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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Engel on September 05, 2017, 08:03:55 PM
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I stumbled upon this, hope its not posted before.
I loved their archers so this could be promising. :D
They have come a long way since their first plastic Normans that I dont like at all...
http://www.conquest-games.co.uk/index.php (http://www.conquest-games.co.uk/index.php)
23rd August 2017 - It has been a while but we now have some promotional pictures for our Medieval Knights box set. More pictures of the box set and what you will get in it will be appearing in the forum over the next few days.
Here's a painted example of one of the 3-Ups...
(http://www.conquest-games.co.uk/images/MK21web.jpg)
And here is a shot of some painted examples of what you can make from the box...
(http://www.conquest-games.co.uk/images/11web.jpg)
The front rank features examples from around the the reign of King John, and the rear rank shows examples from around the time of The Anarchy and the reign of King Stephen.
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I didn't like their archers to be honest. But these do look more promising. Will provide more good components at any rate 8)
The horses actually look really good and versatile for all sorts of uses.
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That does look promising. Thanks for posting.
Out of curiosity, Capt. B, what do you not like about the archers? (I have never seen them).
-Michael
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That chainmail looks a bit off, especially in the legs?
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Finally someone is making mail legs and long sleeved arms.
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They look good, is a release date known?
Just a shame they weren't around a couple of years ago - I've now given my medieval loyalty to the early HYW...
Would they be that far out for a few poorer armed sargeants? Conversion possibilities certainly.
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Just as I am looking for some Latinikon figures!
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Hopefully some foot versions are on the way as well.
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That does look promising. Thanks for posting.
Out of curiosity, Capt. B, what do you not like about the archers? (I have never seen them).
-Michael
Michael, my brief review of them, plus pictures of the frames, are in this thread:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=76124.45
But in summary - great heads, terrible legs, soft detail, and weird half arms providing shooting postures that don't look right for the most part.
I'm afraid - for the most part - I'm just not a fan of this sculptor's work. His bow shooting poses in particular, across his output for Fireforge, Gripping Beast, Frostgrave and Conquest, are all universally odd. Like a child's notion of someone shooting a bow, rather than a realistic representation of the stance of a bowman... ::)
He does create some great character heads though.
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Thanks. Good review.
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I've been checking the Conquest Games page for a while now in anticipation of these...
I agree with Captain Blood about the Archers being a bit 'off' though although I would say that it seems that most miniature sculptors seem to struggle with archery poses- even the Perry brothers, who have produced some good archer poses but still like to add an odd 'waving hand' option for some if the drawing/loosing hands. Their WOTR nocking set of arms has the bow at a questionable angle too...
Back to the miniatures in this thread, I reckon they look promising and I am eager to see more images of them. I'm hoping they do some infantry for this period too.
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I might have a use for the horses. They look pretty good. I'd love it if someone brought out some really good plastic horses which are walking or standing.
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That chainmail looks a bit off, especially in the legs?
Absolutely - rather than the usual rows of 'C' shapes showing interlocking rings, the mail on the legs is just a row a holes - very poor in my opinion. They had good potential to be better than the somewhat later Fireforge ones (some of which have strangely oversized weapons and poses that can be a bit off), but the chainmail really lets these down.
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Like the horses so I'm gonna buy me a set. The rest, mwoah, maybe, can always cut them up in order to fix some damaged old metal ones :D.
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To be fair, the model is a painted 3up and the final miniature might look a little different.
Im not saying they will redo it but some details hopefully looks a little better when done in 28mm, even if I think a C pattern chainmail would probably have looked better.
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Although looking at them again, I think they could be used for early 14th century, especially those with kettle hats and plain-heads.
That style of great helm would be out of date, but so long as enough head options were included then they could be used as-is or some simple conversions to change the head gear into bascinets.
Conquest, if you're reading this and if the sprue layout hasn't been finalised, be a lamb and PLEASE include a few extra head options!!
That's the way my thinking was going, but you've articulated it better than I was able. TBH Im just a cheapskate trying to extend my Barons War army into the Crecy period.
The extra head options is an excellent idea.
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Absolutely - rather than the usual rows of 'C' shapes showing interlocking rings, the mail on the legs is just a row a holes - very poor in my opinion. They had good potential to be better than the somewhat later Fireforge ones (some of which have strangely oversized weapons and poses that can be a bit off), but the chainmail really lets these down.
I am glad it's not just me then. I've always liked Fireforge knights and men at arms, and reading some very critical comment about them on this forum, I felt people were being a tad harsh. But even so, I could see where people were coming from, they're not perfect to be sure. Anyways, I am surprised these are getting so good reception here. Not trying to flame anyone, just saying. Are you folks mellowing? ;)
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Are you folks mellowing?
Have you seen the threads on the Warlord Games (Pro Gloria) Landsknechte or Gripping Beast archers? lol
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In the case of the Archers, it can't just be the sculptors fault as the client surely has some say in the design of the miniatures. I believe the same sculptor that was responsible for the Conquest Games archers also did the Fireforge ones, which while not perfect seem slightly better to my eye.
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I see what people mean about the chainmail but it'll probably look fine once they are 28mm plastics. :)
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That's entirely possible, and these do look useful if I wanted to mix them with FF ones. And the horse looks good.
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I was planning to vent some of my niggling complaints when this thread was new, but I held back because I didn't want to nudge the tone toward negativity at the outset. Now that I can see most people's responses aren't too scathing, I feel like I can share my quibbles without feeling like I'm punching down.
The blurb for this set describes it as being usable from the anarchy(Stephen v. Matilda) to reign of king John. I can't speak definitively without looking at a sprue, but I see lots of surcoats, transitional greathelms and transitional heaters. If you're the sort of person who spends a lot of time browsing Manuscript Miniatures to get a sense of what is typical for a certain era, you'll probably peg this set as containing a lot of gear which doesn't show up as an outlier before the very late 12th century, and doesn't become typical before the early 13th. This is very much a Bouvines era set. I'm guessing one, or at best two minis per sprue can be constructed with gear that is typical of what was worn during The Anarchy.
Is that a problem? Not necessarily. This is a good Bouvines/Barons Wars set. However, it does overlap a little with what the Fireforge Templar set already could do. With the new shoulder joints it looks like the two sets are are pretty much compatible now. This is a better 1st Barons' War set. Fireforge makes a better 2nd Barons' War set.
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The back row of the second picture is the anarchy period, although I cant honestly tell how many of them have surcoats. Aren't transitional heaters one of the things that is very late 12th Century?
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Not with almost all of them wearing mittens/gauntlets. That places then firmly in the 13th century.
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I will be looking forward to these and the promised other kits to fill in the gaps. I've been hoping for this era for quite some time now and cant wait to use these to give them my own spin!
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Does anyone know when they will appear?
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Will have a look at them at Crisis
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Tom if you get any more information I'd love to hear when these are expected to come out!
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I love Conquest stuff, and their archers ;D More choice in medieval plastics the better.
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I haven't seen them at crisis :'(
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They weren't previewed at Crisis? Wow, either its the 'Renedra bottleneck' at play, or Conquest really don't want to sell their figures...
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I’m fairly sure they had a sprue out at Crisis, I didn’t look too closely at the table as I’d seen them at SELWG and I was after the exotic continental stuff ;) but it looked like their usual display sprue, And from a chat at SELWG I understand it’s the bottleneck factor - they are hoping for release this year but can’t commit definitely.
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It's was at Crisis, I've got a "box" to prove that. That is there is no box yet, and the sprues were the last test sprues.
You will be receiving 3 sprues of 5 knights, 3 horses and their heads and weapons , 1 sprue with the commander (cape,horn,arm with bird of prey, extra head and 3 horses + heads and weapons and 2 more sprues with 3 horses giving you in total 16 riders and 18 horses. The 2 extra horses can be used as pack horse should you have some packs and extra weapons and/or shields to glue on them.
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But are they any good, Johan? ;)
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I like them, but that is just my opinion. I'll enjoy putting them together in the most unexpected poses as I usually do with any plastic box that I buy. Your examples are a huge inspiration and push me to get even wierder poses that I think you can only achieve with plastics. One day I must invest in some serious photography stuff to take pictures and post these.
Their horses are just the same as the norman ones (each new part costs a lot of money) , the heads are like the fireforge system with a chin protuding that has to be glued over the neck. What is interesting is that for a head with the coif down, the rolled up coif can be glued between neck and head.
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Interesting. Thanks Johan. Looking forward to seeing them, as I could do with a few more feudal era knights... 8)
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I saw them too at Crisis. Although I didn't know that you could buy them. I saw a painted unit in the display cabinet (not the 3-ups) and one sprue. I think the knights looked good, much better than the Fireforge knight kits.
Bob Naismith sculpts the fireforge and conquest sets. I am also not a huge fan of his work, but I think he did a better job this time.
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I think the knights looked good, much better than the Fireforge knight kits.
Bob Naismith sculpts the fireforge and conquest sets. I am also not a huge fan of his work, but I think he did a better job this time.
That’s encouraging to hear, thank you :)
He also did all the Gripping Beast plastic sets too, and the first two Frostgrave plastic sets. I think he must be quite, erm, cost effective to get so much work from so many entrants to the plastic figure market. I find his work variable. Some of his stuff I like, like the original GB Viking and Saxon stes, and the FF sergeants. Some of his work I think is terrible, like the Conquest archers set. Heads are his strong point, legs his weak point. Posing is often odd and rarely realistic looking. But I’m hoping for better with this new set.
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Agreed captain. I do enjoy getting all the kits and making some unique things out of them. I'm curious when we can get our hands on them and I regret not going to crisis.
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That’s encouraging to hear, thank you :)
He also did all the Gripping Beast plastic sets too, and the first two Frostgrave plastic sets. I think he must be quite, erm, cost effective to get so much work from so many entrants to the plastic figure market. I find his work variable. Some of his stuff I like, like the original GB Viking and Saxon stes, and the FF sergeants. Some of his work I think is terrible, like the Conquest archers set. Heads are his strong point, legs his weak point. Posing is often odd and rarely realistic looking. But I’m hoping for better with this new set.
I find it sad that almost all companies, except Victrix and the Perry's, that do plastic sets use him as the sculptor.
I am a huge fan of the Claymore Casting early hundred years war range. Those mini's are sculpted by the incredible talented Mathew Bickley. I would love to see him tackle a plastic medieval set.
I bought the Conquest archers after I purchased the Perry HYW archers... . There is no comparison in options and poses.
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I had a good look at the sprues and figures on the Conquest stand at Warfare yesterday, and I thought they looked rather nice. What struck me is that the figures are more finely detailed and properly proportioned than the Fireforge knights by the same sculptor, and weapons are much less fantasy sized and more proportionate. The Conquest horses (same as the Norman horses) are also really quite nice looking models, better than the Fireforge horses by some way. All in all, a promising looking set. Looking forward to them now. Just waiting for the boxes to be printed apparently... :)
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Well that certainly sounds promising Captain.
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Does anyone have any pictures of the sprues?
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Fraid not... I should have shot some, shouldn’t I? :?
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I am just really curious. I've been building some knights with the fireforge kits the past days and I have a lot of issues with a lot of the weird poses that come in the kits. I am hoping these will be a lot better. So far everything points to it that they will be worth it a lot more already.
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I am just really curious. I've been building some knights with the fireforge kits the past days and I have a lot of issues with a lot of the weird poses that come in the kits. I am hoping these will be a lot better. So far everything points to it that they will be worth it a lot more already.
Something else I noticed when looking at the unit when visiting Crisis was that the spears didn't look so ridiculous long as with the Fireforge kits.
I think it's a much better kit than the fireforge kits and probably more or less compatible so lots of conversion potential.
Is there an ETA?
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I'd love it if someone brought out some really good plastic horses which are walking or standing.
I agree - they didn't spend all their time charging around.
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I agree - they didn't spend all their time charging around.
I talked about that with Mike when I saw him at SELWG. This counts for all producers of plastic cavalry btw.
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Who is Mike and what did he say about it then?
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Does anyone know if we can still put them on our christmas wishlist?
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They look pretty good, I wish somebody would release "Medieval villagers" a plastic set would be most welcome.
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Does anyone have any pictures of the sprues?
Here we go:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/93_05_12_17_9_57_08_3.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/93_05_12_17_9_57_08_2.jpg)
Got them without box from the Conquest booth at Crisis. 4 identical sprues, one nearly identical but for a kind of leader figure and two additional horse sprues. Nice sculpts, pretty horses, definitely better than the Fireforge sets, BUT ...
I asked the owner at the show if those miniatures would be compatible with Perrys, especially the horses, and he assured me they would. So I bought the set and looked forward to many more possibilities changing parts between horses from both sets. Holy shit, could I've been more naive ...?
Comparison shot between Conquest (top) and Perry:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/93_05_12_17_9_57_07_1.jpg)
You could easily see that Perry horses are MUCH bigger and definitely not compatible!
Even between Conquest (top) and Fireforge:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/93_05_12_17_9_57_07_0.jpg)
Body halves not compatible at all, some of the heads might be good replacements for the Fireforge stuff.
Needless to say I was quite disappointed. :?
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Who is Mike and what did he say about it then?
Mike is the owner of Conquest Games. We just talked about the fact that there are no standing horses in plastic. He took that point on board for when he needs new horses sculpted.
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It's a good looking sprue, but I can say without any reservations at all now that it's a Maciejowski Bible (c. 1240) period set. It's good looking for what it is, in fact I like the look of it better than the knights from Fireforge, but it's also seriously disappointing that they chose to revisit a period that is already provided with adequate plastic figurines.
If you are interested in The Anarchy or the 3rd Crusade, this set is not for you, but that's not a very sensible quibble to have. The set is good at what it does, in fact it looks better than its competitors. I just wish it did something new.
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Thank you for the pictures Admiral Benbow.
The kit looks decent. I see some things I really like, also some that im less happy with. It seems like it will be a good kit to add to the kitbash pile.
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Hmmm not too much to get excited about there. I think it would do for King John and 1217, but I'm unsure as to its suitability for the Anarchy. It is very similar to the Fireforge sets maybe a few more earlier style barrel helms in this kit but I'm a bit underwhelmed.
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If I rememeber correctly the Perries horses are a couple of hundred years later of warhorse breeded Destriers, they are ment to be big.
So I see no problem with them beeing bigger then a early medieval horse.
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I think it's a problem if you wanted to intermix the parts, that's the point :)
The horses themselves look good.
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The horses do look pretty good.
I think the idea of mixing halves of different manufacturers' horses and wanting them to match up is expecting a bit much!!
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The boxes are up for pre-order and are at a 5 pound discount it seems.
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Got mine in the post today they look very nice. Sadly I had hoped to mix them with Fireforge stuff to give me more variation, on a fantasy project I'm starting, and my initial thoughts are they won't match together very well. The Conquest ones seem a bit smaller (especially the weapons the lances in particular). Looks like I might have to keep them in separate units rather than kit bashing the two together. Still nice looking miniatures and thanks to the pre order discount less than a £1 a knight :D.
Ok quick supplemental I just dug out some Fireforge sprues and the size isn't as bad as I first thought. The Fireforge knights are slightly bulkier but not horribly so. Heads and arms seem about the same size and both use the same type of head attachment (i.e. flat bottom of the head neck on body) so head swaps should be easy between the two types.
The main differences are the Conquest knights have the shield arms attached to the body and separate shields and the Fireforge knights have separate from the body shield arms with shield attached. The other main difference is the lances the Conquest ones are about half the size of the (admittedly huge) Fireforge lances.
The horses for both are similar the Fireforge ones are a tad larger but that might just be the cloth barding.
So on a second look kit bashing looks like a real possibility apart from the lances happy days.
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Sound great. Looking forward to them. Thanks for the update :)
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A bit of thread necromancy
I finally put together some of my Conquest knights I've mixed and matched them with some Fireforge ones and I think they mix pretty well. A lot of the arms and heads are also interchangeable. These are for a fantasy army I'm building but I thought the medieval boys might appreciate a look at how the conquest and Fireforge figures mix.
(https://jonsotherwargamesblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/wp_20180306_16_17_46_pro.jpg?w=640)
more closes up on my blog if people are interested https://jonsotherwargamesblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/06/nordburg-knights/
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nice
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Thanks for updating us.
I was just yesterday looking for this.
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Very nice painting on those knights. :-* :-*
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They look great :)
Must get a box at Salute.
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yep a Fireforge great helm. The three on barded horses are Fireforge miniatures the others are Conquest. All the lances are conquest arms as the fireforge lances look huge. The guy next to the standard bearer is Conquest miniature with a Fireforge cloak and sword arm while the guy far right is a Fireforge head on a Conquest body.
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I'm actually not too fond of the kit. I got me 2 boxes and I really just use them to convert more plastics. sadly most things feel a bit underwhelming as with fireforge and gripping beast kits.