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Title: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: Park on 24 June 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I remember reading in the local paper about school kids re-enacting an action that took place on the beach at Marske by sea in Cleveland/north yorkshire.

 If irc parliament tried landing on the beach but pennyman gathered local militia and drove them off. As this would appear to have taken place on my doorstep I thought it might make an interesting side project. However, my inexpert fumbling have failed to dredge up any info. I was wondering if anyone out their could maybe point me in the right direction?
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: fastolfrus on 24 June 2016, 10:52:27 PM
Sounds unusual.
ECW naval actions are largely overlooked, but you do hear references to eg gun-running from the continent and occasionally piracy (depends on the writer's viewpoint).

Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: Park on 24 June 2016, 11:11:52 PM
Marske and Saltburn (next place down the coast) are noted for smuggling, so there may be some element of this to it but I always thought this was prevelent later on.
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: soldieroftheline on 25 June 2016, 09:05:24 AM
If Pennyman was involved perhaps the reenactment Pennyman's regiment could help you out?

http://www.1643.net/ (http://www.1643.net/)

They are based in the area and have done lots of research on their history.

Rob
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: carlos marighela on 25 June 2016, 01:48:29 PM
Here you go:

http://northeasthistorytour.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/battle-of-marske-beach-cnz640229.html

One of the local schools will probably know a bit too. They did a reenactment:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Beach+battle+comes+back+to+life.-a0231806378

Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: Park on 25 June 2016, 06:52:07 PM
Thanks for the links/info. Think I may have to get some clubmen painted up with suitably sandy bases...
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: fastolfrus on 25 June 2016, 07:21:16 PM
Here you go:

http://northeasthistorytour.blogspot.com.au/2012/01/battle-of-marske-beach-cnz640229.html

One of the local schools will probably know a bit too. They did a reenactment:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Beach+battle+comes+back+to+life.-a0231806378


If it was summer 1643, the landing party had nothing to do with Cromwell.
He was busy at Grantham, Gainsborough and Winceby.

I can't find any mention of it in the Rushworth papers for 1643
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rushworth-papers/vol5/pp263-309#highlight-first

Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: Park on 25 June 2016, 07:51:36 PM
If it was summer 1643, the landing party had nothing to do with Cromwell.
He was busy at Grantham, Gainsborough and Winceby.

I can't find any mention of it in the Rushworth papers for 1643
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/rushworth-papers/vol5/pp263-309#highlight-first



I wonder if Cromwell's name has been used as a simplification/generalisation of the parliament command?
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: Elk101 on 25 June 2016, 09:20:37 PM
The event was run by Ormesby Hall and was supported by Middlesbrough Museum's curator. He's a bit of an ECW specialist and runs lectures on the ECW in the area.
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: fastolfrus on 25 June 2016, 10:04:56 PM
I wonder if Cromwell's name has been used as a simplification/generalisation of the parliament command?

Undoubtedly.

I dislike his prevalence in almost anything ECW.
We have the same morons in Scarborough who trot out an assortment of myths about the siege of the castle - there is a local hill called Oliver's Mount. It's about 2 miles from the castle but local numpties keep trotting out the line that it was where Cromwell placed his siege artillery (or was digging a tunnel to the castle), although Cromwell never visited the town and the siege guns were placed in the church just a couple of hundred yards from the castle.
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: Elk101 on 25 June 2016, 10:50:03 PM
Yeah, I don't think there is any actual suggestion that Cromwell had anything to do with it from the people involved (ie not the newspapers!) I think you're probably right with the whole generalisation thing. It's Roundheads and Cavaliers syndrome! I can ask if there is any more info on it.
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: fastolfrus on 26 June 2016, 09:26:35 AM
1643 is quite a busy year for the North Sea coast - siege of Hull, Scarborough goes over to the Royalists and Bushell turns to piracy, arms shipments from Holland etc.
Some of it is mentioned in Rushworth, but it would be interesting to find more detail of what's going on.
Title: Re: ECW local knowledge needed
Post by: Park on 26 June 2016, 09:42:10 AM
I would certainly enjoy finding out as much as possible