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Title: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Le Korrigan on August 13, 2017, 06:12:11 PM
I just finished painting the Armorican Britons for my Saga Aetius & Arthur project.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5cKtqJUIjaM/WY_HooRb_-I/AAAAAAAAFf8/X_NpZw0BZjAWgIdz2WKVOttZaBy1tkOAwCLcBGAs/s640/1409405.jpg)

"Brittany was known during the Roman period as Armorica. It was home to several Celtic tribes that largely lost their identity following conquest by Rome. But one of them did leave their name behind. The tribe of the Veneti had been the most powerful of Armorica's tribes, and that name gradually changed during the Roman occupation to Vannetais. It's the same name, but with a different suffix, and a shift in pronouncing the first vowel. The name had a transition stage during which it was referred to as Guenet by the Bretons. This name is precisely cognate to Gwynedd, with any perceived difference merely being down to different dialectal variants. Even the island of Belle-Île-en-Mer (ar Gerveur in Modern Breton, or Guedel in Old Breton) to the south of Brittany was known by the Romans as Vindilis, preserving the link to the Veneti.

This was how Armorica was initially known to the Britons who began migrating there in the fourth century AD, during a period in which British town life appears to have declined. Links established prior to the coming of Rome between south-western Britain and Armorica seem to have been maintained. The low-key migration from Britain into Armorica seems to have picked up noticeably in the mid-fourth century, but it became a flood in the unsettled fifth century. Traditional certainly maintains that the British colony in Armorica was founded before the expedition of Constantine III in 407. People arrived mainly from the south-west of Britain, from Dumnonia and Cornubia, and each group retained its ethnic name (ergo the people in each region knew exactly what they were ethnically or tribally, regardless of who was king over them).

FeatureThis new colony of Britons formed in a region that was beginning to drift out of firm Roman control. The colony's traditional first king, Conan Meriadog, ruled Armorica as the kingdom of Vannetais, maintaining the local Gaulish tribal name. The very fact that this has been claimed as a kingdom by multiple original sources certainly expresses a diminishing of Roman control over the region. The area was permanently 'freed' of Roman control by Magnus Maximus as the first stage of his invasion of Gaul in 383. Conan was placed in command, with a probable capital in Vannes. Although Brittany extended as far as Blois until 491, the land holdings outside its traditional borders are vaguely described, and may not even have been part of the kingdom's accepted territory.

The usual Celtic practice of dividing territory between sons soon created the smaller principalities out of Vannetais during the course of the fifth and sixth centuries whilst other Britons also popped over from the mainland to found their own principalities. The old name of Vannetais appears to have fallen out of use after its last remnant was renamed Bro Erech, and the colony's high kings simply termed themselves kings of the Bretons, or Brittany - the land of the Britons. Although the principalities of Bro Erech, Cornouaille, Domnonia, Leon and Poher, are mentioned often in Brittany, whenever the Bretons had dealings outside their borders only one king of the Bretons is mentioned. It seems highly likely that these many principalities operated on the same basis as their mainland British equivalents - petty kingdoms that vied with each other for power, but which acknowledged the strongest king amongst them as their representative in external affairs, and sometimes internal affairs too, when the interference warranted it. Britain itself had a well-established tradition of recognising a high king, and the later Anglo-Saxon invaders recognised the power of such a 'brand' by adopting their own format of it in the Bretwaldas."


From Kings of the Bretons (Vannetais / Britanni / Brittany).
Retrieved from http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/ArmoricaHighKings.htm (http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/ArmoricaHighKings.htm)[/i]


Here are the first shots:

Mounted Hearthguards

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eSC3zke8ZW4/WY_P3UofoII/AAAAAAAAFgo/syGIA0ZP9WUJIb9W1YYsSplHznw_XfUZACLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8554.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nu3GAG7ZB9E/WY_P1gxwHII/AAAAAAAAFgc/NJP89Njvpg8E9ReSjkICCssGm1tlNPXXACLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8543.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yvVC52GkABM/WY_P5QugcYI/AAAAAAAAFgw/kitLiSgv01MPHbywWNEXAyiJlwwG9SIxACLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8564.jpg)

Druids (with Nimue on the right?)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_Pav-jWf8Hk/WY_P5hbC6sI/AAAAAAAAFg0/tAvmNw6QZV88BAXGgKfGJYeWJq46v5GtwCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8576.jpg)

Hounds

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-03Sbdv8UJtg/WY_P6bA7IbI/AAAAAAAAFg8/CeDGmye3QkoiqhZKDgvIoKtQ_bgdNwLSwCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8586.jpg)

Levies with bows

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TRo6y38FU0c/WY_P8ILGuVI/AAAAAAAAFhI/8Kg_PHpVJZMJfbq4VjMxeM_Kj56LOsXWACLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8593.jpg)

Hearthguards on foot

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tDXTX5ISTXQ/WY_P8pMVmwI/AAAAAAAAFhM/9uPhQ0oJ1LcPLOIrALVzurTwQo4YYDIewCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8597.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pyo7NH48NGc/WY_P9DZVdUI/AAAAAAAAFhQ/F0moRxE3j7Yl8NwDYR2ddstgwWho85aTQCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8604.jpg)

Myrddin, the enlightened

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qSAWqcKdM8k/WY_P--ivnoI/AAAAAAAAFhc/kNTaFwZsvrcSZTExmxNj8DAdSqqwbYJogCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8613.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J9hh-1LctRs/WY_P_jo84NI/AAAAAAAAFhg/WhOnzRHT5KQ5MxxOnINqm5VCLJNEIawFwCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8616.jpg)

3 units of Warriors

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bojn3hZhj8s/WY_QAxJizvI/AAAAAAAAFho/fVF9scZ2yJ0-DR3ZmYHbWypy9M8Jg7F1QCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8622.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zI1Fv3aPu5I/WY_QB5wDswI/AAAAAAAAFhw/JEmrt7zDKOkEKSwIF8TytWgl32iPykEtACLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8634.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AGVKMB6Eg2I/WY_QD0yNOEI/AAAAAAAAFh8/9sSi_943xkAQ3OMJFm5KFdNCQvJ2soSKACLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8640.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VcBB7V_7PTU/WY_QEcdtFxI/AAAAAAAAFiA/SYbzYvmTWmsW2d2v-H8xGcK-rqMgWC9TQCLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8643.jpg)

The whole warband

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ADombOWIgGI/WY_QFQGbIqI/AAAAAAAAFiI/9TX2I4XWo90Ae9On-ub4TPRnurUsQATGACLcBGAs/s640/IMAG8660.jpg)

Ry'n ni yma o hyd,
Er gwaetha pawb a phopeth!

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Title: Re: Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: aircav on August 13, 2017, 07:52:36 PM
Fantastic stuff 8)
Title: Re: Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Captain Blood on August 13, 2017, 08:24:37 PM
Great collection  :-*
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Thargor on August 13, 2017, 10:21:56 PM
Wow.

Great painting and a great army.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Phil Portway on August 13, 2017, 10:24:51 PM
Fantastic Project and lovely painting!  8) 8)
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: mweaver on August 13, 2017, 11:56:58 PM
Nice!  Good luck to them in battle.

-Michael
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: twrchtrwyth on August 14, 2017, 02:50:13 AM
Great painting.

And nice to bump into another Dafydd Iwan fan.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Corso on August 14, 2017, 06:29:25 AM
Amazing stuff there - highly evocative! :-*
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: swordman on August 14, 2017, 07:05:18 AM
 :o great job!
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Utgaard on August 14, 2017, 01:17:38 PM
Beautiful painted and beautiful bases - very well done!
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: THE CID on August 14, 2017, 01:24:05 PM
Very nice collection.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Codsticker on August 14, 2017, 04:53:14 PM
Beautiful stuff!
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: cram on August 14, 2017, 06:02:29 PM
Rhagorol!

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Le Korrigan on August 15, 2017, 05:48:13 AM
Trugarez d'an holl! Diolch! Merasta!  :)
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: charla51 on August 15, 2017, 04:46:27 PM
As a matter of interest, on your map: who are the 'Ebrauc'? I've covered a fair bit of the history of these times, but never come across them.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Counterpane on August 15, 2017, 06:20:32 PM
Fascinating!  I'm planning something similar, in the same area but set fifty or sixty years earlier.  I'll be using Lion Rampant rules.
 
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Le Korrigan on August 15, 2017, 06:24:18 PM
As a matter of interest, on your map: who are the 'Ebrauc'? I've covered a fair bit of the history of these times, but never come across them.

Hi, you can get some information about the Ebrauc on this website:

http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/BritainEbrauc.htm (http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/BritainEbrauc.htm)
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: twrchtrwyth on August 15, 2017, 08:13:41 PM
As a matter of interest, on your map: who are the 'Ebrauc'? I've covered a fair bit of the history of these times, but never come across them.
In modern Welsh, York is known as Efrog, Yorkshire is Swydd Efrog.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Irregular Wars Nic on August 16, 2017, 06:03:50 PM
WOW. Those are great!
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Michi on August 17, 2017, 07:45:59 AM
These are really outstanding miniatures. I like these paintjobs. Your introduction to the subject is great too, although every European of a certain age should already know what you are talking about  ;) :
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/39/89/8d/39898d7b41c21c0b9a843562c26be6aa--asterix-obelix-pictorial-maps.jpg)
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: charla51 on August 17, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
So 'Ebrauc' refers to the areas of Bernicia and Deira, both old British names, and both areas later settled by Anglians and Saxons?
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: WillieB on August 17, 2017, 11:19:38 PM
So 'Ebrauc' refers to the areas of Bernicia and Deira, both old British names, and both areas later settled by Anglians and Saxons?
Partly anyway. I think the bigger part of what was to become Bernicia was actually Brineich before.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Le Korrigan on August 18, 2017, 12:35:08 AM
lthough every European of a certain age should already know what you are talking about  ;) :

So true  ;) But most of Breton people forgot that part of our ancestors migrated from southwestern Great Britain in waves from the third to ninth century (most heavily from 450-600) into Armorica ... hundred years, after Asterix and Obelix died  :'(

So 'Ebrauc' refers to the areas of Bernicia and Deira, both old British names, and both areas later settled by Anglians and Saxons?

Deira is definitively of Brythonic origin. The names Deira or Derwent refer to a place with oaks (derv in modern Breton/Brezhoneg, plural dervenn - I think it's derw in Welsh/Cymraeg).

I will probably have finished the new settlers Saxon warband (Angles) by Sunday  :D

Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: DintheDin on August 18, 2017, 07:56:33 AM
Neat paintjob! Gorgeous! I wish you have many exciting games with them!
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: charla51 on August 20, 2017, 06:38:20 PM
'Berniech' is the British form of Bernicia ,'Land of the Gaps' i.e. the river valleys of the Tyne, Wear and Tees, allowing East -West access across the country. The English settlements seemed to have moved that way in this area.

The Gododdin seem to have held sway over the lands in this region as far south as the Tees. One of their earlier heroes, Cunedda, 'ruled' in the area around what is now Chester-le-Street, before moving to North Wales with his sons to establish the Gwynedd dynasty (or so legend has it).

The Wall doesn't appear to have been a physical or political barrier to the post-Roman British.

See Charles-Edwards 'Wales and the Britons 350 -1064' OUP, 2013, for an up to date account.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: richardpate on March 08, 2018, 11:12:04 PM
very nicely done
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Le Korrigan on March 16, 2018, 01:05:53 AM
Thank you Richard  :)
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Arlequín on March 16, 2018, 10:50:08 AM
Wonderful painting and a very interesting, and original project. Thanks for sharing!  :)

'Berniech' is the British form of Bernicia ,'Land of the Gaps' i.e. the river valleys of the Tyne, Wear and Tees, allowing East -West access across the country. The English settlements seemed to have moved that way in this area.

The Gododdin seem to have held sway over the lands in this region as far south as the Tees. One of their earlier heroes, Cunedda, 'ruled' in the area around what is now Chester-le-Street, before moving to North Wales with his sons to establish the Gwynedd dynasty (or so legend has it).

The Wall doesn't appear to have been a physical or political barrier to the post-Roman British.

See Charles-Edwards 'Wales and the Britons 350 -1064' OUP, 2013, for an up to date account.

C. 470 Ebrauc could have been a proto-kingdom based on the old military district governed from York. It could have sub-divided into two successor kingdoms following the death of its first 'king'; primogeniture wasn't the British way of doing things apparently.

Charles-Edwards does actually mention this and other possibilities, as well as Rheged possibly being the same but based on the mysterious province of 'Valentinia'.

In any case the thread is about Armorica, so let's not drift from that huh?   :)
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Le Korrigan on March 17, 2018, 12:55:48 PM
Wonderful painting and a very interesting, and original project. Thanks for sharing!  :)


Mann ebet Arlequin, trugarez bras dit! 

Thank you ;)
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Patrice on March 17, 2018, 04:53:01 PM
Ooooh I had missed this thread!  :o o_o

Superb!
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on June 04, 2022, 09:08:53 AM
Great work!👍
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Golgotha on June 04, 2022, 11:25:16 AM
Love the background and miniatures. On page 1 you have a druid/wizard-looking individual who is the manufacturer? I am looking for a suitable druid for my Celtic Ancients and he may well be fit for my purposes.
Title: Re: Saga Armorican Britons - Y ddraig goch ddry cychwyn!
Post by: Patrice on June 04, 2022, 11:49:30 AM
a druid/wizard-looking individual who is the manufacturer?

Footsore.
https://footsoreminiatures.co.uk/collections/late-roman-romano-british-early-byzantine/products/lancelot-and-merlin