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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: hallmarkFPS on January 25, 2017, 02:32:01 PM
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(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/matsch1_zpsgerdfugl.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/matsch1_zpsgerdfugl.jpg.html)
Here is the start of my latest project, more info and pics on my blog (1 down and few hundred more to go!!)
http://1066campaign.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/gaudenz-von-matsch.html
cheers
Steve
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Awesome. Will be following this one for sure.
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Very good start - look forward to seeing more!
Simon.
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Great conversion 8)
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(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/knifin1_zpshi6xdonb.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/knifin1_zpshi6xdonb.jpg.html)
This chap has been sitting on my desk since God knows when, which is a real shame as he is my favourite medieval figure of all time.
Not sure who he will be representing yet.
2 down....
Cheers
Steve
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Nice Job 8) 8) 8)
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Great work on the black and gilded armour - sets off nicely with the grey mount.
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The head on that top fellow is great. I wish I had a selection of bare heads to choose from for making some Perry figs. I have a plan for bashing up a Warwick that I need a bare head for.
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Before I zeroed in on the bare head on that figure, I should have congratulated you on the build. That build is great, and the painting on both the figures you have pictured is awesome!.
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The second one is fantastic too!
I agree it's an awesome model, I'm looking forward to painting my own version someday soon.
I really like the Perry metals. They get a lot of criticism due to their casting quality, and it's true they definitely aren't the best side-by-side with their wonderful plastics... But I think once painted up they are just fine. They all have such good poses, full of character. I wish they'd make some more metals for their WOTR range.
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(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/wald4_zpstlxdorol.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/wald4_zpstlxdorol.jpg.html)
First unit completed of knights and men at arms from Swabia. I've tried to show some different qualities and colours in the armour.
When i have more time I will finish writing a more detailed account of the personalities shown and add it to my blog, but for now back to work!
Cheers
Steve
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Beautiful! :-*
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Ah this is some great stuff. really love it. I saw some of these on your blog already and you inspired me to do a german force too (probably not as acurate as yours because I wouldnt know where to start) I'll be following this closely!
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Very nice start indeed . Keep on painting them up!! Will follow closely :-*
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Oh now those are lovely. :-*
I second the comments about the bare head on the first figure, and your painting is absolutely gorgeous - so cleanly done and characterful.
A very jealous Bob today.
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Looking good - interesting fall in the centre!
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Ah this is some great stuff. really love it. I saw some of these on your blog already and you inspired me to do a german force too (probably not as acurate as yours because I wouldnt know where to start) I'll be following this closely!
It has been a real slog as i am trying to research a small battle during a pretty uneventful campaign.
I have enough info now to crack on, i just hope I/google have translated it all properly....
If you need some german heraldry from the period this link may help
http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00035320/images/
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(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/tyrol1_zps9q8xfiyv.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/tyrol1_zps9q8xfiyv.jpg.html)
A slightly better picture. This time they are trying to hold the high ground from some slightly blurry Italians!
cheers
Steve
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Fantastic image!
Do you have pics of your Italians somewhere?
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fantastic 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Fantastic image!
Do you have pics of your Italians somewhere?
Sadly most of my Italians look like this at the moment(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/it1%20-%20Copy_zpsdheersyy.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/it1%20-%20Copy_zpsdheersyy.jpg.html)(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/it2%20-%20Copy_zps7xkzyhxb.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/it2%20-%20Copy_zps7xkzyhxb.jpg.html)(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/it3_zpsyo9qykk3.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/it3_zpsyo9qykk3.jpg.html)
apart from these
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/bavFO1%20028sky1_zpsunus5e4l.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/bavFO1%20028sky1_zpsunus5e4l.jpg.html)
I hope to rectify this soon!
cheers
Steve
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Really nice work!
I've always thought there was a lot of unexplored wargaming potential in 15th century Germany for Anglophone gamers
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The Italians look awesome!
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Fantastic painting. :-* :-*
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Really nice work!
I've always thought there was a lot of unexplored wargaming potential in 15th century Germany for Anglophone gamers
there sure is! I'm just scratching the surface with my little project
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Late to the party, but well done and blog followed! :)
I've always thought there was a lot of unexplored wargaming potential in 15th century Germany for Anglophone gamers
Germany and the Low Countries have really been ignored, that being said you would think the French disarmed between the HYW and the Italian Wars too.
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That looks like quite some models finished already though. What system will you look for to play this with and how many mini's does that aim for?
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Very well done indeed, and a refreshing change from Wars of the Roses.
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Nice looking, very crisp and clean.
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That looks like quite some models finished already though. What system will you look for to play this with and how many mini's does that aim for?
In the end i'll probably use hail caesar. As i build the forces i will be playing Days of Knights by Chipco as it requires less model count. i'm also looking at doing a few of the lighter troops on single bases for some skirmish action, Either using the lord of rings or lion rampant rules.
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Absolutely lovely painting, especially like the Swabians. Looking forward to more!
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Nice herladic paints of Knoeringen and Koenigsegger hope to see more.
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Nice herladic paints of Knoeringen and Koenigsegger hope to see more.
well spotted that man! the other chap is (if my research is correct) Johann von Sonnenberg, truchsess of Waldburg.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/Waldburg-Sonnenberg1_zpsnxwl4d4i.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/Waldburg-Sonnenberg1_zpsnxwl4d4i.jpg.html)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb249/hermitfps/truchsess-johann-waldburg_zps2yb6di1i.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/hermitfps/media/truchsess-johann-waldburg_zps2yb6di1i.jpg.html)
cheers
Steve
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the italians are really stunning
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what comes next ? Fuerstenberg ? or some early Landsknechts ?
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Johann von Sonnenberg, truchsess of Waldburg.
That livery is stunning.
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Fantastic miniatures and also a very interesting theater of war. ;)
If I may add a little side note:
One of the oldest votive paintings in German language was made due to this conflict. One man at arms, Ludwig Klingkhammer, was gravely wounded by a shot from a Falkonett (= culverine). He ascribed his survival to the help of the Virgin Mary and the Simon of Trient (allegedly killed in an ritual murder in 1475) and therefore donated a painting.
I only found two sites in the internet linking a image of the painting: LINK 1 (http://wwwg.uni-klu.ac.at/kultdoku/kataloge/51/html/3645.htm) & LINK 2 (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.php?p=134159&postcount=83)
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Awesome models! :-*
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Fantastic miniatures and also a very interesting theater of war. ;)
If I may add a little side note:
One of the oldest votive paintings in German language was made due to this conflict. One man at arms, Ludwig Klingkhammer, was gravely wounded by a shot from a Falkonett (= culverine). He ascribed his survival to the help of the Virgin Mary and the Simon of Trient (allegedly killed in an ritual murder in 1475) and therefore donated a painting.
I only found two sites in the internet linking a image of the painting: LINK 1 (http://wwwg.uni-klu.ac.at/kultdoku/kataloge/51/html/3645.htm) & LINK 2 (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.php?p=134159&postcount=83)
That is an awesome painting, i have not seen that before, thanks for sharing. Judging by the painting I guess his horse did not survive! what a great name "Klingkhammer" I will have to paint him at some point!
Cheers
Steve
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what comes next ? Fuerstenberg ? or some early Landsknechts ?
Well i have quite a few more knights/ man at arms finished. I plan to do 2 large blocks of early Landsknechts of arounf 50 figures each, before i get round to them i have some crossbowmen and halbadiers to do!
But before all that i need to finish some commission work....
cheers
Steve
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Sounds nice. But sure that you want to play so many foot knights ? The most of them fought on horse or as officers in the gewalthaufen.
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what a great name "Klingkhammer" I will have to paint him at some point!
I am looking foward to see (t)his miniature! ;)
Tried to get a little bit more information about him but only found out, that there was an official of the same name in Vienna around 1490.
For the time around 1450 I found two other Klingkhamer (father and son) who served the imperial city of Augsburg as mercenaries, for example in the First Margrave War, but later turned against this city and others in Swabonia in a feud. If there are ties to the one mentioned above I cannot say...the name was spelled in many different names and all the feuds and wars in the late medieval holy roman empire seem to be a bottomless pit. o_o
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Found a little bit in the regasta imperii.Ludwig Klingkhamer gives Maximillian the Information that the turks wins a battle against croats and that 5000 croats dies.altough that he fought in the battle of calinao where he is wounded.thats the picture.but i search this night....hope to find there castel or something like that.
nothing found . The Family is not listed. No founds in the swabian,austria,frankish or bavarian Knight list...and in the regasta imperii i found a text to the picture that he was not a man from tyrol. So it could be that he was an son of a rich family. why rich ? he had the money to let paint a Picture and worn a half armour and fight on horse.
family name klingkhammer : Klinge (word for knife or sword) , hammer...the same in english. it can be translate as armourer
using Google with Adelsgeschlechter and than the area you want....like Schwaben etc.
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Sounds nice. But sure that you want to play so many foot knights ? The most of them fought on horse or as officers in the gewalthaufen.
According to my sources for the battle i am concentrating on, there were only 200 German cavalry compared to the 1200 Italian. So I wanted to show a few of the characters fighting on foot. More importantly i love the Perry minis foot knight box set and i just needed an excuse to paint some more ;D
I will probably only be doing one unit of mounted knights/men at arms for the Germans. At the moment I am trying to workout how to base them, as I read somewhere that the Germans fought in a deeper formation, like a wedge. Sadly i cannot now find my source anywhere...
cheers
Steve
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The Landsknecht fought in deeper Formation thats right. The first rank had the longest pikes and the second and following had different lenghts and heads....(~1520-?)
the mounted Knights where the first with Lances and the second with easy weapons...and flanked with crossbows.
But the tactic and equipment changes...i think for the first years ,the Landsknecht Gewalthaufen looks like the swiss....lot of helbards in the center and around of them the pikes.
search in Heereswesen der Neuzeit tomorrow for more informations.
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Whilst recently reading the Osprey book on the battle of Pavia (1525), it mentioned the French cavalry charging in line, whereas the Imperial cavalry fought in a deeper formation.
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thats not a special german formation. To stand deeper (in waves) gives you more options...more power on one point, more maneuver changes, and the better chanche to make a feint to check if the infantry fearless or weak. its like a little bit of the later caracolla. checking, stoping, shooting....or go into it.
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I think in the case of the HRR, the choice of a wedge with only a 'crust' of fully armoured 'knights', backed by rank upon rank of less well-armoured men (Einspannige etc), was forced on them by the proportions of each that were available. Although it is indeed effective against massed infantry.
I read that the Caracole began its life as the tactics of Spanish Jinetes. Caracole is after all Spanish for snail; the shell would resemble the 'swirl' of bodies of javelin-armed skirmishers. Certainly the term appears in the 15th Century, sometime before the pistol.
There is of course no reason why the term can't be used successively, but for different reasons; I think snail as a euphemism for 'slow' transcends the language barrier.
:)
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mmmhhh it altough could be, that it means to ride a circle....to make place for the second wave of shooters,and again again again...and that looks like a snale.(volley fire((correct word in english ?))
back on topic...i would make six knights and two easy crossbows on the right flank.
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Yes, volley fire is correct and indeed the circular motion of whole front ranks wheeling away to the rear is almost certainly where caracole comes from; whether you are throwing javelins or shooting pistols (or indeed handguns and crossbows). It is pretty much the same as the infantry's 'firing by introduction'. I would imagine the name was given when they began to use this disciplined exchange of whole ranks, as opposed to the individual action promoted by the training-game 'Carosella'.
... but yes back on topic. I agree the mounted crossbows would be used to support the men at arms. As for the men at arms though, I'm quite confident that mounted crossbows aside, there would be many more Perry 'Light Horse' required than 'Men at Arms' in a body of cavalry.
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The crossbowes take position on the right flank...could see in lots of ilustrations of the swiss books (Schilling...Tschachtlanchronik...etc) they shoot short before the knights hit the infantry to bring chaos and disorder in it. The problem would be the system who you would play....knights,mecanery,easy cavalry....
a good Inspiration how to look german Knights in the early 16th is the Epos of "Ritter Theuerdank"...(maximillian style) or some of the Turnierbücher...for example "Turnierbuch Freydal" or "Jost Pirckhammer".
if you use the perry Knights than take the gothic style armoury.they are perfect for the 1460-1510.