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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: SiamTiger on December 20, 2016, 05:21:47 PM

Title: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: SiamTiger on December 20, 2016, 05:21:47 PM
While most associate Gripping Beast with their SAGA success story and most recently the release of Swordpoint, they presented the latest SAGA supplement Aetius & Arthur in late November. A matching plastic kit was released earlier this year, the Late Roman Infantry.

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This Late Roman Infantry can be used as legionary or auxiliary infantry of the 4th / 5th centuries, in both Eastern and Western Roman Empire. Even beyond that, they can be used for early 6th century armies, like Roman Britain or Gaul, as well as early Byzantine armies.

The kit is priced at 22 GBP and covers 44 soldiers (4 command miniatures and 40 soldiers). Gripping Beast covers solid 28mm heroic scale plastic in this box, and is produced at the fine factories of Renedra. Inside the box you'll find 8 sprues for soliders, 2 for the command miniatures, a leaflet with the cover artwork on its back and a sprue with rectangular bases.

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As mentioned above, you get two kind of sprues, the smaller command sprue that covers the officer and a standard bearer, with the choice between Draco and Vexillium, as well as a horn (Cornu). In the soldier sprue you find 5 different bodies, along with swords, spears and bows as weaponry. Castig is good, with a bit of mold lines, but it seems as this is caused mostly by the poses.

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There are 7 different bodies in this kit, 2 fixed bowmen in tunic, 3 in tunic and 2 in chainmail. Only one of five miniatures from the soldier sprue wears chainmail. A complete box lets you build 16 unarmoured archers, 16 unarmoured soldiers and 8 armoured soldiers. There are enough spears for everyone of the 24 soldiers, but only 16 swords.

Most heads wear helmets, one is bare and another one wars a fur hat (Pannonian cap). There are large shields for every warrior as well as 8 small shields.

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The poses are rather dynamic, and the arms are kept close to the body. The archers are very similar and the standard bearer can choose between the Draco and Vexillium, as well as a horn.

(http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansBld04-200x133.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansBld04.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansBld05-200x133.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansBld05.jpg)

The mixed bundle from the two sprues already gives you a small warband.

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For scale comparison a picture with a Footsore Early Saxon and a Warlord Games Cesars Legionary. As well as an Saxon Thegns to the far left. Those miniatures are proper 28mm heroic scale and are a bit larger than Foundrys Late Romans (sculpted by the Perry Twins), but will work great with Footsore's Late Romans as well as the Crusader range.

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The group in front of a more neutral background, from the front and the back. Note the smaller bases? That makes them great for grouping them up on multi-bases, as well as the 25mm round bases. You can really see, who these will stand in a formation or shield wall, for Hail Cesar, Swordpoint or SAGA Aetius & Arthur.

(http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansShw1-200x133.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansShw1.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansShw2-200x133.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansShw2.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansShw3-200x133.jpg) (http://www.chaosbunker.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/GB_LateRomansShw3.jpg)
Conclusion

Compared to the vikings and the saxons, this kit feels a bit like something that was hurried for "bulk" production. Rather simple poses, not many options, just a small sprue with generic soldiers that you can field in numbers. Don't get me wrong, they will form great regiments, but compared to the other plastics by Gripping Beasts, I don't think they will do that well compared to metal miniatures / for smaller skirmishs.

Why? Well it is the small things. Due to the few parts each miniature is build from, they have some design "flaws", the quiver for example is kept much simplier, as if it would have been a single part that would later be glued onto the bowmen. Same goes with the scabbards and other pieces on the miniatures. A different pose for the bowmen would have been great, but in this way it reminds me a bit of the plastic starter kits of the late 90's with single pose spearman and archers. Keeping the sprue with 3 unarmoured and 2 armoured bodies, with seperate arms would have been possible on the small sprue, but given a lot more options for the builder.

Never the less, 22 GBP for 44 miniatures is good value, and if you're looking for troops for a mass combat system like Swordpoint, Warhammer Ancient Battles or similar, this box will absolutely fill your needs.

Link: Gripping Beast (http://www.grippingbeast.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Romark on December 20, 2016, 06:30:38 PM
Great review,very helpful  :)
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Leigh Metford on December 20, 2016, 10:57:43 PM
I might have bought more than one box if the set didn't contain so many archers.

The whole lot will be absorbed almost imperceptibly into the Romano-British ranks.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: aphillathehun on December 21, 2016, 02:47:17 AM

Yes, great review.  It's too bad they cast on the decorations - would be a lot more versatile without those.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: SiamTiger on December 21, 2016, 05:25:26 AM
Thanks for the feedback :)
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: AndrewD on December 21, 2016, 12:25:31 PM
Thank you for the excellent review!  :)
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Codsticker on December 21, 2016, 04:06:28 PM
I agree with those above- very helpful review.

The poses actually look pretty decent to me as- like you pointed out- suitable for building regiments (perhaps better for that purpose than their Saxon and Viking box sets).
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Duncan McDane on December 23, 2016, 09:41:28 AM
Mmm, not bad but there are too many models carrying a sword scabbard, especially archers didn't do so as swords were quite rare ( and, if I'm not mistaken, outlawed for quite a long time in Anglo-Saxon England ).
Also I see too many helmets so that quite limits their use for A.S. armies after the 5th century, as those were quite rare and most certainly wouldn't be worn by skirmishers and only a few militiamen ( Fyrdmen/Ceorls ) would wear one... Will stick with my Black Tree /GB metals and add some other - metal - manufacturers to that, as there aren't too many useful bits for converting ( helmet story again ) mine...
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: LeadAsbestos on December 23, 2016, 10:24:49 PM
These aren't for Anglo-Saxon England, and the Fyrd/Ceorls are a feature of AS England as well. These are Late Romans, right?
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Lt. Hazel on December 24, 2016, 07:34:14 AM
I like the Review, but it belongs to the Ancients Board I think.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: SiamTiger on December 24, 2016, 07:42:34 AM
"Medieval Adventures
Adventures in the Dark and Middle Ages, from the 5th to the 15th century"

Wasn't sure either, but the boards description lead me to the Medieval instead of Ancients. And Late Romans feel like Dark Ages to me, EIR / Caesar's etc. is clearly Ancients.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Captain Blood on December 24, 2016, 08:38:12 AM
It's a fine line and we don't want to be too pedantic  :)

On the whole though, I think most people would say 'Romans' proper belong in the ancient rather than the medieval world.

Certainly once you get into the post-Roman / sub-Roman period, there's more of an argument to say that 'the Dark Ages' are just underway, and that's just about the start of the very early medieval period...

Anyway, since these are specifically Romans, I'll shift it across to the Ancients board.

I like your reviews, by the way. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on new kits.
Unfortunately I don't like these figures though. Generally speaking, the heads are one of the things this sculptor does well (unlike the poses of bodies and arms, which often look wrong... ) In this set though, the gurning, cartoon faces just make these unusable (to me at least). But undoubtedly there are plenty of people who like this style, so it's each to their own as usual  :)
I shall persevere building my Arthurian army from the excellent Footsore range. Can do without these plastics...
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Madhouse Workshop on December 24, 2016, 01:00:38 PM
That is a great review.  I've done a lot of work with Gripping Beast's Vikings, Saxons, and Dark Ages plastic kits and must say this one, late Romans, for me is let down.  Not a very versatile kit, which is what I love about the previous 3.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Madhouse Workshop on December 24, 2016, 01:01:49 PM
Quote from: SiamTiger on December 24, 2016, 07:42:34 AM
"Medieval Adventures
Adventures in the Dark and Middle Ages, from the 5th to the 15th century"

Wasn't sure either, but the boards description lead me to the Medieval instead of Ancients. And Late Romans feel like Dark Ages to me, EIR / Caesar's etc. is clearly Ancients.

I agree with that as well.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: SiamTiger on December 24, 2016, 02:43:32 PM
I have the Arab box by Gripping Beast here as well, will take on that one in Q1 / 2017. Have some Antares and Bolt Action 2nd Edition in my current schedule.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Duncan McDane on December 25, 2016, 12:01:27 PM
Quote from: LeadAsbestos on December 23, 2016, 10:24:49 PM
These aren't for Anglo-Saxon England, and the Fyrd/Ceorls are a feature of AS England as well. These are Late Romans, right?

True, but after the Romans left the Britons didn't discard their arms & armour the very same moment, it was being used - and remade - for 100's of years after with only very slow design changes over the centuries. So late Roman/Arthurian style wargear and dress can safely be used up to 7th century A.S. England and probably a fair bit later too. And for "peasant militia, later the Fyrdmen" those models are overarmoured and dressed... That's how I look - and judge - those models, they have a rather limited use in a time/period where almost everything went together for quite some time...

Edit: Maybe I should have explained I'm putting together some early-to-mid period A.S. force which can be used from the time of Aelle up to Offa, so I might be a bit prejudiced  ;).
Oh, and of course, thanks for the review Siam Tiger, excellent description and thanks for the pics. aswell.

Edi2: What I don't get is the 2 cirkels in about each and every model front left and right on the tunic. Surely they didn't have pockets in their wargear at that time? So what are those  ???
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: marcusluis on December 25, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
Can we see them painted??
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Codsticker on December 25, 2016, 05:01:28 PM
Quote from: SiamTiger on December 24, 2016, 02:43:32 PM
I have the Arab box by Gripping Beast here as well, will take on that one in Q1 / 2017. Have some Antares and Bolt Action 2nd Edition in my current schedule.
That's awesome 8). Although I have been tempted to buy a box of their Arab infantry something about the models doesn't quite work for me.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Mad Doc Morris on December 26, 2016, 08:53:14 AM
Quote from: Duncan McDane on December 25, 2016, 12:01:27 PM
Edi2: What I don't get is the 2 cirkels in about each and every model front left and right on the tunic. Surely they didn't have pockets in their wargear at that time? So what are those  ???

That's what makes them truly "Late Roman": orbiculi or tesserae, geometric patterns woven into/sewn onto tunics. ;)
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Suetonius Paullinus on December 28, 2016, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: marcusluis on December 25, 2016, 02:46:18 PM
Can we see them painted??

Plenty of other pictures around here..but here you go:

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/CiaphasCain_album/Gripping%20Beast%20Late%20Romans/9B762C85-D1EB-4CA9-96B7-D7686EC469F6_zpsljrakzvm.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/CiaphasCain_album/media/Gripping%20Beast%20Late%20Romans/9B762C85-D1EB-4CA9-96B7-D7686EC469F6_zpsljrakzvm.jpg.html)

@topic
A fair review! I hope they will do plastic cavalry eventually 8-)

Cheers

SP
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Duncan McDane on December 29, 2016, 12:25:40 PM
Quote from: Mad Doc Morris on December 26, 2016, 08:53:14 AM
That's what makes them truly "Late Roman": orbiculi or tesserae, geometric patterns woven into/sewn onto tunics. ;)

Ok, thanks. I'm more of a Dark Age addict so my knowledge about earlier times is quite limited, to put it mildly :).
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Romark on December 29, 2016, 02:51:31 PM
Lovely unit SP  :-*
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Lost Egg on February 26, 2017, 05:12:23 PM
Great review.

Does anyone know if you can build a 4pt SAGA warband from one of these boxes?

Cheers
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: SiamTiger on February 26, 2017, 06:07:23 PM
With the 44 miniatures you're good to go with Aetis & Arthur, enough bowmen for the warriors with that option, enough in chain mail for your hearthguard and enough javelins / spears for the rest.

If you're playing with 2x Hearthguard (8), 3x Warriors (24) and 1x Levies (12) you could even field 6 Points with that box.
Title: Re: Late Roman Infantry by Gripping Beast
Post by: Lost Egg on February 26, 2017, 06:44:40 PM
Whoa that is pretty good for one box...perhaps that was GB's plan, fewer options but only a single box to get you started in SAGA. It must be pricey to produce minis in plastic so if they can cover the basics in one box rather than two it saves them mulla.

Thanks for the speedy response :D