for the zombies I know something's not right.
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So... a game about survivors murdering each other in a hissy fit while the zombies act as the occasional hazard?
Methinks I'll pass, when I'm rooting for the zombies I know something's not right.
Glad to see I'm not the only one... ;D
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Glad to see I'm not the only one... ;D
:D
Surely we're not the only ones. lol
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I'm really on the fence with this one. I know a game with a well recognized IP behind it would be good for Demo-Games and the rules can always get a tweak or two... or be completely rewritten or simply substituted for another system.
I think the main thing holding me back is that I'm seeing the figures described as 30mm or big 28mm. Does anyone know how these will scale with other manufacturers products, or even Mantics current lines? I don't own any Mantic stuff, but this seems a little like when GW released the Lord of the Rings miniatures that were incompatible with pretty much everything else they were producing.
Cheers.
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I might be interested in the figures but am certainly not interested in the game.
Amonglions,
If they are 30-32mm they should fit in with RAFM moderns (based pretty close to you in Brantford).
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Does anyone know how these will scale with other manufacturers products, or even Mantics current lines?
You won't know until the masters are done, the Mantic ranges vary from the Ugly dumpy (Fantasy Dwarves and Warpath) through the OK proportion (Orcs, Dreadball, Mars Attacks) to the tall, thin and frail (Elves, Undead and Dungeon Saga).
If it is any consolation the current hard plastic fantasy zombies and ghouls are probably the best figures Mantic make.
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I'm not a zombie fan but I do like the looks of the survivors I've seen and would buy them if they scale with what I have
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Just a general comment guys, I have generally found Lead Adventure to be an overwhelmingly positive space, unlike the comments section of TMP. How about we focus on the positives for now? :)
Mantic appear to be taking steps to avoid previous issues - and I am sure there are plenty of other threads where grievances can be aired about previous Kickstarters. Why don't we keep this thread for discussion about this Kickstarter?
Yes there are other Zombie games, but the Walking Dead is a seminal series. It is a much more serious take on the subject matter when compare to the OTT Zombicide (each to their own though).
I for one am really looking forward to it! :)
I think it's fair to kick the tires a bit, so to speak. This is a KS and not retail offer, and with so many of our members being burned by Mantic KS projects in the past, it's easy to understand the skepticism. I think had the last few debacles not occurred your advice would be perfectly reasonable. At this point Mantic has only brought the skepticism on themselves.
I for one originally posted this thread not to read comments from only cheerleaders but to get real and honest feedback from people who have dealt with Mantic in the past. That is how I can best make an informed decision. So far I've read nothing outrageous or unfair.
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Past performance is generally the best indicator of future performance.
Maybe not always the only indicator, but to ignore it is silly.
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I think it's fair to kick the tires a bit, so to speak. This is a KS and not retail offer, and with so many of our members being burned by Mantic KS projects in the past, it's easy to understand the skepticism. I think had the last few debacles not occurred your advice would be perfectly reasonable. At this point Mantic has only brought the skepticism on themselves.
I for one originally posted this thread not to read comments from only cheerleaders but to get real and honest feedback from people who have dealt with Mantic in the past. That is how I can best make an informed decision. So far I've read nothing outrageous or unfair.
Agreed.
Mantic's previous KS performance is hugely relevant to those considering this KS. If someone is coming to Mantic for the first time via this game, we'd do them a disservice not to discuss the ups and downs of Mantic's KS track record.
Everything in this thread seems pretty fair and factual as is usually the case at Lead Adventure. All that said, the sculpts are looking pretty good so far.
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I strongly hope that they will put the 1$ option to pledge like they did in Mars Attacks KS. I got some pretty nice decors - cars and crashed UFO and for this KS I might only to want some things, 125$ is quite big amount for my gaming budget.
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I strongly hope that they will put the 1$ option to pledge like they did in Mars Attacks KS. I got some pretty nice decors - cars and crashed UFO and for this KS I might only to want some things, 125$ is quite big amount for my gaming budget.
They've indicated there will be one pledge level...
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How many more Zombie games do we need !?
Apparently, at least one more - Warlord Games Project Z (http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-project-z-zombie-skirmish-game/) ;D
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KS is live:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/the-walking-dead-all-out-war-miniatures-game
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And disappointed, the miniatures look like solid figures, no sprues and really the rest of the kit does not look impressive either. I had some higher hopes for the miniatures, maybe the game mechanics are better.
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And disappointed, the miniatures look like solid figures, no sprues and really the rest of the kit does not look impressive either. I had some higher hopes for the miniatures, maybe the game mechanics are better.
I pledged, but I have to agree - the minis are IMO under par.
Beefy 90s style GWish minis that often not resemble their Comic Counterpart.
The best example is Rick, I did not recognized him!
And yes they are one piece; quote from the KS FAQ:
"Q: What size are the miniatures? What material are the miniatures made from? Do the miniatures come painted?
A: The miniatures are 30mm scale, with the average adult character standing approximately 1.5” inches tall.
The miniatures are single-piece and no assembly is required. They are made from a highly detailed, durable plastic. The material is a type of PVC commonly used in games our games such as Dungeon Saga, as well as games by other manufacturers such as Wrath of Kings and more.
This plastic allows us to have a high level of detail whilst keeping the dynamic poses required for such a fast-paced game, and of course making them very affordable as you would expect from Mantic.
Note that this material is not the harder PVC commonly known as “restic”, and is not sprued “hard plastic” (polystyrene)."
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So, it's that horrible bendy stuff paint doesn't want to stick to? (No direct experience with the Mantic Dungeon Saga figures, but that is what it sounds like to me. Such a shame, low price just isn't worth the aggravation of cleaning soft plastic or restic for me. I'd rather pay a bit more for metal or hard plastic and enjoy assembling and de-flashing my figures.)
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Such a shame, low price just isn't worth the aggravation of cleaning soft plastic or restic for me. I'd rather pay a bit more for metal or hard plastic and enjoy assembling and de-flashing my figures.)
"Low Price' does not come into play yet anyway. Right now $125 plus shipping and the number of included miniatures is not vey good in my opinion. Of course, it is early in the KS project and the stretch goals are adding more and more...
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Yeah, I noticed the minimum pledge... Despite being rather fond of the whole zombie genre, this one became an auto-skip because of that minimum buy-in in combination with the material used. (I think my chronic zombi-itis may be in receding though, as the Walking Dead tv-show also failed to hold my attention after the first season or two. Or it could be just Walking Dead specific.)
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Out of curiosity, I'm keeping an eye on the campaign and I just saw that Michonne will be KS exclusive.
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Kickstarter exclusive sculpt.
I'm sure this means another version will be available retail.
Would make sense since otherwise they wouldn't be able to sell a very popular character in retail.
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They've already stated another Michone (with pets) figure will be in the KS and that version will be available via retail.
I hope this one does not have tree trunks for legs and perhaps a sword blade that looks reasonable.
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True, right now the $125 looks a bit crap for value, but at the rate this thing is climbing in the first couple days, I am banking on the number of stretch goals balancing it out or even making it a good value. It also has extra value to me as I have friends who like boardgames who I can seduce to the dark side of miniatures games because of the recognizable (and popular) IP.
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You could get Walking Dead character minis from Studio Miniatures and Hasslefree and use one of the many modern skirmish/zombie apocalypse rule sets out there to get your friends started if you wanted.
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There's still a while to decide, but I've not been impressed so far :(
I don't know if it's the painting or sculpting style, but a lot of the figures look remarkably similar, and the only way I knew a couple of them were female was because there was a female name underneath the picture.
I'm going to pick up some more Studio Miniatures figures in the next few days, so that'll probably hold me. The Warlord Games and WGF modern specal forces figures are more appealing, and should be out at least five months before Mantic.
However, I reserve the right to change my mind ;D
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You could get Walking Dead character minis from Studio Miniatures and Hasslefree and use one of the many modern skirmish/zombie apocalypse rule sets out there to get your friends started if you wanted.
Not a huge fan of the Studio ones, I got their plastic zeds which are nice, but that's it. Maybe I need to see them in person to get a better idea of what they look like. I am actually interested in the rules, as I enjoy Zombicide, but am not interested in using it as a miniatures game beyond the boardgame itself. I haven't really found a zombie ruleset I like, either. Ordinarily, I am all for the "use whatever miniatures you want and find a good ruleset that you like" DIY approach, but I am already doing that for too many periods as it is...laziness wins out here. :D
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The Studio Walking Dead Charakter minis are good, only problem - they are too small.
Too small compared to Zcide that is... ;)
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The Studio Walking Dead Charakter minis are good, only problem - they are too small.
Too small compared to Zcide that is... ;)
I don't think scale would bother me too much unless they are so small to the point of being true 25mm.
The ones I'd be most tempted by is their not-Rick and not-Darrell as they're based on the show/not in the comic (in Darrell's case).
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I have the Studio stuff and I vastly prefer them over the Zombicide minis. The Zombicide stuff is just too much of a pain to clean up... Cant be bothered.
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I have the Studio stuff and I vastly prefer them over the Zombicide minis. The Zombicide stuff is just too much of a pain to clean up... Cant be bothered.
Yeah, this is why I'm just keeping the miniatures from Z-cide unpainted and contained. Plus I have enough to paint as-is. :D
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Should any need an RV give me a shout... ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/tV4cjUO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DPusp6t.jpg)
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Should any need an RV give me a shout... ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/tV4cjUO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DPusp6t.jpg)
You sell those? Got a link to post or send to me?
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Sure, I've had that one in my humble line for a couple of years now, sold a fair few. Well you can just PM me via here and I'll knock 10% off for you, or via ebay: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=86994.msg1072151#msg1072151 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=86994.msg1072151#msg1072151) or via my not-too-good website: https://slugindustries.wordpress.com/
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Mantic have posted up a rules overview on their blog (https://manticblog.com/2016/02/08/15209/)
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Draft rules are posted:
https://www.manticdigital.com/product/the-walking-dead-all-out-war-playtest-rules/
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Looking forward to the game. The rules look like fun and I am a fan of the comics.
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My biggest issue with the rules right now is lack of decent terrain rules for a skirmish game in an urban setting. Figures can't climb over cars. No rules for going into buildings. This just seems wrong to me.
Mantic has said they may try to put in some rules for buildings, but I suspect it will be an afterthought.
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Nope, not an afterthought - the plan was always to start small and simple, and gradually build up the complexity as the expansions come out. I think the Kickstarter has been so successful that Mantic are pushing for those expansions a bit earlier than anticipated - if only I had more hours in the day o_o
Scenery follows that same approach. I'm testing some generic scenery rules now so that players can use whatever they have in their collections on release, and then when I get to work on the later expansions (such as the Prison), where scenery is much more integral, an specialised, I'll explore further options.
Hope that allays some of your fears!
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Hope that allays some of your fears!
It is following the exact same path as Dungeon Saga.
Too much is being pulled in that some of it will get dropped after the KS, some will be re-formatted, some will turn out never meant to have been included and what is produced will be poorly edited/proofread and tested.
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Nope, not an afterthought - the plan was always to start small and simple, and gradually build up the complexity as the expansions come out. I think the Kickstarter has been so successful that Mantic are pushing for those expansions a bit earlier than anticipated - if only I had more hours in the day o_o
No, fears not allayed. You can't have a modern skirmish game starting in Atlanta and not take buildings into account from the get go. And if your design starts with characters not even able to climb on top of cars in modern skirmish set in a Zombie Apocalypse, you're likely starting in the wrong place.
Cleary, that is just my opinion.
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I fear this thread is now a little too salty for my tastes. However, for those interested in the game, there are two excellent videos up over at Beasts of War now:
Gameplay vid:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-walking-dead-all-out-war/lets-play-mantics-walking-dead/
Interview segment on the Weekender (and also a nice tribute to the late Wayne England, so doubly worth a watch):
http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-weekender/fanhunter-wolsung-rules-walking-dead/
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I did a game with the beta rules against my son, apart from the normal checking and double checking the rule book (as normal during first times i play a game) it ran smooth and we had an absolute blast!!!
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I fear this thread is now a little too salty for my tastes. However, for those interested in the game, there are two excellent videos up over at Beasts of War now:
Gameplay vid:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-walking-dead-all-out-war/lets-play-mantics-walking-dead/
Interview segment on the Weekender (and also a nice tribute to the late Wayne England, so doubly worth a watch):
http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-weekender/fanhunter-wolsung-rules-walking-dead/
Ha, yeah, I'm right there with ya. Thanks for the links though. :)
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Agree with previous sentiments that this thread is getting salty. Apparently an ongoing trend but the less said about that here the better.
From the majority of stuff I have read, this is clearly intended as a gateway game into 'wargaming'. The starter box has a low RRP and is essentially a set of quick play rules for a Walking Dead based grab the loot game. I don't see this being a problem. All to often people equate simple to bad. We all know, or at least should be able to find on this board alone, multiple gang based games with rules for zombies if you want to scratch that itch in a different way.
I like the rules that Ive read. I can knock together some scenery and some figures and get a few games completed in an evening. For me the KS looks like a good chance to get lots of Walking Dead figures and gubbins which no doubt others will say is made of terrible material and not worth it. Fair play, don't back it then.
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From the majority of stuff I have read, this is clearly intended as a gateway game into 'wargaming'. The starter box has a low RRP and is essentially a set of quick play rules for a Walking Dead based grab the loot game. I don't see this being a problem. All to often people equate simple to bad. We all know, or at least should be able to find on this board alone, multiple gang based games with rules for zombies if you want to scratch that itch in a different way.
That's exactly why I'm interested. Yes, I'm a Walking Dead fan and yes, I'd have been interested if I did have a stable regular gaming group. But I do not, just some friends who like board games and nerdy stuff and could potentially be brought into the wargaming fold. They like the Walking Dead as well, so it's a natural move. I think the "DIY" approach that is so comfortable and normal to most (all?) of us here on LAF takes some time to wrap your head around and get used to for people coming in from a GW-only or even boardgames-only experience. So it will be nice to have a contained system with a familiar setting to bring people in with. :)
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That's exactly why I'm interested. Yes, I'm a Walking Dead fan and yes, I'd have been interested if I did have a stable regular gaming group. But I do not, just some friends who like board games and nerdy stuff and could potentially be brought into the wargaming fold. They like the Walking Dead as well, so it's a natural move. I think the "DIY" approach that is so comfortable and normal to most (all?) of us here on LAF takes some time to wrap your head around and get used to for people coming in from a GW-only or even boardgames-only experience. So it will be nice to have a contained system with a familiar setting to bring people in with. :)
I tried and failed to get my friends involved in LOTRs SBG and Warhammer. They are mid-to-hardcore "boardgamers" and love TWD so this might work.
I'm backing it. My only gripe was the Mantic CEO stated there'd only limited pledge levels and no add-ons. A naysayer stated Mantic would buckle to the pressure and change that...now there are add-ons. Ie. Prison expansion. Hopefully, thats the only add on I "require". Quite a bit of negativity towards Mantic so hopefully this one works out.
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I backed a couple previous kickstarters from mantic and i never had a problem.
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I tried the game as a quick solo yesterday. The rules seemed to work well and I suspect it might work as an entry level game.
Really looking forward to getting the finished product. :)
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I haven't done many kickstarters before - how do add ons work? Do I up my pledge now? Or at end-of-kickstarter time is there just a checkbox add on at checkout? That's how CMON did it with Zombicide Black Plague but I don't know if that's the norm for KS or not.
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You can add the money to your pledge now, or wait until they open the pledge manager after the funding period. In either case you will select your add ons in the pledge manager.
If you add the $$$ to your current pledge it goes towards unlocking stretch goals. If you wait and add them in the pledge manager it does not. Of course, if you add them in now KS takes a cut of it, if you add it in with the pledge manager Mantic keeps more.
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You can add the money to your pledge now, or wait until they open the pledge manager after the funding period. In either case you will select your add ons in the pledge manager.
If you add the $$$ to your current pledge it goes towards unlocking stretch goals. If you wait and add them in the pledge manager it does not. Of course, if you add them in now KS takes a cut of it, if you add it in with the pledge manager Mantic keeps more.
Great explanation, thank you. :)
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Six days to go, and I'm still undecided about whether or not to back it o_o
I nearly did this morning when I read that they've added a Woodbury expansion. However, when I found out it was an extra $40, I changed my mind :(
I suspect I'll sit it out and pick up the bits I want at retail, but there are still six days to go, so plenty of time to change my mind several times ;D
Who here has backed? Not looking to start up any mini flame wars or anything like that, just curious.
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I originally backed as an early bird, but cancelled when I discovered the figures were going to be PVC...
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No ks for me anymore(mantic is ok but...no)
Preordered project z
Hard Plastic....
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I'm sitting on an early bird pledge. When you realize you need to add $80 to get the two big expansions included, and pay some as yet undetermined amount for shipping it starts to lose its luster.
It also seems Mantic is making the equipment cards sort of 'collectable' in that if you don't buy a certain expansion, some things (like assault rifles) won't be available to you. I'm not a big fan of having to buy expansions for stuff like that. I know it is a successful business model for some games/companies, but when tied to Mantic and to this IP, I'm just much less than impressed. A skirmish game (which this is) should not have the winner decided by who had the $$$ to fork out for an expensive add on so they could field better weapons.
Additionally, I asked pretty early how the game scales up. With 'get X loot counters!' as an objective, and a 'threat scale' that goes up, playing it on a bigger board may not work too well. Between movement rates and weapon ranges I'm not convinced they have thought this out very well, though they seem to claim it as a selling point. Playing on a 4ft x 4ft table instead of a 20inch x 20inch paper mat may not work if you can't move very far before the threat level ends the game.
We'll see. I am a sucker for zombie games, and like The Walking Dead.
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As much as I like the property, I just can't bring myself to plunk money down for this one.
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To anybody who wants to hop aboard, it's the final weekend of the kickstartere at the moment! :D
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Does anybody know if the Walking Dead figures will be available separately ?.
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Not really no. Some of them will be in smaller expansion boosters, but only specific ones like Michone. The miniatures that are in sets stay in those sets. They have pointed out only a few that will be part of smaller booster expansions later.
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Bit of a shame that, thanks for the info Wellender.
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I'm kinda on the fence here and Warlord's game. The WL game seems more 'open ended' story wise, and at 1-3 players I assume the zeds can be system controlled and perhaps player controlled. My other thing is, between my full Studio set and other leads, I have a TON of Zombies....not to mention my plastics. I think I would like the Mantic game more if it wasnt tied to specific minis.
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I'd just like to see the Walking Dead characters and the plastic terrain bits available separately. I too need more zombies like a hole in the head.
I like the Warlord minis (especially the Bikers) but the lack of rules info is a bit of a worry.
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I like the Warlord minis (especially the Bikers) but the lack of rules info is a bit of a worry.
Hear hear
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It isn't. There is a create your own survivor feature for it. The rules are already available for download. Not sure if that part is in there tough.
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Almost in the last 24h and the campaign has fot a real momentum picked up the last couple of days. Great to see!
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I pulled the trigger :D. The only thing I didnt get was the added map mats, I'd rather make my own from what I have already
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I have no willpower and am also in. The girlfriend loves TWD so this one might get played more often, although I suspect she will still choose Zombicide over it due to the cooperative nature of that one. Might end up as a solo game for me...
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I pulled the trigger :D. The only thing I didnt get was the added map mats, I'd rather make my own from what I have already
I knew I could count on you! Welcome aboard!!!
5,5h remaining, gonna be a hectic ride, the last couple of hours. Currently working toward Negan, with more on the horizon!
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I won't lie, I pledged very quickly and then felt a bit unsure of it. My pledge looks a lot better now that the sheer amount of stretch goals are added in. I'm in for both of the major add ons and they've even padded those pretty well.
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I won't lie, I pledged very quickly and then felt a bit unsure of it. My pledge looks a lot better now that the sheer amount of stretch goals are added in. I'm in for both of the major add ons and they've even padded those pretty well.
Yup, me to. Something to fear + Prison + Woodbury. To get all gaming content. Still not sure I will get one or both mat-add-on's. I will make a custom demo table for this.
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I knew I could count on you! Welcome aboard!!!
5,5h remaining, gonna be a hectic ride, the last couple of hours. Currently working toward Negan, with more on the horizon!
:) We'll have to get all our zombie toys together soon. Ever played 7ombieTV?
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:) We'll have to get all our zombie toys together soon. Ever played 7ombieTV?
Nope i haven't. Where do you live at the moment? Russia?
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Yup, me to. Something to fear + Prison + Woodbury. To get all gaming content. Still not sure I will get one or both mat-add-on's. I will make a custom demo table for this.
The mats didn't really hold much appeal to me. I thought about the walker pledges, purely for the card/game content components, but I already have a good number of suitable zombie figures so in the end I passed on them and settled for just the two expansion add ons.
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Same as I. Just the large pledge and two add on boxes. That stuff alone will end up being over $300 CAD after we get dinged with shipping and exchange... :(
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Same as I. Just the large pledge and two add on boxes. That stuff alone will end up being over $300 CAD after we get dinged with shipping and exchange... :(
Man, I feel for you Canadians right now with that dollar of your's. :( I've pulled the trigger on some UK purchases recently because the exchange rate has been decent, unfortunately I did my big buying spree some months ago when it was less favorable. ::)
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I decided against it. Looking at the prices on Mars Attacks currently there's a good chance that by the time this turns up lots of pledgers will change their minds and I can pick up the scenery and characters I want at a better price.
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I decided against it. Looking at the prices on Mars Attacks currently there's a good chance that by the time this turns up lots of pledgers will change their minds and I can pick up the scenery and characters I want at a better price.
Smart man, I should have done the same.
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Smart man
Poor man. ;)