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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: pixelgeek on 01 January 2009, 08:16:02 PM
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Does anyone have a photo showing how well 1:48 scale kits and 1:56 scale vehicles compare when used together?
I have some BAM 1:56 scale vehicles and I want to expand my armies with some Tamiya kits but I'm not sure how well they will work together.
TIA
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I'm pretty sure there is a significant size difference...they probably won't look good on a table top together. The only way I mix scales is if I buy a vehicle that I can't find made by any other company and if its an odd armored car or something such as the BA-64 by Bolt Action, I use it with Corgi T-34s.... ::)
regards,
Brad :)
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The 1/48 Tamiya kits are quite good and they usually match reasonably well. Sometimes, however they are clearly too large.
Artizan WWII next to Tamiya Kubelwagen:
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/JanSenten1982/Kubel2.jpg)
Same Artizan next to Chieftain Halftrack 250 I think:
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/JanSenten1982/halftrack1.jpg)
Again Artizan next to Tamiya Stug III and WIP Tiger:
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/JanSenten1982/stug2.jpg)
(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/JanSenten1982/Wiptiger2.jpg)
Hope that helps.
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I think 1.48 is a bit too big it looks not right in my eyes .
I know that 1:48 is more on the realety side but I like a bit smaller vehicle .it looks better on the table .
Maby it is a old GW view :?
Grimm
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My advice is always pick one scale and stay with it. Everything stays consistent. Especially with WWII though, there seems to be a lot more in 1/56th scale than 1/48th now.
For my 28mm WWI figs, I started with 1/48 because of availability, but am now switching to 1/56 as more gets released. (And then selling off my 1/48 as replacements become available.)
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My advice is always pick one scale and stay with it.
Always sound advice. Besides, 1:56 scale resin vehicles are easier to assemble. :-)
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Hope that helps.
Sure does
Thanks
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I agree that 1/48 looks too large some times, but that halftrack looks kinda too small. Or am I being deceived by the photograph?
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I agree that 1/48 looks too large some times, but that halftrack looks kinda too small. Or am I being deceived by the photograph?
It does look little, I think the rear tracks are stuck on too high up, because the front looks higher than the rear.
Plus the figure used as a comparison has an oversize rifle, and its base makes it look a lot taller.
The 250 Alte is not a huge vehicle by any means
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/831/pzht0025.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/23071&usg=__qvjSx4DSDaFT1apztBJOVrLacqE=&h=674&w=900&sz=103&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=Sk3YrqSesPCHjM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=146&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsdkfz%2B250%2Balte%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.afrikakorps.org/_photos/StugIII/StugIIIDzbV288KleemanSdKfz250.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.afrikakorps.org/stugszbV288.htm&usg=__CGWRIYb9r6u_mbp9JVTfr_YNZqE=&h=514&w=800&sz=166&hl=en&start=20&um=1&tbnid=qt1xvMXDRC1bjM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSdkfz%2B250%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
the second pic gives you a good idea of how small both the 250 and the STuG are.
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Indeed! I can see what you mean. The real life photos were a surprise. I had thought this vehicle to be much larger. Thanks. :)
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Same thing with the Tiger I, the one above is clearly a 'Carlsberg' Tiger, or the figures used are relatives of the guy in the bowler hat :D
(http://nacismus.mysteria.cz/reichgalerie/warkampf/tank_tiger1.jpg)
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The problem we have with trying to match a scale with figures is the fact that the proportions are all wrong. Heightwise you can work on 28mm and try to come up with a matching scale, but the figures themselves are oddly proportioned, which helps make vehicles look too small. Couple that with unbased vehicles and based figures you get another mismatch, even more pronounced when figures are based on slotta bases!!!
Gamers tend to match vehicles with based figures, so by trying to say that something is "in scale" when you are working on this kind of mismatch makes the whole thing very difficult.
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BAM 1:56 SKFZ251. This is in scale with the Chieftain 250 and about the same height. Artizan Germans.
(http://www.twfigurines.de/artizandesigns/pzg/artizan_pzg_group03.jpg)
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For my 28mm WWI figs, I started with 1/48 because of availability, but am now switching to 1/56 as more gets released. (And then selling off my 1/48 as replacements become available.)
I'm starting to do the same thing...thanks to BA producing all sorts of stuff.
regards,
Brad :)
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One of the keys to using 1/56th and 1/48th on the same table is to avoid mixing scale with the same vehicle type or mixing vehicles based on the same type. If you are doing Shermans pick one scale and do all your Shermans and Sherman based vehicles in that scale.
Another thing to look out for is doing smaller vehicles in the larger scale and then mixing the larger vehicles in the smaller scales. THis can lead to situations where two vehicle that should be different sizes are now the same size.
It really is just what looks good to your eye and keeping the basic size relationships. When you are looking at the table from the top down you will hardly be able to tell the difference if you keep these two points in mind.
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I taped an old Bandai 1/48 Jeep together and took a couple of pics with the chassis of a 1/56 Company B SAS Jeep for comparison. You can easily see why I, personally, wouldn't even consider using 1/48 models with 28mm minis. They are just too big and, the larger the vehicle, the bigger the discrepancy will be.
Please excuse the photo quality. I'm still trying to come to terms with a new camera. (Looks like I didn't tighten the tape enough, either. You'll get the idea, though.)
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Just trust your eye. If you don't like the look of a particular scale then don't use it. Since I take a bit of a cartoon approach to wargaming the scale is not a huge issue for me. If it looks good then go for it. As for the jeep example look at the math:
1:1 jeep 131" long
1:43 jeep 3" long
1:48 jeep 2.72" long
1:56 jeep 2.33" long
That is a pretty big range which is why I never mix scale for the same vehicle. Here is an example of the largest scale jeep you might be tempted to use - 1:43 - mixed with Victory Force 28mm figures.
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_jHfnBHW3x_0/R2rmXbMkIBI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/dnvHqoIKC5Q/s800/Jeep1.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/G1sSYYXsvBzU3rNT4zsQCg?authkey=CX7SMOBpEvE&feat=embedwebsite)
To my eye this looks fine even though the jeep is HUGE. :o It may not look good to someone else. :)