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Miniatures Adventure => Adventures in the Far East => Topic started by: Osmoses on July 12, 2017, 10:21:05 PM
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Some pics from a recent 6mm Sengoku Jidai game. The rules used were a version of 'Pulse of Battle.' Each 5 base unit represents a mix of troop types and weapons, the actual figures on the bases that make up the units isn't significant. All the units are essentially the same. The two armies are Oda and Mori.
The Oda deployed in foreground. The Mori advance in the background.
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Maeda Toshiie with some Hashiba troops march past a shrine:
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View from the Oda left:
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The Oda centre. The Mori appear on the horizon
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Mori Terumoto in his honjin, surrounded by Mori troops.
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Kobayakawa clan arrive on the Mori left.
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As Maeda and Kobayakawa fight over the bridge, Oda Nobutada leads his men forward.
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Fierce fighting as Maeda drive back the Kobayakawa
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A lull in the fighting as the Kobayakawa fall back to regroup
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Meanwhile, in the centre, The Mori main force attack the Oda centre. Oda teppo open fire.
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Maeda gains the upper hand against Kobayakawa and force them from the field.
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With the Kobayakawa routed, Maeda turns on the Kikkawa in the Mori centre. The Oda advance and the Mori collapse:
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Lovely :)
cheers
James
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excellent battle report and pictures.
The figures are simply beautiful.
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I concur, this looks fantastic. Love the terrain too!
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Superb!!! :)
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Beautiful looking game. Am I right in thinking you've got some farmers in your fields? Architectural miniatures?
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Yes, they're still working away displaying admirable stoicism. The figures are actually GHQ Vietnamese civilians. I couldn't find anyone else doing Oriental civilians in 6mm.
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I DO like to see Momoyama battles that actually look like battles, not a punch-up outside the Fugu-and-Chips stall. And in 6mm - gad, you're brave!
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Wow. this is just AWESOME! Plus you re using one of my favorite rule sets. I have a ton of painted 20mm-1/72 Samurai. Just no rule set. Is this POB variant posted anywhere? I would love to see it.
Thanks,
John
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Well done. The table and figures look fantastic!
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Wow. this is just AWESOME! Plus you re using one of my favorite rule sets. I have a ton of painted 20mm-1/72 Samurai. Just no rule set. Is this POB variant posted anywhere? I would love to see it.
Thanks,
John
Thanks. There's not much to the rules variant, the biggest thing was I changed it to work on a grid for movement. Otherwise it's standard PoB. Each unit is essentially the same 'combined arms' entity, average values are C10 D8 and each unit shoots with a D8 (short range 1 square, long range 2).
Each army has a Messenger marker or two, these are allocated to commanders on a command card. The 'Move 1 command' card then means that you can move 1 command that has an attached messenger.
The Tactical Advantage card is replaced by a 'Bushi' card. This can be played to end a combat after one round, prevent an opponent following up or to give a die shift at the start of a combat. There's a duelling mini-game that's then played in order for the chosen mode to succeed. (Many of the anecdotal acts of heroism in the Sengoku accounts are to do with what are essentially rearguard actions).
I think I'm going to work on a non-PoB version but if that doesn't work, then PoB is a decent fall-back.
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Another village base added.
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Very impressive looking figs and game. Looks like a real battle. :)
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This is awesome :o
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Hashiba Hideyoshi:
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Great work. Love the basing.
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:o :o
Wonderfully visual terrain and figures, especially those fields with villagers tending them
Love it!
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But in 6mm?
You are obviously quite mad, sir.
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Haha. I did a few hundred in 15mm and I have to say I find that the 6mm are much easier. No wire spears and sashimono to glue, no decals, no sandals etc etc
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One of the other things 6mm lets you do is reconstruct large units in 1:1 scale. This is a 700-man unit based on the one on the Kawanakajima Kassen Byobu showing a Takeda unit, via a diagram in "Die Samurai der Sengoku-Zeit 1" by T. Weber. This illustrates the interaction between relatively small units of differently armed troops in this period. Here, missile troops are 5 figures per base, ashigaru spear are in 2 ranks of 5 per base, and samurai are in 2 ranks of 4 per base. Mounted samurai have 2 mounted figures per base along with 4 foot attendants.
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Very impressive!
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Looks amazing!!! Great work!
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Brilliant! :)
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Thanks.
I've made some more village bases using buildings by Mura Miniatures and a couple from Castle Arts (which are roughly similar in size despite being nominally 10mm). The torii is also by Castle Arts, which is very nice though a little big. Civilians are GHQ Vietnam civilians. These are actually poseable to some extent so you can have them bowing or pointing. Anyway, here's some pics of the buildings along with some fields and forest bases. All bases are 10cm squares.
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Description of the process of making the bases here:
https://wargamesasp.wordpress.com/2017/12/29/6mm-japanese-village-bases-for-sengoku-jidai/ (https://wargamesasp.wordpress.com/2017/12/29/6mm-japanese-village-bases-for-sengoku-jidai/)
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Lovely work.
Your terrain must be a joy and delight to play on.
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That is a beautiful looking table.
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Mura terrain?
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Yes, Mura buildings. Except the shrine and one of the village house which are Castle Arts.
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Very attractive.
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The vilage and vilagers look great, is it a modular layout or just broken up for convenience?
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Really cool stuff! Where did you get those hills from?
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Amazing work. I've just found this thread. And each set of pictures is better than the last.
I do like what you have done to arrange the 700 man unit. It very much has the look of a European tercio style formations.
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The vilage and vilagers look great, is it a modular layout or just broken up for convenience?
The bases can sort of fit together coherently, but most of the time they'll be split up on the table.
Really cool stuff! Where did you get those hills from?
Thanks. The hills are from Kallistra, from their 'non-hex terrain' range. They're hollow plastic so they stack for storage, and they're reasonably priced. I really like them, but they only do one set of normal hills and one set of 'cliff' hills. I'm looking for similar ones elsewhere, but no luck yet.
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So, a second battle done. This time using an adaptation of the board game 'Tenkatoitsu.' Turned out to be a great game and has finally made my mind up about which rules to use for Sengoku Jidai battles.
Report is here:
https://wargamesasp.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/6mm-sengoku-jidai-battle-with-tenkatoitsu/ (https://wargamesasp.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/6mm-sengoku-jidai-battle-with-tenkatoitsu/)
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Lovely seeing it all on the table!
Also quite interesting how you have adapted a hex based board game to a miniature wargame!
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It was reasonably straightforward as we were using a grid for movement. There might be an issue down the line with battlefield size. Our units are bigger in relation to our table size than the counters are to the hex board in the original game. But we shall see how it goes. There's a bit more of an explanation here:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/tenkatoitsu-the-holy-grail-of-sengoku-jidai-battle-rules/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/01/10/tenkatoitsu-the-holy-grail-of-sengoku-jidai-battle-rules/)
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Osmoses, just wanted to say simply incredible. I have reading your blog for awhile and enjoy the great detail you provide in the quest to find the perfect sengoku wargame. I have been reading Tenkatoitsu for a little bit now and find it amusing that you found them too.
One of the frustrating things about gaming this era is the scant information since due to all the war at the time no one was really writing down the history; it wasn't until mostly the Edo period where people started "recording" the sengoku information, but by then it was roughly 100 years too late and as seen through the lens of the Tokugawa victors. Congrats on coming the closest I have yet seen to credible sengoku massed battle wargames. Really incredible work.
Keep it up and keep blogging since it is good reading to see all yr progress. best wishes.
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Thanks very much dddd9. It's been a long journey. I'm 'Rabelais' over on TMP, btw, and I remember our discussion some time ago.
As you say, it is very difficult getting a handle on Sengoku warfare. The research in the West has been rather poor, with anecdotes and Edo-period anachronisms finding their way into the history. The gaming genre is filled with cliches that more properly belong in other periods of Japanese history, or are flat-out myths. Paradoxically, a lot of these cliches are what makes the genre so attractive I think. There's a load of material available in Japanese of course, but no-one is going to be translating it any time soon. And there aren't many Western academics that are interested in Japanese military history, Thomas Conlon and Karl Friday are about it afaik. Ultimately, like any wargaming genre, it comes down to finding a set of rules that represent the period as you personally think it was like. For me, Tenkatoitsu is way above anything else. Others may disagree.
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We played a second game of Tenkatoitsu. This time using bigger bases, which made the game move a lot quicker.
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/02/01/a-second-game-with-tenkatoitsu/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/02/01/a-second-game-with-tenkatoitsu/)
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Great report, and very tempted by 6mm
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Good looking games :)
cheers
James
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Osmoses, yeah I knew you are Rabelais and also recall our discussions. You gave me some help towards fashioning my own set of rules. It was always a good discussion and I am glad you've made such good progress; I, on the other hand, not as much haha.
I think I am jealous of your productivity. You are now rebasing while I am more like just getting started. Do you care to tell me your basing dimensions and figure distribution that you use currently?
I am glad you are so prolific these days and enjoy your recent blog posts. Have you thought of creating a campaign scenario, ie multiple interlocking battles, with your new setup and rules?
best wishes
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Hi Saw this report and very excited to get going on my pile of 10mm figures. I do have a few questions for you.
First, are you just using the numbers from the counters in the game on your larger bases?
I talked about using the Killer Katanas scenario books, do you have any thoughts on how best to use this. You mentioned using each 100 men as a strength point, but what are your thoughts on number of figures per point?
I had thought of using bases per strength point but as you mentioned on TMP that is a lot of figures and a lot of bases, what I think I will look at is to figure out ground scale to determine number of bases then go from there to make the bases. Do you have any thoughts on that for using 10mm bases.
I must say the idea of using multiple bases is about being able to use other rules, but the more I read your battle description I am thinking more and more that your solution for large bases is the way to go.
By the way the game is still avalable as a board game from Hexim and they are fast at shipping. https://www.hexasim.com/en/
William
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I think I am jealous of your productivity. You are now rebasing while I am more like just getting started. Do you care to tell me your basing dimensions and figure distribution that you use currently?
I am glad you are so prolific these days and enjoy your recent blog posts. Have you thought of creating a campaign scenario, ie multiple interlocking battles, with your new setup and rules?
best wishes
The base sizes are 95mm x 70mm. This is so they fit in a 10cm square with enough room for a commander or other markers. The rebased versions have 6 of my old bases on them, so there's around 50 figures. The newer ones will be similar. There isn't really a set formula for the figure types, especially not now I'm using counters to indicate the unit stats, but I'm planning on having slightly fewer figures for minor clans, less guns, fewer mounted etc. Basically it'll be based on front line missiles, 2nd line long spears, 3rd line samurai with command group in the centre or rear.
6mm has been a bit of a revelation for me, and has enabled some big projects to get going quickly. I used to hate painting them, but once I got the hang of it I've become one of those zealous converts. Printing the sashimono has been a massive time-saver too. Decals would have been a nightmare.
A campaign framework is something I definitely want to do eventually, but I've not really spent any time on it. I've started on an 'army generator' which will generate an army of various sized clans with different stats etc. But that's a pretty easy thing to do.
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Hi Saw this report and very excited to get going on my pile of 10mm figures. I do have a few questions for you.
First, are you just using the numbers from the counters in the game on your larger bases?
I talked about using the Killer Katanas scenario books, do you have any thoughts on how best to use this. You mentioned using each 100 men as a strength point, but what are your thoughts on number of figures per point?
I had thought of using bases per strength point but as you mentioned on TMP that is a lot of figures and a lot of bases, what I think I will look at is to figure out ground scale to determine number of bases then go from there to make the bases. Do you have any thoughts on that for using 10mm bases.
I must say the idea of using multiple bases is about being able to use other rules, but the more I read your battle description I am thinking more and more that your solution for large bases is the way to go.
By the way the game is still avalable as a board game from Hexim and they are fast at shipping. https://www.hexasim.com/en/
William
Essentially, the numbers are from the counters. This last game used the stats from some of the units in the Yamazaki scenario. But I'm going to do an army generator which will generate armies with unit stats based on the spread of stats in the game. So poorer or more rustic clans will have more of the 0-1-1 units, while the 1-2-4 units will be more likely in 'richer' clans. It's a work in progress at the moment.
I guess the number of figures per strength point depends on how many figures you want to use. Thinking about it again, maybe around 200 men per point would be better for the KK scenarios. In 10mm maybe a squad of 5 figures per point? It's hard to say really as it depends on your available space and how many figures you want to paint. We use a 10cm grid, so we have 15 squares of depth which feels like just about enough at the moment. If you used 75mm bases, then you could get more squares in which might be more useful if you go for really big battles down the road. If you're using measures, then you have a bit more flexibility as you can have units of movement close to your base-sizes, e.g. I could probably use 8cm movement increments with my bases and thereby increase the size of the battlefield in terms of move distances. The key is to hit the best compromise between total number of figures you can realistically finish, your available space and the look you want your bases to have. It's worth spending a lot of time getting that compromise right IMO, saves time rebasing later on.........
I would say having large bases with the unit stats on them has been a massive improvement in utility over the smaller bases. It's much easier to move them, and you don't have to count the bases all the time to get the stats. Normally I don't like having numbers on the bases, but it has saved a lot of time in terms of set-up and moving. Again, it depends if you're using the figures for other sets of rules, and I was thinking about playing large skirmishes with the smaller bases, which won't be possible with the new ones, but I still have some in 15mm for that.
Hexasim are supposed to be bringing out a 3rd game in the Sengoku series this year. It'll probably be called 'Tenka Fubu,' and will deal with 3 of Oda Nobunaga's battles (Okehazama, Anegawa and Nagashino). So I think I'm going to wait for that. You're right though, looking again it's not nearly as hard to get hold of the game as I initially thought :)
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Hi
Ok sat down with some 10mm figs and the counters to see what type of varitions in strength numbers I would have to cover.
I had a bunch of bases 6cm x 8cm from Litko that was the basic size. So looking at the map and it states 1 hex is 200m that means that 8cm is 200m. So from there we go to 5 bases per 1000m. That means I end up with a ground scale of 40cm per Kilometer. This means that our gaming tables at the club of 300cm and 450cm gives I hope enough for most of the battles I would like to game.
Now the figures, i am think of for Mass points 8 figures of ashigaru per point. Fire point is 6-8 figures, Elan 4-6 figurs per point. Leadership would be a separate mounted or food commander just touching the base.
I am also going to have the numbers on the base Like yours which is a great idea.
Now I have to get those damn figures pointed.
William
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Be good to see them when they're done. If you're having numbers on the base I don't think you need the exact troop representation as well. The main versatility with having the clan letters and stat values is that you can change them depending on need (mine are card counters in mdf 'dice cells'). I think if I were doing it from scratch now, I'd go for 'poor,' 'average' and 'rich' bases, with the former having fewer guns and samurai, and fewer figures altogether. The latter would have guns and more mounted samurai etc. Depending on the scenario, you should be able to line up the lower stat units with the 'poor' clan bases, and keep something of the visual cue of them being smaller and low on shooting and elan, while retaining the flexibility of changing the values.
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We played another 6mm Sengoku Jidai battle using Tenkatoitsu the other night.
Report here: https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/03/08/the-battle-of-aokawa/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/03/08/the-battle-of-aokawa/)
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Great stuff, love the bottom photo 8)
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Very scenic! Is that a pale blue wall in the background, or some file-editing effect?
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I DO like to see Japanese engagements that look like battles. :)
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Very scenic! Is that a pale blue wall in the background, or some file-editing effect?
Quick and nasty photo-editing. There was in fact a large mural of a cartoon dog behind it, which kind of spoiled the effect a bit......
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I like be the fields
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More progress with the 6mm project. Now up to 31 units.
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Also experimenting with representing some of those elaborate Japanese battle formations on the bases:
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More information on this in a blog post here:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/07/19/a-slightly-different-basing-style/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/07/19/a-slightly-different-basing-style/)
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Interesting :)
I think if there were more figures then it would look more imposing and fit better; say double the amount (if that makes sense).
I also don’t think it would be practical on the field. Like a lot of plans, good on paper but unworkable in practise.
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With 6mm, I find that it is the total number of figures on the table that is most impressive rather than the numbers on any stand per se. Just a personal preference thing...
My primary interest is WW1, refighting the very large battles in particular. The number of stands was a worry so I opted for only 4 figures per stand (each stand measuring 30mm x 30mm, typically a company of circa 200-250 men). The individual stands looked worryingly sparse but once several corps of stands were on-table, the effect of the whole was definitely greater than the sum of the parts.
Robert
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I think if there were more figures then it would look more imposing and fit better; say double the amount (if that makes sense).
Yes, it would have fit better over 4 bases, but then each base would have looked a bit strange in isolation. I might further simplify the formations in future, or just do parts of them, or revert back to the previous style.
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Your project is wonderful. I love all of the effort you have put into it all.
What rules will you be using to replicate the battle formations on the table? I know the ruleset Banzai by Robert Fellows of 2D6 wargaming explains how to use them and they are done with individual bases to create them.
Personally I would love to see how it all works on the table top since it was such an important part of their strategy.
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I'm using a conversion of the board game Tenkatoitsu. They allow you to choose one of the classic battle plans, and this gives you some advantages or special orders depending on the plan used. For example, the 'winding wheel' gives you more withdraw orders so you can recycle your troops, the 'yoke' gives you a bonus in defence etc. Hopefully, we'll be doing another game next week so I'll try and do a write-up of it.
As I say in the blog post, I don't think those elaborate formations represent armies at all, but rather contingents within an army. I think the actual army formations of the classic 8 battle formations probably looked more like this:
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The shots of all the units, with the banners look super good.
I really like how you are weaving the history into the figures.
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We played another battle using Tenkatoitsu. Made some final tweaks to the rules, mainly down to getting the change from hexes to squares right. I've a suspicion that it would be easier just not to have a grid at all, so I might look at that in the future.
This was a really good game, thoroughly absorbing throughout.
Full report here:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/07/25/the-battle-of-fumurayama/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/07/25/the-battle-of-fumurayama/)
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Hi I just saw your castle 1/200 do you think it would work with 10mm?
thanks
William
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Yes, it should be OK. There can be a bit of variance in 10mm figure sizes though. Some measurements:
Main gate: 16mm high
Side gate: 13mm high
Doorways leading to balcony: 10mm.
AFAIK, Plum do 3 castles in 1/200
https://hlj.com/search/go?af=selectseries%3Aplumjapanesecastle (https://hlj.com/search/go?af=selectseries%3Aplumjapanesecastle)
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Thanks i found one on Amazon so will have to order from there.
I would love for you to go with measurements instead of grid. I think this system would work great without the restraints of a grid system. Would need to figure out ZOC not sure how you would take care of that. I am still playing with the basing for my 10mm figures so have not really started on this project.
I like the army generation idea of having a core of units, then roll to add extra clans, as you say it would keep the feel of the armys.
I am now thinking of just working from the board game and just build the armies as there so no generic units but again the idea of a certain number of figures on the base to represent the combat values.
William
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I think it would work fine without grids. I will try it without a grid as it means I could reduce the movement unit a bit and get better use of the limited space I have on my table at home. In that instance, I think ZOC would just be base-to-base contact, or possibly a very small 3cm zone or something. I do think that square unit bases would be better in a grid-less game, as there might be some issues with turning otherwise. It's probably not a big deal, but worth bearing in mind.
The army generator needs a bit more work I think, but it was primarily for setting up pick-up games.
I think you would eventually want the ability to have different combat values for units, just to be able to play different battles. But our initial games just lifted the combat values straight from sections of the battles in the board game. I liked the idea of having the figures themselves translate to unit stats, but in practice this was a bit tricky trying to count them before each fight. It would be easier in 10mm though!
Finally, I would say that time spent on planning the bases is time well spent. With mixed figure bases, the more figures you use the better it looks, but you need a lot of bases for Tenkatoitsu. Even with 30 figures on a base, you're looking at around 500 figures a side. That's a lot of painting. Also, the bigger the base, the better it looks, but larger bases cut down the size of your battlefield in relative terms. So it's important to get it right before you start.
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Some more fields and trees added.
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More pics on the 'blog https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/09/05/villages-fields-and-forests/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/09/05/villages-fields-and-forests/)
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Lovely, lovely work :)
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Very impressive
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Beautiful Work!
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How much more are you going to do for this?
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Oh, it's pretty open ended. I'm currently on 34 bases, but I want to get to 40 to have 20-a-side. Then I'll want to add Ukita and Tokugawa. I'll probably want to get the small scale battle stuff (Ōtomo and Shimazu) up to about 600 figures a side. I also have Matsumoto castle to make, probably more buildings and likely some more paddy fields. A wooden fort system would be useful at some point too.
It's a big undertaking, but I prefer to do a small number of periods in a big way, than a lot of periods in a more 'normal' size. Otherwise some figure collections would never see any use down here.
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Open ended is always good :)
I've got plans for a 6mm yamashiro (along with 15mm one) so that might help.
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It would be great if you did some 10mm builings oshiro. There are some but not many and few as good as yours.
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I've not seen an early Sengoku wooden fort in kit form in any scale, so that'd be good. The towers especially.
Are you working to a definite scale? I'm finding Baccus 6mm are closer to 1/225 than 1/300. A 10mm range might be OK 6mm too. I'm using some Castle Arts stuff without much problem.
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I was initially thinking 1/300 then it would match the kits but maybe 8mm or so would be best then they can be used for both 6mm and 10mm ???
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In the end I went for a 1/200 castle. Baccus figures are 7-8mm high. The average Japanese man of the Sengoku period was 157cm tall, so the figures work out at between 1/224 and 1/196.
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I think 1/200 would be a good compromise ( and not too much effort to change the 6mm masters I have on the go).
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1/200 would be perfect for me :)
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Another base for the Mōri done, and the Shimazu so far for the 'small battle' side-project.
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Bit more progress on the 'small battles' project. Shimazu clan again. 25mm square bases:
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More explanation on this 'side project' here:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/08/29/battles-in-the-age-of-war-revisited/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2018/08/29/battles-in-the-age-of-war-revisited/)
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Lovely :)
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:oGreat project, love it!! :-*
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My jaw.... it is dropped! :o
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Some more bases done for the 'small battle' project. Otomo and Shimazu clans from Kyushu. 25mm square bases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0417_JX4AAlH69.jpg)
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They look excellent! Wonderful work
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Top job 8)
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Excellent, the Shimazu look great!
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The first stage of the 'small battles' project is complete. I've now got enough to try out some games and tweak the Battles in the Age of War rules a bit.
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Splendid :D
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Love the mass look of the armies.
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1/200 would be perfect for me :)
You might be interested to know Pendraken are revamping their 10mm Japanese range, and putting in a few useful new items.
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Ah, I mean the buildings will be perfect at 1/200. Baccus '6mm' are around 1/225 at most. It's great that Pendraken have picked up the old Castle Arts buildings range though.
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The large battle project so far. 1600+ figures :)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4raOJLX4AEWhBz.jpg)
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Very impressive! Love the mass of the troops.
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Love the overall effect. Great work
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Impressive, terrain and troops are fantastic.
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Missed these before. That's a really impressive sight 8)
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The large battle project so far. 1600+ figures :)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4raOJLX4AEWhBz.jpg)
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That is inspiring :o
Amazing collection!
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Simply awesome. Seriously tempted to do buy some right away, just by looking at this.
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Wow!! They look amazing.
It never ceases to impress me how great 6mm can look! Keep it up! Looking forwards to more photos :)
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Revisiting 6mm after a sidetrack into 28mm that went a bit further than I thought. Had a try of making 'Battles in the Age of War' work for small battles (up to a few thousand a side). Post about it here: https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2019/10/06/battles-in-the-age-of-war-again/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2019/10/06/battles-in-the-age-of-war-again/)
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Splendid 8)
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That table... looking splendid! O___O
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Battle of Yamazaki fought with Tenkatoitsu rules.
Report on 'blog:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2020/02/02/yamazaki-1582/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2020/02/02/yamazaki-1582/)
(https://tenkafubu608971038.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/turn-7.jpg)
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Beautiful looking table and armies!
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Excellent rice fields. But haven't you realised from following Japanese posts that Sengoku warfare never involved more than four ronin, one ashigaru, two Shaolin monks, three ninjas, a geisha, and a cherry tree? (and that's for Sekigahara!) Possible auxilliaries or baggage elements being a Hello Kitty and a Maneki Neko. ;)
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A well written battle report both historical and on the table.
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Excellent rice fields. But haven't you realised from following Japanese posts that Sengoku warfare never involved more than four ronin, one ashigaru, two Shaolin monks, three ninjas, a geisha, and a cherry tree? (and that's for Sekigahara!) Possible auxilliaries or baggage elements being a Hello Kitty and a Maneki Neko. ;)
Haha. I do Sengoku skirmishes in 28mm too. But when I started that the first thing I decided was no cherry blossoms, no shrines, no torii, no geisha, no warrior monks, and definitely no ninja.
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I like your style! In fact, my next project is to add three more ashigaru units to each of my Japanese armies (and all pikes and matchlocks); we're currently absurdly over-supplied with samurai.
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Ah right. What scale are you doing?
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10mm for all my land forces, amd 6mm houses.
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Haha. I do Sengoku skirmishes in 28mm too. But when I started that the first thing I decided was no cherry blossoms, no shrines, no torii, no geisha, no warrior monks, and definitely no ninja.
Ah, but no game is complete without Tori Amos being crucified... Or something... My memory may be playing up...
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"Nurse! He's escaped from the Big Battalions/WW2 sections again!"
Ah, good old Torii Suneemon. Who could forget that 2 Dragons figure?
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"Nurse! He's escaped from the Big Battalions/WW2 sections again!"
Ah, good old Torii Suneemon. Who could forget that 2 Dragons figure?
lol
Yes, God knows we tried to forget him, but he was always being crucified somewhere in a corner of the table... lol
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Used to have him in 15mm...ah, well, Pendraken promise I'll get a ten-mil taiko for my Takeda in a month or so.
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Pendraken still haven't released any of the old Castle Arts range of buildings?
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Don't know; I use Mura. But you could ask them; they're good about answering, and everyone should join their forum.
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For those looking, the Mura range is now at 2d6 wargaming New moulds getting made for most of the rest of the range, and maybe some new stuff as well in the future. https://www.2d6wargaming.com/collections/banzai-feudal-japan (https://www.2d6wargaming.com/collections/banzai-feudal-japan)
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Woah! Great battle!
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Excellent rice fields. But haven't you realised from following Japanese posts that Sengoku warfare never involved more than four ronin, one ashigaru, two Shaolin monks, three ninjas, a geisha, and a cherry tree? (and that's for Sekigahara!) Possible auxilliaries or baggage elements being a Hello Kitty and a Maneki Neko. ;)
lol
That reminds that I need a shrine and a couple of cherry trees...
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Slight detour into trying a Sengoku version of Sharp Practice 2.
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2020/02/09/ransen-towards-a-sharp-practice-mod-for-sengoku-jidai/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2020/02/09/ransen-towards-a-sharp-practice-mod-for-sengoku-jidai/)
(https://tenkafubu608971038.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/img_5720.jpg)
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Sorting through the 'small battle' bases. Here they are arranged as a 700-ish man sonae.
(https://tenkafubu608971038.files.wordpress.com/2020/03/img_5945.jpg)
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Really impressive army and the amount of work you've done.
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Astounding work. That's how an army should look! This is a real good advert for 6mm in my opinion.
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Thanks. Discovering 6mm (or rather discovering that I could actually face painting them after all) opened up huge new possibilities in the hobby for me. There are a lot of things you can do in 6mm that just aren't possible in larger scales.
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always stunned by your progresses! - impressive.
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Returned to the 'big battle' project to have a go at an experimental modification for the 'To the Strongest' rules.
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2020/06/07/to-the-sona-est/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2020/06/07/to-the-sona-est/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ6Ery4XgAAGyVk?format=jpg&name=large)
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Looks amazing!
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Incredible looking armies, great inspiration.
I'm about to buy a load of the new Pendraken Samurai ranges, and your armies are giving me lots of good ideas on how to present them.
How are you doing the sashimono on the figures, it looks like you are adding these to pretty much all the figures?
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The sashimono are printed on paper. The paper is then folded in half and glued over the cast sashimono. There's some examples on my 'blog. You could almost certainly do the same in 10mm.
I did all my figures with sashimono because I was happy to paint a few thousand figures. There probably weren't anywhere near that many on a Sengoku battlefield. It's probably more sensible to have a pool of figures without sashimono that you can use for any army and command groups with banners and sashimono specific to different clans. It all depends on how you're going about it in terms of number of figures and scope of the project really.
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Thanks, I did wonder if they were printed - which sounds a very sensible approach - and interesting to hear you added them to the cast sashimono, I did wonder if paper ones would have worked directly on the smaller figures.
The spectacle of massed sashimono certainly looks great - I will have a think about my approach, as you say having some more generic figures allows more flexibility with moving troops between forces.
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I don't really NEED any more buildings, but with Pendraken re-releasing the old Castle Arts 10mm range, I couldn't resist getting some. These are really excellent models, and I guess are on the smaller side of 10mm. So with Baccus being on the larger side of 6mm, and around the 1/220 scale range, these buildings fit OK.
Village house with some fields.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbXmfPQXsAAsd1o?format=jpg&name=large)
With some field bases. All 10cm squares.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbXmfPKWAAILhmG?format=jpg&name=large)
Some more unpainted and uncleaned buildings from the range:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbXm90tXQAE2W3_?format=jpg&name=large)
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Great looking buildings. I also love your terrain and figures.
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Outstanding project. 8) 8) 8)
Smart move with the Chinese civilians. Those Mura buildings are now owned by 2d6, they're being remastered and re-released, much crisper casts...
https://www.2d6wargaming.com/collections/banzai-feudal-japan (https://www.2d6wargaming.com/collections/banzai-feudal-japan)
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Yes, there's looking to be a decent choice for 6mm buildings now. More to come from both ranges.
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Finished some more of the Pendraken buildings to make 2 more village bases. Again, really nice models.
Some Perfect Six sacks and boxes added in the background. Usual cheap trees from China given a recolouring.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbsL9mXWkAALmEz?format=jpg&name=large)
Some GHQ Vietnam civilians playing a game of Go.
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The bases integrated into the rest of the village
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Lovely composition!!
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I wasn't going to make any 6mm buildings for this, but I decided to make a watchtower out of an mdf 28mm ladder from Warbases and a few bits of card. Based on the usual 10cm square base:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdYtHdrXoAY1RDt?format=jpg&name=large)
And here's the tower base with the rest of the village. The whole thing is about 100cm x 50cm.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdY5nDdXoAAaoZ9?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdY6Z0rXgAI4e93?format=jpg&name=large)
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Fantastic work
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Very nice indeed. 8)
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Lovely 8)
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The Shimazu and Ōtomo clans so far for the 'kumi based' project.
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:o
Dats amazing! :-*
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Wow - how many figures, how many units. They look superb, as does the terrain.
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Thanks.
There's 877 figures there :) About 17 units' worth.
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It's been a while, but I've added another base to the 'large battle' project. This is Oda general Takigawa Kazumasu. Kazumasu is largely in the shadow of the more famous Oda generals, Hashiba Hideyoshi, Akechi Mitsuhide and Shibata Katsuie, but at the end of Nobunaga's life he was the commander of Oda's Army of the Kantō.
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And here he is with the rest of the Oda army curently:
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Awesome stuff - magnificent!
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Actually managed to get around to playing a game. A further modification to Tenkatoitsu, this time using the ECW rules 'For King and Parliament' for the movement and combat, with the Tenkatoitsu command system bolted on to it. Results are encouraging. Full write up here:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2020/08/09/for-daimyo-and-kashindan/
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Had another go at my 'sonae-based' rules. These are a hybrid of the board game 'Tenkatoitsu' and Simon Miller's 'For King and Parliament' rules. It's essentially the basic activation, movement and combat system from 'K+P,' with the order system from 'Tenkatoitsu' bolted on. There's still a few more wrinkles to iron out, but I'll eventually try and put a draft copy on the 'blog.
This was a close game which, as was often the case with Tenkatoitsu games, swung back and forth before the Mōri won something of a Pyrrhic victory.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EqGNdqvXYAc_-2_?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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That looks superb! (As always!)
Would be interested in what you have come up rules wise as FKaP are a favourite of ours - and I am busy building 10mm Sengoku forces.
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The calm before the storm....
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With the new rules needing more command bases, I've added another 6. Here they all are in a bit of a 'nobori matsuri.'
(https://tenkafubu608971038.files.wordpress.com/2021/01/img_7185.jpg?w=825&h=415)
(https://tenkafubu608971038.files.wordpress.com/2021/01/img_7184.jpg?w=825&h=448)
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Impressive like a bunch of kurosawa movies.
I admire your scientific approach to finding rules as well. :)
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I've put a rough draft of the rules I'm currently using for big battles on my 'blog. These are based on Simon Miller's 'For King and Parliament' rules so they are grid-based.
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2021/01/06/rules-download/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2021/01/06/rules-download/)
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Thank you for posting these, I’m a big fan of FKaP.
I’ve had a couple of read throughs, and think I get most of the ideas. I suppose the most unusual thing for a set of wargames rules is to just have one unit type - but I suppose this represents the combine arms style of Sengoku warfare in the army level scale you are looking to represent.
My figures are 10mm on 40mm square bases, so I will have a think about how many to use for a Sonae - for FKaP we use 3x1 bases for a standard regiment, which works nicely with 2 shot and 1 pike. I’m wondering about using 6 bases for a sonae - perhaps with 1 as a command / marker base as you have. But this would be a lot of figures for a unit!
Have you thought about something similar to the “more pikes” rule in FKaP to represent those sonae better equipped for melee combat?
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I'll definitely add some more details to the rules eventually, I really just wanted to get a basic outline out first so I could link to them whenever anyone asks what rules I'm using. I certainly want to add rules for commander attributes which I think are important to have even if it slows the game down a bit having to reference a card or something every time they want to change an order.
The advantage of a grid system is that you could use 3 base units to start with. Arranged in a triangle, they'd look a bit like the symbols on battle maps in Japanese books. My units are about 50-60 figures, which, doing both sides and moving towards 20 units a side, is a lot of work even in 6mm. The time could have been reduced considerably by not doing sashimono on most of the figures, as well as getting more utility out of the figures, but they look so much better in a 'Kurosawa style.' It's certainly something that needs a fair bit of planning.
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First unit for Ukita Naoie. Naoie was a classic example of the Sengoku daimyō: sly, devious, treacherous and utterly ruthless.
As a bit of trivia, if you look up 'first assassination by firearm,' the example usually given is James Stewart, Earl of Moray in 1570. However, 4 years earlier in 1566, Mimura Iechika was assassinated by 2 men using matchlocks on Naoie's order.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErXTsA2W4AEoi-b?format=jpg&name=large)
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Added a 2nd unit for Ukita Naoie. This makes a grand total of 40 bases for the 'sonae-based' project.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er24KNTXAAEA7sg?format=jpg&name=medium)
All the bases:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er3zEJ1XIAAOQoe?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er3zEJzW8AAlo9A?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er3zEJ3XIAcgTIN?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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After sorting out some 'big battle' rules, I had a go at some rules for smaller battles. These are the 'brigade level' rules to complement the 'army level' ones. It's another variant of the 'Simon Miller' system (To the Strongest/For King and Parliament). Early days yet, but reasonably encouraging.
More information on the 'blog: https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2021/01/26/testing-small-battle-rules/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2021/01/26/testing-small-battle-rules/)
Pics of the battle:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsbwvJLXYAITgQl?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsbwCgIWMAEkxJQ?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsgGPL1XcAMkbAZ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
And some fish:
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Quite stunning. 8)
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Great looking game.
I’ve had a quick read through your rule thoughts, and like them, I think this scale of engagement is more in keeping with my forces than the sonae level ones, so I will read more.
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Understandable. I think you need quite large units in terms of figures to get the feel of sonae, at least 30 figures, preferably more. And if you have 12 units a side, that turns into a lot of figures.
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Added another 4 field bases. These were inspired by the opening sequence in last year's Taiga drama "Kirin ga Kuru."
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es1R9meW4AIl5Ce?format=jpg&name=large)
And with the other fields:
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Those fields look great - your scenery for this project is excellent
Understandable. I think you need quite large units in terms of figures to get the feel of sonae, at least 30 figures, preferably more. And if you have 12 units a side, that turns into a lot of figures.
My units for FKaP are 3 x 40x40mm stands, so are around 30-40 figures - but they are based with 10 or so figures on a single base, so much harder to arrange as a Sonae.
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Yes, can be difficult if you're using bases with one troop type on them. You'd ideally need at least 6 to get a mix for a sonae, and then there may be an issue with mixing sashimono. You could just use your normal 3 or 4 stand units as sonae anyway. Depends what kind of games you'd be playing most I guess.
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Added two more field bases in the same style as the recent ones. These have some farmers added, which are plastic railway model figures.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtstwPiXEAAPQF3?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtstwPzXcAASaEt?format=jpg&name=large)
And a screenshot from the Taiga drama which provided the inspiration:
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Well you've certainly nailed that.
A really fantastic thread with clearly a lot of thought gone into every aspect of the miniature wargame. Really splendid, well done.
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Truly inspiring :o from the huge armies with all their banners to the tiniest farmers field!
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Thanks.
After the new fields, I've also revamped my small shrine so it fits into the village better. I've also done enough larger trees to replace the old ones for forest bases.
The shrine:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvKnqGaWYAA9wgQ?format=jpg&name=large)
And the village with the new bits added:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvTzjiNWQAMYCy-?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvTzjiRXIAUEiJY?format=jpg&name=large)
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Just perfect!
Mount Fuji pic? 8)
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Ah yes. How could I forget Fuji-san?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvVnFjqXcAEf1Py?format=jpg&name=large)
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Stunning I did not fully appreciate just how detailed and good 6mm can look till now... Damn you to Hell I have to now start yet another scale and project...
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Great stuff 8)
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That's absolutely lovely.
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Stunning I did not fully appreciate just how detailed and good 6mm can look till now... Damn you to Hell I have to now start yet another scale and project...
Always worth trying 6mm. If you can get on with painting them, you can do things in that scale that are impossible in others.
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Always worth trying 6mm. If you can get on with painting them, you can do things in that scale that are impossible in others.
There's no way that variety of Acer grows in Shizuoka province... Totally unrealistic!
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Though not as unrealistic as having Shizuoka province in the Sengoku Jidai.
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I was joking about quitting the hobby when I was looking at the incredible Tora no Monogatari thread...but this leaves me speechless. And both by the same person!
@osmoses, I salute you. These projects are amazing achievements.
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Though not as unrealistic as having Shizuoka province in the Sengoku Jidai.
lol
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I was joking about quitting the hobby when I was looking at the incredible Tora no Monogatari thread...but this leaves me speechless. And both by the same person!
@osmoses, I salute you. These projects are amazing achievements.
Thanks very much. Sengoku Jidai is a bit of an obsession of mine. It's probably at least 75% of the hobby for me, so I do get to spend more time than most on it.
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I've finally got around to trying out the board game "A Most Dangerous Time" as the basis for a campaign.
BGG link: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/27969/most-dangerous-time-japan-chaos-1570-1584
The first battle generated is the Battle of Yamanokami 1570. Hashiba Hideyoshi faces an attack by a combined Azai-Asakura army (on the right, represented by mostly Mōri banners) on the Western shore of Lake Biwa.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExGWSZzXMAMJtQl?format=jpg&name=large)
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I've finally got around to trying out the board game "A Most Dangerous Time" as the basis for a campaign.
BGG link: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/27969/most-dangerous-time-japan-chaos-1570-1584
The first battle generated is the Battle of Yamanokami 1570. Hashiba Hideyoshi faces an attack by a combined Azai-Asakura army (on the right, represented by mostly Mōri banners) on the Western shore of Lake Biwa.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExGWSZzXMAMJtQl?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExGWSZ8W8AMsTvu?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExGXfllW8Ac01If?format=jpg&name=large)
Very evocative! how is the campaign system working? Are you using your rulesets for the battles then?
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I've finally got around to trying out the board game "A Most Dangerous Time" as the basis for a campaign.
BGG link: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/27969/most-dangerous-time-japan-chaos-1570-1584
The first battle generated is the Battle of Yamanokami 1570. Hashiba Hideyoshi faces an attack by a combined Azai-Asakura army (on the right, represented by mostly Mōri banners) on the Western shore of Lake Biwa.
Amazing! How do you integrate the battles with the campaign, in terms of both going from campaign forces to units on the battlefield, and from battle outcomes back to the campaign?
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It's pretty easy as the armies in AMDT are all made up of the same basic counters that represent 1 or 2,000 men, there are no different types of counters or ones with different stats. So each counter become one or two units on the table-top in my Tenka Fubu rules. Losses should be able to be similarly applied, along with any lost generals. I'm still trying it out really, AMDT is one of those rules that I couldn't 'get' by just reading.
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That looks amazing.
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Made another six rice fields to go with the previous six:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exk-F3WWYAoCqDV?format=jpg&name=large)
Together with the other original six:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exk-F3jWYAARCW7?format=jpg&name=large)
And with all the other fields:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExlJtf3WEAkCgUT?format=jpg&name=large)
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Made another six rice fields to go with the previous six:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exk-F3WWYAoCqDV?format=jpg&name=large)
Together with the other original six:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Exk-F3jWYAARCW7?format=jpg&name=large)
And with all the other fields:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExlJtf3WEAkCgUT?format=jpg&name=large)
Really beautiful!
I noticed (from facebook) that the pictures were posted from a painting service page (ADC Painting). Is it yours?
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Yes, ADC Painting is me. I use that FB page for posting in public groups. Facebook has an annoying habit of posting random public group posts onto friends' feeds with no context, so I don't usually use my own profile in public groups.
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Another AMDT campaign battle. On the eastern shore of Lake Biwa, Azai Nagamasa (represented by Mōri troops) marches to retake Sawayama castle. An Oda force commanded by Shibata Katsuie stands in his way at Mushiyama.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex0mws0XEAsT8i4?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex1ITQ6WEAQZeeV?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex1ITRBWEAACQ2q?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex1ITRSXIAMW4kl?format=jpg&name=large)
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Returning to the small battles project, and I've been painting up some 3D printed samurai. I can't emphasize enough how good these figures are, there's some more info as to who made the files and who did the printing on the 'blog here:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2021/04/25/3d-printed-6mm-samurai/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2021/04/25/3d-printed-6mm-samurai/)
These figures have much more variety than the rather limited Baccus range, and should enable some more creative units.
Here are a gun, bow and spear unit, a 'bushidan' unit and an Oda command base.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0PHd-jX0AIPFuY?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0PHd_JXMA0tyK8?format=jpg&name=large)
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Wow, I’d missed the 1st April battle pictures - the whole game looks superb.
The newest figures look good, 3D printed 6mm looks good
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Outstanding work! :o
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After a somewhat strange excursion into sci-fi, I'm back to the Sengoku again. This time revisiting the 'small battle' project in the hope of trying to get a rough draft of a set of rules together.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8L-4AMXEAYASsI?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8L-4AwXoAQxFud?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8L-4AmWQAMW9WO?format=jpg&name=large)
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Your battles have a truly artistic quality to them - outstanding work
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Another village base added, pictured with some 3D printed guys from Project Wargaming.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E53JY94VUAYZxb6?format=jpg&name=large)
And fitted in to the rest of the village.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8Re3lqXIAMQT2A?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8RfP_SXMAYAU17?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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That would be impressive at any scale. Lovely village, the workers in the fields are a great touch.
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This looks, to me, totally amazing!
I am so impressed by the sheer level of feel you get from this. Sloping hills, lots of banners and the whole visual impact. Really impressive!
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Thanks. After all those clever terrain solutions over the years, we're going back to essentially shoving things under blankets to make hills... :)
Made some ikkō-ikki command bases, along with a 'generic' honjin to stand in for army commands where I don't have a specific one. Infantry figures are 3D printed by Project Wargaming, mounted figures by Baccus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9uovenXsAEK9xv?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9uovgrXMBIHBSa?format=jpg&name=large)
The command bases will be used to attach to generic infantry units, so I can have a large pool of such units that can be used as any army with the addition of a few specific command bases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E813bYZXEA8Xyph?format=jpg&name=large)
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Bit of a sidetrack, but I've had "Clash of Spears" rules for ages and finally got around to trying them out. But in 6mm. So each 25mm base of 6mm figures is equivalent to one 28mm figure, meaning the figure scale is 1:1. I'd been thinking about a game that was around 500-1000 men a side with a 1:1 figure scale, and had a go a while back using Sharp Practice. I think Clash is a better option, though a Sengoku version will end up on the back burner for a bit I think. Anyway, it's a very good game.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-JddisWYAcu6pU?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-Jddi4WYAQ-EZO?format=jpg&name=large)
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Another set of command figures done for the small battles project. These are Oda clan. The photos here show the basic principle of using generic units with command groups appropriate to a particular army added. Here the same units are used for ikkō-ikki and Oda by changing the command groups.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_GlVqwWUAYLaF0?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_GlVtCXsAMRuTR?format=jpg&name=large)
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The more generic troops with two lots of command stands works really well - the banners on the commanders totally change the look of the forces.
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Yes, I'm quite happy with how it's turned out. There'll be higher level commanders to add as well.
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Bit of a sidetrack, but I've had "Clash of Spears" rules for ages and finally got around to trying them out. But in 6mm. So each 25mm base of 6mm figures is equivalent to one 28mm figure, meaning the figure scale is 1:1. I'd been thinking about a game that was around 500-1000 men a side with a 1:1 figure scale, and had a go a while back using Sharp Practice. I think Clash is a better option, though a Sengoku version will end up on the back burner for a bit I think. Anyway, it's a very good game.
I have plans to do the same for Clash but in 15mm - with DBx basing. Glad to hear it works well with 6mm.
The figures continue to look super impressive as well.
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A 1:1 representation of Oda Nobunaga’s 700-man army at the Battle of Inō in 1556. Early in Nobunaga’s reign as head of the clan, his brother Nobuyuki challenged his leadership. Two Oda vassals loyal to Nobuyuki, Shibata Katsuie and Hayashi Hidesada, marched against Nobunaga with a combined force of 1700 men. Nobunaga reacted with characteristic decisiveness and engaged them near the village of Inō with an army of 700 men. Before the two vassals could combine their force, Nobunaga first defeated Shibata’s 1,000 man force, and then Hayashi’s 700.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAxl3S8XMAIaxO9?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAxl3TqWYAM7ASY?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAxmqdIWEAIbaHf?format=jpg&name=large)
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Further excursions into 3D printing. Paul at Sabotag3d.com has made me some 'Babō-saku,' much quicker than I could do by hand. And very nice they are too. Babō-saku are most famous for their use at Nagashino.
The fences reconstructed at the Nagashino battlefield:
(https://www.jcastle.info/images/c/c4/Nagashino10.jpg)
The 6mm models:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB_UiXPWYAMKqZc?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB_UiXHXMAA9CSe?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB_nNBaXIAMe1LD?format=jpg&name=large)
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Time for another periodic group shot of completed figures so far:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCeN_07WYBcIq8d?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCeN_1aWYAgEHPl?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCeN_3NXEAkis-R?format=jpg&name=large)
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That’s a couple of figures then!
They look very impressive en masse
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Fantastic.
6mm simply cannot be matched when it comes to creating an effective representation of an army on the tabletop.
You've done a cracking job on proving it again here.
Cheers
Ry
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Impressive 8)
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Spectacular!
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Thanks
Fantastic.
6mm simply cannot be matched when it comes to creating an effective representation of an army on the tabletop.
You've done a cracking job on proving it again here.
Cheers
Ry
Yeah, 6mm really does open up a ton of possibilities when it comes to large battles.
I've started making markers for orders and hits to replace the coloured counters I have been using. Much more aesthetically pleasing.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCo9NDlXMAIm8qC?format=jpg&name=large)
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Following on from Oda Nobunaga's army at the Battle of Inō, here's Shibata Katsuie's 1,000 man army from the same battle at 1:1 figure to man ratio. Unfortunately, I still can't use them at the same time so still several hundred figure to paint to do the whole battle in 1:1...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHJfp7LWYAgwt5d?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHJfp7RWUAMvj_1?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHJfp75WYAkC7w-?format=jpg&name=large)
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I'll say it again - it's lovely to see a Sengoku army that looks like a army. :)
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The 1,700 figure target for the Battle of Inō gets closer. Now up to 1,200 :)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJzMxVUXoAkHPFU?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJzMxVyXIAQ1vQP?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJzMxWDXoAAnaM8?format=jpg&name=large)
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Impressive
Both the quantity and the detail
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Cheers
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Lovely :)
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Fantastic
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Absolutely superb once again! :D
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man o man it just doesn't stop!
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Thanks for the kind words all.
Actually managed to get a game in at the local club this week, against my mate's Takeda army which he'd started when I was doing mine and basically forgot about. Anyway, the Takeda army was intercepted on the way to E-Bay and brought to battle. Inevitably the Takeda won as there appears to be a karmic rule of the universe that I always lose the first game of any set of rules I've designed myself. The Takeda turned away from the E-beidō road and headed back to Kai to paint more figures, so that's something. I'll probably do a bunch of Uesugi command stands to use with my generic bases to provide a more appropriate opponent for the Takeda after I've finished the forces for the Battle of Inō.
Anyway, here's some photos of the action:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKjL2kVXwAQE1pN?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKjL2kaXIAM8Jnq?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKjQLu9XsAAVpmU?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKjQLvfXEAMWUS9?format=jpg&name=large)
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With the prospect of Takeda opposition, I figured I'd do some Uesugi command stands for my generic units to make an Uesugi army relatively painlessly. First up is the honjin of Uesugi Masatora (Kenshin), c.1561. The "Bi" banner is likely an Edo period invention, and the "Ryū" banner almost certainly is, but I've kept them anyway as they are so strongly associated with Kenshin that they act as a good 'visual cue' to identifying him on the tabletop, something which 6mm usually needs more than bigger scales.
3D printed figures from Project Wargaming, printed by Sabotag3d. Maku by Baccus. 80mm x 40mm base.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK_fvIKXEAU1Edb?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FK_fvIVXwAc-f0W?format=jpg&name=large)
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Amazing looking game!
Your mate’s army looks equally impressive on the table - and both together are fantastic!
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The sheer numbers is one thing but then combine that with the top quality paint jobs and attention to detail - the banners, command stands, even the board.
Just spectacular!!
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Finally achieved the 1,700 figure target for the Battle of Inō 8)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLf2Km9XoA0u0zB?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLf2Km-WYAgFlrl?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLf2KnCWYAkMdnW?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLfxbC_XsAkYucy?format=jpg&name=large)
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Also made some Uesugi command stands to improvise an Uesugi army to use against my newly re-discovered Takeda opponent.
Uesugi Masatora, Honjō Saneyori, Murakami Yoshikiyo, Kakizaki Kageie, Amakasu Kagemochi, Usami Sadamitsu and Yamayoshi Toyomori.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLfgzquX0AAx1Qb?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLfgzqyXEAc5M75?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLfgzq5XwAQLRvg?format=jpg&name=large)
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Super impressive stuff.
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Another club game. This time 4th Kawanakajima in the fog. I improvised an Uesugi army by adding my new Uesugi commanders to some of the more generic units from my Oda and Mōri armies. The game featured some ever-hilarious rules for movement deviation in the poor visibility.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMPI91kXIAYOOmb?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMPJQP2X0AERj4x?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMRpPCAXoAIpzAo?format=jpg&name=large)
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beautiful!!
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Thanks.
Bit of a write up of the game on the 'blog:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/02/23/kawanakajima-game/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/02/23/kawanakajima-game/)
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I saw the article in the latest edition of Wargames Illustrated today. Nice job.
Robert
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Thanks.
Got around to making a fort. Based on Arato-jō in Shinano. Buildings are by Leven and Oshiro, with a bit of conversion. Fencing 3D printed by Sabotag3d which really made the whole thing possible. Tower and gatehouses hand-made. 20cm square base. I'll hopefully get round to more of a write-up on the 'blog soon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNMATN4XMAAx8en?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNMATPVWUAYFLk5?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNMATOXWQAUDCZn?format=jpg&name=large)
And the actual fort on which it was based:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNMATOeXEAYhrgY?format=jpg&name=small)
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Lovely build 8)
Having been there it’s a great representation of the fort :)
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Thanks. Looking forward to more barracks buildings turning up ;)
Bit of a write up describing the construction on my 'blog:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/)
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I've made some modular fort sections in the same style as the 'Arato' fort. These are 10cm squares and can be used to make forts of different sizes.
6-section fort:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN5jcc1XEAEL7VZ?format=jpg&name=large)
8-section
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN5jccvWYAUbceX?format=jpg&name=large)
Another 8-section. I will have to make a more appropriate base to go in the middle
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN5jccEXMAcTs6M?format=jpg&name=large)
10-section and 2 middle bits. Again, I might make a 2-section mini fort to fit in the middle of this.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN5jccuXsAI--qS?format=jpg&name=large)
All 12 sections integrated with the previous fort
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN5wDmCWYAAs9gP?format=jpg&name=large)
All the bits together with some figures and Fuji-san....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN5yDesWYAI4EQV?format=jpg&name=large)
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Very good, that last one works particularly well 8)
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Wow!
Super impressive, I particularly like the way the modular bases work together
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Made some command bases for Takeda Shingen and Hōjō Ujiyasu to go with Uesugi Kenshin:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJAaNXWUAUsDaC?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOJAaNdWQBcnLyy?format=jpg&name=large)
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It's been 5 years since the first strips of 6mm samurai arrived from Baccus, so a bit of a retrospective post.
That first strip of figures:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOSGc2yWUAcz_m-?format=jpg&name=900x900)
5 years on, the large battle collection:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOSGc3wWUAQELim?format=jpg&name=large)
The Shimazu-Ōtomo small battles collection:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOSGc3pX0AExof8?format=jpg&name=large)
The Eiroku small battles collection:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOSGc3dWUAE_F8F?format=jpg&name=large)
And the terrain. All the village bases, fields and fort sections:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOS5ZwBX0AEApph?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Another view of the accumulated scenery:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOStNruWQAIjl_g?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Most impressive :)
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Very impressive, indeed!
I’m somewhat intrigued at the number of figures for a ‘small’ battle?
Is the project nearing completion, or is this just a good point for a recap?
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It's just 5 years since the first figures turned up. 'Small battle' is in the sense of the number of actual participants rather than number of figures. So I'm planning on doing the Battle of Inō, which is a small battle in that it only involves 2,400 men in total, but I'll play it at a 1:1 figure to man ratio so it will still use a lot of figures. The difference between the 'small battle' and 'big battle' project is mostly one of different organisation.
I have more or less enough figures to do most of what I want to do, but I'll be adding command groups to add to the Eiroku project bases to make specific armies.
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More command bases. This time it's for the Hōjō. Hōjō Ujiyasu in his honjin is joined by commanders Kasahara Masataka, Tame Mototada, Tominaga Naokatsu, Hōjō Tsunataka and Hōjō Tunashige.
The 'Hōjō's 5 coloured units' thing is almost certainly an Edo-period invention. But I've gone with it anyway, mostly for the visual appeal and also because we're never likely to find out the reality and an alternative would be mostly just guesswork.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO7urVeXsAIs40E?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FO7usruXEAAggkS?format=jpg&name=large)
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Played a game based on the Battle of Inō, mainly to try out some ideas for modifying my 'small battle' rules. More info on the 'blog: https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/06/09/the-battle-of-ino-with-ningen-gojunen/
Some pics:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUbXZ_1WYAICBkn?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUbXZfNWIAcoDZP?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUfFu8XXwAE0N7h?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUfFu5dX0AAfLco?format=jpg&name=large)
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I just checked out this topic. Wow, those are nice looking armies. Small scale stuff always looks like armies to me than 28mm.
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I love your view of what constitutes a ‘small’ battle!
Excellent looking as always!
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Looking amazing as ever. Small is probably the wrong adjective given the scope! The difference is in the base element and what it represents I believe? So small battles the base elements are different weapon types (eg spears, bows, cavalry etc are mounted on separate bases). For the large battles the base element is a Sonae - so a mix of weapon types united by a clan and a leader.
Perhaps Tactical and Strategic? Strategic sounds a bit too far out in scope.
Tactical and Grand Tactical?
Gumi and Sonae?
Daisho and Daimyo?
I guess small and large is as good as any!
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Yeah, I've used 'small' and 'large' as a descriptor for the size of battle in terms of combatants. So a battle with 700 men on one side and 1,000 would be small according to most people's definition. But if you do it at a 1:1 figure scale it becomes 'big' in terms of the game I suppose. It's much easier in 19th century rules where you could just use army/corps level and brigade/divisional level. Traditionally, wargames rules haven't had these different levels of battle for ancient and medieval periods, and there aren't usually the same clear terms for organisational units.
Indeed the difference is in the base unit. For the large battle game the base units are 'sonae,' composed of a mix of weapon types, whereas in the smaller game the base unit is a 'kumi' which could be a unit where everyone has the same weapon. Though, the period I'm focussing on at the moment for small battles probably didn't have dedicated weapons groups.
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Some more generals bases. Takeda this time.
25mm x 30mm bases.
Takeda Shingen, Baba Nobuharu, Kudō Sukenaga and Oyamada Nobuari, (or Nobushige etc.)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FceIXnRXEAAfbHw?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FceIXnFWAAEiU9k?format=jpg&name=large)
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Those are some very nice command stands!
Those banners with the script on, it must be tiny!
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Shingen's square, black 'Sun Tzu' banner there is 8mm square. The red Suwa long banner is 3.5mm x 16mm :)
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8mm square, with 4x4 pictograms on it!
I can’t count how many are on the 16mm tall one - too many!
I’m assuming these are printed then stuck on?
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Yes, all printed.
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Did you give up on adapting the Tnkatoitsu rules for the table top?
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I moved on to making a hybrid of Tenkatoitsu and To the Strongest. So I've taken the command system from Tenkatoitsu and the movement and combat from TtS. The rules have evolved away from strict implementations of those two, but are still grid based. The rules are (inevitably) called 'Tenka Fubu,' and are available to download here:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/tenkatoitsu-mods/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/tenkatoitsu-mods/)
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Revisited the campaign driven by the board game 'A Most Dangerous Time.' The game generated the Battle of Shōryūjijō, Hosokawa Fujitaka is besieged in his castle of Shōryūjijō by the Miyoshi. An Oda force under Takigawa Kazumasu marches to relieve the siege.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FekSn17XgAEIIEr?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fenl7sWWYAITTS3?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeoW9TlWQAARgvI?format=jpg&name=large)
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Your battles look so epic!
Was the siege broken?
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Thanks. Yes, the Miyoshi were defeated and the siege lifted.
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Love both the units and the terrain. Gorgeous stuff!
I've moved on from Tenkatoitsu to Strength and Honour as a basis for my rules. I may live long enough to finally get my 3mm samurai based, painted and on the table but it may be a close run thing! :)
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Be nice to see a 3mm Sengoku army.
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Agree both battlefield and armies are magnificent!
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Battle report on the last game finally up on the blog:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/10/16/the-battle-of-shoryujijo-a-campaign-game/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/10/16/the-battle-of-shoryujijo-a-campaign-game/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fenx7HLWAAM5Kx2?format=jpg&name=large)
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Great looking game, I think this is my favourite shot
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeoLYaPXoAAwvL0?format=jpg&name=large)
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Thanks. It was good to get the fort on the table in an actual game. Even if it was really just scenery.
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I liked the fort too. Nice to see the more typical yamashiro type fortification rather than the common "Japanese castle" depictions of Kumamoto, Himeji, Osaka or the like.
Your figures are beautiful but the scenery really makes the game look exceptional!
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Thanks. It was good to get the fort on the table in an actual game. Even if it was really just scenery.
It's the fort that counts... :D
Superb as always, Gareth! ;)
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Cheers Mark.
Great minds and all. Or disturbed ones:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/)
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Cheers Mark.
Great minds and all. Or disturbed ones:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/)
lol lol lol lol lol
Disturbed Great Old Ones these days...
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Some Uesugi command stands. 50mm x 30mm bases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhtLaIMWIAAcjgw?format=jpg&name=large)
These are intended to be added to 'generic' units to make them specific to a particular army. So here the same figures can be used to make 3 different armies by the addition of command stands:
Uesugi:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhtLaIOXEAAsw2K?format=jpg&name=medium)
Oda:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhtLaIJXEAIdVkV?format=jpg&name=medium)
Ikkō-ikki:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhtLaIPWAAAguCF?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Hard to believe those are 6mms. Great work on those armies!
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Mind. Blown.
What an amazing thread.
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Every time I come here and look at these figs, the paint jobs, the terrain.
I am just amazed! Fantastic work by you.
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Thanks very much.
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1600+ figures.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuZ9NNpXgAYePJ8?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuZ9NOIWAAERE_m?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuZ9-WkX0AIQMRk?format=jpg&name=large)
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Wowsers!
おお！
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Added another base for 'Tenka Fubu.' This is the second base for Shibata Katsuie, one of Oda Nobunaga's senior commanders.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FupCbduXoAIAei8?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FupCbdtWcAABx7n?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Made some Hōjō command groups. These are for adding to the generic units to make them specifically Hōjō. I can now hopefully get around to trying a game with Hōjō versus Uesugi, one of the longest and deepest clan rivalries of the period.
50mm x 30mm bases.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu9qNDrWYAAVNEm?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fu9qNDmWYAAkFjX?format=jpg&name=large)
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And the new command stands in action
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvhecDrXsAAi56k?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvi43nvWYAEB97n?format=jpg&name=large)
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Your 6mm stuff is pretty amazing but I spent a few hours reading your blog looking at the 28mm scenery, figures, terrain and especially the linked campaign/storyline and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thanks for posting that, I can't comment on Wordpress so just wanted to let you know on here.
I was most impressed with the buildings that had round tiled roofs, were they commercial resin buildings. I ask because you said you had a preference for mdf because it was easier to costomise but I couldnt envisage how you'd scratch build that sort of roof.
The 28mm posts seemed to have dried up, hopefully there'll be more.
Cheers
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Thanks. By strange coincidence, I fished out the 28mm Sengoku two days ago, so I'll hopefully do some more game soon. There's a thread somewhere on here for it which I'll resurrect.
The tubular tiled roofs are made out of flexible tubing (intended for aquariums) with the end bits being hole-punched pieces of card. The tiling effect is just painted on, but looks OK from a distance.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvsy1MUWAAcn6mI?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Well I have to say I'm amazed. Looking at this picture I can see it but in the game pictures they look very professional,
Thanks for the explanation much appreciated and it would be good to see you resurrect your thread on 28mm.
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Played a game of Tenka Fubu at the club. Terrain was a bit limited due to too much hassle bringing it all in...
This was a fictional battle between the Oda and Mōri around the mid-1570's. An interesting historical point is that of all the Oda commanders represented here, all bar Hideyoshi were killed by one of the others in the 1580's. Akechi Mitushide killed Oda Nobunaga and Nobutada, Hideyoshi killed Mitsuhide, Shibata Katsuie and Sassa Narimasa.
(https://i.imgur.com/TxSwILb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ys0eldy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LlL1SHt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vv0SRrf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MYFpTc5.jpg)
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Impressive looking game!
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These are spectacular armies - great to see them on the table again
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Just amazing, your painting is superb! These look like armies!
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Added 2 more 'big battle' units. These are an Azai Nagamasa command stand and 2 'sonae.'
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-B_pPfWYAA1Sww?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-B_pP6WkAAO84P?format=jpg&name=large)
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Bloody brilliant, as always! I particularly like Hashitagu-Sama at the front.
Don't suppose you fancy getting them out for a game next week...? :D
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Yeah, can do. Still got the units prepped from the last game.
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Yeah, can do. Still got the units prepped from the last game.
:D :D :D
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And here's some pics of that game with Jemima Fawr. A very close battle which, after gaining an initial advantage, I rather allowed to get away from me....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-Zz-lfXQAAZjtZ?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-Zz-liX0AAu9Xc?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-Zz-nwXEAAD9sn?format=jpg&name=large)
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A very impressive & colorful battlefield.
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A very impressive & colorful battlefield.
It is indeed. Great stuff!
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Yes, a brilliant and properly nail-biting game with wonderful troops and scenery. Thanks again, Osmoses! :D
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The collected bases so far. If I were a bit more careful in putting them away, I wouldn't have to sort them out before every game....
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-LAFyRXoAE36zr?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-LAFySXQAEhv8t?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-LAFycW4AAi8Oa?format=jpg&name=large)
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Love your rules and the amazing look of the units and armies. I would love to see some more information on "The Way of the Horse and Bow". It is fascinating I have down loaded the rules and am looking for Genpie era figures but am struggling with how many and what kind of figures i should get? I am hoping you have some thoughts on that.
Some specific questions how big are the hexes in your photos of a battle and how how big are your bases?
ps still planning 10mm but like all wagamers i have been distracted by other projects.
William
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Thanks. The WoHaB thing started out really as a thought experiment as much as anything else, arising from an observation by Karl Friday drawing parallels between WW1 dogfighting aviators and mounted archers. So the game really concentrates on those mounted archers and ‘abstracts’ (to use the standard wargames rules writer’s get-out phrase) everything else.
I used Westwind figures, mainly as the horses are a bit chunkier than the Assault Group ones, but other than those two, there isn’t much choice for the Genpei War. Those ranges also include a lot of mounted warriors with melee weapons, which you don’t really want for the Genpei War. I based mine on 30mm x 50mm bases with 40mm hexes. Because the figures can get very close to each other, I wanted a bit more space for the figures so they don’t overlap the hexes.
We’ve found that players can pretty easily handle 8-10 figures each, in 2 groups of 4 or 5. But I’ve used 16 in one game. Really depends on how many players you have, it’s a better game if the area is a bit crowded, but you can increase the ‘stray arrows’ zone to effectively make the area smaller. I think 8-10 figures a side is a decent starter game.
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That is an impressive horde!
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Thanks Osmoses
I also saw some cards on a site where I found more pictures of a game being played, if those cards are indeed yours could you put them on your site and explain what the symbols on the bottom mean and what do the smaller horse cards indicate.
This looks like a much less daunting project than your battle games!!!!
Thanks
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Ah yes, those cards are character cards and horse cards that add some extra abilities. I have numbers on my figure bases, and then put a corresponding number chit on the relevant card by the side of the board to track who is who. A lot of the horses and characters are basic with no special abilities, as I was just shuffling them and randomly dealing them out to players for games. I made a separate pool with some of the characters with higher scores for players to draw from for their leaders.
Anyway, the cards are now uploaded to the download page, just as word docs. The character cards are designed to fit standard 'Magic the Gathering' size card sleeves, whereas the horses are 'US mini boardgame' size (I think). About 60mm x 40mm sleeves.
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That is great thanks.
William
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I think I found an alternative to 28mm! Could you that are more informed about the armour of the Gempei war do this figures fit.
https://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/sam-cav-yor-tach-s.jpg
15mm might be a great way to this.
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Yes, they'd be OK. Horses look better than the usual too. I did think about doing it in 15mm with those figures, but I already had a lot of terrain in 28mm.
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The same with me I have lots of 28mm Terrain. But I have a lot of periods in 15mm so the only thing I would need would be 15mm buildings,
these are some of the buildings we use for Ronin.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7475/16192410491_a572416ba5.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qESkve)DSC_0084 (https://flic.kr/p/qESkve) by William Keyser (https://www.flickr.com/photos/48272284@N08/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1499/24406747254_974e2b0ce9.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DbJXD9)Samurai village (https://flic.kr/p/DbJXD9) by William Keyser (https://www.flickr.com/photos/48272284@N08/), on Flickr
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You don't really need buildings, just some trees and a few other obstacles. We do keep meaning to put a load of buildings on the table and do one of the fights in Kamakura with bushi riding through the streets.
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I think I am going to have to put in a order to Kurhsan and give it a go. I will get a mat from Deep Cut studios they will print the hexes on a nice grass mat. The hexes will be 30mm and the size will be 1mx1m. This can then double for a large playing area for Senjetsu the new boardgame that is just out about Samurai Duels.
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It's been a while but back on the table with the Battle of Kawagoe (1546). Hōjō Ujiyasu undertakes an audacious night march to relieve the siege of Kawagoe Castle by the Uesugi. This was to try out using my 'small battle' bases for the big battle 'Tenka Fubu' rules. As those bases are more generic, it's easier to add command bases to make up specific clans, and as Tenka Fubu is grid-based, the game doesn't mind what's actually in the square. So it's just down to the 'look.'
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDvv8i2XkAA0gId?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDvv8i5XsAASjb0?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
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Excellent once again (sorry I missed this one)!
And may I be the first to say "It's the fort that counts"... :D
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Well, maybe not quite the first....
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/)
Nearly two years since that post and I still haven't done that particular Kawanakajima game.
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Well, maybe not quite the first....
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2022/03/08/its-the-fort-that-counts/)
Nearly two years since that post and I still haven't done that particular Kawanakajima game.
Oh indeed. But the first today! :D
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Brief write-up of the battle on the 'blog:
https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2024/01/17/the-battle-of-kawagoe-1546/ (https://tenkafubu608971038.wordpress.com/2024/01/17/the-battle-of-kawagoe-1546/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GD4RScfWgAA5Uwk?format=jpg&name=large)
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I've been replacing some of the old cheap Chinese wire trees in my village with some new ones made from 3D printed armatures from Lazy Forger.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIyYewuWAAArtyt?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIyYewoX0AA7im6?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIyYqZyW4AEqna0?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIyYqaYW8AAUddI?format=jpg&name=large)
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They look great. A very nice looking terrain board.
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Added another 6 sections to the modular fort. And shown with the rest of it so far.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKPFUuBWEAAzNpd?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKPFUuZWQAEzm3Z?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKPFUuGWoAALNx6?format=jpg&name=large)
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Just superb. 8)
What size bases do you use for these tiles?
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Thanks. The tiles are 10cm squares. They're to match the grid size of the mat I use.
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Thanks. The tiles are 10cm squares. They're to match the grid size of the mat I use.
So are the mini's based on a 5cm wide base?
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Those ones pictured are, but they are command stands. My normal infantry units are 10cm frontage.
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Those ones pictured are, but they are command stands. My normal infantry units are 10cm frontage.
That makes sense. 8)
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Your collection, your paint jobs, your terrain, and your AARs are all amazing. Enjoy all of it.
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Thanks very much