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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Argonor on 21 November 2016, 07:32:38 PM
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DO we have picture references for the various types of livestock (pigs, chicken, cows, sheep (I know of the Manx), etc.) that were common in the Dark Ages and later Medieval times, please?
And, more important, are 28mm (or compatible) minis available (I know the Gripping Beast stuff, am looking for more alternatives)?
I am at the point in my Dark Ages project where I need to start adding all that kind of bits and bobs, including pig pens and dung heaps.
I may have asked similar questions before, for which I apologize, but my butterfly mind has had me shift focus from the Dark Ages project many times since, but now I am determined to get a hamlet/farmstead finished for my Blood Eagle, and later SAGA games.
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I think you can find something useful in the Mirliton catalog: link (http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?page=1&cName=medieval-accessories&sort=1a)
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I think you can find something useful in the Mirliton catalog: link (http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?page=1&cName=medieval-accessories&sort=1a)
Yes, thanks. I am wondering about the difference between the Mirliton pigs and the Gripping Beast pigs, though... when did the fat, short type get introduced/cultivated/bred, as opposed to the leaner, much more hairy one with the hair crest? (And where?)
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There's also the dark age items.
I made for 1st Corps miniatures. Which includes a farmstead ,ovens ,dung heaps,haystacks, and a useful flock of long haired sheep. Its a single resin block of 47 sheep. There will soon be a similar model for both cattle ,and goats.I've not actually been asked to make pigs.
Mark.
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There's also the dark age items.
I made for 1st Corps miniatures. Which includes a farmstead ,ovens ,dung heaps,haystacks, and a useful flock of long haired sheep. Its a single resin block of 47 sheep. There will soon be a similar model for both cattle ,and goats.I've not actually been asked to make pigs.
Mark.
Thanks, I may need those civvies when I have painted up my Foundry civilians, in addition to the last GB ones I have. :)
Some of the terrain items are added to my to-get list (I really like the beehives!), but I prefer my animals to be on individual bases for skirmish gaming where single warriors must be able to carry sheep away. ;)
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Warbases do a whole range of animals some even specific for the Dark Ages period.
http://war-bases.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=131_156&page=1
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I would avoid pink round piggies for medieval and earlier periods. A lot of breeds were "improved" by adding oriental blood! Go for something that looks like Tamworth pigs.
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Warbases do a whole range of animals some even specific for the Dark Ages period.
http://war-bases.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=131_156&page=1
Another good source, there, thanks!
I would avoid pink round piggies for medieval and earlier periods. A lot of breeds were "improved" by adding oriental blood! Go for something that looks like Tamworth pigs.
I think the war-bases iron-age pigs actually fit that bill :)
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As already mentioned there are loads of usefull sheep, goats and pigs out there. But there is a severe lack of cows. You can mostly get highland cattle. And if you do find regular cows they are usually quite big. Like modern day cows but dark age cattle was not as large as modern cattle.
I have tried to buy som 25mm cows to see how they work out. Ill let you know how it turns out once they arrive.
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I have tried to buy som 25mm cows to see how they work out. Ill let you know how it turns out once they arrive.
Sounds good!
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Redoubt miniatures have a good collection of animals. The site is not terribly user friendly but the search function works well. A google search for rare breeds or traditional breeds of livestock will help with painting.
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Argonor, 1/64 sheep may be not the best models around, but they are very cheap by the bundle and suitable for large herds.
(http://thumbs1.picclick.com/d/l400/pict/122083462796_/1-64-Ertl-Farm-Toy-Qty-Of-25-Assorted.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0740/0635/products/12743A_1024x1024.jpg?v=1423699499)
Anyway, don't forget the sexy shepherdess figure:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9eoAAOxy3cJTf7Yn/s-l400.jpg)
;)
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Yeah, cheap plastics work well, but are better suited for more contemporary settings, though.
Redoubt miniatures have a good collection of animals. The site is not terribly user friendly but the search function works well. A google search for rare breeds or traditional breeds of livestock will help with painting.
Some of the Redoubt stuff is quite nice, thanks. Quality seems a bit all over the place, but some of it may be the pjs.
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1/64 sheep may be not the best models around, but they are very cheap by the bundle and suitable for large herds.
Good idea. 1/64 could do for traditional small sheep breeds at 1/56 scale, for example the Ouessant sheep (which was very common in Brittany till the late 19th century).
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Good idea. 1/64 could do for traditional small sheep breeds at 1/56 scale, for example the Ouessant sheep (which was very common in Brittany till the late 19th century).
Exactly! Dark ages livestock in general were smaller than what we have today:
http://www.medievalists.net/2015/05/study-reveals-size-of-livestock-were-at-their-lowest-in-early-middle-ages/ (http://www.medievalists.net/2015/05/study-reveals-size-of-livestock-were-at-their-lowest-in-early-middle-ages/)
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I got some cows from Hovel today. They are rather nice. They are still a bit bigger than I would have liked. But they will have to do.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t75/Fredejensen/FDABA7AE-6386-4523-BE89-C1EA4583661D_zpsdhxr1xha.jpg) (http://s157.photobucket.com/user/Fredejensen/media/FDABA7AE-6386-4523-BE89-C1EA4583661D_zpsdhxr1xha.jpg.html)
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Duly noted! :)
Today, I have had to call in sick at work due to stress, caused by a bad psychological work environment (we have a psychopath colleague who is generally ruining everything for everybody), so I may not respond as much to posts on this (and other) thread(s) the next couple of days while I recuperate... :(
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Why does a shepherdess need scythe or a rake? ???
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Why does a shepherdess need scythe or a rake? ???
General farm work...
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Duly noted! :)
Today, I have had to call in sick at work due to stress, caused by a bad psychological work environment (we have a psychopath colleague who is generally ruining everything for everybody), so I may not respond as much to posts on this (and other) thread(s) the next couple of days while I recuperate... :(
Get well soon! ;)
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(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9eoAAOxy3cJTf7Yn/s-l400.jpg)
Not bad, although they´re very late medieval if at all. Who makes these?
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Not bad, although they´re very late medieval if at all. Who makes these?
They are from Fenryll: http://fenryll.com/product.php?id_product=741 (http://fenryll.com/product.php?id_product=741)
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Get well soon! ;)
Thanks. Well, I try to keep doing stuff, and not sink into a stupor, but I hardly sleep at night and as a consequence of that am very tired and suffering from almost cronical headaches atm.
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Thanks. Well, I try to keep doing stuff, and not sink into a stupor, but I hardly sleep at night and as a consequence of that am very tired and suffering from almost cronical headaches atm.
Argonor, a very strong and traditional medicine in the words of a very wise woman:
"Love is the only answer and the only way. Look inwards and find it!"
Adriana Lima
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDydn8oDp14kZcXU6fYKWF-g9Y8NwreeFJ5A4tbPpYjUlbCK5v)
;)
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Argonor - hope things improve at work - on the animal front irregular miniatures do lots
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Thanks - I am seeing my GP tomorrow and expect a prolongued sick leave during which I expect to get back on my feet... :-I
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Argonor - sorry to hear your news.
Hope things settle so you can continue to enjoy your hobby.
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Thanks, I have decided to not let my condition ruin December and the holidays for me (and my family, of course), so although I may work slower that normally, due to concentration difficulties, I shall do as much as I can while on leave. I may be absent from the web a couple of days here and then, when I feel the need to rest a lot, but all in all I should keep the engine running, albeit at low steam.
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Hi Argonor,
Hope your December has been restful. Discussion of appropriately sized cattle reminded me of the 1:64 Ertl toys that I've seen used to great effect in old west games. They've always looked a bit short there, but would make excellent ancient cattle given the right paint job.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/272471192980
They come in a variety of body shapes, but Hereford are quite stocky.
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I have an abundance of Longhorns, they might be usable painted in grayish tones....
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I don't think has mentioned Eureka yet? They have a range of aurochs http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_131
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I have those Ertl cows. They are good enough. gave them a wash of gryphon sepia. Miniature is from Black Scorpion (they are big
(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s390/zju/Hickory%20Flat/BillyBob_zps50d4798d.jpg)
(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s390/zju/Hickory%20Flat/HFCorral-4_zps15e22cee.jpg)
4ground also sell some oxen.
http://www.4ground.co.uk/camps-carts-and-wagons/28mm-draft-oxen (http://www.4ground.co.uk/camps-carts-and-wagons/28mm-draft-oxen)
(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s390/zju/Hickory%20Flat/Oxes_zpsoizhogya.jpg)
Cheers,
za
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Thanks for the picks Za Zjurman, they don't look half bad considering they are just toys. The scale is good for smaller cattle too.
I don't remember this being mentioned before, but if you are looking for some visual inspiration for actual cattle (for paint jobs and what not) there are several rare breeds organisations out their. The Livestock Conservancy (https://livestockconservancy.org/index.php/resources/internal/heritage-cattle-breeds)in the US and the Rare Breeds Survival Trust (http://www.rbst.org.uk/Rare-and-Native-Breeds/Cattle)in the UK have good sites (for all farm animals not just cattle).
Seeing the work of organisations such as those highlights the difficulties in tracking the history of farm animals. Until the 18th century no one really took livestock breeds seriously, so records early than that tend to be incidental rather than deliberate. If nothing else they give a general idea of how cattle may or may not looked throughout history. As most people have worked out, they tend to be smaller, thicker set than modern dairy cattle, hairier and have bigger horns. No surprises there.
@Argonor: I can't see why Longhorns painted up the right colour wouldn't be a perfectly acceptable stand in. Make sure you post pictures so that we can see how it goes.
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Don't worry, I hardly ever do anything hobby-ish without doing proper documentation for future reference, and others to comment.
I have a couple other projects at the top of the queue atm (also some Dark Ages related stuff), but I enjoy all the inputs and inspiration, as I am set on expanding my Dark Ages collection with some animals for raiders to steal, so as to widen the scope for both defenders and attackers (it is nice when the defenders are not sure what the attackers will try ti get away with).