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Miniatures Adventure => SuperHero Adventures => Topic started by: flags_of_war on February 03, 2016, 02:00:30 PM
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New Kick starter has just just launched. Figures are ok imo. Ill buy them as if it has a ninja turtle on it im in lol
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/idwgames/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-shadows-of-the-past-b?ref=category_newest
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Sort of surprising it went to Kickstarter. I don't think IDW has any crowdfunding experience...so I'll need to have a close look at this before I decide if I'm going to put money into it.
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Ive backed it for now but i think they will need to offer more to get more buy in. $60 for 4 extra exclusive sculpts is a little but much.
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Where's my Ninjara? :(
And does anyone have any idea about the scale of the minis?
I saw someone here on LAF do nicer-looking turtles already and ninjas are plentiful which, when combined with the below, are giving me mixed feelings about this because much as I like Shredder, backing for that mini alone isn't really worth that much money (and he's lacking a cloak anyway despite it being on his card art?).
Sort of surprising it went to Kickstarter. I don't think IDW has any crowdfunding experience...so I'll need to have a close look at this before I decide if I'm going to put money into it.
They do claim it's their 3rd Kickstarter and their profile backs that, though the comments in the two earlier ones seem to indicate several late pledge fulfilments despite their claim of "we have delivered every time with our last project delivering roughly one month ahead of schedule" though in fairness that might refer to the majority of the pledges, I suppose.
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Now even the Turtles need to take the KS route?! Can't companies directly release games anymore?
Oi..
I'll wait for the TMNT Heroclix to launch or for this game to hit retail to add them to my Mini World.
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I pledged just to get the ongoing updates, but am reserving the right to drop my pledge if things don't sweeten substantially before the campaign closes. I already have my own turtles and splinter. I painted up a Pulp City guy to look like a decent Casey. If the clix sculpts are decent enough those might be good options too.
The board game could be fun, but I'm more likely to use the figures for other stuff, so we'll see.
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I agree. I have a tentative pledge, but need to be impressed to keep it at this point.
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I pledged just to get the ongoing updates, but am reserving the right to drop my pledge if things don't sweeten substantially before the campaign closes.
Exactly this. The price of entry is pretty steep, not to mention as-yet-unknown global shipping costs. Better be some sweet stretch goals!
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New Kick starter has just just launched. Figures are ok imo. Ill buy them as if it has a ninja turtle on it im in lol
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/idwgames/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-shadows-of-the-past-b?ref=category_newest
Kind of surprising too considering that Wizkids is also putting out some Turtle clix next month too.
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Different license I think. One is for a board game (which includes miniatures), the other is for collectable gaming figures. Not much difference to us, but from a licensing agreement standpoint I imagine they get treated quite differently.
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KEvin Wilson made some great games in the past, and the miniature look decent. I think the map tiles look a little bit too bland, just some generic city streets. They could have experimented a bit more, surely there are more interesting locales for the Turtles to fight in? :)
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Given I have a set of turtles already, I think I'll wait for the clix.
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Given I have a set of turtles already, I think I'll wait for the clix.
Im starting to think the same. Everything the freebies they have given is a for the standard pledge so still not seeing the benefit of $60 for 4 figures. The sculpts could be way better imo. For me the previews of the HeroClix are better.
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Wow--this could have been done so much better. Lousy artwork for the "sewer" tiles. (They don't look like sewers to me!), only a single foot sculpt, way too expensive to get the Eastman sculpts. Seems very incoherent. Missed opportunity in my opinion. Wonder if the game is even any good?
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Wow--this could have been done so much better. Lousy artwork for the "sewer" tiles. (They don't look like sewers to me!), only a single foot sculpt, way too expensive to get the Eastman sculpts. Seems very incoherent. Missed opportunity in my opinion. Wonder if the game is even any good?
Well we will find out on Monday. Seems strange to launch and no that you need this and not have it. :/
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The last couple of updates were interesting. All the thug tokens have been upgraded to miniatures (2 different models I think). The foot figures also got two more sculpts added, which is nice. I'd like to see more poses for the basic foot dudes though.
Still watching. The Works is almost starting to look like you're getting a decent amount for your money, but not quite there yet. There's plenty of time so hopefully it'll bulk up some more.
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I'm still waiting for a gameplay video, I'm on the fence like you guys.
** Looks like the video is up **
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Kind of surprising too considering that Wizkids is also putting out some Turtle clix next month too.
Is there any confirmation of this? I'd love to see the clix announcement. I saw one preview shot donkey's ago and haven't heard anything since.
Like lots of folks, I threw money at this thing as soon as I saw it. The box art had me, base your style and game on the comics and not the movies/cartoons and I'm yours! I'm a much bigger fan of the original foot vibe than the IDW one, but hey are going to go with images from their own property I'm sure.
I hadn't second guessed myself until reading this thread, but you guys got me thinking. If they were little guys who needed my money, I'd definitely stick with it. But I'll keep an eye on it as I'm sure they might not miss my money when they are counting 100's of thousands. :)
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One of my regular gaming buddies plays / collects clix, and he's mentioned the Turtles set a few times. I believe it is coming out in March, but I have only seen one solicit / image for it, and that was back before Christmas.
I'm still in on the KS campaign, but am interested in seeing the clix Turtles too. Not that I need either of them...although I'm hoping for some usable sculpts for characters beyond Splinter and the Turtles.
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...although I'm hoping for some usable sculpts for characters beyond Splinter and the Turtles.
That is what worries me about this KS project, all we've been shown are renders. I really want to see actual miniatures to see how those renders will look in the material they are going to provide.
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The details on the renders shown in the IDW campaign are rather soft in my opinion. I'd be pleasantly surprised if the detail on the manufactured product is much better than a standard gaming meeple. I have no facts to base this guess on, other than the renders shown.
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They are seriously missing a trick with the soft details on the 3d sculpts. Even looking at the mousers and there is so much missing from them that is on the drawing next to them :/
These new stretch goals are pretty poor. Thankfully they have annouced they will be EU friendly :)
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The details on the renders shown in the IDW campaign are rather soft in my opinion. I'd be pleasantly surprised if the detail on the manufactured product is much better than a standard gaming meeple. I have no facts to base this guess on, other than the renders shown.
Now that I've had time to cool off my initial backer-excitement, I'm seriously considering cancelling my pledge, for this exact reason. I was in it for the minis, but every sculpt has been underwhelming to my mind. The more I look at the four basic Turtles - the main reason I backed - the less I liked them. And I ain't upgrading to The Works just to get better sculpts of things that should be in the core box from the get-go.
Yep... I think I'm talking myself out of this KS. But I'll wait for a few days to see what gets added. I got an Early Bird and don't want to change my mind later! lol
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The heroclix are just as good if not better and the box set will be a lot cheaper.
(http://icv2.com/images/articles/1500x1500_eab5dbad82d3ca7a02541285bfd912693fd5b7e5cb8fd4c0439b1bcf.jpg)
(http://snakevsmongoose.info/SiteImages/Foot/FootPrint2.jpg)
(http://www.figures.com/gallery/data/24022/P1280396.JPG)
Im waiting until the last few days as well, as a lot of folk are making the same noises but im not sure the developers will take on board what they are saying.
Id have assumed that with them being 3d sculpts, then you can go a little more on the detail. You just have to look at what Crooked dice are having commissioned to see that it can be done and they won't be making the same money these guys will.
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$60 for 4 figures? Simply, no. lol
$441,574
pledged of $250,000 goal
Obviously I am in the minority on this...
The add ons are okay to nice but not pulling me in.
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I have to confess that I'd be happy with the heroclix turtles, but and waiting to see more on the game play. However, I've largely stayed out of the comments section on the campaign. Of all the campaigns I've supported, I've never seen one with a whinier group of entitled whiners than this one. Most of it seems to be focused around how the people who pledge for "The Works" are getting more stuff than the base pledge...shock.
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I'm thinking they have a point, to a certain extent. When the game is about Ninja Turtles, but the only way to get decent sculpts is by pledging for the Works, that rings alarm bells to me. The base game should have cool Turtles sculpts. It doesn't. Likewise, when essential (in my mind) minis like Splinter are 'Works only', I start to wonder just how good a set the base game will be.
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Whether the sculpts in the core pledge are 'decent' is up to the individual. You do get a set of turtles.
Having seen some of the figures from the heroclix range though...I think those hit the spot a lot better for me, having grown up on the 80s cartoon. I want that Krang!
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Whether the sculpts in the core pledge are 'decent' is up to the individual. You do get a set of turtles.
Having seen some of the figures from the heroclix range though...I think those hit the spot a lot better for me, having grown up on the 80s cartoon. I want that Krang!
Actually that's better put than my post. The ones in the base set don't resemble the Turtles I grew up with. Also, when I bought the early bird, I made the assumption that the Splinter ally card would later become a mini, because he's so integral to the setting. So to find out it's Works only was a bit of a let down. Im looking at some of the minis you do get thinking "Who are these guys?"
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Yeah I don't have a clue who Old Hob is.
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Yeah he was only ever in the IDW comics and the turtles are for the IDW licence versions too.
The stretch goals that came out are seriously rubbish and the gaps between them are stupidly high for what you get.
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Neither of these options appeal to me.
The glass case turtles that were the food previews look great but as clix they seem to have lost the aesthetic and look like cheap toys.
Nice metal range of Turtles. Complete with van. That's what's needed!
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From today New York Toy Fair :o
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I am far more interested in the Batman Surfing with a Shark miniature. Where has that been all my life?
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It is pretty classic ha
http://38.media.tumblr.com/6b6e45d4c8c4a71141a9f3b249c25c82/tumblr_nfq0d7LaXt1s2wio8o3_500.gif
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I've been waiting to see if they release anything substantial, but they are really dragging it out with only a few extra mousers and the vague promise of bebop and rocksteady. I want Triceratons! I want Utrom and Fugitoid! Looks like I will be pulling out of my pledge before the end as I already have decent turtles, splinter and mousers.
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If Rocksteady and Bebop are unlocked ill stick with it.
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Dropped my pledge yesterday. Basically I got the early bird basic set, and sort of expected a few more recognisable characters. Unfortunately, all the characters I wanted were Works only, and the Bebop/Rocksteady announcement was the last straw. It just made the early bird not worth it for me personally, and the opportunity to get the works EB instead was lost. I just think the lack of transparency is a real negative of this campaign - even when they announce what the next stretch goal is, they don't give a target, they just say 'Will unlock at ????'. Meh.
Anyway, I took my cash and backed the new Conan RPG instead. Must have my nostalgia kick somehow! :-D
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Out of curiosity, what do you think buying the character add-ons that were "The Works" only would cost you at retail? If you figure even $10 USD each for small guys, like Casey and Splinter, and $15 each for big guys like Bebop and Rocksteady you're close to $50.
I know not everyone wants to or can move up to the higher pledge, but as the producer, if I put all the stuff in the cheaper pledge, no one will buy the bigger one. As a company trying to make a profit you have to spread it around a bit. I know a lot of people are unhappy about it, but it makes sense from a business standpoint.
Not saying what the next stretch target is however, is really lame. It's not a goal if you don't actually know what you're shooting for!
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A lot of people are comparing the game to the similarly priced Imperial Assault, but actually that game does not represent good value, so it's a poor comparison. I think the Works should have all the limited stuff, alternate version cards, special sculpts, extra scenarios, fancy box, signed art, etc., but not core gameplay stuff. If Bebop, Rocksteady and Splinter were add-ons for both versions, I'd have stayed in and raised my pledge. But they're stretch goals for the Works only - that means characters that I see as far more integral to the IP than those weird foot elite guys aren't in the base game. Does that make sense?
Also, no actual minis yet, and some pretty soft and featureless renders - doesn't fill me with confidence.
As a backer of Zombicide Black Plague and Conan, I know what a quality, high-value Kickstarter board game looks like, and how a campaign should be run (If I'd actually got Conan, that is, but I can be patient...) Sorry to sound harsh, I just really wanted to love it for nostalgia purposes!
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Added to that, if they'd announced how the campaign was going to work from day one instead of keeping their cards close to their chest, I might have gone for a Works EB. As it was, I got the standard EB, and ended up feeling like I hadn't got a good game out of it, so dropped out. Given their total right now, I don't think they'll miss me lol
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...they're stretch goals for the Works only - that means characters that I see as far more integral to the IP than those weird foot elite guys aren't in the base game. Does that make sense?
I think this is where the producers are in a no-win situation. What different groups of people see as integral to the IP is different. Depending on the version you grew up with, depth of knowledge about the various incarnations and the kind of gaming you're hoping to do with the stuff in the box(es).
I'm still holding out for some good shots of the miniatures myself, because if those don't materialize it won't matter. I'd pick up the clix for decent character renditions in 3d form if the IDW game minis don't look promising. So far I haven't seen enough to make me certain we'll get them, but I'm sticking around to see how it shakes out.
In all honesty, I don't need a turtles game at all. I've already made my own turtles, splinter and Casey, plus a few ninja and a shredder. They're not 'official', but they look good enough for me to be happy to game with them. Anything else that comes out is all just gravy now...
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Dropped my pledge yesterday. Basically I got the early bird basic set, and sort of expected a few more recognisable characters. Unfortunately, all the characters I wanted were Works only, and the Bebop/Rocksteady announcement was the last straw. It just made the early bird not worth it for me personally, and the opportunity to get the works EB instead was lost. I just think the lack of transparency is a real negative of this campaign - even when they announce what the next stretch goal is, they don't give a target, they just say 'Will unlock at ????'. Meh.
Anyway, I took my cash and backed the new Conan RPG instead. Must have my nostalgia kick somehow! :-D
It is possible to change the pledge amount to $140 if you have the EB or do it in the PM later.
One reason why I stick with the EB.
We could be happy that IDW tell us further SG's, even without the goal amount, not every KS does it.
I've been waiting to see if they release anything substantial, but they are really dragging it out with only a few extra mousers and the vague promise of bebop and rocksteady. I want Triceratons! I want Utrom and Fugitoid! Looks like I will be pulling out of my pledge before the end as I already have decent turtles, splinter and mousers.
I fear that the Triceratons, Utroms and Fugitoid need to wait after the KS. They will come most likely with the Krank expansion.
I think the KS can get 1 million without problems in the last 7 days, I hope we will see much more mini goals and not the crappy 4 ally card goals... (Ok, I think they are mostly a step inbetween to get the next SG like Bebop or Rocksteady.
... If Bebop, Rocksteady and Splinter were add-ons for both versions, I'd have stayed in and raised my pledge. But they're stretch goals for the Works only - that means characters that I see as far more integral to the IP than those weird foot elite guys aren't in the base game. Does that make sense?
Also, no actual minis yet, and some pretty soft and featureless renders - doesn't fill me with confidence.
I do not think that B & R or Splinter are so integral to TMNT. Splinter for example is not part of most missions. Even Casey was more often on a mission (2003 series) with the turtles as Splinter was.
B&R appeared not even in all comics or tv series, especially the Mirage comics, so what makes them so integral? They are cool (and I want them) and many like them so they are reused in the newest comics and the new 2012 tv series.
The foot bruisers and foot elite are important to give the foot clan soldiers more non-unique character varieties.
But about the soft and featureless renders I'm worried a little bit, too. IDW had also already earlier 2 board games with minis and it is the same producer for the TMNT minis. Does anyone know which company made the minis of the previous games? I do not even remember the names of these games...
I also wish more different poses for the foot and bruisers.
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I do not think that B & R or Splinter are so integral to TMNT. Splinter for example is not part of most missions. Even Casey was more often on a mission (2003 series) with the turtles as Splinter was.
B&R appeared not even in all comics or tv series, especially the Mirage comics, so what makes them so integral? They are cool (and I want them) and many like them so they are reused in the newest comics and the new 2012 tv series.
Haha. This is exactly why I think Obsidian3D is correct. The version of the turtles that I know and love is the original 80s Eastman and Laird comics, and the associated cartoon series from the early 90s. I've never even seen the 2003-2012 series (what's a Triceraton?). This probably explains why this Kickstarter isn't for me lol !
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The previous game they made is called V Wars. The company who made the minis for them will be doing Turtles too. Trying to get close up shots of the V Wars minis though is not proving easy.
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Triceratons are from the original comic series (and the better of the TV animated series). Big humanoid triceratops'.
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Haha. This is exactly why I think Obsidian3D is correct. The version of the turtles that I know and love is the original 80s Eastman and Laird comics, and the associated cartoon series from the early 90s. I've never even seen the 2003-2012 series (what's a Triceraton?). This probably explains why this Kickstarter isn't for me lol !
If you read the original Eastman and Laird Comics, you should know Triceratons. They appeared already in these comics and also in the 87 series.
The original comics are much nearer to the 2003 series as the 87 series.
The IDW comics are a good restart, mostly mix of the old comics and different early series (do not know 2012 series much), including Bebop & Rocksteady, Krank, Shredder, Utroms, Slash and more.
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If you read the original Eastman and Laird Comics, you should know Triceratons. They appeared already in these comics and also in the 87 series.
The original comics are much nearer to the 2003 series as the 87 series.
The IDW comics are a good restart, mostly mix of the old comics and different early series (do not know 2012 series much), including Bebop & Rocksteady, Krank, Shredder, Utroms, Slash and more.
:D 1986
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt0og9jOIi1r4pitco1_500.jpg)
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It's been a very, very long time...
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TMNT issue 1-7 is one of the best runs (in my humble opinion) of any comic series ever. The amount of imaginative work that went into those early comics was staggering. It's too bad Eastman and Laird decided to focus on business rather than art. Although the return to New York series had some good work in it.
Does anyone have the triceriton miniatures painted from Dark Horse?
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The Heroclix turtle van, is it already available or was it only for the convention?
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I think it first appeared at the convention. They often filter out soon after, and in some cases the molds have been re-used with slightly different dials. If I see one locally I'll quite likely pick one up and remove all traces of heroclix-i-ness from it.
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Actually that's better put than my post. The ones in the base set don't resemble the Turtles I grew up with... So to find out it's Works only was a bit of a let down. Im looking at some of the minis you do get thinking "Who are these guys?"
Aye. The latest movie turned them into Hulks in a half-shell, but these guys look like preteen mutant ninja turtles. (Somewhat similar to the most recent cgi tv show - how connected is that to the IDW comic?) Also, I dunno if flat, smooth digital sculpting really captures the grungy two-kids-and-an-uncle's-money look and feel of the original comics. I agree that the clix versions look much better - to some of us 80s-90s grognards anyway. (They're not perfect, but the grimaces and inflated musculature remind me of the Leonardo action figure I used to have...)
And not to gain meself an unfortunate reputation of being hypercritical of animal-men, but the Bebop render looks too lanky, and the Rocksteady render too bulky! Though I gather that's based on IDW designs too. So help me, but I actually think this is one time Michael Bay did it better (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ej2Gdadlwms).
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So help me, but I actually think this is one time Michael Bay did it better (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ej2Gdadlwms).
Isn't that one of the signs of the Apocalypse?
They may have stayed my hand from cancelling my pledge. I've wanted a Fugitoid mini for ages, and its just possible Triceratons may be following.
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I have to say I'm more than happy with what im getting for my money with Rocksteady and Bebop added but i do feeling a litttle dissapointed at the gaps between the stretch goals now. I get a hint that they have not been prepared for the KS being as this succesful and have ran out of things to give. They making it harder to get anything extra by increasing the gaps which is a little unfair imo.
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These are the Turtles that the game is based on. Id have loved a cartoon version but hey i quite like these guys too. Apart from giving Leo a shit pose....TWICE!!!
(http://tmnt-ninjaturtles.com/assets/IDW-TMNT-13_Cover-RI_Schiti.jpg)
(https://secure.static.tumblr.com/b2ddaaac52c18a8dc5b6be355b5c0010/gagnwst/DtUn9rzbp/tumblr_static_tumblr_static_3p3jjudocvcw4w0cg4c0okwwo_640.jpg)
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I just threw in the towel. While I love TMNT, I don't really care for the IDW versions, at all really. The game itself looks a bit more complicated than I'd ever play as well. I might pick it up retail when it's all said and done.
I feel good about the decision as they've more than met the funding goals they were looking for. If it was a little guy, I would totally have stuck it out, but there were only really the turtles I was after, perhaps some mousers.
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I'll likely be dropping my pledge as well. Not showing anything but renders, and those being pretty softly detailed, is killing it for me.
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They are really stringing backers along. " Big anouncement .....tomorrow!"
and all their strech goals are just ally CARDs, not even a miniature to back it. I'm out.
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Yeah, I don't feel bad for dropping out. The campaign is almost over and we haven't seen a single actual mini, and
I don't really like the renders. I think there's not only a disconnect between fans of different version of the turtles, as discussed here earlier, but also between guys (like us) who want miniatures to paint, and guys who just want a cool board game.
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Still in two minds :(
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I'm still in. I think the game actually looks pretty fun. If the minis aren't decent, it won't really be worth it, but if they're even passable I'll be happy with what I get.
Either way I'll probably end up getting some of the Heroclix figures for my collection too.
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I stayed in. I hope i don't regret it when i get the figures.
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Me too. With the heroclix models starting to show up I waffled a bit, because most of those actually look pretty good. I'm hopeful the actual game from IDW is good as well though, but this one felt like an expensive gamble.
I confess i was rather disappointed with the last few stretch goals as well. It's all paid for now though, so it's just up to waiting...July is a pretty ambitious target. I expect it will be delayed until somewhere around Halloween.
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I also stayed in, well actually joined lately. The chance that this is good was actually too tempting. Plus: I really like all the later stretchgoals.
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Some pictures of the miniatures
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Your shelves are going to be just packed full of turtles stuff! :o
The boar is Beepop isn't it? Is his chainsaw a bit soft looking?
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Your shelves are going to be just packed full of turtles stuff! :o
The boar is Beepop isn't it? Is his chainsaw a bit soft looking?
They are already packed with Warriors and Turtles figures :)
Yeah it is very soft. Ill be making it more sharp.