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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: flatpack on June 04, 2017, 08:08:57 PM
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Gents,
In our group of gamers we have one chap that really, really wants to do ECW.
He has the books and the unpainted figures.
I thought we could all join in and start small, so when I heard that Pikemans Lament was coming out, I ordered us a few copies.
Unfortunately our friend doesn't like the rules after reading thro them, as he thinks ECW should be bigger than a skirmish game.
Oh well you can't win them all.
I was inspired by the rules to paint up some of my friends pike to see if it inspired him to go with it.
Watch this space. Maybe one day we will get a game of Pikemans lament ?
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They look great. I played my first game the other night. The rules are fast and fun. The officer rules add to the game.
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From the several years of ECWN&Q I have stockpiled I would suggest that the majority of the action in the ECW was large skirmish. Admittedly several companies/troops per side, but there was a whole lot that was also just one or two companies clashing.
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From the several years of ECWN&Q I have stockpiled I would suggest that the majority of the action in the ECW was large skirmish. Admittedly several companies/troops per side, but there was a whole lot that was also just one or two companies clashing.
Zerostate, thanks for that info, I'll use it on him and see how far I get.
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Also I like the comment about the rules being fun and fast. When you get together as a group of mates playing a game for a couple of hours, that's all you can ask for.
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Gents,
In our group of gamers we have one chap that really, really wants to do ECW.
He has the books and the unpainted figures.
I thought we could all join in and start small, so when I heard that Pikemans Lament was coming out, I ordered us a few copies.
Unfortunately our friend doesn't like the rules after reading thro them, as he thinks ECW should be bigger than a skirmish game.
The dude sounds difficult :-I...
Too bad- the mechanics of the Rampant/Lament group of games are quite fun and with a bit of modding they could probably scale up to represent larger forces by combining activation rolls, using bases instead of individual figures, etc. If you can get someone else to play some games with you he can observe the rules in action and perhaps he will come around.
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Flatpack, when my BIG TIDY finishes I should find my stash of ECW&Q. Previous comment is correct, they do contain information on the smaller end of the fighting. I also should finish my first units for Pikeman's Lament. Then we can add Garry's clubmen, not to mention Vodkafan's troops and (maybe) drag JC into the fun. Worth a try at least.
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Flatpack, when my BIG TIDY finishes I should find my stash of ECW&Q. Previous comment is correct, they do contain information on the smaller end of the fighting. I also should finish my first units for Pikeman's Lament. Then we can add Garry's clubmen, not to mention Vodkafan's troops and (maybe) drag JC into the fun. Worth a try at least.
My troops are in the pipeline, pikemen are undercoated and musketeers on the way from Renegade ( don't know when they will get here) Command, Artillery piece and crew courtesy of the extensive has.been spare boxes. Yours are looking great!
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I use bases containing multiple 15mm minis....12 bases (with 6 pikemen/musketeer's) on each base makes Pikeman's Lament look like much more than just than a skirmish game. One pike unit with two flanking shot is an impressive looking 216 figures (compared with the usual 36 single 28mm figures). But a base of many 15mm figures is still a single base so it all still plays quickly and simply.
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Great work, can you explain the chickens?
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Not really, just added for effect and gave me a reason to paint them, instead of them just sitting in a bag for years, gathering dust.
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The dude sounds difficult :-I...
Too bad- the mechanics of the Rampant/Lament group of games are quite fun and with a bit of modding they could probably scale up to represent larger forces by combining activation rolls, using bases instead of individual figures, etc. If you can get someone else to play some games with you he can observe the rules in action and perhaps he will come around.
I second that! We modded PL to play a pirate game and we had much fun! After mastering a bit the mechanics, you can play a game with two vs two players with about 100 figures from each side and the rules have such a flexibility that allow you play any kind of scenario! ECW is offered for battles of any scale, many skirmishes and minor altercations are recorded involving a small number of troops. The same system is also offered to play easily a mini campaign. Just give it a try!
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Thanks for the advice on the rules.
I agree, playing it out is always the best way.
Just need to get more figures together now....
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Thanks for the advice on the rules.
I agree, playing it out is always the best way.
Just need to get more figures together now....
...and the chicken can be used as markers for wavering units lol
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Very good.....units turned chicken.
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Yeah that's clever. :D
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I love the idea of chickens on a Wavering marker for Pikeman's Lament! lol
The armoured pikemen look great. I've been distracted by scenery again but will have enough painted figures soon for one side of a full 24pt PL force; various bits have appeared in my LPL11 entries over the last few weeks. I also just got another small order from Warlord with another sprue of pike & shot, the priests/ranters for fun, and the generic mounted commander figure who should make a great low-level PL Officer.
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Really enjoyed building these Warlord ECW Cavalry.
Just need to get my act together and paint them.
Sure they will add flavour to the game.
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They look great! How do they compare sizewise with Bicorne?
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Dont know James as the foot troops I have are from Empress. But they do compare favourably to those.
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Planning on first game next weekend.
Slowly painting more figures, by adding a bit of paint every night.
Photos to follow of the progress so far.
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It looks like you'll being using individually based figures, but the friend could have some imagination and decide to scale his perspective up a bit.
Looking forward to seeing more of what you're up to here!
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Finally got round to painting more figures.
Undercoated the cavalry with Halfords camo brown, and mounted them on lolly sticks from a craft shop, so that I can pick them up and handle them easily.
Then painted horses in batches of three's. All nice and dark colours.
Final touch for that day was the horse blankets and a couple of metal helmets.
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Then the real deal for this past weekend, as I finished 24 musketeers, ready for the planned first game of Pikeman's lament this coming Sunday.
Talking to our expert on ECW, he's told me that uniforms were uncommon on the units, so I went for a 'mix and match' look on them. I must admit, it would have been easier going for one uniform for all, but at least this way I can use them as I want, as musketeers or forlorn hope.
On the photos I have combined them with the pikemans that I did earlier, as I think it gives a better look. Just need some standard bearers now.
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Finally an officer and old sarge, on the ale.
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Enjoy ;)
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And there was I thinking it would be impressive if I got my 12 Pike & 12 Muskets done in time for the weekend.
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And so it would be Pete. At this rate we can almost do Edge Hill at 1-1 scale...NOT.
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Very good paintjob! Especially the officer! :-*
Slowly but steadily, you are readying your forces...
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Wow liking those musketeers a lot! My pikemen are still only undercoated...
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The miniatures are looking great!
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Thanks for your kind comments gents.
Just need to lay the table out for Sunday's first game.
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Battlefield ready, and cavalry ready.
Laid out the battlefield for tomorrow mornings first ever game of pikemans lament.
Up early this morning to finish off the cavalry
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The countryside looks so peaceful before the battle....
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I can't wait to see it all in the 'flesh' tomorrow, and show off the Tower Hamlets.
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Looking really good. :D Your brush work is excellent, way beyond my own humble standard.
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PL is a great game. Tell your friend that he should give it a try. I agree that it is not what we imagine as the typical Musket & Pike battle, but truth be told, open battles were actually not that common. Even in ECW, that had its good share of battles, most soldiers experience would have been skirmishes and sieges rather than battles. Said that I don't think that it was a good idea to include pikemen in the army lists -rules' title notwithstanding!-. I have not a PL army painted (yet) but I have gamed it with my friends and we all agree that the game looks more "accurate" when troops types are Dragoons, Musketeers, Forlorn Hopes, or Horse, rather than Pikemen.
In the end it is just a game -and fun at that!- not a fastidious simulation of Musket & Pike combat.
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Despite his misgivings our friend did take part in our first game of PL.
Flatpack has taken pictures to prove it & as soon as he can they will grace this thread.
Spoiler alert.....
my Tower Hamlets (London Trained Bands) were not on the winning side.
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It was an interesting game with lots of surprises. The Tower Hamlets didn't go down easy...can't wait for the pics and the battle report. And many thanks to Mrs. Flatpack for the sausage butties.
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Here we go. First game with Pikemans lament. Took 3hrs to play a simple engagement but really good fun.
Prepare yourself for the "Battle of Much Piddling in the Marsh".
An early ECW battle pitching Parlimentarian veteran Tower Hamlett infantry "stuck" to a hill, supported by the worlds worst cannon, and some rabble from down the road on their left flank.
Up against them were the "keen as mustard" raw kings units of 2 units of pike, 2 units of musket, and 2 units of cavalry ( note here, We preferred to show the musket either side of the pike blocks, as we think they would have been seen during ECW, but when they come to firing, we fire them as one unit).
So on with the battle.
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Initial deployment. Parliamentarian forces on the hill, with cannon and rabble on their left.
Kings forces on the level ground in front of the hill.
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Tower Hamlets glued to the hill.
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Kings forces advance to the hill.
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Kings cavalry advance on Parliamentarian rabble.
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Overall view of the battle with Kings pike blocks advancing and musketeers taking some incoming fire.
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Royalist musketeers waivering or going chicken - see we used the chickens, did you see what we did there ;)
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Royalist cavalry actually get charged by the Parliamentarian rabble WHAT ?? it was the only good thing the rabble could do.
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The rabble won't be doing that again, as the glorious Royal cavalry cut them to pieces.
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Bottom left hand corner, here come the Royalist cavalry to outflank the Tower Hamlett Hillbillies. Notice the Parliamentarian's still have their cannon at this stage, but due to poor dice rolls, it was just taking up space, as it only fired once during the whole game.
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Now here come the red Royalist pikeblock, to outflank the Parliamentary forces. Don't think it works, hiding 12 pikemen behind just 2 trees, but we will try anything just to get some cover .LOL
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Almost closing time on Tower Hamlett Hill. Cavalry in the rear....oh err misses, and fresh blue boy pike charging up the hill too.
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Tower Hamletts twist and turn, but who should they defend themselves against first ?
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Tower Hamletts -GAME OVER.
Superior Royal Raw units take the day for the king, and the battle is over.
Great game, played in the right spirit.
One of our few, still wasn't happy with the rules, so we agreed, but only after rolling poor dice :o
Really the rules are good, nice and simple, and we got a conclusion in the 3 hrs.
Great thanks to Has.been and vodkafan.
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Great report! Thanks for posting it.
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Great report! Looks fantastic. Played a couple of games on Friday, I really like these rules. I now want to play a mini campaign using the officer progression rules at some point in the not too distant future.
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Thanks for posting this so quickly. I prefer to say that my Tower Hamlets' side were in the top two (spin is not a new thing)
Some points:
I had great fun;
My Officer DID win a duel ! ;
This has got me painting, & getting troops on the table, for ECW (first time in over 30 years)
For those interested both sides each came to 19pts;
I paid 6 points for that big doorstop (can't really call it a cannon) the same as two of your pike blocks ! and
I second the thanks to your lovely wife, for the sausage & bacon butties.
Note to self.... paint some cavalry & more muskets.
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Mrs Flatpack is very grateful for your thanks. Lets hope she runs the NAFI every game.
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Good report and excellent photos!
I like these rules so far. One thing I have learnt the hard way is I will think twice next time about accepting a duel...the consequences of losing a duel can be catastrophic, the resulting blow to troop morale made all my muskets run away.
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That all looks great, including the collection of funny hats to inflict on everyone!
The table looks just about perfect, just enough terrain to be interesting and force some tactical choices without getting in the way, and it looks right for what (little...) I know of the landscape of the era.
Are all the trees homemade or did you get them from somewhere? I have nowhere near enough trees in my scenery collection and those look good.
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Hi!
I enjoyed very much your report - and the good use of the chicken! lol lol
You had much fun, I'm sure!
Very nice terrain and pictures!
Your narration radiates such energy an good mood, I wish I were there!
The more I play, the more I feel addicted and eager to play through all the scenarios proposed in the book.
Although my experience with TPL is limited to only six games, I dare to share with you the following points:
- Clubmen are just a points filler. It is better to keep them sitting in some strategically placed bad going from where they could throw things to passers by :)
- You will have tons of more fun, as soon as you will have painted all sorts of units, so as to create two opposing armies with balanced forces (both to have cavalry, skirmishers etc).
-Including an upgraded gun in your forces, doesn't help much, especially when you have few other units for close support. Besides this, it has a limited arc of fire and if dice don't help... :-[ In one of our games, I recklessly advanced a regimental gun to the middle of the table and it was caught in crossfire by two units of detached shot and dispatched soon...
-Royalist quantity overwhelmed Parliamentarian quality.
-The Parliamentarian force was defensively designed, but not having some skirmish groups to delay the Royalist advance, was not able to take advantage of its position on higher ground, as it became surrounded.
-As it will take you some more time to augment your forces with new units, I dare propose the following:
Play a variation of the same game, going up to 24 points, for example:
Parliamentarians: Break the 12 Shot figures to two units of Forlorn Hope, @6 points each. One unit of Pikes and one Regimental Gun @4 points each. Baptize your clubmen to clansmen and add a hero, 3+1=4 points. 24 points total. No need to add more figures! The Royalists have a wider choice of upgrades. I bet it will be a more balanced game!
And last:
-In such an age of chivalry, if you do not accept a duel challenge, do paint more chicken markers lol
Excuse me if I talked too much (saying silly things worsens the signal to noise ratio), I just wanted to share with you my enthusiasm for this sort of games and wish you much more fun for your next PL battle!
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TPL isn't designed for playing field battles. Like its progenitor, Lion Rampant, it's supposed to be used for scenario-based skirmishes at the outpost warfare level. I see too many groups misapplying rule sets in the LR stable, then often complaining when they don't do well a job they weren't designed for. While you might have perceived your first attempt as a success (shear novelty was probably a factor in that perception), if you continue to attempt to stretch it by using it for that style of game its weakness as a formal mass battles system will soon become only too apparent.
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Chaps,
Thanks for the comments.
Dinthedin, I like the way you have thought that through, and it gives us other avenues to explore, without painting tons more figures (nice).
Leigh, thanks for the comment on the way we deployed the rules, but come on old boy, it's only a bit of fun.
I agree that the novelty will wear off, but that's the same with everything.
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Wirelizard
The trees were bought from a company called "The last valley" in the U.K.
The firm itself is at most major U.K. shows, but doesnt have a website.
In fact the stand sells out really quickly of trees and other scenic items, even before the doors open, as most demo game organisers want this companies trees on their tables, so it is the norm to turn up as the doors open, and half their stock has already gone :o
The little orchard trees are some old commercially available ones for railways, that I bought in the US a few years ago, and rebated just reciently.
Hope this helps.
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Chaps,
Thanks for the comments.
Dinthedin, I like the way you have thought that through, and it gives us other avenues to explore, without painting tons more figures (nice).
I'm very glad if any of my comments helped... As you play more and more, you may shift from simple table setups to scenarios, not only those written in the book, but also of your own device. The point is to create scenarios which may award you honor by accomplishing some tasks, this may offer you extra motivation and fun! One kind of interesting scenarios may be what I call "you can't protect three pieces of cake with only two hands". I mean a setup with multiple tasks, which, given the limited time and resources you can't accomplish all.
If you didn't happen to throw a look, here is a Pikeman's Lament scenario we played and we had great fun, it may throw some more ideas on the table.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=100417.120
(scenario starting from p.9)
Cheers!
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As long as, as Din suggests, you start and then keep inventing new, interesting skirmish (in the military sense) scenarios there should be no problem maintaining the novelty. Happy lamenting :).
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Wirelizard
The trees were bought from a company called "The last valley" in the U.K.
The firm itself is at most major U.K. shows, but doesnt have a website.
In fact the stand sells out really quickly of trees and other scenic items, even before the doors open, as most demo game organisers want this companies trees on their tables, so it is the norm to turn up as the doors open, and half their stock has already gone :o
The little orchard trees are some old commercially available ones for railways, that I bought in the US a few years ago, and rebated just reciently.
Hope this helps.
I've heard of The Last Valley, but as a Canadian on the far left-hand side of Canada, there's a continent and an ocean between me and the possibility of getting to a UK show where they might (perhaps...) not be sold out of their very nice trees!
Fascinating that they don't even have a basic website, it being 2017 and all, but clearly they're already reaching their target market and are as popular as they need to be!
Good advice on skirmish scenarios vs set-piece battles, Dinthedin and Leigh. I like the look of the scenarios included in Pikeman's Lament and want to try them out as soon as possible, myself.
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I've heard of The Last Valley, but as a Canadian on the far left-hand side of Canada, there's a continent and an ocean between me and the possibility of getting to a UK show where they might (perhaps...) not be sold out of their very nice trees!
Fascinating that they don't even have a basic website, it being 2017 and all, but clearly they're already reaching their target market and are as popular as they need to be!
Good advice on skirmish scenarios vs set-piece battles, Dinthedin and Leigh. I like the look of the scenarios included in Pikeman's Lament and want to try them out as soon as possible, myself.
I've heard they used to have a web site, but I think they had problems, so dropped the idea.
As you say, they must be happy with the money they bring in at the shows.
I think they are a one man band if you know what I mean.
From looking at the trees, they use horse hair, twigs from the garden and they look very effective indeed.
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Hi there,
I was enjoying our conversation and I'm really very, very sorry about the Photobucket issue.
I understand that many fellows have lost access to their pictures and are now benumbed.
Waiting to hear from you soon, if you open a new PL thread, please inform.
Wishing you all the best,
Dinos
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Hi there,
I was enjoying our conversation and I'm really very, very sorry about the Photobucket issue.
I understand that many fellows have lost access to their pictures and are now benumbed.
Waiting to hear from you soon, if you open a new PL thread, please inform.
Wishing you all the best,
Dinos
Dinos, thanks for the note.
Yes really done for with photobucket.
I will see what other options are out there, and let you know what happens.
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Dinos, thanks for the note.
Yes really done for with photobucket.
I will see what other options are out there, and let you know what happens.
As we are about the same level of rules learning, it is good not to lose momentum and continue sharing thoughts and interesting points. I am preparing a new PL scenario to be played hopefuly on Saturday, I'll post as soon as it happens.
Keep up Pike Lamenting :)
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Andy sells stuff on his site too:
https://www.facebook.com/The-Last-Valley-156158031109215/
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Trailing imgur to see if I can get pics back in.
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Trailing imgur to see if I can get pics back in.
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Eagerly waiting to see you coming back in full force!!
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You'll need to keep your fingers crossed as it didnt work...still looking into it, and we are talking about another game of Pikeman's in a couple of weeks, so need it sorted by then.
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Does this work ?
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After photobucket funked, I have gone thro post image to replace the photos.
Here are the final products of the ecw cavalry.
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Welcome back! They look great and ready for battle!
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Might be back on the warpath.
One of our chaps is looking to put together a large ECW game for next February, which means we will all start banging figures out again.
I’ll keep you all informed with how we get on.
At least we have plenty of time to prepare, but I’m sure it will come down to a last minute rush again. I think that’s part of the hobby isn’t it ?
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As photobucket let me down so much on this thread, just thought I would post a couple of the early photos again, showing how this all started.
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This is very good news! Cheers!
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"Banging out" figures probably doesn't best describe my painting progress, but I will have a couple of units done at least by February....do we have a date for the game Bob?
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Towards the end of Feb.
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Yes the 'last minute rush' IS part of the excitement.
Who doesn't remember keeping a unit in reserve, not for any tactical reason, but simply because the varnish was still drying.
On one occasion I stayed up late, 10:00pm! Well I was eleven. To paint Airfix French Napoleonic horse teams, so I would have tactical mobility during the next day's battle. Boy did I laugh (not really) the next morning to find I had not used Humbrol gloss Black, but Dark Blue on all the horses.
Bob I hope to sort out some more ECW over the Christmas break.
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Warlord plastic ecw cavalry photos.
This unit now has been “raced and rallied”, and actually did quite well, but they were only chasing villagers off the table lol
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Great new additions to your army!
The villagers are extremely useful for many scenarios!
Cheers!
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Warlord plastic ecw cavalry photos.
This unit now has been “raced and rallied”, and actually did quite well, but they were only chasing villagers off the table lol
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I remember that! The peasants got scattered in all directions like ninepins! :)
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The villagers did hold the cavalry up for a good quarter of an hour!
14 minutes laughing & then the cavalry charged.
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Ok back on the case.
After a month being unable to post pictures for some unknown reason, I’m back on the case with ECW.
Here are the pics from a couple of weeks ago.
Trying to get more figuresfinished this weekend.
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Looking good for the big bash in two weeks.
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Excellent!
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The good news is that we see you on the move again! Cheers!
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New buildings completed for the big game in two weeks time.
Buildings made by Blotz of mdf.
They’ve come out quite nice.
They will all go to form the little village of “Cunningham on the Marsh”.
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They really came out very nice!
An excellent addition for your wargaming table! Cheers!
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They look great! Good job on assembling and painting those.
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Your painting of those MDF buildings is to be commended. I particularly like the bases you have added.
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Thanks for the nice comments.
The bases are part of the model i.e. thats how they come, with the stone bases.
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As is becoming the 'norm.' for you, excellent work Bob.
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Nice stuff all around!
I recognize your pike as the Warlord plastic, but who makes the musketeers? I don't recognize them at all.
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The figures are a combination of Warlord plastics and Empress.
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In preparation for next weeks game, last night I set out the terrain, and lined up the new boys on the block.
I have now completed another 50 foot figures, thus doubling my total ECW count.
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:o :o I better get mine finished quick pass me more Pro Plus tablets...
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Fresh troops on parade.
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James, steady on the tablets.🤣
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As for my contribution....
there is an English Civil War term that is appropriate..... 'Forlorn Hope'
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Wow! You are building a massive army! We are going to see a big game! Cheers!
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So all set for Saturdays battle for Cunningham in the Marsh.
Table sorted, buildings built, figures finished (except the last six personalities that I need to varnish this afternoon). Beer bought, rules dusted off, bacon and sausages bought, all we need now are the players.....
James, and Pete.....how’s your prep going ?
No sleepless nights I hope.
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This project is looking fantastic. A nice job on those buildings, I've been impressed with the products I have bought from Blotz.
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So all set for Saturdays battle for Cunningham in the Marsh.
Table sorted, buildings built, figures finished (except the last six personalities that I need to varnish this afternoon). Beer bought, rules dusted off, bacon and sausages bought, all we need now are the players.....
James, and Pete.....how’s your prep going ?
No sleepless nights I hope.
Finishing units off today....I might have to drop a unit 6 Commanded Shot
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I have only managed 12 more musketeers, but that does bring Tower Hamlets regiment, of the London Trained Bands,
up to full strength (36 figures). Oh, and I will bring along that impressive (NOT) artillery from last time.
I shall however make up for the deficit of troops, by eating more than my fair share of bacon butties. Remember 'An army
marches on its stomach' So I have a lot of marching capability.
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So here we go, the battle of Cunningham in the marsh.
Rules, as ever, Pikemans Lament.
Played last Saturday morning, to honour our oldest player, John Cunningham on his birthday.
As you will see, cards, cakes, plaques, bacon and sausage butties, and plenty of beer, all came to a head.
Let’s set the scene....
The village of Cunningham in the marsh, is held by a bunch of club men armed with a cannon, and plenty of supplies.
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The royalists were lined up on the right.
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The parliamentarians were lined up on the left (ie closer to the village)
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The opening moves see foolish Royalist cavalry ride forward, straight onto the pikes of the Parliamentarians....you don’t want to do that !
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Then the battle really gets going with the Royalist forces advancing, with the Parliamentarian forces holding their ground. Royalist forces even deployed the yellow peril gun...
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And they also got to fire some proper kit too..
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This is as close to the village that the Royalist forces got. One dry stone wall away from victory before we were driven off..
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This left the tattered Royalist forces looking a little shabby in the middle of the battlefield...with at least an officer on horseback, who can later tell of his daring do.
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Victorious Parliamentarian cavalry then rode into Cunningham in the March, to fill their bellies.
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All in all a great game, and good fun had by all.
Here’s a picture of the gang before the game.
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And look what happens when the beer and butties turn up....game stops.
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Finally a picture of the man himself. John Cunningham, at 80 years young (and his new plaque on the wall)
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I hope you enjoy this write up as much as we enjoyed the game..
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The blue "heritage" plaque is hilarious and the game looks huge and great fun.
In Pikeman's Lament points, how big was each side?
Also, where are the halftimber buildings from? I kind of recognize them but there's so much lasercut kit out there these days...
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The blue "heritage" plaque is hilarious and the game looks huge and great fun.
In Pikeman's Lament points, how big was each side?
Also, where are the halftimber buildings from? I kind of recognize them but there's so much lasercut kit out there these days...
Yes the plaque got a round of applause when it was revealed.
Didn't go on the points system, as John was just asking for a BIG game of ECW as he didn't want a skirmish.
The buildings are brill and come from Blotz. They did take a few hours to make, but I think they came out really good in the end. Did follow their instructions and painted the white inserts while they were still flatpack.
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Flatpack is right we didn't organise it on a points system, we didn't know exactly what people would manage to get done in time.
Bragging rights go to Vodkafan who stayed up to the early hours the morning of the battle to finish some troops.
In the best traditions of the ECW several cavalry units completely failed to make it to the battlefield (lack of Sat-Nav).
we sorted it out so it looked about right.
The points (I have now worked out) were:-
ROYALISTS 2x Gallopers; 3x Pikes; 3x Muskets; 1x Commanded Shot; 1x Reg. Gun & 1x Field Gun. (Total points 44)
PARLIAMENTARY 2x Pikes; 2x Muskets; Tower Hamlets Reg (Vets) 1x Pikes & 2x Muskets (Total points 34)
A double 6 on an activation, followed by another 6 (page 31) meant we were entitled to 4pts of reinforcements.
Flatpack (wonderful host that he is) offered a 'dead' unit of cavalry for us to use. We decided to classify them
'Trotters' and it is those who entered the village at the end of the game.
VILLAGERS 1x villagers & 1x regimental gun (Total points 5)
We played a slight variation of mission 'I' (Foraging at the village). The Gun, being old & unreliable, would blow up if the activation
dice was a double one. The scenario says that the will not retreat, they must be routed or wiped out. It turned out to be the later,
but they managed to all but destroy our only veteran unit, Tower Hamlets, i.e. half our army points !!!!!
A close run thing, many laughs & much fun.
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Lovely stuff and a fun game. I've spent the last week or so pouring over the PL rulebook again to come up with WSS ratings and my plan for units. This thread has helped keep the motivation going!
Chris
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Wow...80 years and still gaming skirmish games...great stuff...:)
I wish I will be that cool when I am getting there. erm I mean if....;)
Cheers,
Don