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Title: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 15, 2017, 05:29:01 PM
I have been planning this project for over a year but other matters (not least other wargames projects) have got in the way.  However with BLAM out of the way, I thought it about time I got off my a*** and put some effort into it.

Thus I present - Boots and Saddles - a plains/pony wars project in 28mm.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/9b30c078-09af-4f16-903e-59aba7951e3a_zpszvxj08li.png) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/9b30c078-09af-4f16-903e-59aba7951e3a_zpszvxj08li.png.html)

The piccie above is a holding picture for the front page of the rules.  As usual I have adapted some existing mechanisms from different sets of rules (none of them from the Old West).  However I have tried hard to represent the different fighting styles of the Cavalry (and other White Eyes) from the Indian style. More of that to follow.

However I also wanted to capture the cinematic flavour of the old Hollywood films, especially from John Ford's iconic cavalry trilogy, so the terrain will have a more of a Monument Valley feel rather then the plains of Dakota, Wyoming etc.  So expect to see more of this:

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Monument%20Valley_zpsinsycqoc.jpeg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Monument%20Valley_zpsinsycqoc.jpeg.html)

than this:

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Prairie%202_zpso7b1pgcc.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Prairie%202_zpso7b1pgcc.jpg.html)

More to follow.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Doug ex-em4 on October 15, 2017, 05:51:03 PM
Blimey, Gary - I'm still waiting breathlessly to hear all about your Ice Station Zebra game and here you are, straight into this...! Which I'm already gagging to hear more about. For goodness sake man - you're in danger of matching Giles (Eric the Shed) in terms of productivity and invention. :D

Looking forward immensely to seeing this develop.

Doug
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Malamute on October 15, 2017, 06:02:57 PM
Can't wait to see and will enjoy this coming together.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: DintheDin on October 15, 2017, 06:19:15 PM
I mark this thread, eager to see the continuation!
Cheers!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Dr DeAth on October 15, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
Looking forward to seeing the project develop.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Romark on October 15, 2017, 07:36:41 PM
Woohoo! Can't wait  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Bugsda on October 15, 2017, 08:36:09 PM
Can't wait to see and will enjoy this coming together.  ;D ;D ;D

Ditto  8)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Mason on October 15, 2017, 09:08:23 PM
Joining the queue.
 :D


Let me know if you need anything for this mate, as I still have a few things left in my Old West bits box.
 ;)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 15, 2017, 09:50:54 PM
Thanks for all the encouragement.  I will be sharing my ideas on the rules over the next few days and I would welcome people's feedback on them, especially from the point of how Indians fought. 

I have some ideas but I know there are some quite knowledgeable people on the forum, who can give me some more hints and tips.

I will leave you with the inspiration I am using for the cavalry and the terrain.  I know it is pure Hollywood, but that's how I want it to look.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/SWAYR203_zps1v91lxff.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/SWAYR203_zps1v91lxff.jpg.html)

Let me know if you need anything for this mate, as I still have a few things left in my Old West bits box.
 ;)

Thanks for the offer, I will bear it in mind.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 16, 2017, 06:06:49 PM
First up I would like to consider the rules and more importantly, the premises that I have built into them to represent the contrasting methods of fighting between the plains indians, who I describe as 'Redskins' and the various european adversaries, who I collectively call 'White Eyes'.

US Cavalry.  The US Cavalry are usually understrength, badly equipped, poorly trained especially in equestrian skills and shooting. 

Riding.  Although the heroic portrayal of Sgt Tyree as a ‘Southern Gentleman’ fallen on hard times after the Civil War and enlisting as a trooper, might appeal to most wargamers, the truth is that most recruits were unable to ride and the horseflesh provided by the US Army remount system was poor. 

Shooting.  The amount of ammunition available to units to train with was risible and thus most troopers couldn’t ‘hit a barn door at 10 paces’.  Most accounts of actions emphasise the amount of ammunition expended for very few hits on the Redskins and in most cases running short of ammunition was a significant factor in the outcome. They did however have a decent firearm, the Sharps single shot carbine, with a high rate of fire which was reasonably accurate.

Discipline.  What the cavalry had was discipline (mostly) and good NCOs as well as a few outstanding (if hot headed and conceited) officers.  They almost always obeyed their orders, even when the orders themselves were poor.

Indians.  The Indians were polar opposites of the cavalry but suffered from a number of disadvantages, some tactical and some strategic.

Riding.  The Indians were very good riders, having been in the saddle from their early teens.  Their ponies were well bred and used to the harsh conditions on the prairie, however they were smaller in stature than the Army mounts.  Where the Indians scored was on their mobility, especially across poor terrain and an extensive knowledge of the local area.  The Indians have a slight advantage when crossing broken terrain.

Shooting.  In shooting terms, the Indians were better, having hunted game for many years.  What they suffered from was a lack of modern firearms, with most Indians armed with bows, a few outdated weapons and a lack of powder. This made their shooting effective but the lethality of their hits relatively low.

Discipline.  The Indians way of fighting was very different from the whites.  Each individual and group of warriors, often from different tribes or sub-tribes, decided for themselves when and if they were prepared to fight.  Their way of fighting was intensely individual, with the warriors gaining great prestige from carrying out dangerous actions (such as counting coup) when watched by other members of his tribe.  They were also concerned about the loss of warriors to the tribe. Consequently, the Indians could rarely stick to a plan, especially when trying to lure the whites into an ambush, as any individual warrior or group might decide to attack (or even withdraw) when it suited them and not in accordance with any plan.  This often played out as uncoordinated actions by groups of Indians, ignoring the ‘Chiefs’ orders.

Thus I have two different styles of fighting to represent - one who would obey orders, almost without fail, but were tactically disadvantaged by their relatively poor mobility and marksmanship - and the others who were highly mobile light cavalry and good marksman but badly armed and unable to follow orders. 

The movement and firing differences are easy to game. 

Shooting. The white eyes are poor shots but when they hit their lethality is high.  The redskins are good shots but their lethality (compared to modern firearms) is quite low.

Movement. Rates of movement are similar but the redskins have no penalties for crossing broken terrain and can thus disengage (or charge) more easily.

Orders.  The white eyes will always obey their orders. The redskins must check to see if they are 'in control' when they will obey their orders or 'uncontrolled'.  If the latter then they will carry out a random activation ranging from retiring, circling, skirmishing or charging.

Any suggestions or views about the above info or my interpretation gratefully received.

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Remgain on October 16, 2017, 06:18:11 PM
At last!!!  :D

I don't know if this would be too much "tactical" but keep in mind that the US cavalry carbines are quite subject to jam. Usually because the spent cartridge remained stuck in the overheated chamber.
So, maybe, if a US unit is keeping firing for "x" consecutive turn, there could be a chance of reduced effect due to jams.

Furthermore, as you correctly point out, the Redskins could retire for good, when they believe that they've done what they're supposed to do, that usually is not "destroy the White Eyes" (or Pale Faces?)

My 2 cents,

Marco
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Cerdic on October 17, 2017, 07:59:47 PM
It maybe just me misunderstanding, but....

I would think 'lethality' of old and new guns would be about the same. An 18th Century musket ball could do a lot of damage if it hit you. My guess would be that the most important factor would be the ability to hit the target rather than how modern the gun is.

Maybe arrows would tend to do less damage to a body than a bullet, though!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Remgain on October 17, 2017, 08:38:15 PM
Maybe arrows would tend to do less damage to a body than a bullet, though!

Cerdic,

Probably yes.
But probably bows have an higher rate of fire.

Marco
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: guitarheroandy on October 17, 2017, 08:45:10 PM
It maybe just me misunderstanding, but....

I would think 'lethality' of old and new guns would be about the same. An 18th Century musket ball could do a lot of damage if it hit you. My guess would be that the most important factor would be the ability to hit the target rather than how modern the gun is.

Maybe arrows would tend to do less damage to a body than a bullet, though!

Muskets were notoriously inaccurate at any distance unless firing at closely packed troops. 'Modern' rifles and carbines were more accurate but ultimately, the firer still had to be able to shoot worth a darn!! Arrow wounds would probably be as likely to kill in the long run due to gangrene, especially given that army medical care was rudimentary at best (despite what the movies tell you!) And yes, faster rate of fire, but shorter range.
What is interesting is that although the cavalry were pretty rubbish shooters, the Native Americans weren't necessarily that much better. Look at all those Apache ambushes where the tribesmen are sitting hidden in prepared positions and still don't cause hugely significant casualties. Their fire was ultimately more 'suppressive' than anything else, keeping the soldiers pinned down while the families escaped... If you're writing your own rules, pinning or suppression is an essential element to slow or prevent movement and reduce return fire...
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 18, 2017, 10:45:06 PM
Thanks for the responses. It's always useful to bounce ideas off other knowledgeable folks.

At last!!!  :D


Yes its taken a while for this project to get to the front of the queue.  You'll be seeing some of the figures I bought from you shortly.

I don't know if this would be too much "tactical" but keep in mind that the US cavalry carbines are quite subject to jam. Usually because the spent cartridge remained stuck in the overheated chamber.
So, maybe, if a US unit is keeping firing for "x" consecutive turn, there could be a chance of reduced effect due to jams.


I had planned to fire in groups rather than individually, which would require too much detail, but I had intended to use a 'low on ammo' rule and I could weave this into the reduction in fire effect from both ammo shortages and jamming.

It maybe just me misunderstanding, but....

I would think 'lethality' of old and new guns would be about the same. An 18th Century musket ball could do a lot of damage if it hit you. My guess would be that the most important factor would be the ability to hit the target rather than how modern the gun is.

Maybe arrows would tend to do less damage to a body than a bullet, though!

I think you are correct about individual weapons being as lethal as each other but the effect I want to achieve is the fewer number of firearms amongst the Indians, their shortage of powder and the relatively poor lethality of bows.  Overall it seems to me that the Indians were less likely to cause casualties, even if their shooting is more accurate.

Muskets were notoriously inaccurate at any distance unless firing at closely packed troops. 'Modern' rifles and carbines were more accurate but ultimately, the firer still had to be able to shoot worth a darn!! Arrow wounds would probably be as likely to kill in the long run due to gangrene, especially given that army medical care was rudimentary at best (despite what the movies tell you!) And yes, faster rate of fire, but shorter range.
What is interesting is that although the cavalry were pretty rubbish shooters, the Native Americans weren't necessarily that much better. Look at all those Apache ambushes where the tribesmen are sitting hidden in prepared positions and still don't cause hugely significant casualties. Their fire was ultimately more 'suppressive' than anything else, keeping the soldiers pinned down while the families escaped... If you're writing your own rules, pinning or suppression is an essential element to slow or prevent movement and reduce return fire...

I hadn't considered suppression effects but you are right, they need to be factored in.  I will consider how a pinning effect can be included in the firing outcomes that would prevent movement but allow the target to return fire from its current position, but with a reduced effect. Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Inkpaduta on October 18, 2017, 11:39:32 PM
I would have a different take on this. You said that you wanted your game to be more Hollywood in tone.
This would be quite different what happened during the Indian Wars. In reality, battles in the Indian Wars
were few and far between. They also were affairs where few people died (excluding a few little Little Big Horn).
Almost all the fighting were skirmishes that did not last long and left one or two people killed and a coupled
wounded at most. Not really what war game rules usually represent. We want mass slaughter.

Thus, I have always found that trying to war game these wars based on reality is very hard and not all that accurate.
So, I say do it Hollywood style. Base your games and rules off of the movies ect. Add that sense of daring do and
save the last bullet for yourself type stuff. Likely will make for a more enjoyable game.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Harry Faversham on October 19, 2017, 02:25:28 AM
Yep, gets my vote. If yer doing Hollywood you can't have The Dook getting pinned down... and how, in hell, do you 'suppress' Captain Nathan Brittles, Sergeant Major Quinncanon and 'Captain' Tyree!!!???


(http://www.critikat.com/wp-content/uploads/fly-images/35527/arton1513-980x0.jpg)

(https://criticsroundup.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/she-wore-a-yellow-ribbon-still-526x284.jpg)

 :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Remgain on October 19, 2017, 10:35:53 AM

(https://www.theawl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/0pYLiwBer-4kiEjX2.jpg)

 lol lol lol lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: bulldogger2000 on October 19, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
I'll be looking forward to your thoughts on this.

Our group has been using a set of rules we developed several years ago that have been used successfully at conventions and within our own group.   My personal thoughts are that the key to the rules is the inability of the Indians to depend on their forces being what they need and when they need it.  People seem to like the affect of this on the game and on the flavor of their unique fighting style.

"Corporal Tyree, I'm ordering you to volunteer again."
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Plains Wars in 28mm
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 19, 2017, 05:56:42 PM
I would have a different take on this. You said that you wanted your game to be more Hollywood in tone.

Thus, I have always found that trying to war game these wars based on reality is very hard and not all that accurate.
So, I say do it Hollywood style. Base your games and rules off of the movies ect. Add that sense of daring do and
save the last bullet for yourself type stuff. Likely will make for a more enjoyable game.

I agree about the style of the game.  I plan to use the rules to reflect the various styles of fighting, whilst using the terrain and the scenarios would be more Hollywood style.  I think that if a game looks good, with solid core rules that reflect the period then the scenario will help make it cinematic.

Anyone that has played one of my games will hopefully agree that catching the flavour of the movies is what I strive for.

Yep, gets my vote. If yer doing Hollywood you can't have The Dook getting pinned down... and how, in hell, do you 'suppress' Captain Nathan Brittles, Sergeant Major Quinncanon and 'Captain' Tyree!!!???



Ah but in the films you are describing Capt Nathan Brittles has his share of bad luck - Sudro's Wells for example.  So the 'hero' doesn't always have to win.  See also 'They Died With Their Boots On' for example.

I'll be looking forward to your thoughts on this.

Our group has been using a set of rules we developed several years ago that have been used successfully at conventions and within our own group.   My personal thoughts are that the key to the rules is the inability of the Indians to depend on their forces being what they need and when they need it.  People seem to like the affect of this on the game and on the flavor of their unique fighting style.

"Corporal Tyree, I'm ordering you to volunteer again."

Exactly my point about different fighting styles.  The Indians may not always do what the owning player wants them to do.  It might be a little frustrating but it means that the Indian player will have to pay attention to how his warriors are behaving and position himself correctly on the battlefield to influence them.

Conversely the Cavalry player, faced with large odds may not have to fight all the Indians to achieve his aim but being outnumbered and often having to choose between the success of his mission and keeping his men alive might not find it too easy either.

As I see it, the scenario along with character briefings (that may not all align), are the keys to a good game as long as the core rules work and the sides have an equal chance of achieveing their goals.

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 31, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
Whilst I am waiting for some cork to be delivered, I thought I would share some pictures of the first Redskins to be painted.

First up is a Medicine Man - Conquest Commanche re-purposed as a Sioux

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Medicine20Man202_zpsnvavvcq6.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Medicine20Man202_zpsnvavvcq6.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Medicine20Man203_zpsymqoyxhu.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Medicine20Man203_zpsymqoyxhu.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Medicine20Man203_zpsiswmqwjy.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Medicine20Man203_zpsiswmqwjy.jpg.html)

Next a War Chief - Foundry Plains Wars

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/War20Chief201_zpsallq5he0.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/War20Chief201_zpsallq5he0.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/War20Chief202_zps9d6cjc4b.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/War20Chief202_zps9d6cjc4b.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/War20Chief203_zpssgwuxrnm.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/War20Chief203_zpssgwuxrnm.jpg.html)

The background is from my old desert boards from my 'Follow that Camel' project.  http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72065.0

Some will be re-purposed for this project. I shall be making a start on the buttes at the weekend assuming the cork bark arrives this week.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Malamute on November 01, 2017, 08:31:32 AM
Nice stat Gary, the figured look great. ;D

Guess what I'm doing this am? Making cork buttes. lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: DintheDin on November 01, 2017, 09:54:21 AM

The background is from my old desert boards from my 'Follow that Camel' project.  http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72065.0

Some will be re-purposed for this project. I shall be making a start on the buttes at the weekend assuming the cork bark arrives this week.

Just finished reading 21 pages of your 'Follow that Camel' project. Awsome and inspiring stuff!!!
Waiting to see the Indians in a more general plan, showing your rocky hills in full splendour! Cheers!
[suddenly I feel an urgent need for cork bark]  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Arundel on November 01, 2017, 12:40:48 PM
Yes, cork bark seems to be all the rage on LAF just now. Everyone appears to be buying the stuff, picking it up off hiking trails, scraping the right sort of tree...it has all the marks of an hobbyist pandemic!

Your first Indians look splendid, Hu Rhu. I too will follow your project with interest. Must say I salute your spirit of using classic Hollywood as your source material. I tend to do that in every period, of course, but when dealing with the Wild West it wins hands down. The Duke's films, and the atmosphere of the old Pony Wars rules set if you can find them, are a brilliant starting off point. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 01, 2017, 09:40:58 PM
Nice stat Gary, the figured look great. ;D

Thanks very much.  More figures to follow.

Just finished reading 21 pages of your 'Follow that Camel' project. Awsome and inspiring stuff!!!

Thanks. Hope I can bring the same inspiration to this project.

Your first Indians look splendid, Hu Rhu. I too will follow your project with interest. Must say I salute your spirit of using classic Hollywood as your source material. I tend to do that in every period, of course, but when dealing with the Wild West it wins hands down. The Duke's films, and the atmosphere of the old Pony Wars rules set if you can find them, are a brilliant starting off point. Keep up the great work!

Thanks very much.

Guess what I'm doing this am? Making cork buttes. lol

Great.  I'll show you mine if you show me yours.   :D :D

Yes, cork bark seems to be all the rage on LAF just now. Everyone appears to be buying the stuff, picking it up off hiking trails, scraping the right sort of tree...it has all the marks of an hobbyist pandemic!

[suddenly I feel an urgent need for cork bark]  :)

Cork bark arrived today so I should have the first prototype ready by the weekend.  I have a cunning plan to provide something like this:

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Twin20Buttes_zpsh1jakvdn.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Twin20Buttes_zpsh1jakvdn.jpg.html)

Lets see how it turns out.  ??? ???

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Malamute on November 01, 2017, 10:11:09 PM

Looking forward to seeing how you create the iconic butte look. ;D

I’ve been making them identical to the ones I used at BLAM. No rock spires on mine.

I’ve now run out of cork. Where did you get yours from?
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Mason on November 01, 2017, 11:26:46 PM
That is a good start, mate.
Looking forward to watching the progress, especially with your buttes.
 :-* :-*

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Captain Blood on November 01, 2017, 11:40:49 PM
Looking forward to seeing how you create the iconic butte look. ;D

I’ve been making them identical to the ones I used at BLAM. No rock spires on mine.

I’ve now run out of cork. Where did you get yours from?

Wanna buy some cork? I have several tubes  :D

Good start Gary.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 02, 2017, 07:13:44 AM
I’ve now run out of cork. Where did you get yours from?

Ebay mostly but getting good tubes is hard (and expensive).

That is a good start, mate.
Looking forward to watching the progress, especially with your buttes.
 :-* :-*

Thanks.  How is it that I am sitting here waiting for a whole line of 'butte' jokes just waiting to made here?  :D :D

Wanna buy some cork? I have several tubes  :D

Good start Gary.

Thanks very much.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Romark on November 02, 2017, 07:03:10 PM
Yep,following with interest,sure to be good  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 02, 2017, 08:18:30 PM
Yep,following with interest,sure to be good  :)

You are too kind.

Here is some scatter terrain that I have painted up - Pegasus and Woodland Scenics Cactus

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Cactus20Scatter20Terrain_zpsd4slsiwb.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Cactus20Scatter20Terrain_zpsd4slsiwb.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Mason on November 02, 2017, 09:00:01 PM
Brilliant!
 :-* :-*

Now I want some more myself.....damn you!
 >:D >:D



 ;)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 02, 2017, 09:57:31 PM
Brilliant!
 :-* :-*

Thanks

Now I want some more myself.....damn you!
 >:D >:D 

 ;)

Well you can never have enough scatter terrain and those pegasus cactii are brilliant.  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Malamute on November 03, 2017, 08:20:52 AM

Well you can never have enough scatter terrain and those pegasus cactii are brilliant.  :)

Yes they are and yours look good.  :)

You have now reminded me I need to paint some more of these ;) lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Dr DeAth on November 03, 2017, 12:32:59 PM
Making good progress - those cacti look very realistic I must say.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Marine0846 on November 03, 2017, 05:36:10 PM
Love the cactus.
All you need now is, (drum roll please),

the Roadrunner and Willey Coyote.

After all this is Hollywood Western, Right? lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 03, 2017, 06:40:32 PM
Yes they are and yours look good.  :)

You have now reminded me I need to paint some more of these ;) lol

Get painting.  ;)

Making good progress - those cacti look very realistic I must say.

Thanks. They look better on the table. My photographic skills are not the best.

Love the cactus.
All you need now is, (drum roll please),

the Roadrunner and Willey Coyote.

After all this is Hollywood Western, Right? lol

Thanks, however roadrunners are not part of the plan - yet. Hollywood - yes.  Loony Tunes - No. 
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Figures
Post by: Mason on November 03, 2017, 07:27:14 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/20/30/f8/2030f8406ac956e6b99fb81c4e6aa6d7.jpg)

Go on.
You know that you want to.
 :D

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 04, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
Go on.
You know that you want to.
 :D

No I really don't..... :D

However to bring the project back on track here is my first attempt at modelling tthe buttes that will form the basis of my terrain boards.

First is the butte tower, made up of two tubes of cork bark on a foamboard base.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Tower201_zpspxmg2vdk.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Tower201_zpspxmg2vdk.jpg.html)

This obviously needs to sit on a sloping base so I roughly shaped a 50mm piece of blue foam to provide the base.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Base201_zpsdnqgoksg.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Base201_zpsdnqgoksg.jpg.html)

Most buttes seem to feature layers of harder rock, giving a shelf like appearance, so I cut another piece of foamboard to provide this.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Base20with20capping20layer_zpsizxfgcxm.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Base20with20capping20layer_zpsizxfgcxm.jpg.html)

And another layer of base, again blue foam, this time a 25mm layer.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20base20with20extra20layer_zpsyrfcbqd3.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20base20with20extra20layer_zpsyrfcbqd3.jpg.html)

The towrs will sit on top of this giving roughly this sort of appearance.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte_zpsbqqu5dxq.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte_zpsbqqu5dxq.jpg.html)

I an not sure if I need another layer, but I will experiment this afternoon and see how it looks.  Obviously the layers need a lot of sanding and aligning and a lot of scree, boulders and of course the tops added but I hope you get the idea of what it will look like once it is finished.

I will post some more WIP shots as it takes shape.



Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Malamute on November 04, 2017, 01:07:36 PM
 I like the way you have approached it. Its going to look great ;D

Hav eyou thought about how to do the rock spires/chimneys you see on the sides as in the photo on page two?
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 04, 2017, 01:43:19 PM
I like the way you have approached it. Its going to look great ;D

Hav eyou thought about how to do the rock spires/chimneys you see on the sides as in the photo on page two?

Thanks.  I have an idea abourt the chimneys.  That will appear in the next butte.  I plan to do 4 different ones.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Malamute on November 04, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
Thanks.  I have an idea abourt the chimneys.  That will appear in the next butte.  I plan to do 4 different ones.

Excellent ;D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Mason on November 04, 2017, 02:12:17 PM
Thanks.  I have an idea abourt the chimneys.  That will appear in the next butte.  I plan to do 4 different ones.

Little blue 'Bibbly Bricks'?
 ;D

And don't forget the Coyote cave.
 :D ;)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Yggdrasil on November 04, 2017, 02:27:07 PM
very interesting towers. I'm looking forward to see more WIP pictures.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Arundel on November 04, 2017, 03:28:10 PM
Oh, that's going to be good.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: rumacara on November 04, 2017, 03:28:44 PM
Following with great interest. :)
Go for it Gary.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: NurgleHH on November 05, 2017, 08:06:24 AM
Hi Gary,
Found this and think it is interesting for you:

http://www.terranscapes.com/desert-tables/
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte WIP
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 05, 2017, 09:44:29 PM
Little blue 'Bibbly Bricks'?
 ;D

And don't forget the Coyote cave.
 :D ;)

I'm not mad enough to build them in Bibbly Bricks, but certainly blue foam will feature.

very interesting towers. I'm looking forward to see more WIP pictures.


Oh, that's going to be good.

Following with great interest. :)
Go for it Gary.

Thanks for the encouragement.  I spent the day sanding the base and the towers but no pictures yet.  More to follow later in the week.

Hi Gary,
Found this and think it is interesting for you:

http://www.terranscapes.com/desert-tables/


Thanks for the link Dirk.  It has given me some ideas.

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte Colour Samples
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 19, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
I have been experimenting with a colour scheme for the buttes.  I came up with this as a base on a small off cut of cork:

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/de9e63b0-f3c7-4d8e-898c-4b7b8702d9b9_zps9bhoeuyi.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/de9e63b0-f3c7-4d8e-898c-4b7b8702d9b9_zps9bhoeuyi.jpg.html)

And this as an almost finished paint scheme.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Paint20Sampling202_zps5picvqjy.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Paint20Sampling202_zps5picvqjy.jpg.html)

What do you think?
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte Colour Samples
Post by: rumacara on November 20, 2017, 09:07:37 AM
Looking very good.
The colors are well chosen. :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte Colour Samples
Post by: Malamute on November 20, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
Yep, that works.  ;D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte Colour Samples
Post by: Romark on November 20, 2017, 09:28:06 AM
Looking good :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte Colour Samples
Post by: Mason on November 20, 2017, 09:44:38 AM
It works for me, mate.
 8)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte Colour Samples
Post by: Eric the Shed on November 20, 2017, 10:35:49 AM
Looking great Gary - will this e at Blam next year?

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Butte Colour Samples
Post by: Hu Rhu on November 25, 2017, 09:27:13 AM
Thanks for the feedback.  The colours that came out on the photos are a little darker than in real life but I am very happy with the result. I will post some more WIP photos later this week.

Looking great Gary - will this e at Blam next year?

Possibly.  I have been wanting to get after this project for a while and now that it has got going, I am pretty happy with how it is turning out.  However progress is a little slower than I would have liked but work has been a b....r recently.  I will see how it progresses in the New Year before I commit to a game for BLAM.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Hu Rhu on December 20, 2017, 09:59:51 AM
Ok it has taken a little time but I have finished the first butte, less some vegetation.  Here are some WIP shots. The camera has dulled down the orangey colour a little but you get the idea.

First undercoated. In hindsight black was not a good choice and I shall be going for a more softer undercoat for future builds.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted201_zpshrzbyiee.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted201_zpshrzbyiee.jpg.html)

Next with the first brown coat.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted202_zpsy9prf7do.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted202_zpsy9prf7do.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted203_zpslsmohp4p.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted203_zpslsmohp4p.jpg.html)

As you can see I have mixed a little orange into the colour.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted205_zpshisqpyns.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted205_zpshisqpyns.jpg.html)

Whilst waiting for the next coat I took a shot with a 28mm Redskin to give you an idea of the size.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/b2c46b60-ee2d-4838-84b9-d09dccd6940b_zpsc3i4hghf.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/b2c46b60-ee2d-4838-84b9-d09dccd6940b_zpsc3i4hghf.jpg.html)

Then I added successive coats of orange mixed with yellow to build up the colours and make it softer.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted205_zpswmqjx2hz.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted205_zpswmqjx2hz.jpg.html)

And then finally with a light brushing of sandstone to tone it all down.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted207a_zps7cr74sxq.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted207a_zps7cr74sxq.jpg.html)

And from the other side.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted207_zpstfsh3t9n.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Butte20Painted207_zpstfsh3t9n.jpg.html)

Just need to add a little vegetation around the base and it is good to go. I plan to make another two variations and some slightly smaller rocky outcrops to use as scatter terrain.  I'll post them up in due course but now am turning my attention to painting some more figures.

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Romark on December 20, 2017, 10:04:50 AM
Impressive progress   :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Elk101 on December 20, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
Impressive progress   :)

Yeah, nice butte.

I don't think the black undercoat is particularly bad but perhaps a grey primer undercoat would reduce some of the contrast?
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Dr DeAth on December 20, 2017, 01:58:58 PM
Nice Butte  ;)

Are you going to add any vegetation?
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Mason on December 20, 2017, 04:03:22 PM
Nicely done, mate.
 8) 8)

Buttes really do seem to be the 'in thing' nowadays, dont they?
 :)

My 'go to' undercoat for pretty much everything is a chocolate brown as it much more versatile and you can always add a wash of black if you need really darker recesses.
 ;)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Hu Rhu on December 20, 2017, 09:49:30 PM
I don't think the black undercoat is particularly bad but perhaps a grey primer undercoat would reduce some of the contrast?

My 'go to' undercoat for pretty much everything is a chocolate brown as it much more versatile and you can always add a wash of black if you need really darker recesses.
 ;)

Thanks for the tips.  I am going to try a lighter undercoat, perhaps a darkish brown or even a deep red.  I shall play around with an off cut until I get the shades I need.  Once I have found that I will then be able to do teh rest of the terrain boards.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Malamute on December 23, 2017, 07:56:02 AM


My 'go to' undercoat for pretty much everything is a chocolate brown as it much more versatile and you can always add a wash of black if you need really darker recesses.
 ;)

What he said! lol

Otherwise it looks good so far
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: Dr. The Viking on December 23, 2017, 09:48:19 AM
Nice!

I think the native Americans look fabulous!

And the butte is great too. Doesn't even need to be wider.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - First Butte Finished
Post by: rumacara on December 23, 2017, 11:10:21 AM
Very nice indeed. :-* :-*
Inspiring. ;)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Hu Rhu on December 30, 2017, 09:30:49 AM
Very nice indeed. :-* :-*
Inspiring. ;)

Nice!

I think the native Americans look fabulous!

Thanks fellas. On the subject of Redskins here are the first set to be painted. First up is an Indian Warband of Youngbloods.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Indians201_zpstv3lu2bc.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Indians201_zpstv3lu2bc.jpg.html)

Next is a Troop of Cavalry (actually part of a troop).

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Cavalry201_zpsja57c578.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Cavalry201_zpsja57c578.jpg.html)

If you look closely at the bases you will see the edges are painted different colours. This allows me to differentiate the different troops types for each side.  Red is for Officers, Warchiefs, Indian Fighters and Akacita, Grey for Braves and Troopers and Green for Youngbloods and Greenhorns.

In the background you can see some Teepees I am working on.  More pics to follow.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Mason on December 30, 2017, 09:41:31 AM
Nice work.
 :-*

I like the basing idea, it should work a treat.
 8)

Now, as a chap who has a small tribe of Plains Indians in the Old West bits box, tell us some more about those rather fetching fancy tents.
 :D

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Romark on December 30, 2017, 01:46:56 PM
Nice work on those minis,clever idea on the bases too  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Mason on December 30, 2017, 01:49:18 PM
BTW: What/Who are 'Akacita'...?

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Malamute on December 30, 2017, 02:06:47 PM
Looking good Gary :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: FifteensAway on December 30, 2017, 03:04:53 PM
The akacita, if memory serves, were a intra-tribal society, a sort of 'police' force to keep errant members in line.

So, with all this bark work, is this evidence of why I sometimes hear the English referred to as 'barking mad'?   lol

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: DintheDin on December 30, 2017, 04:01:52 PM
Excellent job so far and nicely painted figures! Keep them coming!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Hu Rhu on December 30, 2017, 04:12:42 PM
Nice work.
 :-*

I like the basing idea, it should work a treat.
 8)

Now, as a chap who has a small tribe of Plains Indians in the Old West bits box, tell us some more about those rather fetching fancy tents.
 :D

The teepees are from Grand Manner.  I have given them an undercoat, a wash and a basecoat but I need to give them a couple of coats of dry brushing to get the best out of them.  More to follow.

Nice work on those minis,clever idea on the bases too  :)

Looking good Gary :)

Thanks. The basing idea came from the fact that most of the figures look the same (albeit different poses and weapons) and I needed a way to differentiate the various categories of troop types that I wanted in the game.  The colours are dull enough not to detract from the basing but obvious enough to be able to sort out which unit is which.

BTW: What/Who are 'Akacita'...?

The akacita, if memory serves, were a intra-tribal society, a sort of 'police' force to keep errant members in line.

So, with all this bark work, is this evidence of why I sometimes hear the English referred to as 'barking mad'?   lol

The Akacita were a sort of warrior lodge usually made up of the best warriors in the clan/tribe/group. They were the most reliable on the battlefield.  A more common (but erroneous) term is Dog Soldiers.

The inter-tribal 'police' were known as 'shirt-wearers' and were often drawn from the Akacita.

More terrain stuff to follow as well as some more miniatures.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Mason on December 30, 2017, 04:32:42 PM
The akacita, if memory serves, were a intra-tribal society, a sort of 'police' force to keep errant members in line.

The Akacita were a sort of warrior lodge usually made up of the best warriors in the clan/tribe/group. They were the most reliable on the battlefield.  A more common (but erroneous) term is Dog Soldiers.

The inter-tribal 'police' were known as 'shirt-wearers' and were often drawn from the Akacita.

Thanks.
I do not recall reading anything about them before, but I could well have done.
I do have a brain like a sieve, so most things fall out at some point.....

The teepees are from Grand Manner.  I have given them an undercoat, a wash and a basecoat but I need to give them a couple of coats of dry brushing to get the best out of them.  More to follow.

Cheers, mate.
Now I am off to look at more things that I really should not be.
 ::)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: Dr DeAth on December 30, 2017, 08:53:53 PM
Some tidy brushwork there Gary, looking very nice.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Cavalry Troop and Redskin Warband
Post by: rumacara on December 31, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
Very good painting. Loving them. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Hu Rhu on January 20, 2018, 04:26:14 PM
Some tidy brushwork there Gary, looking very nice.

Very good painting. Loving them. :-* :-*

Thanks for the comments.  Here are some more figures. The cavalry troop has a Flags of War guidon.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Cavalry202_zpsu1tgaeln.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Cavalry202_zpsu1tgaeln.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Indians202_zpsmwuvvnrw.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Indians202_zpsmwuvvnrw.jpg.html)

And here is some scatter terrain.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Scatter%20Terrain%201_zpsycfquvk7.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Scatter%20Terrain%201_zpsycfquvk7.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Scatter20Terrain202_zpsy0acvjzn.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Scatter20Terrain202_zpsy0acvjzn.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: rumacara on January 20, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
Wow. :-* :-* :-*
Coming up nicelly.
Loving the terrain.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Malamute on January 20, 2018, 06:14:00 PM
Scatter terrain is looking good. :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Mason on January 20, 2018, 10:57:43 PM
Lovely additions, mate.
This project is really coming along very nicely indeed.
 :-* :-*

Scatter terrain is looking good. :)

It certainly is, but that 'hill' behind the figures looks a little basic, to be honest, mate....
 ;D

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Hu Rhu on January 21, 2018, 01:19:58 PM
Wow. :-* :-* :-*
Coming up nicelly.
Loving the terrain.

Scatter terrain is looking good. :)

Lovely additions, mate.
This project is really coming along very nicely indeed.
 :-* :-*

It certainly is, but that 'hill' behind the figures looks a little basic, to be honest, mate....
 ;D



Thanks for the supportive comments.

Paul - That 'hill' is just a desert cloth pressed into service as a backdrop. Terrain boards are next on my agenda.

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Silent Invader on January 21, 2018, 01:24:19 PM
Great progress Gary  8)  :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Romark on January 21, 2018, 02:47:27 PM
Great progress Gary,great scatter terrain  too :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Malamute on January 21, 2018, 05:09:06 PM
Gary, can I be really picky?

A pet peeve of mine is flags and seeing the white paper showing from where it has been stuck together. In this case a quick brush along the edge with red paint will finish it off and make it look even better.

Sorry, it's the pedant in me coming out. ;) lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Hu Rhu on January 21, 2018, 06:38:43 PM
Pick away old chap.  I'm always up for helpful suggestions.  I must admit to not noticing it until you pointed it out and I had a good look.  I will tart it up shortly.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: Mason on January 21, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
I was only kidding about the 'hill', mate.
 ;)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - More Figures and Scatter Terrain
Post by: DintheDin on January 21, 2018, 07:44:49 PM
Excellent scatter terrain! Looking very realistic!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Hu Rhu on January 25, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
The last pieces of terrain before I start the actual boards themselves.  Three indian tepees from Grand Manner.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Tepees201_zpswqe4ueqm.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Tepees201_zpswqe4ueqm.jpg.html)


(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Tepees202_zpsbffgjl9j.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Tepees202_zpsbffgjl9j.jpg.html)

I intend to add some more minor scatter terrain around the village including camp fires, hobbled ponies and some drying buffalo skins, but they will all have to wait.

These give me the objectives to play test the first scenario - Death on the Little Powder River. It is based on the Washita engagement when Custer attacked Black Kettle's band during winter.  Hopefully my scenario will be a little less one sided.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Mason on January 25, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
They look the business.
 8)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Romark on January 25, 2018, 06:32:28 PM
They look good Gary,like them a lot!  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: guitarheroandy on January 25, 2018, 07:38:05 PM

These give me the objectives to play test the first scenario - Death on the Little Powder River. It is based on the Washita engagement when Custer attacked Black Kettle's band during winter.  Hopefully my scenario will be a little less one sided.

Don't forget that, although the initial Washita attack was brutally one-sided, the cavalry rapidly became bogged down during the mopping-up operation, as hundreds of warriors began to arrive from other camps further down the river (that Custer hadn't scouted out properly, surprise, surprise) and that eventually Custer was forced to withdraw (albeit in good order and apparently with band playing!), leaving Major Elliot and 19 troopers behind to be slaughtered by those newly-arriving Indians. Lots of potential for ruining Custer's day in the scenario... :D

It's all looking rather splendid by the way. Keep up the great work.  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Mason on January 25, 2018, 08:12:05 PM
BTW: The new hill looks much better.
 :D ;)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Malamute on January 26, 2018, 08:25:47 AM
Excellent stuff Gary, It's coming together nicely ;D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Dr DeAth on January 26, 2018, 11:31:17 AM
Nice Teepees
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Hu Rhu on January 26, 2018, 02:46:42 PM
Don't forget that, although the initial Washita attack was brutally one-sided, the cavalry rapidly became bogged down during the mopping-up operation, as hundreds of warriors began to arrive from other camps further down the river (that Custer hadn't scouted out properly, surprise, surprise) and that eventually Custer was forced to withdraw (albeit in good order and apparently with band playing!), leaving Major Elliot and 19 troopers behind to be slaughtered by those newly-arriving Indians. Lots of potential for ruining Custer's day in the scenario... :D

It's all looking rather splendid by the way. Keep up the great work.  :)

Thanks very much.  My scenario has exactly that idea.  Initially only a small number of indians are on teh table with teh others arriving after a number of turns or when the cavalry cross the river, whichever is the sooner.  Hopefully by the time the cavalry commander has committed his men to the attack, the indians are on their way to do exactly that - spoil his day.  Points are given for the number of tepees burnt by teh cavalry and the number of indian bands dispersed. The indians score points by preventing the tepees being burnt and for every cavalry unit they force into a 'Last Stand'.

BTW: The new hill looks much better.
 :D ;)

Thanks.  :D More on the way.  8)

Excellent stuff Gary, It's coming together nicely ;D

Nice Teepees

Thanks guys.  Hopefully about Easter I will have the terrain boards finished, the rules polished and the figures all apinted.  Perhaps you would like to come and try a game?

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: Malamute on January 26, 2018, 03:08:15 PM


Thanks guys.  Hopefully about Easter I will have the terrain boards finished, the rules polished and the figures all apinted.  Perhaps you would like to come and try a game?



Would love to count Coup with my fellow braves ;) :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Tepees
Post by: johnl5555 on January 26, 2018, 11:15:35 PM
  This is an AWESOME project!  :D Mine is mostly in 15/18mm. I use 12 man units and the rules Yellow Ribbon.  I have 10 or 12 companies painted. Plus about an equal or slightly larger number of Indians. Need to finish up some dismounted troopers. May try TMWBK too.

The Major Elliot disaster was something Benteen never forgave Custer for happening. Elliot had gone off when told to stay near the camp seeking glory. Indian resistance was building up and Custer decided to withdraw with his men and many captives.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 04, 2018, 04:02:36 PM
  This is an AWESOME project!  :D

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Today I started making the main boards.  They are 25mm extruded foam glued onto a 12mm MDF backing.  I find this combination allows me to add and remove height as well as giving the boards a little heft to stop any chance of warping or movement when they are on the table.

The boards represent a fictious part of the western plains, around the Little Powder River.  You can see the river carved out of the boards. I have allowed a little kink in the river to allow either the river to run across the table but also allow a loop to run from top to bottom in a different configuration.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board203_zpsildttivq.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board203_zpsildttivq.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board201_zpsgfqorfo0.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board201_zpsgfqorfo0.jpg.html)

I am going to add some variation in height to the boards with a few low hills which will give it a little more realism. Then I can apply the major buttes along with scatter terrain and the whole thing should start coming together.

More piccies to follow.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: Elk101 on February 04, 2018, 04:09:42 PM
Off to a great start. Just a thought but what about a shallow area along one the the river straights that ranchers would use for watering cattle? You could even make it into a ford? Totally see if it would impact on gaming though.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: Peter on February 04, 2018, 04:23:54 PM
Nice so far - I´m still following you
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: FifteensAway on February 04, 2018, 04:31:03 PM
A plea for your river: Please to make it green and brown, not blue.  It will look so much more realistic. 

I second maybe having a bit of a low spot along the river - both sides, though - for a crossing point.  Could also be used as place of refuge for a few men if covered with suitable brush (separate terrain pieces).  Such a small bit of terrain was used that way in many actual historical encounters so it would have lots of utility besides being a ford location.  Might also be a place for some poor soldier to either win a Medal of Honor getting water for his wounded comrades - or loose his life.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: Malamute on February 04, 2018, 05:36:55 PM
Excellent stuff Gary ;D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 04, 2018, 05:44:29 PM
Off to a great start. Just a thought but what about a shallow area along one the the river straights that ranchers would use for watering cattle? You could even make it into a ford? Totally see if it would impact on gaming though.

I second maybe having a bit of a low spot along the river - both sides, though - for a crossing point.  Could also be used as place of refuge for a few men if covered with suitable brush (separate terrain pieces).  Such a small bit of terrain was used that way in many actual historical encounters so it would have lots of utility besides being a ford location.  Might also be a place for some poor soldier to either win a Medal of Honor getting water for his wounded comrades - or loose his life.

Thanks to both of you.  I have actually added a crossing point in the river it just hasn't come out so well on the photos, given all that blue.  I might make it a little more prominent.  

I fully expect it to play a major part in the scenarios, either as an area around which the indian village is placed, a crossing point for the wagon train and pony express/stage scenario and yes even a watering hole for the cattle drive.

Nice so far - I´m still following you

Excellent stuff Gary ;D

Thank you.

A plea for your river: Please to make it green and brown, not blue.  It will look so much more realistic.  


I agree about the water colour.  I intend it to be similar to the rivers in either the Searchers, where the indians attack the Texas Rangers, or the one in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon where Lt Coghill makes a stand.  Probably a dirty muddy brown would fit both the idea and the terrain colours I am planning to use.

Oh and another piccie with added hills.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board204_zpsn1nm1cjw.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board204_zpsn1nm1cjw.jpg.html)

More to follow once I get back from my trip next week.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: DintheDin on February 04, 2018, 05:44:41 PM
Judging from the systematical devotion and meticulous work on your previous projects, I deem it will be an extremely interesting thread to follow!
Cheers!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: Dr DeAth on February 04, 2018, 09:56:23 PM
Excellent, this looks like it's going to be a long and interesting thread  :)

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Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 05, 2018, 03:17:26 PM
Judging from the systematical devotion and meticulous work on your previous projects, I deem it will be an extremely interesting thread to follow!
Cheers!

Excellent, this looks like it's going to be a long and interesting thread  :)


Thank you both.  I hope the wait will be worth it in the end.  Nothing more until next weekend (cos I am abroad on work), when the rules get their first major try out and the boards get a good old going over with some rocks and stuff.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards started 04/02
Post by: NickNascati on February 05, 2018, 04:08:00 PM
Great work,  Ford and Wayne are definitely looking down and smiling.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 11, 2018, 02:50:57 PM
Great work,  Ford and Wayne are definitely looking down and smiling.

Thank you.

Having got back late from my week away I have only had time to add a little groundwork to the boards.  This consists of a few rocks in the river bed, some built in rocky slopes and the basic groundwork of the ford.  However I also managed to add the plaster and additional groundwork to the other two Buttes so here is some pictures of the boards and the rough layout that scenario one will be played over.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board206_zps1mptcexh.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board206_zps1mptcexh.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board205_zpsumz6tgdz.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board205_zpsumz6tgdz.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board207_zpsaghb2hxj.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board207_zpsaghb2hxj.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board209_zpsmaowbbv8.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board209_zpsmaowbbv8.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board2010_zpsug8byqmi.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Main20Board2010_zpsug8byqmi.jpg.html)

So now I am waiting for the filler to dry so no more work for the next 48 hrs but I will be adding the remaining gravel and painting during the week so more piccies next weekend.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Malamute on February 11, 2018, 03:01:03 PM
Looks the part Gary. :-*

Very John Ford ;D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Mason on February 11, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
This is all coming together very nicely.
 :)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Clearco on February 12, 2018, 10:26:04 AM
Great! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Vagabond on February 16, 2018, 07:18:01 PM
OK it's next week end, where are they  :D

This is shaping up to be spectacular. :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: OSHIROmodels on February 16, 2018, 07:43:58 PM
Looking good Gary  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Admiral Benbow on February 16, 2018, 09:05:14 PM
Nice setup and terrain modelling! Looking forward to see this coming together ...
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 17, 2018, 03:18:56 PM
Looks the part Gary. :-*

Very John Ford ;D

This is all coming together very nicely.
 :)



Looking good Gary  :)

Nice setup and terrain modelling! Looking forward to see this coming together ...


This is shaping up to be spectacular. :-*

Thank you for the vote of confidence.

OK it's next week end, where are they  :D

Since you asked so nicely  :D :D  Here they are.

Still work in progress but I have given the boards a basecoat of Cinnamon Brown and the a dry brush of Burnt Sienna.  This gives the boards a nice reddish hue similar to the base colours of Monument Valley.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards205_zpskaieg1id.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards205_zpskaieg1id.jpg.html)

Some close ups with a better idea of the base colours.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards202_zpszqjqtx3a.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards202_zpszqjqtx3a.jpg.html)


Then I applied a drybrush of Pure Pumpkin followed by a coat of Squash Blossom (both orange shades from Crafters) which gives it a look like this:

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards207_zpseoe5kzo8.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards207_zpseoe5kzo8.jpg.html)

I am now going to give a couple of final dry brushes with a Bright Yellow and then Sandstone to tone down the yellow a little which will give me the finish I am looking for.

Hope you like it so far.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: rumacara on February 17, 2018, 04:07:37 PM
Very nice. :-* :-*
Are you going to spread some bushes or just as it is?
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Vagabond on February 17, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
It's going to be good :o     Looking forward to seeing it all up together.

I was surprised how much growth - grass, and shrubs there is, in what we/I think of as desert or at least arid country. The other thing was how red the rocks and ground can be. Mind you I'm easily surprised.

You have got what appears to be quite large cat litter for want of a better term scattered across the board. When you place your bluffs, rock structures and wigwams on top of this are you expecting to blend them in and if so how. This was one of the things I have not resolved satisfactorily so I'm hoping you have.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Andym on February 17, 2018, 05:14:23 PM
Great work Gary! That’s going to be a corker! 8)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: DintheDin on February 17, 2018, 05:31:47 PM
The base colours look great! Eagerly waiting for the continuation!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 17, 2018, 06:36:45 PM
Very nice. :-* :-*
Are you going to spread some bushes or just as it is?

Yes there is a lot of additional stuff going on the boards including scrub, sage, cactus (several varieties) and some general tufts.  River also needs painting and adding to.  Just finished the final (hopefully) drybrush but waiting until the morning to confirm it has taken as well as it should have.  More piccies tomorrow.

It's going to be good :o     Looking forward to seeing it all up together.

I was surprised how much growth - grass, and shrubs there is, in what we/I think of as desert or at least arid country. The other thing was how red the rocks and ground can be. Mind you I'm easily surprised.

You have got what appears to be quite large cat litter for want of a better term scattered across the board. When you place your bluffs, rock structures and wigwams on top of this are you expecting to blend them in and if so how. This was one of the things I have not resolved satisfactorily so I'm hoping you have.

The blending in bit is the tricky bit.  I'll let you know once I have fugured it out.

Great work Gary! That’s going to be a corker! 8)

The base colours look great! Eagerly waiting for the continuation!

Thanks chaps.  More to come over the next week or two. 

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Mason on February 17, 2018, 06:56:52 PM
Nice work, Gary.
 :-* :-*

It works really well as I feel pretty damn thirsty after looking at that.
 ;)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Groundwork added 11/02
Post by: Malamute on February 20, 2018, 08:31:23 AM
Liking it more and more, it should look awesome when finished. :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Fianal Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 20, 2018, 10:24:27 PM
Nice work, Gary.
 :-* :-*

It works really well as I feel pretty damn thirsty after looking at that.
 ;)


 :D

Liking it more and more, it should look awesome when finished. :)

Thanks guys.

Here is a piccie of what I hope will be the final drybrush and some of the buttes in place.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards209_zpscyfhphwg.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards209_zpscyfhphwg.jpg.html)

The lighting isn't fantastic but it gives a reasonable impression.  I now have to finish dry brushing the river bed and add some foliage and stuff, which should be completed later in the week.

However the river itself will take a while as I seem to have inadvertently run out of realistic water.

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Fianal Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Malamute on February 20, 2018, 10:35:26 PM
Splendid. ;D

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Fianal Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Andym on February 20, 2018, 11:08:43 PM
I have to agree with my esteemed colleague! :-*

That’s going to be a lot of foliage and stuff to add! :o
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Fianal Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: rumacara on February 20, 2018, 11:56:37 PM
It looks great. :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Fianal Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: FifteensAway on February 21, 2018, 02:42:07 AM
A couple bags of reindeer moss, browns and tans and bleached, and you're good to go on the foliage.  Why, even some greens can be tossed in the mix.  At least until you get more appropriate foliage. 

You know what you don't see much of in Monument Valley?

Give up?

Cacti!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Fianal Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Romark on February 21, 2018, 01:11:44 PM
Impressive stuff Gary :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Fianal Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Remgain on February 21, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
Gary,

Great board! :-*

But please, check the title of this topic. I really dont want to know the meaning of this kind of Drybrush! ! lol lol lol

Marco
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Final Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 21, 2018, 06:34:49 PM
Splendid. ;D


Impressive stuff Gary :)

Thanks chaps.

Gary,

Great board! :-*

But please, check the title of this topic. I really dont want to know the meaning of this kind of Drybrush! ! lol lol lol

Marco

Thanks - Fixed.   ;)

A couple bags of reindeer moss, browns and tans and bleached, and you're good to go on the foliage.  Why, even some greens can be tossed in the mix.  At least until you get more appropriate foliage. 

You know what you don't see much of in Monument Valley?

Give up?

Cacti!

Thanks for the info.  I didn't appreciate that cactus didn't grow in Monument Valley.  ???
However I am not too fussed since I have already re-located the entire Soux nation about 800 miles Southeast.  :D :D

The only historical accuracy that I am aiming for is in the rules.  The rest - figures, boards, foliage etc is for scenic effect.  I am channelling Holywood to its extreme in the same vein as Stanley Kubrick's Vietnam was set in the Isle of Dogs, East London.  Palm tree in a pot anyone?  lol lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Final Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Elk101 on February 22, 2018, 06:08:38 PM
That's taking shape very nicely.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Final Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Dr DeAth on February 23, 2018, 08:38:14 AM
Looking really good there Gary
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Main boards - Final Drybrush complete 20/02
Post by: Dr. Zombie on February 23, 2018, 09:54:53 AM
I have somehow completely missed this thread. Everything is looking aweesome.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 24, 2018, 06:07:29 PM
That's taking shape very nicely.

Looking really good there Gary

I have somehow completely missed this thread. Everything is looking aweesome.

Thanks chaps.  Here is how it is taking shape.  Boards are complete less for the water effects of the river. Still waiting on the arrival of Realistic Water from Woodland Scenics.

However the rules got their first proper tryout today as Jeff 965 and Romark came down from their Welsh Mountains and we played through the first planned scenario - Death on the Little Powder River.

In this scenario the Indian encampment is guarded by a two bands of braves and the Medicine Man who is preparing for the Sun Dance.  The rest of the tribe has gone hunting to prepare for winter.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP2012_zps4vj5xmky.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP2012_zps4vj5xmky.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP2011_zpszklfqzop.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP2011_zpszklfqzop.jpg.html)

The village consists of 3 tepees and 2 pony herds which are the objectives of the cavalry.

They arrive on turn 1 and whilst one troop provide covering fire, the other crosses the river at the ford and attacks the village.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP209_zpsv2ypdvll.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP209_zpsv2ypdvll.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP205_zpsd9oytev0.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP205_zpsd9oytev0.jpg.html)

Quickly driving off the outnumbered Indians, the troop sets about burning the tepees and rounding up the pony herds.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP2010_zpsylwgfig5.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP2010_zpsylwgfig5.jpg.html)

However it is about to get a whole lot more difficult as the hunting parties, alerted to the attack, start arriving back at the village, emerging at different points across the board.  As luck would have it some of the parties arrive right next to one troop which had been detached to provide protection.

Taking up position in some rocks they managed to beat off the combined attacks of three warbands, holding up the Indians until the village had been razed. They then saddled up and humming a jaunty Garryowen made off into the sunset.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP204_zpskkbhl2fy.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP204_zpskkbhl2fy.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP207_zpslbiox3zm.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP207_zpslbiox3zm.jpg.html)

In game 1 the Indians managed to surround the cavalry and almost wipe it out whilst losing only 2 tepees.  However in game 2 (described above) the cavalry managed to drive out the defenders, destroy the village and run off the pony herds, whilst holding off the returning Indians, resulting in a major victory for the White Eyes.

The rules are an adaption of Muskets and Tomahawks with a few added twists and special rules to ensure the flavour of the period is maintained.  Activation is by card which determines which type of force is in play at anyone time.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP201_zpsc2waa49p.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/BATREP201_zpsc2waa49p.jpg.html)

Thanks to Jeff and Keith for their helpful suggestions and comments.  I have a little tweaking of the rules to do and then I will start on the next scenario - The attack on Sudrose Wells.

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: DintheDin on February 24, 2018, 06:13:52 PM
Terrain and figs look great!
I wish you successful testing with the rules! Cheers!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Clearco on February 24, 2018, 06:50:46 PM
Great!!  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: OSHIROmodels on February 24, 2018, 07:00:02 PM
Brill  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Romark on February 24, 2018, 07:37:41 PM
Had a great visit today Gary,thanks for the invite , hospitality and to Jeff for chauffeuring me :)
Board looks terrific,I know there's a few additions to the board you're waiting to add so it'll be the dog's doodah's once completed.The scenario played well and I enjoyed both run throughs even though I lost both of them lol.
Sure to be popular when you roll this out at Blam18  :)
Cheers
Keith
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Jeff965 on February 24, 2018, 09:29:29 PM
Yep, really enjoyed today Gary, thanks for inviting us down it was a blast. Great terrain, great figures and great rules, it's what LAF's all about :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Malamute on February 24, 2018, 10:26:53 PM

Sounds good to me, can't wait to give it a go.   :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: guitarheroandy on February 24, 2018, 10:33:27 PM
Looking very good indeed, especially with the figures on the table. Games sound fun too!!!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Dr DeAth on February 25, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
Looks like it's all come together perfectly
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Sunjester on February 25, 2018, 09:17:28 AM
Fantastic stuff. looking at your game I can almost hear John Ford shouting "Cut!". :D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Captain Blood on February 25, 2018, 06:30:16 PM
Gary, that looks great. Glad you chaps had an enjoyable day’s wargaming  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: NurgleHH on February 25, 2018, 08:50:33 PM
Wow, Gary,great. But it is only 8 month left, time is short. I think you should hurry a bit... ;)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Eric the Shed on February 26, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Looks fantastic - well done Sir
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Vagabond on February 28, 2018, 12:28:10 AM
With the new layout I can only see part of the picture on the tablet, but what I can see looks fabulous. Well done it will be a treat for those attending BLAM.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Vagabond on February 28, 2018, 11:50:36 AM
I've just looked at the pictures on the lap top and they are excellent. I don't suppose you have an overall picture to show the full table, the ones you have put up are all quite tight shots.

The buttes tie in very well with the board, better than I thought they might.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Rules Playthrough
Post by: Hu Rhu on February 28, 2018, 09:26:07 PM
Wow, Gary,great. But it is only 8 month left, time is short. I think you should hurry a bit... ;)

 :D :D  Still have 5 more scenarios with the appropriate figures and terrain to paint, so 8 months is perfect.  lol

I've just looked at the pictures on the lap top and they are excellent. I don't suppose you have an overall picture to show the full table, the ones you have put up are all quite tight shots.

The buttes tie in very well with the board, better than I thought they might.

Thanks for the kind comments about my buttes.  I will try and post a couple of shots of the whole board later in the week.

Sounds good to me, can't wait to give it a go.   :-*

Hope you will enjoy it.

Looks fantastic - well done Sir

Looking very good indeed, especially with the figures on the table. Games sound fun too!!!

Looks like it's all come together perfectly

Fantastic stuff. looking at your game I can almost hear John Ford shouting "Cut!". :D

Gary, that looks great. Glad you chaps had an enjoyable day’s wargaming  :)

Thanks chaps.  I think it is coming together now but still some work on the terrain boards to get it exactly how I want it.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 07, 2018, 06:44:42 PM
I've just looked at the pictures on the lap top and they are excellent. I don't suppose you have an overall picture to show the full table, the ones you have put up are all quite tight shots.

The buttes tie in very well with the board, better than I thought they might.

Here are some shots of the whole board as requested.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards2011_zpsu7ptjp7l.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards2011_zpsu7ptjp7l.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards2010_zpsxp3fw0tc.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Painted20Boards2010_zpsxp3fw0tc.jpg.html)

My next scenario is based on the attack on Sudrose Wells stagecoach station portrayed in the film 'She Wore a Yellow Ribbon'.  Sadly the film does not show the actual cabin, only the stock pens, so I have no real idea of what it looks like.

However I am going to base my Sudrose Wells on the Perry frontier cabin, suitably roughed up to represent the period, as I have a spare one that I painted up for the FIW but no longer use.

Pics of it in its old paint job.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Sudrose20Wells20Cabin201_zpshv0unkx4.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Sudrose20Wells20Cabin201_zpshv0unkx4.jpg.html)


I will be putting it on a base, re-painting it and adding some suitable implements to give it a bit of flavour (wheels and stuff).  The other elements will be a separate stock pen, suitable for the frontier, with some un-saddled horses, a well (because of the name)   ;)  and a classic style stage coach waiting to be harnessed.

What else might I add to give it the right flavour?  ???

Figures will be chosen from the Foundry Old West and Victorian ranges to fit in with the Cavalry and Indians. They will be classed as settlers with older firearms and some suitably awful stats.  Of course they will have the protection of the cabin and no doubt the cavalry will arrive in the nick of time. Or not.   :D

More to follow.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: DintheDin on March 07, 2018, 07:03:35 PM
Well!!! This terrain is E-VO-CA-TI-VE  :-* :-* :-*
And a well chosen scenario theme!
It will be a hit for sure! Cheers!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Bugsda on March 07, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Butteful  :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Tom Reed on March 07, 2018, 07:19:01 PM
As to the stagecoach station, you may want to look at adding some sort of small building with a forge for shoeing horses and making repairs to stagecoaches.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Mason on March 07, 2018, 07:20:39 PM
Looking good so far, sir.
The buttes fit in splendidly, and they do not look too big at all.
 8) 8)

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Malamute on March 07, 2018, 07:32:31 PM
She wore a yellow ribbon is my favourite of the trilogy. I think you will do it justice with this. I guess you’ve got a well or western style water trough covered?
I Think it needs an outbuilding or two. The forge is a good idea too.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Andym on March 07, 2018, 07:59:08 PM
What a cracking board! :o I don’t remember seeing such a good representation of the West before! :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Elk101 on March 07, 2018, 08:51:56 PM
Bloody hell Gary that's excellent. Andy's spot on with his comment, it's a beautifuly realised board.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 07, 2018, 08:55:27 PM
Well!!! This terrain is E-VO-CA-TI-VE  :-* :-* :-*
And a well chosen scenario theme!
It will be a hit for sure! Cheers!

Butteful  :-*

Looking good so far, sir.
The buttes fit in splendidly, and they do not look too big at all.
 8) 8)



Thanks for the kind comments especially about my Buttes.  I'm glad they don't look to big.  ;D

As to the stagecoach station, you may want to look at adding some sort of small building with a forge for shoeing horses and making repairs to stagecoaches.

She wore a yellow ribbon is my favourite of the trilogy. I think you will do it justice with this. I guess you’ve got a well or western style water trough covered?
I Think it needs an outbuilding or two. The forge is a good idea too.

Great idea about the forge and water trough.  I will add them to the list.

What a cracking board! :o I don’t remember seeing such a good representation of the West before! :-*

Bloody hell Gary that's excellent. Andy's spot on with his comment, it's a beautifuly realised board.

Thanks very much.  I hope that it will do it justice.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: rumacara on March 07, 2018, 10:06:14 PM
Lovelly board. :-* :-* :-*

Try this western - Ride Lonesome
It may give you an idea for a trading post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZMxm_bS9P8
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Vagabond on March 07, 2018, 11:36:37 PM
Thanks for posting the overall pictures it all hangs together extremely well.

Look forward to seeing the buildings.
Cheers
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 17, 2018, 05:43:12 PM
The terrain of Sudrose Wells is still very WIP but I will be posting some shots later.  In the meantime I wanted to test out the scenario so I mocked up the stagecoach station and we ran the game.

The game as it looked at the start.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102851_zpsggb1wa0n.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102851_zpsggb1wa0n.jpg.html)

The station employees were holed up in the buildings and had been reinforced by half troop of cavalry who occupied the corral.  The Indian forces emerged from the east and north at dawn -  7 bands of Sioux led by Warchief Two Dogs supported by Medicine Man Crazy Calf.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102843_zpsrnnkgn5k.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102843_zpsrnnkgn5k.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102822_zps3tyjznyb.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102822_zps3tyjznyb.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102827_zpsxzx9ybyk.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_102827_zpsxzx9ybyk.jpg.html)

The redskins swept forward towards the corral,  undaunted by the fire of the troopers who emptied many a saddle but were slowly whittled down by repeated charges by the braves.  A final charge by a band of Youndbloods sealed their fate and the corral had been taken.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_103700_zpsogelo6uw.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_103700_zpsogelo6uw.jpg.html)

However the settlers in the house had held off the other half of the redskins forces and the rest of the cavalry arrived (in the nick of time?). 

C Troop charged the redskins around the corall driving them back, whilst B Troop dismounted and kept at bay the Akacita driving them back across the river.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_110725_zps4zb68uh1.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_110725_zps4zb68uh1.jpg.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_110449_zpsvxcnmj0n.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_110449_zpsvxcnmj0n.jpg.html)

However B Troop had not reckoned on the intervention of Medicine Man Crazy Calf.  On the drawing of the 'Hoka Hey' card he managed to successfully inspire 3 bands on successive turns enabling them to re-enter the fight and destroy most of B Troop leaving a small section in a 'Last Stand' which was overrun by a concerted charge of Braves and Youngbloods. However this had cost them badly with many an empty saddle in their bands.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_110453_zpssgsxkklc.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/IMG_20180317_110453_zpssgsxkklc.jpg.html)


Meanwhile C Troop, supported by the fire from the cabin had seen off the right wing of the redskins and could now mount up and move forward. The remaining redskins who by now had lost many warriors were not strong enough to hold them back and Two Dogs realising that he could not prevail gave the order for the bands to break off the attack.  Sudrose Wells had been saved.

After the game we reviewed the rules and made some minor tweaks to the rules regarding Redskin charges but overall we were happy with the results.  The game re-emphasised the importance of long range fire by the dismounted cavalry, whilst the Indians benefitted from getting into hand to hand contact.  It also emphasised the importance to the Indian player of having his bands in control as they failed to charge home on the cabin once they had cleared the corral of the troopers, which might have won them the game.

Overall another great game, with the advantage switching from side to side as the game played out.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: DintheDin on March 17, 2018, 05:51:43 PM
Nail biting game and a cinematic spectacle!
Really great!!!  :-* Cheers!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Jeff965 on March 17, 2018, 05:55:30 PM
Really impressive table that Gary, I want one :) You may have said so already but what was the painting recipe for that lovely rich colour, it really is the dogs doodahs.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Malamute on March 17, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
Splendid stuff, it looks very cinematic  :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 17, 2018, 06:07:56 PM
Nail biting game and a cinematic spectacle!
Really great!!!  :-* Cheers!

Thank you.

Really impressive table that Gary, I want one :) You may have said so already but what was the painting recipe for that lovely rich colour, it really is the dogs doodahs.

I used craft acryllics throughout - mostly from the Decoart range with a few colours from Graduate acrylics.

The whole board was painted in Burnt Sienna and then given a heavy dry brush of 50:50 mix of Burnt Sienna/Venetian Red followed by a dry brush of Venetian Red to give it a good dark reddish base. 

Thereafter it was series of dry brushes getting lighter as the colours got lighter in this order: Pure Pumpkin, Squash Blossom (both oranges), Goldenrod, Bright Yellow (both yellows) finished off by Tan and finally Sandstone.   Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: OSHIROmodels on March 17, 2018, 06:14:56 PM
Nicely done Gary  8)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: rumacara on March 17, 2018, 07:38:53 PM
Great table and game. :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Jeff965 on March 17, 2018, 09:33:24 PM
Thank you.

I used craft acryllics throughout - mostly from the Decoart range with a few colours from Graduate acrylics.

The whole board was painted in Burnt Sienna and then given a heavy dry brush of 50:50 mix of Burnt Sienna/Venetian Red followed by a dry brush of Venetian Red to give it a good dark reddish base. 

Thereafter it was series of dry brushes getting lighter as the colours got lighter in this order: Pure Pumpkin, Squash Blossom (both oranges), Goldenrod, Bright Yellow (both yellows) finished off by Tan and finally Sandstone.   Hope that helps.


Thanks Gary, much obliged 👍
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Romark on March 17, 2018, 09:42:44 PM
Looks great Gary  :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Mason on March 17, 2018, 11:33:51 PM
That certainly looks the nuts, mate.
Proper eye candy.
 :-* :-*


And also reminds me that I really do need to make up some mounted versions of my own cavalry at some point....
 ::)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Andym on March 18, 2018, 09:11:00 AM
What a great looking table Gary! One of the best I’ve seen in a looong while! :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 18, 2018, 10:25:07 AM
Splendid stuff, it looks very cinematic  :-*

Nicely done Gary  8)

Looks great Gary  :)

That certainly looks the nuts, mate.
Proper eye candy.
 :-* :-*


And also reminds me that I really do need to make up some mounted versions of my own cavalry at some point....
 ::)


What a great looking table Gary! One of the best I’ve seen in a looong while! :-*

Thanks for all the compliments guys.

I am busy with the conversion of the buildings etc for Sudrose Wells proper and will post some pics in due course.   After that I wil be starting on the Wagon Train scenario.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: guitarheroandy on March 19, 2018, 09:15:41 PM
That looks and sounds absolutely great!!! Your rules sound really interesting too. Keep it coming - really looking forward to hearing/seeing what else you come up with.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: FifteensAway on March 20, 2018, 02:47:27 AM
Sudrose Wells, that anywhere near Sudro's Wells?   lol 
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - Sudrose Wells 07/03
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 20, 2018, 03:33:55 PM
Right next door. Tomato v tomatoe  lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Hu Rhu on October 24, 2018, 09:50:36 PM
Over the weekend I got to run the game three times at BLAM.  Here are some shots of the action from the three games.

First up is a shot of the board at the start of the game.  The indians are going about their normal routine aware that their village is about to come under attack.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game2013_zpseaoqbitm.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game2013_zpseaoqbitm.jpg.html)


From the south a troop of US cavalry crosses the Little Powder River and heads towards the village.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/947f7f51-a0dd-46ee-bdca-f6ab15120a01_zpsubkaosib.png) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/947f7f51-a0dd-46ee-bdca-f6ab15120a01_zpsubkaosib.png.html)

Meanwhile another troop form a firing line on the other side of the river to distract the Sioux.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%203_zpsu0hawkn5.jpeg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%203_zpsu0hawkn5.jpeg.html)

The third troop attack the village, driving off the defenders.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%2014_zpsxldpxtgd.jpeg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%2014_zpsxldpxtgd.jpeg.html)

However the White Eyes don't have it all their own way as returning from the hunt, braves under the leadership of War Chief Bright Lance enter the battle in large numbers.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/ef7ad75d-962d-4527-9e57-affe143049d7_zpsdkgb2ox4.png) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/ef7ad75d-962d-4527-9e57-affe143049d7_zpsdkgb2ox4.png.html)

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%204_zpsytqsjkev.jpeg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%204_zpsytqsjkev.jpeg.html)

Crossing the river they hurl themselves at the troopers who desparately try and stem their attack.
However the numbers are too great and slowly but surely the Cavalry are forced into a last stand and overwhelmed.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%205_zpsdbm1wbxb.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game%205_zpsdbm1wbxb.jpg.html)

Meanwhile the thrird troop have successfully attacked the village buring a number of tepees but failed to drive off the pony herds.

(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game2012_zpsvjmlxsyv.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Boots%20and%20Saddles/Game2012_zpsvjmlxsyv.jpg.html)

With the other two troops being destroyed the column withdrew allowing the indians to claim a narrow victory.

The players semed to have a great time and the rules provided enough historical flavour but with the occasional Hollywood moment.  One was when the Greenhorn Lieutenant, having seen most of his troop killed, rode to the aid of his remaining men who were holed up in a desparate Last Stand. He was killed trying to rescue the last trooper in the final action of the game. 

Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Panama on October 24, 2018, 11:46:14 PM
Cracking stuff that table rocks :)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: DintheDin on October 25, 2018, 08:43:35 AM
Must have been an extremely exciting game!
The table is fabulous! Cheers!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: NurgleHH on October 25, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
The game was great fun. Suprising after a normal start with millions of new indians. HuRhu made a great set of rules converting Muskets & tomahawks. The table looks million times better in reality. And all these indians and soldiers! 
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Dr. Zombie on October 25, 2018, 10:41:24 AM
It was a really great game. I enjoyed it.
When you have a game with that many miniatures on the table it always runs the risk of clogging down. But this one didn't it was fastpaced action from start to finish.

Al my indians circkling and attacking the poor cavalry who made a last stand in a rocky outcrop felt very cinematic.

And great job on painting such a huge amount of figures in mounted and dismounted verisons too!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Clearco on October 25, 2018, 11:02:57 AM
It looks failry impressive!!  :o :-* :-*
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: BaronVonJ on October 25, 2018, 03:19:20 PM
We managed to burn a one whole tepee!
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Malamute on October 25, 2018, 03:54:40 PM
We managed to burn a one whole tepee!

It was a large one though ;) :D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Overlord on October 25, 2018, 03:58:51 PM
It was a large one though ;) :D

Was the fire in-tents.... ::)  :D
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Malamute on October 25, 2018, 03:59:26 PM
 lol
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: BaronVonJ on October 25, 2018, 04:17:28 PM
It was worth the hundred men we lost.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Captain Blood on October 25, 2018, 06:47:14 PM
I enjoyed that game. I killed lots of Nick’s cavalrymen, and nobody sneaked up behind and buried an axe in my back...  >:( ;)
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Elk101 on October 25, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
It was a real pleasure to play on this table. The game was nicely paced despite there being a lot of figures on the table. Thoroughly enjoyable, thank you Gary.
Title: Re: Boots and Saddles - BLAM Report
Post by: Galloping Major on December 09, 2018, 06:23:44 PM
Looks great  8)

Still sad about having to miss this year's BLAM  :'(

Cheers,
Lance