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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Richard in Sachsen on October 12, 2017, 06:25:27 PM
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Back in September, Brythnoth posted his 10mm Romano-British (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=103155.0) and I just happened to catch it.
He did such a good job on the details and paint scheme of such a small scale that I was intrigued. Moreover, his reasons for having a small scale army that would fit on the dining table for an evening of Dux Bellorum were the same as the newly discovered problem that I have myself; that is a move into a smaller space. So 28s for club play and downscaling for home.
So I ordered a Pendraken Late Roman army pack to try them out... now I'm in love :-*
15mm, of course, works very well. Nevertheless, I find a much better mass effect with these 10s. I love 6mm, too... after they're painted but I find painting them very tedious and monotonous. These 10s, though, well, I was painting about a unit a day. The only reason that this army is not yet complete is that I'm waiting on reinforcements to arrive from the UK. That's a great position to be in: painting halted because of lack of miniatures as opposed to having so many that it will take a couple of years to paint them (my 28s.)
I'm excited to actually be able to play instead of just paint until I have enough.
So, here's what I have so far. 60mm frontages in accordance with Dux Bellorum and Comitatus as well as using the recommended scale of one stand of infantry = 500 men (legion = two stands, auxilia = one)
Infantry
1. The Ioviani seniores (legiones palatina)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_3_54_48.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_3_57_21.JPG)
2. The Herculiani seniores (legiones palatina) To Come in Update
3. The Brachiati seniores and The Cornuti seniores (auxilia palatina)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_3_50_58.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_3_52_24.JPG)
4. The Petulantes seniores and The Celtae seniores (auxilia palatina) To come in an Update
4. The Exculcatores seniores (auxilia palatina)
These shields are entirely hypothetical as the ND doesn't have an illustration of this unit
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_3_44_31.jpg)
5. The Mattiarii iuniores (West) (legiones comitatenses) To come in an Update
6. The Germaniciani iuniores (legiones comitatenses) To come in an Update
7. The Prima Iulia Alpina (pseudocomitatenses)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_3_21_58.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_3_43_19.jpg)
8. Field Army Archers and Slingers (bases not yet painted and flocked)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_16_44.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_18_37.jpg)
9. Laeti or Limitanei Spearmen
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_05_13.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_07_09.JPG)
10. Laeti or Limitanei Archers & Slingers
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_20_39.JPG)
Cavalry
1. Bucellarii Heavy Lance and Bow Cavalry for Army General (bases not yet painted and flocked) General to come in an update
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_27_25.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_29_02.JPG)
2. The Equites promoti seniores (vexillationes palatinae) bases not yet painted and flocked and missing second element of unit
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_09_30.JPG)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_11_19.JPG)
3. The Equites Brachiati seniores (vexillationes palatinae) To come in Update
4. The Equites Cornuti seniores (vexillationes palatinae) To come in Update
5. The Comites Alani (vexillationes palatinae) To come in Update
6. The Equites Mauri feroces (vexillationes palatinae) bases not yet painted and flocked and missing second element of unit
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_13_02.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_15_10.JPG)
7. The Equites constantes Valentinianenses iuniores (vexillationes palatinae) To come in Update
The Field Army so far....
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_31_17.jpg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/12137_12_10_17_4_32_55.jpg)
These were, fast and fun minis to paint and I really love this scale! I didn't think I would as I already have a few 15s for this purpose. But these 10s really give a nice mass effect and as Brythnoth was saying, they really are a perfect scale for Dux Bellorum. And my favourite, Comitatus, as well.
Can't wait until the reinforcements arrive! ;D
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That is pretty impressive painting.
Banding on the spears and kontos'?? Great job!
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Thank you.
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Damn! Those are splendid indeed! Great work on the shields too!
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Nice. I consider myself a smallscaler as well, but I use 15mm as surrogate for 28mm, 300-400 per side, and 6mm for mass effect (80 per Napoleonic regiment, 1000-1600 per side).
I'll stick to my choice, but must admit that your 10mm is a tempting sight.
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Thanks Nic, I appreciate it.
@Leftblank. Thanks. Yea, it comes down to what feels right. I'm sure those 6mm Napoleonic regiments look fantastic! I remember when I first started gaming when I was 14, the local club was big into 15mm Napoleonics (Empire and Empire III were the rule sets, so you can tell how long ago that was) and one of the guys had the entire Grand Armeé to scale. Wow, I was really impressed... I mean, I still remember it.
I thought that I were to pick up another historical period in gaming, it would be the Age of Enlightenment, Seven Years War, etc. And I thought it would be best in 15mm. But that mass effect thing is really impressive so there is 6mm. But as I said above, I find the 6mm, for me personally, tedious and monotonous. I mean, I've got about 300 four-figure stands of Bacchus Dacians primed and on tongue depressors ready to paint and they're all in a box. When I got to the shields I just couldn't get any further, how do I paint so many shields to make them look individual even with the blotch-impressionistic style of painting necessary for 6mm?
I think if I did another period with battalions and such, it would be 10mm, it just seems easier after painting these guys above but yet not as long as it takes me to paint even 15mm.
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Great looking army, very well done. I love seeing smaller scales getting some love and you do 10mm superbly. :)
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Nice to see 10m here, nice job and good work on the shields.
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Thanks guys.
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A great job you have done there! Impeccable to the last detail!
I wish you have many enjoyable games with them!
Cheers!
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Well, that's quite an output. Impressive results.
Got inspired by Brythnoth as well to try my hand (again) at 10mm. Weirdly, I'm finding them not as easy and fast to paint as I remembered. This thread, though, may set me back on track. So an honest "thanks for sharing". :)
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Scale is always a personal choice. I painted a large 15mm Celt army which has the same variety in colours and shields as the Dacians, and was bored sometimes (although very pleased with the final results).
I doubt if I would paint a 6mm ancient army, just because of the individuality of the warriors and shields. Your 10mm (or 15mm) is a better choice then, while 28mm feels too big.
Are you German? I can recommend the 1670-1720 period as future project, in particular the 1670-1700 period. Louis XIV vs the Grand Alliance. Most wargame rules focus on English wars, but the Grand Alliance is very continental, with battles in Flanders and Germany and Danish, Bavarian, French and Dutch armies. Colourful uniforms, very universal, you can use redcoats as English, Irish, Dutch, French or Swiss troops. And game a lot of different historical battles.
Keep calm and carry on!
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Are you German? I can recommend the 1670-1720 period as future project, in particular the 1670-1700 period. Louis XIV vs the Grand Alliance. Most wargame rules focus on English wars, but the Grand Alliance is very continental, with battles in Flanders and Germany and Danish, Bavarian, French and Dutch armies. Colourful uniforms, very universal, you can use redcoats as English, Irish, Dutch, French or Swiss troops. And game a lot of different historical battles.
The Seven Years War (56-63) seems to me the natural choice for horse and musket games, and must be very attractive to Germans, considering how much it affected the future shape of Germany. It works extremely well in 10mm, aka God's Own Scale.
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Thanks Gents,
@Mad Doc, Thanks. Yea, this is my first time delving into this scale, maybe the enthusiasm of trying something new made it easier. But as I said, I am having a helluva time with my 6's and from everything that I've read, they should be the easiest thing to paint!
@Leftbank, thank you. No not German, but I've been living here since 2004; wife and daughter are German. I'm not up on the latest games for that period but I did pick up the Field of Glory Renaissance Rules and army lists when they were 50% off and being discontinued. Maybe I'll give that a go.
@FierceKitty. I was actually thinking of a small Saxon force and some Prussians in 10mm. We were living in the Oberlausitz and there's a lot of SYW history there and the "Saxon Switzerland" including some impressive fortresses. But that is for another day... got so many ancients to get through. But if I can keep up the pace, maybe I can get the 10's done and on the table in a reasonable amount of time.
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Great work on those Romans - they are really nice figures, and its always good to see some really good painting of them too. I really need to get more of mine painted.
Pendraken have lots to offer on the SYW front, and also have a great LoA range if you want to go a bit earlier, the start of mine can be seen here http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=92170.msg1138644#msg1138644
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Thanks Fred... and just took a quick glance at your link and those are superb, especially now that I realise how small they are! And you're tempting me as well ;D, just what I need yet another project! Well, maybe a small army pack wouldn't hurt.
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Thanks Richard - glad they provided inspiration / temptation. A single army pack can't hurt.
What is a bit of worry is that it is pretty much a year since I did anything on this project! Too many different periods and projects!
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What is a bit of worry is that it is pretty much a year since I did anything on this project! Too many different periods and projects!
I know the feeling! ;)
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Beautiful work! Those Pendraken LR figures were the first by the sculptor "Clibinarium", and have always been tempting. However, I was put off for the longest time by the lack of comparable enemies for them to fight. Have you thought about that part of the equation yet?
Cheers,
Christopher
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Very nice indeed, I have Naps and Caesarian Romans in 10mm but if starting again it would all be in this scale. Keep going, well worth it.
Dave.
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Thank you Gents, I appreciate it.
I apologise for the belated reply, I haven't gotten a lot painted as my father-in-law started to go downhill very quickly in November (cancer) and we just buried him the day before yesterday. So, obviously, hobby and everything went on the back burner.
@Christopher, yes I've been working that part of the equation out. I've decided to mix for the "Enemies of Rome." Magister Militum actually has a fairly large selection for all sorts of different armies in 10mm for this period. The problem I've always had with MM (in 15mm) is that they are a bit skinny when compared with other manufacturers and can look a bit odd when mixed. Which is a shame because I think the MM minis actually have the most realistic proportions and everyone else is a bit bulky comparatively.
That doesn't yet seem to be an issue with this scale. Since the packs are still relatively inexpensive, I picked up some Franks, Saxons, and Huns just to try them out. I also found some Goth and Hun cavalry on Col. Bills used mini site, they were Old Glory. And The Baggage Train has a nice selection of Goths and they were kind enough to send me some sample. I liked their Goths as well as their terrain and placed a nice sized order back in October but still awaiting their arrival. The proprietor wrote to me and has been seriously ill for a few weeks and is behind, so I told him to take his time and that I've lot's to paint to keep me busy in the meantime.
I also used selected Pendraken Dacian figures for javelin skirmishers and light cavalry. Their Saxons are also nice.
For Post-Roman Britain, 5th century Gaul, Spain, etc. I've decided to go with the theory of political entities rather than ethnic entities, i.e. lot's of original inhabitants assimilated into whatever barbarian group took over and called themselves that. So for me, that means that I can mix Saxon and LR/Romano-British "militia" for an "Arthurian" army; Goth, Hun, LR Equites for a comitatus, etc.
I have a few more units painted for this post but the weather is preventing me from spraying them with Aegis Suite and "fixing" the flocking. It's too cold and damp and there is a high risk of frosting the minis right now. So when it gets warmer I can do that and post more of the units I've gotten done.
In any case, they seem to all mix well enough not to look too odd or out of place.