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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Smokeyrone on July 07, 2017, 02:11:40 AM
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Another long time project, the Third Ashanti War, in 15mm, is on my shelves. So far, I have a ton of trees and jungle terrain, some neat Ashanti buildings, a Coastal fort and what not that have waited for years.
Figures. No dedicated Ashanti's, and frankly, no adequate proxies. No Ashanti War British (in the unique uniforms they used, being a lot more casual). I guess the Fanti allies are now available (various native porters and generic auxiliaries).
I talked to Ian, at Irregular, and he says he will do his best to make up a 100 figure Ashanti Army (They are resourceful and imaginative at Irregular)and I'm game, but I want real, accurate Ashantis....
Anyone attempt this genre? Anyone find answers?
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Well, Irregular does have Ashanti figures - or purported to be so. I'm not that familiar with the conflict to be able to say. Just know they are Big figures compared to many other 15 mm figures. Fit fine with the likes of Old Glory's 18 mm ranges and probably okay with Essex but they'd dwarf Peter Pig (not that any of those have any Ashanti - though do check the natives in OG25s Darkest Africa range for possibilities.)
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Well, Irregular does have Ashanti figures - or purported to be so. I'm not that familiar with the conflict to be able to say. Just know they are Big figures compared to many other 15 mm figures. Fit fine with the likes of Old Glory's 18 mm ranges and probably okay with Essex but they'd dwarf Peter Pig (not that any of those have any Ashanti - though do check the natives in OG25s Darkest Africa range for possibilities.)
They have ONE figure, with sword and cape. :) But four different head variations :)
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I sent a strongl recommendation email to a major 15s manufacturer, laying out the packs we need (really only a few: British infantry in homespun, Fanti allies in very basic attire, a pack of Asahanti musketmen, and a Ashanti command pack.
Bip, Bop, Boop! 4 packs, and you OWN the monopoly on the 15mm Ashanti War genre!
(lets see if I have any pull ) :)
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Perhaps the reason for the figure issue is interest? :) :) :)
Maybe I am the only one dreaming of Ashanti games in 15mm. :)
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Interest is a funny old thing. Nobody was interested in pre-colonial East Africa until Chris Peers and Mark Copplestone created a craze out of nothing. A "craze" that is still going strong years later.
If someone made a killer figure range and the idea was promoted with glossy photos, and magazine or web articles and interesting scenarios you might suddenly find a lot of people interested who never realised they gave a damn before. I think the figures are key, though. Really good figures inspire people to collect them. Then they start looking for stuff to do with them.
Of course, if you are a figure manufacturer, you take an awful big risk assuming it will all work out this way. So mostly they stick to stuff they know will sell.
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Unless the company is so successful, and has such a reputation for quality, that anything it makes will walk off the shelves/out of the warehouse, and the owners have the freedom to produce comprehensive figure ranges for obscure, non-mainstream subjects that primarily indulge their personal whims ... which is why I'm pinning my hopes on Perry Miniatures 40mm range for that long, long overdue colonial Australia skirmish range.
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Good points. And in 15mm, its kinda different. Not so much excitement over beautiful figures, I think.
But, as I earlier mentioned, in 15mm, we are talking about a pack of Ashantis, a pack of British infantry, and as icing, Fanti allies. Not so much a large scale undertaking, and all packs would be very useful for many Colonial gaming genres.
Whats the math? 5-10 Ashanti sculpts, as little as two British infantry sculpts, include Fantis or not. 2 grand for sculpts? Hey......maybe.....I..... :)
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Good points. And in 15mm, its kinda different. Not so much excitement over beautiful figures, I think.
Unfortunately, I think you are right about that. Maybe it's because 15mm is more about massed ranks of figures (at least that's where I think the scale shines), the individual figure is not quite so important. To be honest I don't recall the last time I saw a 15mm individual figure and was blown away by it. But a whole painted army, that's a different matter.
I almost feel that the Ashanti War is possibly more suited to a skirmish-type game, which is more in 28mm's bailiwick.
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I would like to do the Ashanti war, preferably in 15mm.
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Surely if you're in Nottingham then you must be a figure manufacturer? Can't you make your own, and make some for Smokey while you're about it?
(I jest.)
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I do games and articles, sadly ;)
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Unfortunately, I think you are right about that. Maybe it's because 15mm is more about massed ranks of figures (at least that's where I think the scale shines), the individual figure is not quite so important. To be honest I don't recall the last time I saw a 15mm individual figure and was blown away by it. But a whole painted army, that's a different matter.
I almost feel that the Ashanti War is possibly more suited to a skirmish-type game, which is more in 28mm's bailiwick.
When us `15mm fans are "Blown Away", its because of a new line, NOT the individual sculpts! Russ emailed me, said BM would have a Boxer line. I jumped for joy, and said "Take my money!" unseen. :)
Yes, The Third Ashanti war is perfect for 28mm skirmish, but just as perfect for 15mm TSATF skirmish! If you read TSATF rules, you would already know! :) :) :)
Standard gaming play: Objective is to converge on Kumasi. Very dense jungle, a narrow, recently made "road", with Ashanti's infesting the jungle using shoot and scoot tactics, with Brit units separated and subject to all sorts of harm. Typical Darkest Africa, yes? MADE for TSATF! :)
Anyhoo, a couple poses of british infantry in casual dress, and Ashanti's with muskets, and everything else needed is most likely already on every gamer's shelf.
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Another answer could be to do it in 6mm ... blog report here:
http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.com/2016/12/2nd-ashanti-war-amoaful-1874.html
and more photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127771552@N03/sets/72157676679073820
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
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Another answer could be to do it in 6mm ... blog report here:
http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.com/2016/12/2nd-ashanti-war-amoaful-1874.html
and more photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127771552@N03/sets/72157676679073820
Chris
Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
Very cool! That is a good looking set up!
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Very cool! That is a good looking set up!
Cheers, Smokeyrone! All credit goes to Dr Mark Smith, who is our group's resident colonial enthusiast and runs some great games for us. The terrain and troops are all his (including the Scots Covenanters conscripted into the Ashanti ranks as he didn't have quite enough Ashanti).
Chris
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Yes, The Third Ashanti war is perfect for 28mm skirmish, but just as perfect for 15mm TSATF skirmish! If you read TSATF rules, you would already know! :) :) :)
Well, I have read them, and played them. But for me 15mm and skirmish aren't that good a fit. It lacks a certain something. Just as I wouldn't try and fight the battle of the Alma in 28mm (I don't have a big enough table), I'm not really into 15mm skirmish. Each to his own of course, but I simply feel 15mm's strengths lie elsewhere. But good luck and have fun!
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Understand Plynkes argument but respectfully disagree. One can skirmish in any scale and 15 mm is a good one for it, smallest scale where individual figures stand out. The trick is doing skirmish on a very small table - it is a skirmish, after all. Or a very large skirmish with scads of figures can work, too. Having said all that, I'm personally not a big fan of skirmish gaming, even for my beloved French and Indian War - when done (getting closer) I'll have 28 companies with about 42 figures per company plus lots of gunners, casualties, civilians and native villagers (and, fitting with my bestial quirk, lots of animals).
Now, as to being impressed by a 15 mm or, in this case, 18 mm, my benchmark is Blue Moon's Sherlock Holmes figure (found in the Horror range) which is one of the best figures I've ever seen in any scale all the way up to 54 mm. It is a spectacular sculpt. Here is a link to group picture from the pack: http://www.bluemoonmanufacturing.com/view_product.php?product=15HOR-114 (http://www.bluemoonmanufacturing.com/view_product.php?product=15HOR-114). I know it is hard to see in such small size as a group shot but it is truly lovely work.