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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: painterman on January 27, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
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As some may know, I’m building a 28mm Burgundian army of Charles the Bold (links to my blog are below). My next planned unit is mounted men at arms for Antony, the Bastard of Burgundy, a commander of the army. I want represent this elite unit on barded mounts. I’ll use the Perry plastic mounted men at arms box and have been searching for visual references of horse bard for the period 1450-1480, with intention of using ‘green stuff’ to make some amour variations for the horses.
So far I’ve found surprisingly few contemporary references, in either extant pieces or images of the time, which leads me to ask where is all the horse bard of the later 15th century?
Starting with museums, we have a few complete horse bards:
- Wallace Collection: Gothic armour c 1480 (A21)
- Royal Armouries: Gothic armour c 1480
- German History Museum, Berlin: c 1470 (W1052)
- Italian bard, Vienna, 1450
- Some crinnets, crupper plates & shaffrons of later 15th century in the Met, NYC.
The Perrys have used two of these as references for the optional plastic bard in their box set.
It’s to be expected of course, that not much horse armour will still survive over 500 years after its use. Only a small fraction of all medieval armour remains today. So I started to look for references in contemporary illustration images of kings, knights, saints and classical tales – all places where we get useful information on armour and dress. However to date I’ve found much fewer examples than I was expecting. I have:
- Berne Chronicles (Swiss 1480s): showing many Burgundian men at arms and leaders at battles of Grandson and Morat on barded mounts. This is the most useful and pertinent evidence for me.
- Pastrana Tapestry (Spain c 1460): shows highest ranking person riding horse with cloth covering, probably over armour, by its shape and composition.
- Florentine caskets (Italian 1460s), Gallery of Ireland: shows most men at arms in battle with mounts with caparison over bard.
- French and Flemish imagery – seems to show mail protection for horses (both under caparisons, or without) for the period circa1400-1430.
So despite the Met Museum’s publication on ‘The Armoured Horse in Europe 1480-1620’, stating that in the later fifteenth century horse armour was fully developed, and widely used, the imagery doesn’t seem to reflect this at all. Nearly all mounted knights, kings, saints and soldiers ride unprotected horses (apart from a few with only shaffrons).
If the contemporary illustrations reflect reality on the battlefield (I’m ignoring jousting armour), then why was this? Was it that horse armour was too expensive – clearly it was a high cost, as personal harness was. Perhaps it wasn’t required? Unless the enemy had large numbers of missile weapons it reduced one of the advantages of being on a horse – namely movement and speed? We know that the French employed Italians with horse armour for the Verneuil campaign of 1424, to combat the massed English longbows, and maybe the same needs existing in Italy?
Its in the 16th century that horse barding remains in museum collections in some quantities, as well as in illustrations of the period. So was it widespread use of gunpowder, which was the tipping pint for horse bard and that its use in the fifteenth century was limited?
So a LAF request please – please search and post here the images for horse bard in 1450 to 1480. The Bastard’s contingent is ready for some horse bard conversions…
All comments & observations are most welcome too (I may just have the wrong end of the stick on this one).
Thanks in advance.
Simon.
http://je-lay-emprins.blogspot.co.uk/
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Well, it's almost entirely obscure to be deemed useless but the (rather large) doors of Tewkesbury Abbey are supposedly covered / lined in re-fashioned horse armour from the battle. - Have you thought of attaching doors to the horses ?
I'll erm, get my coat.
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lol
Well... I suppose the question "What was horse-barding for?" might point things in the right direction, by which I mean does it protect from missile weapons, other mounted men, or men on foot?
If the former two then the absence of massed missile troops and massed men at arms might make it somewhat redundant. I seem to recall Duke Charles suggesting it was a good idea to have it in one of his ordonnances, but he didn't make it a requirement... so I'm tempted to say it was something he thought there should be more of, which implies it was not common.
I've been scouring Swiss-Burgundian and Froissart illustrations very recently and I can't recall having seen any horse armour at all... apart from the occasional chanfron... except;
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HL0bhf_Zca0/VBq7ZCNVHtI/AAAAAAAATIs/0Ll_BAlT39I/s500-Ic42/Waroftheroses.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XOtRHl8RCJw/VAMr82iGNzI/AAAAAAAAS8s/QBaQFPe4gw8/s912-Ic42/1.png)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vp_9maDVAv0/Uu7DHPFIb7I/AAAAAAAARCY/5_xq4j-rP9E/s512-Ic42/Schilling_murten_bern.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5hH-kmxuSxE/VqlX7RcDHsI/AAAAAAAAWKs/uGfBGhcFJ-8/s512-Ic42/6468564025_a00874263d_b.jpg)
The last is taken from a tapestry presented to Jean de Daillon by the ladies of Tournai in 1482 (iirc) and represents himself while commanding an ordonnance company garrisoned in Tournai. He's at the top of the heap as far as France's army went at the time.
So that's four out of hundreds of images c. 1480, that show horse armour of any kind.
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Thanks Jim
Had not seen the Italian image before so very useful. I think the first image is out of my timeframe (but showing Burgundians), so it appears that my assumptions on potential scarcity of bard on the battlefield maybe true??
Would still like to find more to use for modelling reference however.
Regards
Simon
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Happy to chip in Simon... :)
The first one is a depiction of Montlhery (1465)... but I think it was produced later, like the one of Morat two below it... so close but possibly no cigar. I fear the search for horse armour circa Charles the Bold might be a fruitless one, but fingers crossed any way.
I'd forgotten Louis de Gruutehuse's book, with its woodcuts of Burgundian troops c.1476 by 'WA', where not one of the men at arms has barding. Louis was a Burgundian military leader, so you would imagine he might have pointed out the error if it was actually common.
Obviously none of these are photographs, but they are all we have to go on. My perception is that if it's seen, it's invariably on the mount of someone important (and wealthy) and anywhere but NW Europe.
This image is apparently from one of Antoine de Bourgogne's own books and depicts Charles VI and friends. It's believed to be c.1476, so is spot on really... but no barding, even on the King's mount.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-drHRlbhqES4/VqpPzRMqHxI/AAAAAAAAWLs/RHT0KwqIHfQ/s512-Ic42/Folie_Charles_VI_for%2525C3%2525AAt_du_Mans.jpg)
If I do find anything though, I'll be in touch.
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Are these pictures from the Amtliche Berner Chronik, volume III (1478-1483) useful?
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z454/joerinator/599_zpsmrxqyjns.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/joerinator/media/599_zpsmrxqyjns.jpg.html)
Burgundian army marching in Savoy, 1476
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z454/joerinator/330_zpsbt4khncx.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/joerinator/media/330_zpsbt4khncx.jpg.html)
A Lotharingian city is taken, 1475
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z454/joerinator/846_zps30ypf1ai.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/joerinator/media/846_zps30ypf1ai.jpg.html)
Battle of Nancy, 1477
A couple more here: photobucket album (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/joerinator/library/)
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Many thanks Jericho,
They are the best ones - most relevant and high quality - for my Burgundians and at present I shall be using those I think (they're the Berne Chronicle ones I cited and always great to see them, so many thanks.)
I doubt if I have any chance of sculpting anything close to those heads though!!!
Simon.
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It shouldn't be too hard to sculpt a face that looks like a horse's... anyhoo good find Jericho! I was beginning to think there was nothing out there.
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On the Berne Chronicle images, does the panel think that the artist is representing paint or fabric for the colours on the steel bard?
I guess that other references (Italian and Spanish) would suggest cloth coverings, although it appears that it could appear to be paint and gilding?
Simon.
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I like this little gem I found....
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/7000234_zpsglbukubw.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/7000234_zpsglbukubw.jpg.html)
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The Italian history museums are chock full of displayed knights on barded horses! Florence, Milan and Pisa are some of the museums I've been to and have seen some! Also Venice as my GF prods my memory!! Just google Italian museums and knights or Renaissance armor and you should get lots of pics! Hope this helps. :D
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I really know nothing about armour, so what follows is very much a case of an impression given than actual knowledge.
Some bards appear to be be obviously plain steel with gilted ornamentation. The coloured ones could be fabric (or coloured leather?) over armour and I do know there was a French fashion for velvet or other material on the upper chest area of the armour of the men at arms around this time too. Paint with a lacquer coat sounds hardwearing enough and could of course be polished (or possibly waxed) to produce a shine.
I do wonder if that very ornate red and gold barding was more 'parade' than battle armour though.
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In my oppinion. Barding is really only for parade/tournaments and even then only for the really high up people. I think the illustraions pretty much shows this as well.
I know that the barding is not just protecting the horse, but also the rider to some extend as it is not nice to be on a horse that takes a tumble. But I think that it would most likely be cheaper to buy a new warhorse that to buy armour for it. Ultimately I think its function is to show status and weath.
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It would be a lucky shot that killed a horse stone dead especially if there is a chanfron fitted, which seems fairly common on illustrations. More likely is that it would become quite apparent that the horse was failing before it bit the dust, so there would probably be time to dismount swiftly but safely and whistle up the page with the spare horse(s). You'd be kicking your heels until the guys pulled back to reform, but you would be back in the fight soon enough.
Horse prices versus barding prices is a consideration though. I'm working off the top of my head, but I recall prices of something like £300 for a proper 'warhorse' (destrier), while a decent courser was in the region of £40-50, although could be as low as £20 for one acceptable for service. An archer's rouncey could be considerably cheaper (<£10?). I recall that there were often 'minimum values' set for horses that would be acceptable in service and in some cases men were compensated for the loss of mounts too.
The cost of barding I couldn't begin to guess at, but if the rider is fully harnessed, perhaps the addition of barding was too much weight and caused excessive fatigue on the mount? Personally I would prefer my mount to get me there and back again, rather than be blown when I need to retire swiftly after the charge.
If the wealthier guys have more expensive but sturdier horses, maybe this corresponds with the utility of their being able to bear the extra weight?
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Glad to be of assistance, guys 8)
I don't know if you know where I got the pictures from but for those who don't:
http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en (http://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en)
It is a digital library of many Swiss libraries and collections.
Most are only written books without any artwork, others prayerbooks, some are illustrated bible-esque books and then of course you have the Chroniks.
While it has an English interface, still a lot is in German but you can make out many of the words.
Just type "Chronik" in the search bar and you get the books that are most useful to us.
Each book in the list will have three blue buttons: overview, facsimile and description.
Description is the best one to push, this gives a list of links to the images along with an explanation of each illustration.
It contains the Amtliche Berner Chronik volume I, II and III (volume III contains the Burgundian Wars), and the Spiezer Chronik by Diebold Schilling.
Another one is Diebold Schilling of Lucerne (no relation) with his Illustrated Chronicle (1513), also containing the Burgundian War and much more beautiful artwork than his predecessor, although his work might be too renaissance to be an actual depiction of the 1470's.
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Here are some surreptitious pictures from the armoury at the Royal Palace in Madrid with a Burgundian feel (the last one in particular) - the signs said no flash photography but the guard was insistent that it was no photograpy. Sadly there are not many books on the Madrid armoury either, but I have one so if I can find it and scan any relevant images in.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12647069_10154539968679535_3303337115398173893_n.jpg?oh=dddbe50651c799b880887168403cf0f7&oe=5738C8C4)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/12633641_10154539968809535_4610224592926533941_o.jpg)
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xal1/t31.0-8/12628613_10154539969039535_8210372051261996637_o.jpg)
regards
Grant
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The Burgundian influence in Spain begins from the 1490s after Philippe the Handsome's marriage to Juana la loca, which resulted in a 'Burgundian invasion of Spain' when Philipe and his court moved there.
The Spanish obviously did use barding before that though... but like everywhere else it seems few and far between in illustrations.
Great photos though Grant, I've put that place on my 'to go to' list. :)
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Don't know how helpful this will be, but here's me meagre contribution...
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(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2133/2044058722_8ea4e3bc51_b.jpg)
This is from 1510, but stylistically similar:
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1471/24213048141_b32c5774ed_b.jpg)
Horse armour:
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3773/20038354899_cb51dd8043_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wwHNMz)Gothic knight (https://flic.kr/p/wwHNMz) by Artem (https://www.flickr.com/photos/aatemu/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/285/20198742186_8ba91f80ff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wLTQkC)Gothic knight (https://flic.kr/p/wLTQkC) by Artem (https://www.flickr.com/photos/aatemu/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3817/19173665224_1dbb26c93a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vdj3EU)Gothic harness for man and horse (https://flic.kr/p/vdj3EU) by Artem (https://www.flickr.com/photos/aatemu/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/426/19788946102_73b8a1b0ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/w9FweU)Gothic harness for man and horse (https://flic.kr/p/w9FweU) by Artem (https://www.flickr.com/photos/aatemu/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/426/19788946102_73b8a1b0ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/w9FweU)Gothic harness for man and horse (https://flic.kr/p/w9FweU) by Artem (https://www.flickr.com/photos/aatemu/), on Flickr
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Many thanks to all the latest contributors - all gratefully received and adding to the picture of barding.
My current thinking remains that's its relatively rare and most likely to be the apparel of the social elite (so OK for my Bastard of Burgundian group!).
Jericho - finding the Swiss chronicles online last year (as i did) was a big wow factor for my collections - having scratched around for years to find the odd image. Awaiting for the Tschachtlan 1470 Chronicle of Berne (now in Zurich Library) to be added sometime (hopefully), as this appears very useful too for the Swiss and images are hard to find.
Tadportly - now need to find some detailed images from Madrid gallery.
Artem - many thanks for those too. I now have a real sculpting challenge with the painted image!
Thanks, Simon.
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Stuart, on the off-chance that you have never come across this, or for anyone that's interested, George Lemberger's painting of the Battle of the Spurs is here (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Georg_Lemberger,_Battle_of_Guinegate_(1513),_Triumphzug_Kaiser_Maximilians.jpg) in quite a large definition.
What I found interesting was that the rear ranks of the men at arms (i.e. what I expect to be custrells or coustilier) seem to be holding polearms rather than lances. Pretty much all the troop types you'd expect to see are there, including a fighting mounted crossbowman in the centre.
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Thanks Jim :)
I'm going to eat my own words now - most of the paintings in that series follow a standard format of battle depiction. In this instance it's curious in the absence of longbowmen as well as a rather furious prominent pike fight - which didn't happen. The flags are always the same and generally in the same location but they are consistent with other artists for the illustration of Landsknechts, artillery and cavalry with nice little extras as you've pointed out.
In saying that 2 other images of the siege of Therouanne and the battle of the spurs are like comic strips showing the Anglo imperial camp, siege lines and the cavalry engagement. There are noted sallies of French pike from the city so perhaps that what this is also doing?
This one is curious in its difference to the others, notably that Therouanne is purely representational whereas the others do all look similar. It leads me to conclude that this was created by dictation or a description.
Who knows, they are all lovely though and thanks again.
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I did wonder at the lack of English standards, as opposed to Imperial ones. I imagine it's great for French and Imperial troops all the same... no marks for the artist for not knowing the English looked different.
:)
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This is another Imperial depiction from a book of Maximilian's life / achievements; Der Weiss Konig. It's reasonably accurate, Maximilian advised Henry to place light guns and longbows on a ridge overlooking where the French were expected.
The dress of the longbowmen is accurate too though they still have a slightly Germanic feel to them.
It's things like this which make me wonder how far back the tradition of the wartime artist went?
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To be fair to Lemberger he was in Landshut and then Regensburg in Bavaria if the painting was done before 1520... about as far from Thérouanne as you can get and still be in the Empire.
I imagine very few artists actually saw a battle, but at least the Flemish and Picards could watch the troops pass by. :)
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For a woodcut it's very nicely detailed, the archers sallets are a nice touch.
Paul Dolstein and a couple of others that escape my mind saw service though yep they were in the minority, then there are a couple of very detailed images like this though to be fair Durer is in a class quite apart from the others.
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Hi Stuart, there seem to be very few photos online and the only book is "Armeria del Palacio Real de Madrid" by Guillermo Quintana Lacaci which is out of print (but easily obtainable), but sadly there are few illustrations:
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(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12651024_10154561388504535_4649243487452576848_n.jpg?oh=d16ff8d16e3dd349a1ad54da15e27c41&oe=57373FC0)
The Wallace collection book has a couple of period illustrations:
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regards
Grant
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Apologies Simon, I've inserted a renaissance matinee into your topic, I got carried away talking to Jim. I hate it when people talk during a film ::)
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I'm sure he'll be fine with it, after all a Renaissance army is what his Burgundians want to be when they grow up. :D
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Quite excited about this one!
Italian source - assumed to be last quarter of 15th century- but unconfirmed at present.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/a359e0968b3f5ad9212029aa9b952fa4_zpshrpu5boj.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/a359e0968b3f5ad9212029aa9b952fa4_zpshrpu5boj.jpg.html)
Simon.
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Nice find, I like the plumes
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Some bards appear to be be obviously plain steel with gilted ornamentation. The coloured ones could be fabric (or coloured leather?) over armour
The Regesta Imperii contain a list of equipment that Maximilian ordered around 1504 for one of his campaigns, and it includes 100 sets of horse barding from buffalo leather (Büffelleder, bardae de bufalo) ordered in Milano ( in addition to some 50 sets of armour) and 20 sets from Linz, at a cost of 10fl per barding. Not sure what animal this "buffalo"-leather is exactly made from, though - it could be just a name for a specific treatment.
http://www.regesta-imperii.de/regesten/suche/result/nr/1504-02-28_4_0_14_4_0_2572_18296.html?tx_hisodat_sources[searchMode]=10&cHash=581b3083fbb83571ceaabd2b1662fe67#rinav
http://www.regesta-imperii.de/regesten/suche/result/nr/1504-03-30_6_0_14_4_0_2757_18481.html?tx_hisodat_sources[searchMode]=10&cHash=0b28cf7661cfc553532114b661f1d151#rinav
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Some WIP attempts at wielding the Green Stuff and creating bard for my Burgundians, using some of the visual references I found.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_0323_zpsemzmfgqr.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_0323_zpsemzmfgqr.jpg.html)
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_0326_zpseh2fxekl.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_0326_zpseh2fxekl.jpg.html)
more in progress and bit more on the blog.
Thanks, Simon.
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Nice work. Is that the leather (or "buffalo") barding mentioned earlier?
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Some WIP attempts at wielding the Green Stuff and creating bard for my Burgundians, using some of the visual references I found.
Someone is becoming very good at this 'Green Stuff' thing. :)
The Regesta Imperii contain a list of equipment that Maximilian ordered around 1504 for one of his campaigns, and it includes 100 sets of horse barding from buffalo leather (Büffelleder, bardae de bufalo) ordered in Milano ( in addition to some 50 sets of armour) and 20 sets from Linz, at a cost of 10fl per barding. Not sure what animal this "buffalo"-leather is exactly made from, though - it could be just a name for a specific treatment.
I would presume, like Buffalo Mozzarella, it was made from Italian Buffalos (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufalo_mediterraneo_italiano). ;)
That aside, that is a great piece of information you presented. Thanks! :)
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Hi Codsticker
The plan is for all the bard on these mounts to be steel armour - perhaps with plenty of gilding, to reflect their high status.
Cheers, Simon.
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I read online that the Gendarmes for Phillip the Whatever number. in his Italian campaign had enough horse barded knights to only fill the front rank of his Gendarmes de Elite in the Italian wars.
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Hello Simon,
Pintrest has some interesting images of horse barding, you just have to sign in.
https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=horse%20burgundian&rs=remove&term_meta[]=horse%7Ctyped&term_meta[]=burgundian%7Ctyped&remove_refine=barding%7Ctyped
One of those images lead me to these:
http://book-graphics.blogspot.ca/2014/02/louis-xi-aquarelles-de-job.html
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/522628731740222852/
Bethsabee tapestry:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7323/11641681223_c8763a3b08_z.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/522628731739847277/
I used the Front Rank WOR figures for my Burgundians, some of the knights have horse barding.
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Thanks Wrgmr1
I use Pintrest too and collate a number of boards there myself.
I'm trying to use only references which I can date with certainty for the later 15th century - for my Charles the Bold army - so the images you've referenced are too late for me I'm afraid. It does seem to reinforce my assumption that horse bard, with steel plates, comes into use from c1500 - based on remaining pieces and imagery - I believe linked to an increase in gunpowder weapons and so need to protect mounts for the upper classes at war.
Cheers, Simon.
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I very much doubt if gendarmes expected their barding to be proof against even early firearms. The cost and additional weight would be ruinous on the finances and the stamina of the horses. If there is an increase in the use of plate steel bard after 1500 it is likely to be due to improvements in the manufacturing process and design of the armours that allowed them to replace cloth, mail and composite horse barding.
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Adam - I agree that developments in the manufacturing process for large sheets of steel helped, but of they were too expensive or too heavy for the horses, then they'd not have existed? The introduction of bard appears to follow a period of circa 1425 - 1495, where the horses are unarmoured, apart from chamfron and crinnet, so it's not a lateral development of replacing mail/cloth - these appears redundant by c 1425, based on all images and remaining pieces IMHO.
Anyway, we can continue to discuss and speculate, it's fun.
In meantime, heres the completed conversions for my next Burgundian men at arms unit - this are my best efforts with the Kneadatite.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_0330_zpsv7m5us4c.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_0330_zpsv7m5us4c.jpg.html)
More pics are on my blog: http://je-lay-emprins.blogspot.co.uk/
Cheers, Simon.
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It's a great project, I'm looking forward to seeing how this unit comes out as it seems it's going to be your show stopper unit. Will you be using that mounted knight you got from me in this unit?
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Oliver
That mounted knight is in there - saved him for this unit!! (...and many thanks).
In the picture he's inconveniently obscured by plumes on the horse - have a look at the blog and you should find him (with added plumes - I took the big risk of drilling a hole into your handiwork!)
All the best, Simon
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Threads like this are very bad for me ;)
I try to focus on my Late Romans and everytime I keep getting sucked back to the Swiss-Burgundian Wars...
Can't wait to see this finished. I need the inspiration for my own household gendarmes.
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Those look great Simon!
I found this today, it has some Burgundian illustrations in the 15th century section.
http://www.warfare.altervista.org/index.htm
Cheers,
Thomas
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Anthony of Burgundy - one of the converted figures with horse bard.
The other chaps in his contingent are coming along too...
Pics to follow when they're all done.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_0348_zpsly7mom79.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_0348_zpsly7mom79.jpg.html)
Cheers
Simon.
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Excellent :-*
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stunning indeed :-* :-* :-*
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Looks brilliant!
Steve