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Miniatures Adventure => Pulp => Topic started by: Orctrader on 09 March 2009, 08:57:56 AM
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Timewatch. BBC2 on Saturday.
Most of it I already knew but the documentary emphasized the two points that were the "secret" of their success. (Success as in staying alive for as long as they did.)
Clyde always stole Ford V8 cars. This meant that they could always outrun local law enforcement who had slower, older cars. (And who had to give up any chase once the gang crossed the county or state line.)
Their weapon of choice was the Browning Automatic Rifle (Stolen when required from National Guard armouries.) Which meant they could always out-gun local law enforcement who had to, apparently, buy their own weapons out of their pay.)
After the programme I realized that I haven’t seen any gangsters in 28mm armed with a BAR. Wonder if anyone makes separate BARs in weapons packs?
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I caught a few minutes of it and it looked very good. I knew about The use of the BAR as the weapon of choice.
It was much preferred over the likes of the Tommy gun for its ability to penetrate armour etc. I thinkt the Tommy gun which most figures seem to be armed with and is the iconic weapon of the ganagster was an invention of Hollywood?
I had heard that the Tommy gun was not that effective when firing at a car as it would not always penetrate the metal.
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A BAR would punch through the radiator and damage the engine block with it's 30/06 rounds. A Thompson gun would just knock holes in the radiator and might tear the engine up. With the BAR you could also send one bullet through the first copper in line and badly injure the one behind him. The BAR is such a long weapon that they also would saw the barrel and stock down to make them more manageable in smaller spaces, like the interior of a car.
Ryan
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I’m quite sure Lon at Brigade Games won’t mind a little publicity… There’s BAR armed gangster in their Mob Wars range…
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/BG-MWG004_sm.jpg)
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I’m quite sure Lon at Brigade Games won’t mind a little publicity… There’s BAR armed gangster in their Mob Wars range…
Those are very nic, thats the first time I've ever seen a gangster figure with a BAR. :)
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I’m quite sure Lon at Brigade Games won’t mind a little publicity… There’s BAR armed gangster in their Mob Wars range…
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Calimero_34/BG-MWG004_sm.jpg)
Thanks :) I'll take a look. (Don't think any of their UK stockists carry the "Mob Wars."
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Pulp Figures have a couple scattered through their Gangland Justice range, IIRC...
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I saw the documentary as well, very interesting.
I was particularly impressed with the guy demonstrating the effectiveness of the BAR relative to a .38 special. Sawing breezeblocks in half from 20 yards away looks like all kinds of fun. :)
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have you seen the Bonnie and Clyde set from Dixon that looks good.
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I saw the documentary as well, very interesting.
I was particularly impressed with the guy demonstrating the effectiveness of the BAR relative to a .38 special. Sawing breezeblocks in half from 20 yards away looks like all kinds of fun. :)
Unless you happen to be hiding behind the breezeblock at the time lol
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have you seen the Bonnie and Clyde set from Dixon that looks good.
I've seen them on the stand without realising who they were, I was looking at them for Call of Cthulhu figures, especially the casualties and down'n'outs.
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I saw the documentary as well, very interesting.
I was particularly impressed with the guy demonstrating the effectiveness of the BAR relative to a .38 special. Sawing breezeblocks in half from 20 yards away looks like all kinds of fun. :)
Unless you happen to be hiding behind the breezeblock at the time lol
Remember kids, cover from view is not cover from fire! ;)
I only caught the second half of the programme but found it interesting.
The BARs were certainly a bit of a revelation for me. I guess the "Tommy-gun" stereotype is too widespread.
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I saw the documentary as well, very interesting.
I was particularly impressed with the guy demonstrating the effectiveness of the BAR relative to a .38 special. Sawing breezeblocks in half from 20 yards away looks like all kinds of fun. :)
I was impressed by the way he put red pots of paint on top of the breeze blocks just for effect, I didn't know breeze blocks could bleed.
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1. Shooting a B.A. R. is a lot of fun, having had the oppurtunity once.
2. Clyde and several others liked the penatration of the 30/06 round, particularly in the AP version. They cut both the barrel and the stock down.
3. Clyde prefered to his Colt 1911 pistol, in the caliber 38 super, which also was better at penatrating vehicles.
4. Another weapon I have not seen a figure with is a "Whippet". Gangsters would us a cut-down semi-auto shotgun, i.e. Remigton model A-5, with a leather strap replacing the stock. The strap was put on the arm before the jacket was put on. The result was the weapon hung, under the coat and under the arm, effectively concealed. At the needed moment, the gangster would draw his thumb along the lapel of his jacket and "Whip it out".
The three C's of combat are Cover, Concealment and Camoflage. Those that get them mixed up become casualties.
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Wonder if anyone makes separate BARs in weapons packs?
I've just noticed Cannon fodder do:
http://www.canfodmins.com/WEAPONPACKS.htm
i think BAM did but there weapon & equipment packs had gone under the new owners the last time i checked
Keith o_o
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The Assault Group also sell BAR in pack of 10;
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=299&cat=27&page=1
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The Assault Group also sell BAR in pack of 10;
http://www.theassaultgroup.co.uk/store/product.php?productid=299&cat=27&page=1
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Thanks :)
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Just to add to the discussion.. No, the Tommy gun was not solely the invention of Hollywood. It could at one time be bought from the Sears Catalog by mail order. I don't think everybody ordered one when he got his Christmas Ham and silk stockings for the missus, but...
I'm certain not everybody carried one, but they were definitely in use, along with a lot of the other weapons mentioned. Some of the better armed cops had Tommys and BARs, too. I think the practice of having to buy one's own weapon probably varied from state to state.
-Doc
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Bob Murch will be adding a BAR-armed copper to his Pulp Figures range.
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A thompson submachinegun and the Monitor a civilian version of the BAR were both available for sale. However they were not cheap running about as much as a used car. The motor gangsters (Bonnie& Clyde, Dillinger etc.) of the era found it cheaper to simply steal them from National Guard armories. The Al Capone type gangsters would at least some of the time actually buy them.
Now that might make for a great game, two or more rival gangs both trying to rob the same small town National Guard armory, with maybe the FBI there to pick up some weapons or the local police dropping by for chat. The actual National guard might be returning from a weekend manuver. Some Moonshiners are there to deliver a few truck loads of booze to some Capone hoods there to pick it up. Might make a fun game.