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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: jet on 14 December 2008, 04:45:36 PM
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Hi all,
I was wondering if any of you had personal experience with the new plastic Celts by Warlord, or if any of you have any inside knowledge on the yet to be released Wargames Factory Celts. I know that both profess to be 28mm, and I was wondering if they were or not. I was contemplating using one or the other to represent Chaos Marauders for a Warhammer Fantasy army in the new year. I hate the current Marauder models from GW, and I sure as hell like the Warlord and WF prices better. Just wanted to be sure that they would generally fit in with other GW human models scale-wise.
Thanks for the input,
JET
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The celts from warlord games can be used, however they might look a bit on the small side... (or maybe just more realistic ;))
I'll try to make some scale pictures when I'm home.
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Why not? Their diminutive size would just be proof for the despicable effects of Chaos. Burn, heretics, burn. ;) I guess by adding scars and evil tattoos you could suitably warhammerfy them.
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Funny,
I thought about using them for Post Apocalypse cannibal wild men.. just adding a few wires and tech stuff.
I'd really like to see some comparisons.
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I have a couple of Celt armies I use for fantasy games so I can see no reason why not. And if you will excuse the blatant pimping
I still have a bunch of these fantasy Celts which I would let you have for a similar price to the plastics if they are any use
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w198/svennnthedhnut/ZULU056.jpg)
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I got a chance to see some of the Warlord Celts live on the sprue recently, and while they are nice enough figures, to my eye they looked far too small for Warhammer (almost more like Zvezda 1:72 figures). For my taste they would not make a good match on the tabletop with current era Citadel miniatures. They might work in conjunction with the current Citadel LOTR range (which is smaller than Citadel's "heroic 28mm" size).
While they had good detail, I was also a little disappointed in the limited variety of poses/modeling options.
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Here are some pictures. The camera was practically out of juice, so was a bit rushed taking the pictures. hope they still show enogh though.
First shot, some Em4/grenadier copplestone future warriors next to a celt. (I was indeed also planning to turn some of them into savages)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/braxandur/Warlord%20Celts/Image1.jpg)
Next, two views of the celts next to a marauder unit. I put the celts upon a chariot base, so if you don't remove their plastic footing, they will be at this height. So a bit on the small side, but still useable.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/braxandur/Warlord%20Celts/Image2.jpg)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/braxandur/Warlord%20Celts/Image3.jpg)
Just as Heldrak, I was also somewhat disappointed in the limited variety of poses/modeling options. As single models some of them even looked posed really strange. If you put them together as a bog mob though they do look great.
I hope the Wargames Factory ones will be have the arms loose from the bodies, that would make converting quite a bit easier,
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Hmm. Looks like their small size may be even better for me than I thought - it is because of malnutrition!
I'll buy a pack! Whenever! :-*
And dare I say - those are some kinky marauders! Haha! :D
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Nice marauders! Especially the guy with a flail and a strange face in the first photo 8)
I would use those celts at any time - if you put them on top of tha slottas without removing the integral bases, and then 'hide' the integral base with some filler, no-one will notice that they are slightly smaller.
If I were to use them for skimish games, I'd just base them on slightly smaller washers than 25 mm - it makes the minis visually appear bigger ;)
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Braxandur,
I notice you went with a Tzeentch army. I've never seen blue Marauders, but yours look really good. Thanks for the pics - they really help the decision-making. As has been said, base them (with their integral bases) on a regular GW base, and they will play the part, especially since the only thing they would be compared with would be Chaos Warriors.
Does anyone know how large/small the Wargames Factory Romans are by comparison? I'm assuming that their Celts will be roughly the same size.
Thanks again for the input ,
JET
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Braxandur,
I notice you went with a Tzeentch army. I've never seen blue Marauders, but yours look really good. Thanks for the pics - they really help the decision-making. As has been said, base them (with their integral bases) on a regular GW base, and they will play the part, especially since the only thing they would be compared with would be Chaos Warriors.
Does anyone know how large/small the Wargames Factory Romans are by comparison? I'm assuming that their Celts will be roughly the same size.
Thanks again for the input ,
JET
Not sure, I know the Warlord games ones (Imperials to go with these) are smaller
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Does anyone know how large/small the Wargames Factory Romans are by comparison? I'm assuming that their Celts will be roughly the same size.
I'll see if I remember to measure one when I get home this evening...
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well, I do have both of those at home as well :D
Will try to take some more pictures tonight (though we do have drinks at work today, so they might not turn out that well :P)
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btw, thanks for the nice comments on the blue marauders. I nicely planned to paint a unit for each of the four gods. Couldn't take the marks anyhow, so was purely for the looks...
However under the new rules these marks can be bought so I have to paint some more units of the sort I'd like to have.. :S
Hopefully I'll get some better pictures next to the the wargames Factory :)
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Well, I've pondered the pictures over the course of a couple of sittings. I've come to the conclusion that the size differences are not worth considering. Considering that the only other humanoids in the army are Chaos Warriors, which should really tower over Marauders anyway, it's actually kind of a good way to go. I realize there may be some size discrepancies with some of my opponent's armies (dark elves, high elves, skaven), but I doubt it would be enough to draw much attention.
I'm still curious as to how large/small WF celts will be when released. Their plastic warriors/horsemen/chariots would provide a very economical means to flesh out the marauder arm of a chaos force.
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I had a bit too much to drink yesterday, so pictures were only just taken :)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/braxandur/Warlord%20Celts/Image4.jpg)
I'm also waiting in anxiety for the plastics from wargames foundry. If not for in my chaos army, then for conversion purposes. (bring on the plastic zombies!)
As for size considerations, as long as your entire unit (except maybe for a mutated champion) is the same size I think everything would like nice.
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I had a bit too much to drink yesterday, so pictures were only just taken :)
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/braxandur/Warlord%20Celts/Image4.jpg)
Which are which?!
As for size considerations, as long as your entire unit (except maybe for a mutated champion) is the same size I think everything would like nice.
Actually I think that varying sizes is no problem at all.. as long as it's not pr unit - so you have one unit of large troops, one of small troops and so on. If you mix all kinds of sizes in one unit it'll look ok. Especially if you give them weapons from 1 manufacturer, as these better look same sizish.
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Sorry if this moves a bit off topic but I was reading January's Wargames Illustrated yesterday and there was a review of the wargames factory Romans.
It wasn't that good a review, quality wise and the review said it couldn't recommend them.
I haven't seen any of the figures at all myself so this is not my opinion, but I would imagine that if the review of the Romans was not good then maybe the wargames factory celts that are coming out may suffer from the same issues.
I'm not someone who critisizes things like this but if people have tight budgets then I wouldn't like them to be disappointed.
But having said that if you look on the wargames factory website there is some really positive feed back on them from a couple of purchasers so I don't really know what to think.
I could definately go for some celts for broadsword adventures and fanatsy stuff. The wargames factory roman I have is tiny and so the wargames factory stuff looks good.
I guess we will just have to wait and see how it pans out.
sorry if its a bit of a ramble. :?
dodge
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The middle legionnaire (Warlord?) seems slightly smaller in scale than the WF legionnaire. I wonder if that means that the WF celts will be slightly larger? BTW Braxandur, thanks for your efforts. They are helpful and I would say appreciated by others as well.
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(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/braxandur/Warlord%20Celts/Image4.jpg)
Which are which?!
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I would guess:
Warlord, WF, Warlord, WF, WF ?
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(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/braxandur/Warlord%20Celts/Image4.jpg)
Which are which?!
I would guess:
Warlord, WF, Warlord, WF, WF ?
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Almost Correct, it is:
Warlord, WF, Warlord, WF, Warlord
as for the quality, the celts would indeed turn out less satisfying, however the guys at WF say they completly redesigned them after what the learned making the Romans and rBritish
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as for the quality, the celts would indeed turn out less satisfying, however the guys at WF say they completly redesigned them after what the learned making the Romans and rBritish
And that is really all you can ask for isn't it , top marks from me for that :D
dodge
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as for the quality, the celts would indeed turn out less satisfying, however the guys at WF say they completly redesigned them after what the learned making the Romans and rBritish
And that is really all you can ask for isn't it , top marks from me for that :D
dodge
It certainly shows the right kind of attitude towards the market :)