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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Malebolgia on July 25, 2017, 08:18:34 PM
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-tabletop-miniatures-game
And it's live.
The usual CMON Kickstarter...poor content at the start but then CMON opens up the stretch goal machine and backers are happy again ;)
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150$ for a boxed tabletop game with plastics? Yes, the minis look nice, especially when painted by Jen Haley, and there will be fine stretch goals, but the game mechanics look quite poor. Let's see what's coming up ...
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For that many miniatures, I'm happy to keep an eye on this!
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150$ for a boxed tabletop game with plastics?
Note: PVC plastics, so not even HIPS.
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I don't *think* I'll back this. And I agree the rules look a bit meh...but...with all the likely stretch goals to come this box might be brilliant value for a big box of Asoiaf goodies that you can use with Dragon rampant, Or Kings of War, or any ruleset you care to mention. It's basically a little over a dollar a model at the moment..and being Dark Sword I expect them to be good...
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Ignoring the material they're manufactured in, the quality of the sculpts looks good. Unfortunately, ASOIAF always looked quite a bit more like historical medievals to me in my head, and not "stylized movie-set costumes". They're not as "exaggerated fantasy" as I thought they might be, but... I'm good. I'll enjoy converting my Perry's. :D. I agree with other comments on the rules, they look pretty blah to me. Not bad per se, but not adding anything to make me consider them beyond what other sets do already, and they seem to have extra gimmicks and clunkiness (to sell you more accessories, as CMON and FFG games tend to do...) without it really adding much in the way of decisions to the game.
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Does anybody now what scale these miniatures will be?
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32mm per the CMoN representative in the comments section.
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When I first saw the digital renders I was interested, they are really nice - just that little bit of fantasy on a "historical" framework. I never really expect boardgames to deliver a wargame experience, if it does that's a bonus, so that aspect doesn't worry me. And theoretically, a $1 a figure is cheap. But, but....PVC....even if they do have plastic weapons to eliminate bendy syndrome. I will keep watching, but it's a much higher than usual sticker price and so far, it doesn't stand out that much. When a starter game is 50% higher price than GW, it's expensive.
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There's a decent gameplay video on Beast of War from a month or so back for anyone interested.
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There's a decent gameplay video on Beast of War from a month or so back for anyone interested.
Might check this out actually, thanks!
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Wasn't enough for these folks to have miniatures made for their games from Asia.
They also moved their HQ is Singapore.
No thanks.
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For me the breaker is pre-assembled PVC. The gameplay looks interesting enough to where I would have picked up a rulebook if this were a normal game. I just can't see myself enjoying painting a hundred plus miniatures that will have huge gaps, bendy weapons and be made more difficult to convert by already being glued.
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For me the breaker is pre-assembled PVC. The gameplay looks interesting enough to where I would have picked up a rulebook if this were a normal game. I just can't see myself enjoying painting a hundred plus miniatures that will have huge gaps, bendy weapons and be made more difficult to convert by already being glued.
The weapons are made of a hard material, like Wrath of Kings, and shouldn't bend. I agree that pre-assembly leads to dubious quality though.
You'll be able to download the rulebook, you can get a draft version now, but it's incomplete.
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I am tempeted by the minis, and after painting 24 of the Bloodrage Vikings a I am quite convinced about the production quality :)
Just the 32mm scale (ok for big norse men) is my point to hesitate and I so have not pledged...yet
cheers Thomas
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It all looks quite good, but that is what it is designed to do. It seems quite expensive too.
I don't like the materials used having had some from previous games so even though I love the idea, it's not for me.
I think amalgamating lots of the different boxes of plastics like captain blood has done and using Dragon Rampant could be quite a fun project.
Dodge
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I think amalgamating lots of the different boxes of plastics like captain blood has done and using Dragon Rampant could be quite a fun project.
I agree. Using all the plastic kits out there really does allow you to build pretty much whatever vision of ASoIaF that you have in your head.
And it is much more personal too.
There are some nice figures in there, though, but the material would bother me.
I have Blood Rage and would not be happy painting the human-sized figures for gaming.
Too bendy for my liking.
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There are some nice figures in there, though, but the material would bother me.
I have Blood Rage and would not be happy painting the human-sized figures for gaming.
Too bendy for my liking.
I got blood rage and Conan and I'm sort of Hmmmm on the figures more so the Blood Rage ones, impulsive purchases :-I which I have sort of come to regret :)
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I got blood rage and Conan and I'm sort of Hmmmm on the figures more so the Blood Rage ones, impulsive purchases :-I which I have sort of come to regret :)
Oh, I do not regret getting Blood Rage as the game is good fun, something a little different to the norm (for me, anyway) and the larger figures may see service in my Norse faction for OGAM.
Which is an nice added bonus.
;)
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I am wondering a little bit about the nearly no interest in this project here in LAF ???
Is it because there are so many "selfmade" (and highly sophisticated) projects by some members here?
I love the Perry minis, but I also find the quite consistent army looks of this KS very tempting.
The basic box has now reached the 1$ per mini level (like Blood Rage), so I put in some money. I have to admit that the future single boxes RRP with 35$ is for too high for my liking given the number of minis and the limited no of sculpts...
cheers Thomas
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I also find the quite consistent army looks of this KS very tempting
Same here, I'm in after a rather fortuitous tax rebate! :)
The exclusive to Kickstarter minis do look rather nice. I've added the Tully Sworn Shields and the Bolton Cutthroats units to my pledge.
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In the end I am out because the scale is off with my existing miniatures, because they are pre-assembled, and because I didn't see anything in the rules I particularily like. The figures look just fine, they will make a nice looking army but I'd rather spend my money on a few other things right now.
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I am wondering a little bit about the nearly no interest in this project here in LAF ???
Is it because there are so many "selfmade" (and highly sophisticated) projects by some members here?
I love the Perry minis, but I also find the quite consistent army looks of this KS very tempting.
I'd say a little column A, a little column B.
Seeing CaptainBlood and HVM (Frank? I forget his actual username) and countless others make gorgeous projects using the available historical and fantasy plastics kitbashed together is certainly inspirational, and Perry miniatures are definitely popular around here (I happen to love them as well lol ).
But I also fall squarely opposite you in regards to the "consistent army look" side of things. I read the books first, and I also love medieval history, which impacted how I saw the books in my head. I just can't square that with a feudal medieval army having true "uniforms". Even the Romans (and later the Byzantine Romans) probably weren't as uniform as people used to think. This forum seems to attract gamers who like conversions and kitbashing, so that's the most likely opinion you'll see on here. I saw a post about this KS on reddit and it was much less critical.
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I have went in on this one.
Quite a few good stretch goals unlocked and some nice looking units.
The Lannister crossbowmen have been added to buy now.
The next SG figure is Tyrion in armour.
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I absolutely love the Tully sworn shields.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/856/038/b4c09ab2734d0d098acb98f806d8926a_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1502297767&auto=format&q=92&s=21b646bf528defdf356b0c39316afb4b)
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/017/856/228/a33ccbeedced86dc0d88bf6433fed8f0_original.jpg?w=639&fit=max&v=1502298664&auto=format&q=92&s=66b52f99902eefadabee1361a299613a)
I will likely go in for one of everything, miniature-wise. There are some stellar conversions, for sure, but I know myself enough to guess that there is no way I will ever convert an entire army of starks or lannisters, etc.
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They're just not my vision of the forces portrayed in the books. The HBO series pushes the overall look a little away from medieval towards fantasy. These push it even further. They have a very definite fantastical, over-ornate look to the armour which owes more to fantasy wargaming visual cues and cliches, and less to the world described by George RR Martin.
In short, they have a very definite look of their own, which is going to be incompatible with the GoT figures I've already gOt ;)
Also, if they're the same material as Blood Rage, then they're going to be too bendy. The assorted trolls, beasts and monsters were splendid models. The figures representing 28mm men were (IMHO) a bit meh with soft detail and bendy spears.
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They're just not my vision of the forces portrayed in the books. The HBO series pushes the overall look a little away from medieval towards fantasy. These push it even further. They have a very definite fantastical, over-ornate look to the armour which owes more to fantasy wargaming visual cues and cliches, and less to the world described by George RR Martin.
In short, they have a very definite look of their own, which is going to be incompatible with the GoT figures I've already gOt ;)
Also, if they're the same material as Blood Rage, then they're going to be too bendy. The assorted trolls, beasts and monsters were splendid models. The figures representing 28mm men were (IMHO) a bit meh with soft detail and bendy spears.
I totally agree. IMO, and noone needs to share it :), GoT in the books was very much a true (high) Middle Ages setting with the odd dragon tossed in. This KS has too much fantasy (berserkers with two axes, really guys?) thrown in.
Plus: I do have the Conan KS and mus say materialwise I can go with big monsters, but masses of clone troopers can be a pest to paint.
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Lack of pose variety, material used and cost charged have killed it for me. At this stage it's about $1 per figure, which is not bad, but not for single pose (okay three poses) infantry per unit. I am tempted a bit as I think it would make a fine Dragon Rampant project, but I can get far more for my money elsewhere. Blood Rage was a similar game, and I paid about £65 at the time. Even in dollar terms, this is at least 50% more expensive. I guess that's mostly down to license fee. Those are my reasons for not backing.
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The price (edging to $1 per figure) seems quite reasonable to me. They have a strong fantasy feel, but fantasy is what we mainly play. They are very nice sculpts.
Been a while since I read the books, but I did not envision a historical/medieval look when I was reading them, not with descriptions of ornate helmets, colored armor, etc. Admittedly, those descriptions of super-flossy heavy armor were for knights from powerful families, not from rank-and-file troopies.
I will likely never use them for the game itself, but I think they will be seeing action in our D&D campaign (once painted up).
-Michael
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Lack of pose variety, material used and cost charged have killed it for me. At this stage it's about $1 per figure, which is not bad, but not for single pose (okay three poses) infantry per unit. I am tempted a bit as I think it would make a fine Dragon Rampant project, but I can get far more for my money elsewhere. Blood Rage was a similar game, and I paid about £65 at the time. Even in dollar terms, this is at least 50% more expensive. I guess that's mostly down to license fee. Those are my reasons for not backing.
Blood Rage had half or less the number of figures here. It was also a board game whereas this is a true table top wargame. Definitely dissimilar. Not sure if that makes any difference to you.
I totally agree about the pose variety. That is one of the bigger gripes I have. Why have 2 poses for characters that I can only use one of? Why not another pose for the rank and file? Kinda annoying.
They're just not my vision of the forces portrayed in the books. The HBO series pushes the overall look a little away from medieval towards fantasy. These push it even further. They have a very definite fantastical, over-ornate look to the armour which owes more to fantasy wargaming visual cues and cliches, and less to the world described by George RR Martin.
In short, they have a very definite look of their own, which is going to be incompatible with the GoT figures I've already gOt ;)
Also, if they're the same material as Blood Rage, then they're going to be too bendy. The assorted trolls, beasts and monsters were splendid models. The figures representing 28mm men were (IMHO) a bit meh with soft detail and bendy spears.
My Blood Rage figures are all pretty good in the detail department. Maybe you have some bad casts? Bendy spears are the easiest thing in the world to fix. If the boil and reposition method doesn't fix them, replacing them with wire is easy enough.
Just as an aside did you folks realize that GRRM is approving all the designs? These are as official as can be with regard to the author's intent. Now whether they closely match the descriptions in the books is another matter...
I'm in on this one, personally. Even if I never get a game with them, the figures will have use in several other skirmish games and RPG sessions.
~Eric
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As a P.S. to my earlier post: I love mult-part plastic figures that you can arrange into an infinite variety of poses. I have a large # of old Warhammer, Perry, Fireforge, Frostgrave, etc. figures and I love working with them.* That doesn't mean I don't love a good single-cast figure, whether plastic, resin or metal. I have a seriously bad case of "Oooo Shiney!" syndrome, and frankly by far more figures than I can paint.
eMills, I think the alternate-character pose is an appeal to (1) the collector in us, and perhaps (2) to dealer in us (if I pay $200 for these figures, but can sell these three alternate-pose characters for $50 on eBay, then woohoo all my swag only cost me $50!).
-Michael
*The Mordheim mercenaries, later repackaged as Warhammer Empire militia figures, remain my favorites of the multi-part plastic kits. Unless I misremember, those were done by one of the Perry Brothers for GW.
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I think I might be in on this one too, but more in a "I probably won't play it and most certainly won't paint the figures but I can always sell it and make a few bucks on the KS-exclusives" sort of way than that I'm really enthousiastic on this one.
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Just to correct something I've read several places, these should not suffer from bendy weapon syndrome because they are making the weapons out of a different material, like they did with Wrath of Kings. They will be assembled at the factory (based on the renders I doubt any figure will have more than two parts so they'll still be closer to monopose on the shape limitations.) Still not sure if I'll be backing it myself because the rules seem a little too basic to me and I have a million CMoN minis already.
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I heard that as well that the weapons will be a harder plastic than the rest of the figures. I have seen the CMON wrath of kings figures and they are stellar, so I am hoping these will look similar.
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As a P.S. to my earlier post: I love mult-part plastic figures that you can arrange into an infinite variety of poses. I have a large # of old Warhammer, Perry, Fireforge, Frostgrave, etc. figures and I love working with them.* That doesn't mean I don't love a good single-cast figure, whether plastic, resin or metal. I have a seriously bad case of "Oooo Shiney!" syndrome, and frankly by far more figures than I can paint.
eMills, I think the alternate-character pose is an appeal to (1) the collector in us, and perhaps (2) to dealer in us (if I pay $200 for these figures, but can sell these three alternate-pose characters for $50 on eBay, then woohoo all my swag only cost me $50!).
-Michael
*The Mordheim mercenaries, later repackaged as Warhammer Empire militia figures, remain my favorites of the multi-part plastic kits. Unless I misremember, those were done by one of the Perry Brothers for GW.
I agree with pretty much all of this. lol
I had completely forgotten about the harder material for weapons. I have Wrath of King's figures and that is a good move in my opinion.
Appealing to resellers ("scalpers" if you will) via exclusives is my biggest pet peeve of Kickstarters, and the miniatures hobby in general.
~Eric
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I rather like the look of the Lannisters and Tullys, with their ornate plate armour. It's definitely fantasy, but nothing too silly.
Though I can't stand the 'berserkers', not that they are bad sculpts at all, but I hate the idea that northerners have to have beards, axes (usually two) and no helmets. And have 'berserkers', because if you live up north going beserk helps keep you warm.
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Though I can't stand the 'berserkers', not that they are bad sculpts at all, but I hate the idea that northerners have to have beards, axes (usually two) and no helmets. And have 'berserkers', because if you live up north going beserk helps keep you warm.
Yes, there's a lot of 'added colour' in this promotion that owes nothing to G.R.R.Martin, and a lot to the Warhammer-raised culture of the designers and marketers... 'Lannister Assault Veterans', 'Umber Berserkers' and 'Bolton Flayed Men' as categories of troops, as if these are defined in the novels... Such a load of ersatz bollocks... ::)
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I'm so on the fence as to whether to pull out or not. I think maybe I will pull out. I don't really need this and am only getting it because I like GoT. Not so much into the mass battle things.
My names Beefcake, I'm a miniholic.
Edit: In fact I just cancelled, I feel a weight off my shoulders, and back into my pocket.
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Ha ha, I'm the opposite, keep thinking I would be mad not to jump in before it ends. Shiney!!! ::)
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I'm so on the fence as to whether to pull out or not. I think maybe I will pull out. I don't really need this and am only getting it because I like GoT. Not so much into the mass battle things.
My names Beefcake, I'm a miniholic.
Edit: In fact I just cancelled, I feel a weight off my shoulders, and back into my pocket.
Damn, exactly my thoughts!
I love GoT, but fantasy mass battle is SO not my thing...
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Ha ha, I'm the opposite, keep thinking I would be mad not to jump in before it ends. Shiney!!! ::)
I know. But the amount of unpainted boardgame minis I have is ridiculous!
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@Beefcake: The DeLuxe rulebook is a must imho, even if you don't back this ks. I won't buy this for the models alone ( bended weapons isn't the biggest problem as CMON said they'd use different plastic for them, but the detail in the plastic just isn't good enough om 28mm unit models imho ). I bought Blood Rage for the models but the standard vikings and smaller monsters arent't good enough imho. I kept it because the big monsters are great and the game is big fun, but it made me more wary about backing kickstarters with many 28mm humans for board games.
As this one hasn't got any interesting ks-exclusive characters ( Seneschal is fun, but the rest are varieties ) I'll stick with the 20$ rulebook and will use proxies for the game.
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Well as people say, the Perry miniatures fit really well. Honestly though, just using Lion or Dragon Rampant with GoT themed minis might work just as well.
I was really hoping they would open up White Walkers, Night's Watch, Free folk and Giants. Maybe that will be a future CMoN KS with this IP. I'd be more tempted for that I think.
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My figures will be far more likely to appear in RPG sessions or skirmish games than a mass battle game. Although for a while our highest level characters were involved in a war and we had a weird but fun Morheim/Warhammer/D&D mashup. The relatively small number of figures in each unit and faction in this KS actually lends itself to skirmish and RPG games, it seems to me.
-Michael
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The Blackfish is the next stretch goal and the sculpt looks great.
The game looks to be on the smaller side of the Mass battle market to me.Not as many or big units as Warhammer.
This will be my first CMON KS project that i have backed.
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Just as an aside did you folks realize that GRRM is approving all the designs? These are as official as can be with regard to the author's intent. Now whether they closely match the descriptions in the books is another matter...
I think you misunderstand us... it's all well and good that other people like the designs, it's just not doing it for me. The KS seems massively successful and for people that enjoy an all-in-one package and are not modelers, or enjoy the more overt Fantasy vibe, I'm glad they have a game and/or figures to their liking now. I'm not suggesting those people shouldn't like it, just that I'm not going to buy it because I have no desire to own them. :D
I rather like the look of the Lannisters and Tullys, with their ornate plate armour. It's definitely fantasy, but nothing too silly.
Yes I think the designs for them work much better. The Tullys especially, though they don't really jive with my vision of GOT, I can't deny the inherent cool factor of those designs. :)
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Just as an aside did you folks realize that GRRM is approving all the designs? These are as official as can be with regard to the author's intent. Now whether they closely match the descriptions in the books is another matter...
I think this (your final point there) is the point, Eric.
GRRM may well be approving all the lovely things that are put in front of him by HBO and other merchandisers and recreators of his fictional world. But the various fantastical, baroque visions of wardrobe, arms and armour so approved, are NOT what he has portrayed in his books, where the world of Westeros is pretty bog-standard medieval in almost every respect and reference.
So, either you go with the man's original intent and vision, and try to interpret that for yourself; or you accept the 're-envisioning' of his make-believe world by people with a lot more design resources and influences at their disposal, than George ever had in his head at the time he was writing the novels and creating his make-believe quasi-medieval world...
It's the same argument about the world Tolkien portrays in the Lord of the Rings. Visually, there's not a lot to it - iron helms and chainmail. Versus the uber-gothic interpretations of legions of illustrators, movie makers and model figure makers...
Either a toy soldier matches your idea of what you've read described in the book, or it doesn't. For me, nice as they are, some of these CMON GoT miniatures owe just a bit too much to established fantasy wargaming design convention. But it's a personal choice, of course :)
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It's nice to see the discussion has enlivened very much and in such a pleasant atmosphere :)
I think some of the views given here help me to understand why these praised background did not raise as much money in the KS as I expected.
I am in the KS now, although I am not too sure about the quality of the rules by now.
We'll probably play some test games and see...
I am convinced the minis will make nice WHFB troops :)
thanks and cheers Thomas
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@Beefcake: The DeLuxe rulebook is a must imho, even if you don't back this ks. I won't buy this for the models alone ( bended weapons isn't the biggest problem as CMON said they'd use different plastic for them, but the detail in the plastic just isn't good enough om 28mm unit models imho ). I bought Blood Rage for the models but the standard vikings and smaller monsters arent't good enough imho. I kept it because the big monsters are great and the game is big fun, but it made me more wary about backing kickstarters with many 28mm humans for board games.
As this one hasn't got any interesting ks-exclusive characters ( Seneschal is fun, but the rest are varieties ) I'll stick with the 20$ rulebook and will use proxies for the game.
Apparently it is not possible to buy the rulebook without pledging for the starter kit.
Im in it, though I have some doubts. Pledged enough for a few extra boxes and the rulebook. I like the look of most miniatures(even if they don't match my own vision of the novels) , and the rules seem OK.
PS couldn't give less of a shit about Hodor, personally.
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I'll add it to the pledge of my backerbuddy but thanks for mentioning it ;).
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Last hours for the project.The Blackfish mounted version has just unlocked and the Mountain mounted version is coming up next then the Iron Throne.
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The last message from the Kickstarter previewed some of the retail exclusive models coming up including some heavy Bolton infantry, Lannister Pyromancers and another House Umber unit for Stark.
At Gencon they displayed some characters from the Nights Watch (including a war machine), characters and unit models from the Free Folk, a further war machine and Cold Hands riding an Elk. So seem the second starter set next year is going for a Northern setting. I am surprised they didn't at least reveal the models for the units during the Kickstarter as may have stired up some more interest.
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Interesting. Thanks, Aeneades.
-Michael
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There is a video out which show's more figures.Some of the maybe Wildlings and Thengs.From what i could make out them looked really good figures.Wish they would post pictures of them online.
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I found this blog post using simple google-fu:
http://blog.childrenofthekraken.com/2017/08/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-miniatures.html
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I found this blog post using simple google-fu:
http://blog.childrenofthekraken.com/2017/08/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-miniatures.html
Those siege engines look pretty cool.
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Needs more Stannis.
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Have to say I'm curious - I've a few kitbashed plastic GOT; are these totally out of proportion to perry/fireforge/frostgrave? And when do late pledges close?
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I have some Dark Sword metals that I picked up on a sale, and they tower over my kitbashed models.
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Thank you! There's often a bit of wriggle room between ranges but your comment there reminds me - Dark Sword are much taller. Much as I like the figures I'd rather keep in scale