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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: joroas on 17 December 2016, 12:47:39 PM
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Butterfly time......
Perrys new range looks good, but limited. Would figures from the Sudan range be useful and, if so which, as, theoretically, they cover a large period and several campaigns?
Thanks
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I think it's all about puttees and helmet covers* but no doubt the very well informed such as Plynkes, Mad Guru, etc will jump in with much, much better advice. :)
*Used in the NWF but not the Sudan
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Mad Guru's the chap you want, but I'd venture the troops sent from India to Suakin are the best-suited (i.e. the ones with puttees and helmet covers, as SI pointed out - in the Perry range they are referred to as 'Indian Service Dress'). Then of course there are the actual Indian troops themselves. To the best of my knowledge there were no Naval Brigades in Afghanistan, but I may be wrong.
The photographs I have seen seem to indicate that the cavalry weren't so big on helmet covers as the infantry, so you possibly could use the Hussar figures as they come (though a photo of the 10th Hussars in Afghanistan I have seen appears to show a lack of helmet spikes, unlike the Perry figures).
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Wow, I must say I am flattered by the mentions, particularly by such venerable and highly esteemed forum members!
Joras: as already mentioned, the Perry "Indian dress" infantry are exactly what the doctor ordered, so to speak, as they were dispatched directly from British India to Egypt and Sudan in the immediate aftermath of the Second Afghan War, wearing the same uniforms and using the same weapons and equipment they had in Afghanistan.
Also mentioned above and just as perfectly appropriate will be the 10th Hussars cavalry from the Perry Sudan range, as they too came from Afghanistan with their same uniforms and equipment (though perhaps not exactly same equipment for their horses, but there you are getting into extreme button-counter territory!).
The 9th Lancers served in Afghanistan and from the same range you could potentially paint the 19th Hussars with "improvised lancers" into a good facsimile. Another choice for the 9th Lancers would be to use the Empress 17th Lancers from their excellent Zulu War range. The Empress lancers are in their blue service dress, which the 9th Lancers took with them to Afghanistan and wore on occassion, mostly in non-combat situations. Most of the time in battle they wore lighter weight khaki tunics similar to those on the Perry 19th Hussars.
For artillery you have the relatively new Perry British gun crew in their "Victoria's little wars" range, as well as their British mountain gun crew in the Sudan range. For the latter if you're picky all you really need do to make them perfect for Afghanistan is perhaps remove the desert goggles from the officer's helmet.
Then there are the Indian troops in the Perry Sudan range. The Sikhs and the Bengal Lancers, both Sikh and Muslim, are all good as is, but the Bengal/Bombay infantry wear a later style of cloth covering over their turbans, which if you care about such things, makes them not so appropriate for the Second Afghan War. However, it's not that tough to fix, if you don't mind a little conversion work, either by customizing their present headgear (as I did on a full unit of Bombay Grenadiers for my Maiwand game), or simply decapitating the little guys and replacing them with heads wearing more appropriate turbans. I haven't done it myself so I'm not certain but I think the WWI Woodbine Design Muslim heads actually might work for this purpose. It's also pretty easy to turn the Perry Bengal Lancers into sword-armed Indian Cavalry, as their right hands come empty with separate lances that can be replaced with swords. I used "light cavalry sabers" from an American company called the "Dayton Painting Consortium" http://www.dpcltdcom.org/rsm95_013.htm (http://www.dpcltdcom.org/rsm95_013.htm), which fit the hands and worked very well.
That's probably more than enough info for now, so I won't go on, but I hope it's of use!
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That is all good information, thanks. I think that the Perrys are missing out by not creating an Afghan range from existing figures.
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Some more Afghan regulars would really be nice! The Foundry ones are great (Perry designed!) but not all are released at present and there is so much more variety needed. And Indian Army sepoys etc to! A proper NWF moutain battery, Gurkhas, Guides etc (yes - I know Foundry do them to but they are looking a bit tired now).
Here's an extra thought - what about 1870/1880's Russians - a sort of "Great Game gone hot"? Infantry in summer issue, some artillery and Cossacks?
So much potential!
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I don't need more temptation!!!!! :o
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Sparrow - there are more Afghan regulars on the way from Perry Miniatures. If you look on their Facebook page you can see the greens taking shape,
EC
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Cheers!
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Sparrow - there are more Afghan regulars on the way from Perry Miniatures. If you look on their Facebook page you can see the greens taking shape,
EC
Yup :
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/15288669_1036051649850274_1260570503832336533_o.jpg?oh=9d6a89089cc1108d28febba66ea534d2&oe=58FB4CEC)
In the fullness of time, there should be metal British infantry in advancing poses as well. The greens below were previewed five or six months ago, I think :
(https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13177558_879114762210631_9064322361516778629_n.jpg?oh=470a502c11bbc8df3fffdc3716ca193a&oe=58E25205)
Regarding Indian native infantry, has anyone asked the twins on Facebook if they intend to revamp their Sudan range packs and give them new heads ? That would be a simple conversion job and something they could do very quickly.
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Thanks chaps 8)
Hadn't seen any of those before
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Great, I'm not that keen on plastic figures and the British can be used for the TMWWBK and Congo, as well. Some judicious buying will gather a force for Sudan as well......
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Those afghan regulars greens look promising :)
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I am also aware that Artizan have a nice range too, but as a range, experience tells me, there will be no commanders, cavalry or artillery...... The not Carry On Up The Khyber figures might have a role to play. though....
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Sparrow - there are more Afghan regulars on the way from Perry Miniatures. If you look on their Facebook page you can see the greens taking shape,
EC
Brilliant! Thank you!!!!
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Regarding Indian native infantry, has anyone asked the twins on Facebook if they intend to revamp their Sudan range packs and give them new heads ? That would be a simple conversion job and something they could do very quickly.
Just asked!
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Not sure I follow you guys - there's nothing wrong with the Perry Mins Sudan range heads except for the Muslim Bombay/Bengal troops as Mad Guru has pointed out. The Indian Army British packs, Sikhs, and cavalry are all suitable for the 2nd AW. There's a questions about the posing of some of those Indian infantry packs - maybe at the ready would be more useful than running at the trail, but that's about that.
EC
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Not sure I follow you guys - there's nothing wrong with the Perry Mins Sudan range heads except for the Muslim Bombay/Bengal troops as Mad Guru has pointed out. The Indian Army British packs, Sikhs, and cavalry are all suitable for the 2nd AW. There's a questions about the posing of some of those Indian infantry packs - maybe at the ready would be more useful than running at the trail, but that's about that.
EC
Yes, the Muslim packs were the ones I had in mind. The Sikhs are obviously fine as they are, but you need far more Bengal sepoys than Sikhs for the 2nd Afghan war.
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Lo! Can't believe that they updated the website in less than three hours!
Victoria's Little Wars
by Michael Perry
VLW 9 British infantry marching, 2nd Afghan War
VLW 10 British infantry command marching, 2nd Afghan War
VLW 11 Jacob's Rifles, firing line, 2nd Afghan War
and they added all the relevant codes to the listing:
SB 21 British infantry command
SB 22 British infantry standing firing
SB 23 British infantry at the ready
SB 24 British infantry advancing at trail
SB 25 British infantry at high porte
SB 33 10th Hussar command
SB 34 10th Hussars, swords drawn
SB 68 Sikh infantry command
SB 69 Sikh infantry marching
SB 70 Sikh infantry firing line
SB 74 Bengal lancer command
SB 75 Bengal lancers, Sikhs
SB 76 Bengal lancers, muslims
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(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/VLW%209.JPG)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/VLW%2010.JPG)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/VLW%2011.JPG)
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well spotted joroas! :D
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Is it just me or are those sculpts looking a bit on the rough side?
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Is it just me or are those sculpts looking a bit on the rough side?
Dangerous to judge from just a photo but the same thought crossed my mind. The Afghan figures the twins did for a Foundry were brilliant. Let's hope these figures live up to it. I do worry that the Perry's undoubted skill in sculpture and design isn't always matched by whoever does their casting.
PS - when I said "Afghan Regulars" earlier I meant Afghan Army not Anglo-Indian - just in case I confused anyone. Sorry!
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That impression might be caused by the less than total coverage of the grey undercoat.
Two extensive ranges for this campaign, now; TMWWBK must be selling like hot chapatis.
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Their is a definite 'lumpyess' in the texture of the smoother areas ie the helmets.
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Excellent miniature. I will definitely use them in his army.