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Title: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 03 May 2016, 09:40:56 PM
I apologise as this has probably been done to death but.

Having just bought Danger Close as a download to add to Black Ops and At Close Quarters can anyone recommend a modern skirmish ruleset?

It seems D20s are popular! Bolt Action has a great system and I have thought of getting the A Team to kidnap Alessio Cavatore and Rick Priestley but they are hard to find! ( I mean the gaming genius's).

I would like to skirmish using different troops from my collection so I dont really want a region specific set....also simple is good as I play solo.

Thanks guys I know the answer is out there.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: hellraiser on 03 May 2016, 09:53:50 PM
O S C from Evil Bear Wargames, there's a review in this forum.

Fast and fun but not simplistic
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: sundayhero on 03 May 2016, 10:06:43 PM
No end in sight ! Great indie ruleset, with modern and inovative gameplay.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 03 May 2016, 10:16:08 PM
OSC do look interesting....what dice are used?
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Arlequín on 03 May 2016, 10:18:44 PM
Flying Lead from Ganesha Games. My personal favourite. No actual solo rules though, but I do believe there are solo players who use them. Very adaptable, give a good result and their site supports a 'squad builder'. Best at under 20 figures a side, ideal at about ten.

A fair few of the Two Hour Wargames rules are designed for solo play, as well as co-op or standard play. Some people think the action-reaction tests interrupt play too much, others think they are fantastic... so mileage might vary.

Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 03 May 2016, 10:28:59 PM
Thanks Chaps I have something to go on now.....I am not a fan of too many reaction tests....common sense should prevail really.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: sundayhero on 03 May 2016, 10:42:36 PM
I didn't see that you were searching for a solo game. Then Arlequin is right, you should also take a look on last chain reaction rules (CR2015) too !
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Splod on 04 May 2016, 05:26:07 AM
I use Force on Force, with the old 1st Edition Ambush Alley rules for insurgent reactions for solo games. Can be a bit heavy at times where numerous reactions are involved, but it's a great system that I feel really represents modern combat.

Have you considered writing your own? I was struggling to find a ruleset I liked for 6mm moderns, and in the end put together something to suit my needs. It started as 2 pages of scribbled rules, which have slowly been refined through trial and error to give me the gameplay I was after.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: shepard88 on 04 May 2016, 04:30:05 PM
FoF is good but is better for platoon size games, and yes it is complicated where lot of action/reaction is on the table...

I use Force on Force, with the old 1st Edition Ambush Alley rules for insurgent reactions for solo games. Can be a bit heavy at times where numerous reactions are involved, but it's a great system that I feel really represents modern combat.

Have you considered writing your own? I was struggling to find a ruleset I liked for 6mm moderns, and in the end put together something to suit my needs. It started as 2 pages of scribbled rules, which have slowly been refined through trial and error to give me the gameplay I was after.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 04 May 2016, 07:59:21 PM
Force on force is amazing but it gets too complicated for solo play.....having said that it did ignite my interest in the modern period. I have the Danger close which on reading is getting better each time. Does anyone else use this set? Are there lists or a web page for them?

Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: hellraiser on 04 May 2016, 09:57:53 PM
O S C uses d10
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 04 May 2016, 10:19:17 PM
Cheers Hellraiser, I am possibly a simpleton as I prefer "normal" dice....D10 is pretty close I will investigate these closer. Thank you.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: GeKi on 09 May 2016, 06:53:51 PM
Black Ops from Osprey is really nice.

cheers
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 10 May 2016, 08:24:46 PM
I have Black Ops and I would like to see a "standard" version of it. Maybe it is worth a supplement to Osprey because it seems fairly popular?
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: the fallen scholar on 11 May 2016, 11:29:56 PM
Modern Bolt Action Rules maybe?
http://jayswargamingmadness.blogspot.com/2015/11/bolt-action-modern-rules.html
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 12 May 2016, 07:18:27 PM
Wow Scholar! These are a find....saved to be read tonight.
Has anyone a link to how to play Danger Close, I have looked through a few links etc but the stress rules are not making sense. I acknowledge clearly in advance that this is due to my thickness and shortage of time to devote to reading them.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 12 May 2016, 07:27:37 PM
Just realised I have the Bolt action modern version already.... lol
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Queeg on 14 May 2016, 06:55:48 AM
Wow Scholar! These are a find....saved to be read tonight.
Has anyone a link to how to play Danger Close, I have looked through a few links etc but the stress rules are not making sense. I acknowledge clearly in advance that this is due to my thickness and shortage of time to devote to reading them.

There's a rules forum I think Carl, from memory the link is on the Empress site. Also you could PM Paul (Empress) with any questions as he'd probably be the one to ask ...... 
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 14 May 2016, 10:30:37 AM
Thanks Queeg I will have a look. The rules seem very interesting and very manageable for 28mm. I often wonder though why for 20mm Rapid Fire or some other solid rulesets never got an official expansion into the modern era?
I will hunt for the forum now
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Splod on 15 May 2016, 04:08:46 AM
Thanks Queeg I will have a look. The rules seem very interesting and very manageable for 28mm. I often wonder though why for 20mm Rapid Fire or some other solid rulesets never got an official expansion into the modern era?
I will hunt for the forum now


If you head over to The Guild - http://www.guildwargamers.com/ (http://www.guildwargamers.com/), a number of the key figures use Rapid Fire for moderns. You'll be best to talk to Piers, Gunbird, or Andy Rix about what changes they used. I know I've seen battle-reports for Arab-Israeli, Iran-Iraq, Gulf War 1, and Cold War Gone Hot using Rapid Fire.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 19 May 2016, 10:31:51 AM
Thank you very much for this. I rarely if ever visit the guild page so I would never have found it.

I wondered what everyone was doing in 20mm moderns...this may well be it!
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Spectre Miniatures on 19 May 2016, 01:21:52 PM
Keep an eye out for our rules 'Spectre: Operations' which will be out in the next few weeks. Here's an excerpt explaining what it is about:

Spectre: Operations is designed to play any scenarios from the Cold War, the contemporary “modern” and “ultramodern” through to combat in the near future. It aims to deliver the most realistic and playable 28mm wargaming rules possible.  It encourages the players to use their forces’ key attributes and capabilities, tied with tactics, manoeuvre and firepower to defeat their enemies – just as it is on the modern battlefield.

Spectre: Operations encompasses the broad spectrum of combat operations seen on the world's battlefields today.  A key aspect of Spectre: Operations has been the assistance and advice provided by current and former military and security personnel - combat veterans with many years’ experience in the field. Their ongoing shared expertise and input has influenced every aspect of the game, including and Spectre’s miniature range.  We hope it gives Spectre: Operations the utmost realism in terms of game mechanics in so far as that can be achieved in a miniature bloodless simulation of combat.  Every effort will be made to be at and remain on the cutting-edge of modern warfare to allow the player to replicate or replay events, or design their own conflicts in this very uncertain world.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 19 May 2016, 11:53:30 PM
I have followed your figure range with interest and will no doubt purchase some, I especially like the deniable operators! Suitably dark.
I do hope that your rules are a success...I seem to collect rules as well as figures.
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on 20 May 2016, 10:02:38 AM
Thanks Queeg I will have a look. The rules seem very interesting and very manageable for 28mm. I often wonder though why for 20mm Rapid Fire or some other solid rulesets never got an official expansion into the modern era?
I will hunt for the forum now


Hi,
Yeah drop me a line if you have any questions on Danger Close. either by mail@empressminiatures.com or on the facebook page.

We are currently working with the original guys who created Skirmish Sangin to produce a set of rules for 'big' games. Play testing on mechanisms currently going ahead and all looking good. Possible release date just after Christmas. So if you want a game with a few tanks, vehicles and infantry a side then this should be of interest. Early days at the moment but all very exciting  ;)
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: CarlLeyland on 20 May 2016, 02:11:40 PM
A big game version does indeed sound very exciting! I am re reading the rules and shoving some figures around at the moment....at the weekend a friend and I are going to give the rules a playtest which I am looking forwards too. If we encounter any difficulties I will let you know. Thanks
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on 20 May 2016, 03:52:55 PM
No problem and have fun.  :)
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: Dangerdaz on 21 May 2016, 11:15:41 AM
Hi,
Yeah drop me a line if you have any questions on Danger Close. either by mail@empressminiatures.com or on the facebook page.

We are currently working with the original guys who created Skirmish Sangin to produce a set of rules for 'big' games. Play testing on mechanisms currently going ahead and all looking good. Possible release date just after Christmas. So if you want a game with a few tanks, vehicles and infantry a side then this should be of interest. Early days at the moment but all very exciting  ;)

How about devising a vehicle add on for Danger Close?
Afterall, you have all these lovely new vehicles but only infantry rules!
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: MajorTalon on 19 June 2016, 07:11:23 AM
Danger Close is indeed an excellent system. One of my fellow players seems to think it needs a points system (which I don't agree with at all).
Title: Re: Which Modern Ruleset?
Post by: shepard88 on 26 June 2016, 08:39:12 PM
which se tyou prefer guys; Spectre rules or Black Ops?

I go for black Ops.