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Miniatures Adventure => Old West => Topic started by: Silent Invader on November 14, 2017, 03:04:57 PM
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http://Yep, I know, FfOL is a fun game best played with like-minded friends. :D
However, has anyone put together or otherwise played a solo mechanism?
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Looks like you are definitely going solo on this one as on one has commented lol lol lol
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Looks like you are definitely going solo on this one as on one has commented lol lol lol
Yep. Maybe if I’ve i’d asked for comments on a cowboy zombie mechanism? ;) lol
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Sorry Silent, I meant to respond yesterday and promptly forgot! The truth is I don't have much experience playing the game (invitation for anybody else to chime in!) but I don't think the system will work very well for solo play. The tactical use of your hand of cards is a big part of the game; doing away with it, or just playing the opposition's cards in a competitive way, kind of guts the game, at least in my opinion.
A game with a more traditional card activation system might work better. Loads of good free sets online. There is also Six Gun Sound by Two Hour Wargames - great for solo play, though it has a low figure count. (One of the nice things about FFoL is that it handles large numbers of figures - at least for Old West skirmish - pretty easily. If you like somewhat bigger games, see if you can get your hands on Legends of the Old West. Or again, check out freewargames rules - loads of good sets there.)
Hope this helps! :D
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Thanks Arundel. Interesting insights and thoughts that are much appreciated. :D
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Yep. Maybe if I’ve i’d asked for comments on a cowboy zombie mechanism? ;) lol
lol
Maybe not! lol
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Hi S.I. the same as Arundel if you are looking for solo mechanisms I would suggest you look at six gun sound blaze of glory which is the 2nd or 3rd edition. I believe it is out of print waiting on a new revision but you might be able to pick up something from the net, or ask Ed at 2 hour wargames if he will let you have them.
Depending on what you are looking to do it has rules designed specifically for solo game play, the core rules are similar in all the rule sets and so you could try Chain Reaction a free introductory set to get a feel for the game rules. I would think that they might play in a similar manner to the game you posted set in Vietnam. You react to things that the game system does and it reacts to you.
The main element of the pay for rules are the campaign systems which are very comprehensive and are designed for solo play.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/Post_Apoc_Wargames/topic/4808232/1/#new (http://s1.zetaboards.com/Post_Apoc_Wargames/topic/4808232/1/#new) this is a link to a game posted by Legionaire on this forum it is the 1st instalment of a 6 part campaign and will give you a feel for how the campaign and rules work and a good read as well. I have the other 5 if they interest you.
Sorry I can not help with your original question re FfOL but you could P.M. Jay and ask him.
Cheers
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Thanks V. Much useful advice that I’ll look into.. I have dropped the Baron a message via the Wiley Website. :D
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Sorry for the late reply. I agree with Arundel. "The tactical use of your hand of cards is a big part of the game; doing away with it, or just playing the opposition's cards in a competitive way, kind of guts the game, at least in my opinion. "
Also, the game is really scenario driven (although the classic Deathmatch works great), which doesn't, in my opinion, work great for solo treatment.
-Jaye
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Thanks Jay. :D I really like the card-mechanism so well done on a great set of rules.
I do quite like the idea of an automaton non-player force (did anyone say Westworld?) which wouldn’t necessarily be driven by the card deck.
Thanks everyone for the help.
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(did anyone say Westworld?)
Groan ;) lol
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BaronVonJ has pointed me towards the scenario book with its Weird section (that includes Revenants). 8)
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BaronVonJ has pointed me towards the scenario book with its Weird section (that includes Revenants). 8)
Double groan ;) lol lol lol
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Double groan ;) lol lol lol
Ya moaning tart.
Don't invite him along to play, Steve.
Oh, hold on, you want solo rules rules, dontcha...?
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Ya moaning tart.
Don't invite him along to play, Steve.
Oh, hold on, you want solo rules rules, dontcha...?
;D
In reality, it’s rules for a Non Player Force, so not necessarily solo (yes, I know I said solo in the title but it was shorter) :D
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I think Arundel is right, Steve. When you want to play solo use the games from TwoHourWargames. We tried them with 4 guys and only one had fun. The rest had more fun with pizza and beer. After 0laying it I think American players are very sad, because their companions are one state and 1500 miles away...
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lol
I’m still mulling it all over but I do like the FFOL Weird Rules.
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I would recommend SnS for solo play as it works quite well - but that's another $20-30 investment in a new rules set, and may not scratch the same itch as FFOL. You're also in the UK and shipping physical materials there is tough if you opted for the normal printed stuff.
I'm not sure what other Old West games I've played are really solo-friendly.
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Thanks Elbows. Your advice is appreciated though I’m going to try the FFOL Weird Rules before I buy anymore sets. :)
And I’ve actually painted some minis*:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_19_11_17_2_24_22.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_19_11_17_2_24_04_4.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_19_11_17_2_24_04_3.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_19_11_17_2_24_04_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_19_11_17_2_24_04_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_19_11_17_2_24_04_0.jpeg)
*terrain will be a few special pieces plus my Peninsular War (Iberia) terrain.
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Yeeehaw! Dems right purty! ;D
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Yep, those are superb.
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And he's off!
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That is a cracking start, mate.
A right mean looking bunch.
8) 8)
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Yes, they're lovely! I really admire your use of colour. Keep up the great work, and when you fit in a game let us know how it goes!
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Thanks all :D
I have more cowboys/girls coming - thought I’d also try some by Knuckleduster (the above being mostly Artizan). At some point I guess I ought do the mounted alternates. And thus the project grows.... lol
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Jolly Nice figures
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Love those figures. I think I have most of them but you reminded me that I have had my eye on the Ely Fergus figure for a while.
I was thinking about the solo FoL perspective and I think everyone is right about the difficulties it creates. It's a brilliant group game but it is hard to think how to replicate sensible choices, etc. I think you could do it though if you took a dungeon crawl type approach. If you had the right scenario you could have locations and people trigger responses, perhaps with a Black Ops sentry type mechanism?
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Nice work on those minis(disappointed you haven't used converted plastics though ;) :) only joking,they look great)
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Thanks folks.
The first game will be from the FFOL scenario book, which has a cantina, a privy and a corral at its centre. I’ll change the scenario slightly to use the FFOL weird (revenant) Rules to play the crowd/opposition. Will see how it works out!
Btw, in building the cantina I’m being guided by the Adobe Master otherwise known as fellow-LAFer Malamute. Though I suspect that all who have posted already know this, but anyone contemplating an adobe build really should check out his recent Presido thread here on LAF and the collection of images on his Boothill Miniatures website:
http://boothillminiatures.co.uk (http://boothillminiatures.co.uk)
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=103383.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=103383.0)
Nice work on those minis(disappointed you haven't used converted plastics though ;) :) only joking,they look great)
I did have a go at converting some plastics but the results were way off. Horrific, even. That said, 10 of the 12 above are converted metals (the first metals I’ve worked on in ages, and how I wished they were plastic lol)
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I did have a go at converting some plastics but the results were way off. Horrific, even. That said, 10 of the 12 above are converted metals (the first metals I’ve worked on in ages, and how I wished they were plastic lol)
Can't believe that Steve :)
By the way,will your cantina build have a lift off roof and allow you to be able to move minis around inside ?
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Honestly, they were horrible. lol
The Cantina won’t gave an accessible interior. I’m now basing on 25s (it started with the Peninsular War Project, so I blame Nick) rather than 20s, which to my mind requires a bigger internal footprint whereas I prefer a smaller external footprint on the tabletop. What I might do at some later stage is make a separate internal model for use alongside the main table, not for every building but for the key ones. Maybe. :D
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The Cantina won’t gave an accessible interior. I’m now basing on 25s (it started with the Peninsular War Project, so I blame Nick) rather than 20s, which to my mind requires a bigger internal footprint whereas I prefer a smaller external footprint on the tabletop. What I might do at some later stage is make a separate internal model for use alongside the main table, not for every building but for the key ones. Maybe. :D
Ah I see :) perfectly understandable :)
But I bet you will end up making a separate internal model at some stage,I was fortunate enough to participate in one of Ramirez No Name's Ffol games at this year's Blam (thanks Harvey :)) and came away feeling that being able to move minis in a buildings interior enhanced the gaming experience positively.The rules are good fun and I'm sure you'll enjoy them regardless.And I say this despite my characters in the game at various times being back shot and one of them kicked to death, whilst down , by the gentlemany Captain Blood ! :)
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Haha. It’s via Dr De’ath (from his experience at BLAM) that I found FFOL, so more credit to Ramirez! 8)
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And I say this despite my characters in the game at various times being back shot and one of them kicked to death, whilst down , by the gentlemany Captain Blood ! :)
Yep, that sounds Like a Captain Blood thing to do. He once threw me out of a plane without a parachute ::) lol
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Looking forward to seeing the cantina ;D
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Yep, that sounds Like a Captain Blood thing to do. He once threw me out of a plane without a parachute ::) lol
Weren’t you a lady at the time?
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Weren’t you a lady at the time?
What do you mean 'At the time'...?!?
Mama is a Lady at all times.
;D
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What do you mean 'At the time'...?!?
Mama is a Lady at all times.
;D
but of course. lol
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;) :D
Anyways, have made some more progress with the buildings. The scenario requires 3: a cantina, a corral and a privy.
The cantina is based on the left hand building in the opening shots of A Fistful of Dollars - the front and rear walls have a slope though it’s not obvious in the photo
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_11_17_11_00_56.jpeg)
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That's a great start :-*
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The fence line is very effective, as is the shelter. I could see the shelter working well for market stalls too.
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Ta :D
I imagine the scenario will play out much like in Young Guns, when IIRC Charlie Sheen is nearly caught in the privy. I’d post a clip from YouTube but I can’t find one.
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Nice start! How did you make your oven?
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Nice start! How did you make your oven?
Thanks. The oven is just layers of 5mm foamboard, circles decreasing in size, then shaved into a dome: it’ll be tidied up and smoothed over with filler.
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Excellent, the adobe is coming on a treat. The horno is a great idea and The corral is a triumph too. ;D
Looking forward to seeing it progress. ;D
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Excellent, the adobe is coming on a treat. The horno is a great idea and The corral is a triumph too. ;D
I had to google "horno" but my iPad decided to take me to some different sites first :o ;) lol
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Wow, I would never have guessed the oven was layered foamboard. That is very neat work and provides a very distinctive accent piece. I have done work in layered cork before. I will try that on an oven for my own village. I don't know why I didnt think of it before. Thanks for this!
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Thanks all :)
I can’t claim the horno as a moment of inspiration as it’s actually in the movie :D
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_11_17_11_59_24.jpeg)
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Nice buildings Steve.
I’m sorry I shot and kicked one of your characters to death, Keith, although I think you had just shot my Ol’ Timer a few minutes before lol
I’m not sorry I pushed your character out of that Zeppelin, Nicholas >:D
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I’m sorry I shot and kicked one of your characters to death, Keith, although I think you had just shot my Ol’ Timer a few minutes before lol
I’m not sorry I pushed your character out of that Zeppelin, Nicholas >:D
lol lol
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I’m not sorry I pushed your character out of that Zeppelin, Nicholas >:D
Grrrr.... >:(
I'll get you Blood! YOu will have your comeuppance! ;) lol
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Grrrr.... >:(
I'll get you Blood! YOu will have your comeuppance! ;) lol
Careful with that Blood fella.
He has even been known to run nuns over in his time, the dastardly fiend!
:o :o
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They don’t call ‘im Blood fer nuffink, yer know :D
Anyways, have plastered the cantina, which is applied onto glue. When it’s dry I’ll probably add a bit of Milliput to the horno for a better shape. I’ll also cut away excess plaster then will probably paint with a glue/talc paste that gives the irregular but smooth finish that I like. It looks a bit rubbish at the mo but will start to look better after the next stage.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_21_11_17_10_47_14.jpeg)
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Looks great so far. :)
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You are modest - it's looking great. It will be fun to see the next stage.
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Very kind, thanks :D
It’s been tidied a bit now. I use a soft plaster (rather than a hard filler) as I prefer to carve and scrape the treated foamboard, rather than sanding. So after excess plaster is removed it needs a harder coating, which is a firm mix of Evi-Stik Exterior Wood Glue and Johnson’s Baby Powder that is brushed on.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_22_11_17_2_55_19_0.jpeg)
Still looking pretty rough but it’s starting to come together.
Next step will be to add the hitching rail to front right and sand to the base.
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It's looking even more marvelous! Do you plan to stain the woodwork?
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The woodwork will be painted rather than stained, which is why I don’t tape it off it or worry too much about getting filler or glue over it. :)
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Thats looking rather good Steve ;D
I like it alot. :-*
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Ta. Thinking about it, it could also be a jail or a farmhouse.
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That looks really good Steve - is it too late to make the interior accessible?
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That looks really good Steve - is it too late to make the interior accessible?
lol lol lol
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That looks really good Steve - is it too late to make the interior accessible?
Thanks Mark. It’s never too late, as it can always be rebuilt :D
That said, with 25mm bases it’d be very difficult to create a meaningful interior that wouldn’t look ridiculously cramped. My inclination is therefore to go with a separate model of the interior, to a more generous floor scale (maybe 1” will be modelled as 1.25”?) with a bar/counter etc that can accomdate a realistic number of staff and patrons. The only downside would be the disconnect from having two playing areas. Or I might just end up thinking “sod it” and cut the roof out. lol
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I might just end up thinking “sod it” and cut the roof out. lol
I don't think it needs a detailed interior, but the ability to put figures inside a building is really useful in the Ffol games as it differentiates from those that are on the roof.
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Nice! Is that Rosa's cantina in El Paso? :)
(Yes, I must admit, one of my guilty pleasures is Marty Robbins and his gunfighter ballads.)
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Thanks Plynkes - it’s based on a building from the film sets in Spain but it can be whatever it looks like :D. I’m not sure if I should be embarrassed but I don’t know who Marty Robbins is....
I don't think it needs a detailed interior, but the ability to put figures inside a building is really useful in the Ffol games as it differentiates from those that are on the roof.
Ah-ha. I see where you’re coming from. In that case I suspect I’ll try out playing with a sketch/plan of the interior. Though, I do like making little doll’s houses ;) :)
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And it’s built:
La Mala Cantina
The hangout for undesirables, reproprates and the indisposed
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_22_11_17_8_24_34_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_22_11_17_8_24_33_0.jpeg)
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One more thread to follow. :)
Very well done Steve. :-* :-*
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Your talc and glue mix is bloody effective, that's a nice finish.
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Thanks Rui and Steve.
Because it amused me to do so :D, here’s a photo comparison of the raw plaster and then after scraping and coating:
(The coating is somewhat translucent, which plays havoc with the lighting and focus)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_22_11_17_10_20_50.jpeg)
Hopefully, what can see is that the finished effect is much less textured while having a smoothed but irregular appearance.
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Excellent build,and trademark chicken as well ;) :)
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Haha. Well spotted on the chicken. I do like the Pegasus farm animals.
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Nice end result, mate.
Worth all the extra effort that your patented plaster technique involves.
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The hangout for undesirables, reproprates and the indisposed
Sounds like the Berry in October.....
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Sounds like the Berry in October.....
How rude lol
The glalc finish (glue and talc) really does add to the overall look. I'm very tempted to give it a go.
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How rude lol
The glalc finish (glue and talc) really does add to the overall look. I'm very tempted to give it a go.
How do you apply it, with a brush?
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You’re right Paul. Though I’m surprised you didn’t work out the ‘root’ of the name. ;)
Steve/Nick. Glalc - very good :D. The mix is applied with a brush and is of a consistency that easily spreads but does not run. Too thick and it just grabs the plaster and stops the brush, too thin and it pools. Basically I can touch up by dabbing it onto a vertical surface and it will hold its form while blending into what is already there (and yes that is a contradiction but what can I say, it’s magic ;)).
Edited for nonsense typos
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Thanks for the breakdown Steve.
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The cantina is looking good, the surface finish looks very realistic.
Not too appear too dense but does the talc just act as a thickening agent for the glue to stop it running, or does it provide texture as well?
Cheers
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Thanks.
In answer to your question Vagabond, sort of both. :D
The talc acts as a thickening agent turning the glue into something more akin to a filler. So it stops the glue running but the combination can also fill gaps, while leaving a surface texture that is irregular (by which I mean that a wall does not appear as if finished flat by a master craftsman but instead has shallow dips and rises suggestive of sloppier workmanship, repairs on repairs, and maybe some movement within the wall). The underlying plaster has quite a gritty finish because it is applied by finger, not smoothed on with a trowel; I don’t sand it because I don’t want the wall surface to be level (instead I scrape and carve to tidy it up). The mix in itself doesn’t feel gritty when wet but when it dries it does have something of a texture, partly from some of the grittiness of the underlying plaster showing through but perhaps also from very small globules of accumulated talc. The important thing is that the finished result is much smoother than the raw plaster.
The approach is what I like to do. If anyone else is interested I really would encourage experimentation on a bit of scrap. :)
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And it’s built:
La Mala Cantina
Wouldn't "La Cantina de los Malos" be more accurate?
Great looking model!
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Thank you
Wouldn't "La Cantina de los Malos" be more accurate?
Yes but it’s a sneaky tease of my gaming buddy Malamute. ;)
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Thanks.
In answer to your question Vagabond, sort of both. :D
The talc acts as a thickening agent turning the glue into something more akin to a filler. So it stops the glue running but the combination can also fill gaps, while leaving a surface texture that is irregular (by which I mean that a wall does not appear as if finished flat by a master craftsman but instead has shallow dips and rises suggestive of sloppier workmanship, repairs on repairs, and maybe some movement within the wall). The underlying plaster has quite a gritty finish because it is applied by finger, not smoothed on with a trowel; I don’t sand it because I don’t want the wall surface to be level (instead I scrape and carve to tidy it up). The mix in itself doesn’t feel gritty when wet but when it dries it does have something of a texture, partly from some of the grittiness of the underlying plaster showing through but perhaps also from very small globules of accumulated talc. The important thing is that the finished result is much smoother than the raw plaster.
The approach is what I like to do. If anyone else is interested I really would encourage experimentavtion on a bit of scrap. :)
Thanks for the info, appreciate you taking the time. Recently I saw an old post of Cptn Blood WWll N Africa game using your terrain, must say it's very very good. I especially liked the way the buildings blended with the ground colour.
I have tried to get this puddled look for Adobe/daube using rough watercolour paper but wasn't very happy with the result, this looks better.
You refer to soft plaster rather than hard filler, is this the powder tetrion/polyfiller mixed with water or are you using something else?
Presumably you will post this painted, I would be interested to see how you do it.
Cheers
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Thanks :)
The desert terrain used slightly different techniques/paints but I will post up the painted cantina here. The Okd West terrain will be coloured to match my Peninsular War project as I am flitting between the two.
The soft plaster will need sealing otherwise it will break up with handling. For a more robust hard filler finish, check out the recent Presidio build by Malamute. I prefer the soft plaster as I find it easier to work after it has cured: it’s just a matter of personal choice (or what is to hand ;)). BTW, I apply the plaster by hand onto wet glue, so it won’t detach from the foamboard. This is what I use:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_24_11_17_1_33_13.jpeg)
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Thanks again.
Yes I have seen Monsieur Malamutes builds and have many of the photos saved also for reference. He tends to go for much grander designs than I envision. My town will be more a small collection of hovels there will be no Presido maybe not even a second story building.
More like the clapboard town I posted lower down on this board [url]http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=101266.60/[url] on page 5
Cheers
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I’ve been following your ‘town’ thread: it’s very, very nice (lots and lots of inspiration).
I’m a bit torn about mixing adobe and clapboard buildings for mine. I’d really like to but can’t think of any movie sets that did the same (movies count as research :D).
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I’ve been following your ‘town’ thread: it’s very, very nice (lots and lots of inspiration).
I’m a bit torn about mixing adobe and clapboard buildings for mine. I’d really like to but can’t think of any movie sets that did the same (movies count as research :D).
I can. :D
Rio Bravo, has a clapboard town with an adobe Mexican quarter. (But you wouldnt be familiar with that one, not being a fan of the Duke ;) lol)
When I get around to making some clapboards I will combine the two for Arizona/New Mexico/South Texas. ;D
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I can. :D
Rio Bravo, has a clapboard town with an adobe Mexican quarter. (But you wouldnt be familiar with that one, not being a fan of the Duke ;) lol)
When I get around to making some clapboards I will combine the two for Arizona/New Mexico/South Texas. ;D
I shall fight my John Wayne aversion and check out Rio Bravo :D
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I shall fight my John Wayne aversion and check out Rio Bravo :D
And I will add some adode to my crapboard.
;D
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And I will add some adode to my crapboard.
;D
It’s an infectious disease, isn’t it ;) :D
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It’s an infectious disease, isn’t it ;) :D
That is a bit of a harsh way to describe Mama....but I guess you are right.
;D ;)
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That is a bit of a harsh way to describe Mama....but I guess you are right.
;D ;)
:D
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That is a bit of a harsh way to describe Mama....but I guess you are right.
;D ;)
Fill your hands you Son of a Bitch! ;D
Theres a big Western shoot out coming your way in January... ;)
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Fill your hands you Son of a Bitch! ;D
Theres a big Western shoot out coming your way in January... ;)
He talks tall and walks ... well, it would be rude to say lol
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Fill your hands you Son of a Bitch! ;D
Theres a big Western shoot out coming your way in January... ;)
lol lol lol
Got your attention now, have I, Lofty?
:D
Now, get off your horse and drink your milk!
;D ;D
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I shall fight my John Wayne aversion and check out Rio Bravo :D
Rio Lobo is presently on Amazon Prime and was I believe filmed at the same set. Having just watched it at triple speed, pretty much the whole movie is set in a mixed adobe/clapboard town.
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I didn't know it used the same set, but I do know it has the same plot. :)
Don't worry about not knowing who Marty Robbins is, just a singer of Western ballads from back in the day. Not sure whether it's you who should be embarrassed for not knowing who he was, or me for knowing it, actually.
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Theres a big Western shoot out coming your way in January... ;)
Lucky bastards!
All my stuff is still boxed up from the move but all this talk has got me wanting to get my old west stuff out. I can see a knuckleduster order from Caliver coming. I want to try out the glalc method too.
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Like I said earlier, it’s an infectious disease!
Rio Bravo/Lobo both had scenes shot at the Od Tucson Studios
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tucson_Studios (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tucson_Studios)
There’s a huge gallery of current sets here:
http://oldtucson.com/films-producers-directors/gallery/ (http://oldtucson.com/films-producers-directors/gallery/)
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When I get around to making some clapboards I will combine the two for Arizona/New Mexico/South Texas. ;D
Well, we could test out the 'mixed' look in January by combining San Antonio with Upsheet Creek and seeing what happens....
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I like the ramshackle look of the buildings in the photo link.
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I like the ramshackle look of the buildings in the photo link.
I agree.
Some great inspiration in there.
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Well, we could test out the 'mixed' look in January by combining San Antonio with Upsheet Creek and seeing what happens....
Good idea! :)
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I spent way too many Christmas vacations at Old Tuscon as a kid.
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I spent way too many Christmas vacations at Old Tuscon as a kid.
Well it seems to have led to a great set of rules :D
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Well it seems to have led to a great set of rules :D
lol
Seconded!
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Like I said earlier, it’s an infectious disease!
Rio Bravo/Lobo both had scenes shot at the Od Tucson Studios
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tucson_Studios (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tucson_Studios)
There’s a huge gallery of current sets here:
http://oldtucson.com/films-producers-directors/gallery/ (http://oldtucson.com/films-producers-directors/gallery/)
Great link.
Re mixed adobe and clapboard towns, I read somewhere that Wyatt Earp lived in an Adobe but when he could afford it moved up market to a clapboard house. This could be nonsense though.
From what rebel yell said towns would start as Adobe because that is what was available but once sawn timber was available, either by rail or wagon then the Anglos would use that rather than Adobe.
It seems a bit perverse because I would expect Adobe to be more comfortable to live in than wood in a hot climate, but I may be wrong.
Cheers
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Great points there. Lots of possibilities for different types of builds. 8)
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Great link.
Re mixed adobe and clapboard towns, I read somewhere that Wyatt Earp lived in an Adobe but when he could afford it moved up market to a clapboard house. This could be nonsense though.
From what rebel yell said towns would start as Adobe because that is what was available but once sawn timber was available, either by rail or wagon then the Anglos would use that rather than Adobe.
It seems a bit perverse because I would expect Adobe to be more comfortable to live in than wood in a hot climate, but I may be wrong.
Cheers
Adobe is indeed more comfortable, specially in arid climates; I've read somewhere that the moving from Adobe to wooden houses was more of a cultural thing: only "dirty people" (i.e. Indians and Mexicans) lived in "dirty" (earth-like) houses... God-abiding good folks were supposed to live in wooden-clean homes... ;)
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The observant will have noticed a change in the thread title..... my little settlement now has a name (Silent Butte) and a story (of which more later).
The Gute General Store:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_02_12_17_3_59_09_0.jpeg)
I’ve already made La Mala Cantina
And finally U.G. Lee’s Livery
The Livery will use the corral l made before while I also have a well and a privy.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_02_12_17_3_59_10_1.jpeg)
The competing owners of these 3 enterprises (Herr Gute, Señor Mala, and Mr U.G. Lee) will be what drives the story of Silent Butte, New Mexico.
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Lovely builds, Steve.
Really enjoying following this.
8) 8)
The competing owners of these 3 enterprises (Herr Gute, Señor Mala, and Mr U.G. Lee) will be what drives the story of Silent Butte, New Mexico.
lol lol
Could this be inspired by the West London Triumvirate by any chance....?
;)
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Looking rather spiffy! That's my preferred look for the pitched roofs too, a bit of sandpaper and some batons.
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Thanks chaps :D
I contemplated shingles but tar paper seems so much more ‘immediate’. There’ll also be the a silver mine at Silent Butte and a tent city for the miners.
Could this be inspired by the West London Triumvirate by any chance....?
;)
Well we know who is Bad (Malamute) but which of Captain Blood and Jimbibbly is the inspiration for Good or Ugly?
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Liked the name!
There's a 1658m peak in Nevada called Silent Butte.
37.3735564°N 116.4347764°W
Looking forward to see the town's history! ;)
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That’s interesting to know - and I thought I was making it up! lol. More to follow in due course . ;)
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Very nice store and livery. :-* :-*
Keep it coming Steve. :)
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That’s interesting to know - and I thought I was making it up! lol. More to follow in due course . ;)
You can say that it USED TO BE a town in that place... before the events that will be told in the ARRs that follow... :D
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Nice creations Steve :-*
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Well we know who is Bad (Malamute) but which of Captain Blood and Jimbibbly is the inspiration for Good or Ugly?
Well, as that is not the same 'three' that I had in mind, th eanswer must be 'No'.
;)
Although Mama certainly fits that description.....
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Well, as that is not the same 'three' that I had in mind, th eanswer must be 'No'.
;)
Although Mama certainly fits that description.....
Iiiiiii, Wah, Wah, Wah!
Great stuff Steve, looking forward to seeing them with paint on!
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Great looking buildings.
My wife wishes I had a silent butt :)
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Great looking buildings.
My wife wishes I had a silent butt :)
lol lol lol lol lol
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Nice builds
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Lovely building, plenty of inspiration there Steve :)
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Thanks for all the comments :D
Terrain items are now on the painting table:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_05_12_17_3_00_47_2.jpeg)
They’ll be decorated to match my Peninsular War 2x2 board for which I’ve also completed a clump of trees (I’ll have more trees to add in the New Year).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_05_12_17_3_00_47_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_05_12_17_3_00_47_0.jpeg)
I’ve got more 2x2 tiles to make and the next will probably be the Silent Butte itself, which will be a big build as it will have an playable mine interior.
I’ve accumulated a lot of minis ( ;)), but there’s one more I really want : the single Apache from the DMH desperados gang. If anyone has one to sell or trade I’d be very pleased to hear. Ta. (I will add something in the proper section of the forum)
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Looking good Steve :D
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Looking good Steve :D
It’s all your fault :D
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It’s all your fault :D
I know and I don't feel in the slightest bit guilty. lol lol lol
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Nice work, mate.
:-*
Be careful with that brown paint as you certainly wouldn't want to spill that anywhere!
:o :o
I know and I don't feel in the slightest bit guilty. lol lol lol
I think that I have felt the same in the past but cannot recall exactly when.....
;D
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I'm liking the look of those rocks. Paul's right though, don't be spilling that paint, especially on your trousers.
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I go away for a few days and you produce all this, hells teeth man slow down you are making us all look bad ;)
Very nice builds though, I look forward to seeing them painted as I think you do a good job with adobe.
By the way do you have a doggy poo bag for the lumps your canine friend has left for you? :o :o
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Thanks folks :D
The colour I’m using to base coat groundworks is a 50/50 mix of VGC Earth and VGC Scrufulous Brown. It’s the same colour as was used on the finished clump of trees : lots of drtybrushing to go on top lol
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Have finished the batch of terrain items that will form the basis of Silent Butte.
Firstly, a couple of hillocks with the bottom image showing against an Artizan minis for scale:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_18_57_4.jpeg)
Three more hillocks, making 5 in total:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_18_57_3.jpeg)
The well (made for another project and rebased) and privy:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_18_57_2.jpeg)
The Livery stables, built into an adobe at its rear:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_18_56_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_18_56_0.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_26_55_3.jpeg)
The corral that will sit alongside the barn to complete the Livery:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_32_47_0.jpeg)
The General Store:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_26_55_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_26_55_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_26_55_0.jpeg)
The Cantina:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_32_47_3.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_32_47_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_32_47_1.jpeg)
I shall probably make a graveyard next but will also be painting more minis.
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They are very nice indeed. The rocks are hugely effective.
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Cheers Steve. The hillocks are basically just the usual lump of yoga block, clad with broken up corks, then some plaster on top. They’re actually the 2nd attempt, as the first went wrong. :o :D
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Bloody hell, mate, you aint taking no prisoners, are ya?
:o :o :o
You are steaming through this like a man possessed.
;)
Excellent results as usual.
I particularly like the adobe/wood mash up.
8) 8)
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They look ace. The weather beaten timbers the right colour and the ground textures are excellent. Loving them very much. :-*
I'm suitably inspired to crack on a new batch myself now. The mining town of Slim Buttes will grow next week. ;)
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Nice collection of scenic creativity Steve 8)
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Very nice and this is going to make a great game table!! :-*
Lon
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Many thanks chaps. The buildings were a lot of fun to make and, of course, were influenced by the great efforts of others. Btw, I made the hillocks quite some weeks (months?) ago but only just got round to painting them.
I'm suitably inspired to crack on a new batch myself now. The mining town of Slim Buttes will grow next week. ;)
Now that will be a treat for us all 8)
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Managed to miss this thread completely!
Really enjoyed the development of the buildings and scenery. They all look brilliant and highly playable.
Can't wait for the after action report.
RMZ
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They have all come up very nicely but the Adobe's are extra special in my view, great inspiration.
I like the s**thouse funnily enough I built one yesterday, but it didn't look right some how, having seen yours I realize i need to put a door frame on mine. :?
With your adobe do you cut out the window and door holes and then insert a wood frame before plastering level with the frame? That's what it looks like in the final pictures but I'm not so sure from the wip one.
It would be nice to see a shot of this set up on your table.
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Cracking work there Steve - it all flocked up nicely.
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Thanks chaps. Comments much appreciated. :D
A ‘Set-up’ photo of Silent Butte will follow soon. (I’d prefer a brighter day for the photography). I’ll add the backstory at that time as well. That said, there are a few more bits of detail dressing I’d like to finish first (a few cacti, maybe the cemetery). I’m aiming for a Christmas game.
Regarding the adobe builds, the early stages of construction are much like in Malumute’s Presido thread though I learned the techniques from the work of Jimbibbly (I bought one of his scratchbuilds - an English timber-framed cottage - then took it apart to see how he did it).
NB: most of the following images have already been posted but am repeating them for ease of reference
The basic shell is 5mm foamboard panels with windows etc cut out (though I sometimes change my mind and modify after assembly). The holes are then blanked over on the inside (and these internal blanks support the adobe roof).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_10_12_17_12_02_24_0.jpeg)
Framing is done with wooden ‘firelighting’ splints. They are much thinner, are less regular and have more grain than coffee stirrers and are more robust than balsa, while coming in ‘plank’ widths of about 4-6 mm. I get them from here:
https://www.rapidonline.com/rvfm-wood-splints-pack-of-1000-52-0135 (https://www.rapidonline.com/rvfm-wood-splints-pack-of-1000-52-0135)
The window bars are matchsticks. The lintels are balsa that is fitted thicker than it needs to be then cut back after plastering (when it is toughened with superglue). The ends of the roof joists are a wood that is like balsa but much, much tougher which I split and carve for irregularity.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_10_12_17_12_02_24_1.jpeg)
Rather than filler (which is hard and requires sanding) I render with a softer pre-mixed plaster that is smeared by hand onto a layer of wet glue, which given the softeness helps it stay put. When it has cured I scrape and carve away excess plaster so as not to lose the unevenness in the surface.
The right hand image is after carving/scraping and the brushing on of glalc (as I think Elk101 has named it :)). The glalc can be built up to fill unwanted depressions or create smoother irregularities.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_10_12_17_12_02_24_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_10_12_17_12_02_24_3.jpeg)
The base dressing is just sieved Sharp Sand tossed onto runny superglue.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_10_12_17_12_02_24_4.jpeg)
I don’t have a WIP image of it but the final stage is a bead of Milliput that lifts the base by a couple of mm (so it sits better on the board, which isn’t perfectly flat) and is angled for a ramp, as I prefer an irregular join between terrain piece and tile.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_12_17_9_32_47_2.jpeg)
Hope all that helps. :D
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Cracking work there Steve - it all flocked up nicely.
lol
Thanks Mark
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S.I. thanks a lot, just ordered the spills. :D
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S.I. thanks a lot, just ordered the spills. :D
You’re welcome. Rapid is also a good place to buy foamboard in bulk (they are a schools supplier).
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Quick update. Knocked up the guts of the Cemetery (just sand and Milliput edges to add when the plaster is fully cured)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_11_12_17_7_47_45.jpeg)
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Nice Boot Hill... :-* :-* :-*
Loving this thread (like the others you open). :D
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Thanks Rui :D. The Old West is a lot of fun ;)
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What Rui said. ;D ;D ;D
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Nice cemetery
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Dead good!...... I'll get my coat.
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More good work with that cemetery Steve :)
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Apologies for the late reply but thank you for the comments (hilarious or not ;)).
Haven’t finished the Cemetery as yet as have been distracted by a late addition to the project. Almost entirely attributable to the enthusiastic encouragement of Malamute and Jimbibbly, I’m adding a railroad. 8)
It will be a spur line for bringing in supplies and taking out ore, much like the Virginia & Truckee.
I’m using Hornby HO track widened to 25mm with a 2-6-0 Engine scratch built onto a Hornby 0-6-0 Saddletank chassis/axles that have been split and widened to fit the rails.
I’ve still got much more to do (bell, lantern, boltheads, pipes, etc) as well as tidying up but here’s progress so far (NB: it has been difficult to get pictures where the wide angle lens doesn’t skew the straight lines and overall squareness):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_17_12_17_5_57_58_0.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_17_12_17_5_57_58_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_17_12_17_5_57_58_2.jpeg)
This is from a few days ago and shows the plan I’m working from:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_17_12_17_5_57_58_3.jpeg)
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Bloody brilliant that is :-* >:(
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Brilliant modelling, sir.
Mad (you coulda bought a train!) but brilliant nonetheless.
8) 8)
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Thank you kindly :D
you coulda bought a train!)
Now where’d by the fun in that? :D lol
Seriously though, I’ve yet to pay out any money for this build as everything used so far was already accumulated (eg the Hornby Engine - which had a burnt out motor and was damaged so pretty inexpensive - had been bought years ago for a long abandoned project).
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Loco is really looking the business, especially with the trackwork being widened to 25mm gauge.
One small detail - most US locos didn't have buffers; they usually relied on the central coupler (link and pin as in the pic below or knuckle coupler).
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4681/39113553031_479bfd161d_z_d.jpg)
RMZ
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Railroad!! Woo!
There is such a massive pull in OW gaming to put in a train, I haven't seen many OW sets on LAF without a train. It must be the romance of steam and playing with trains as boys ;)
Cracking work Steve!
Cheers
Matt
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Thanks chaps.
I know what you mean Matt. That and I’ve been binge watching Hell on Wheels! :D
Trouble is, my settlement now needs a platform, a tented telegraph office, a water tower and a log store. And the train needs a tender, a goods wagon, an ore wagon and a maybe a passenger car. Then there’s the track..... :o :D
One small detail - most US locos didn't have buffers; they usually relied on the central coupler (link and pin as in the pic below or knuckle coupler).
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4681/39113553031_479bfd161d_z_d.jpg)
That is really helpful, thank you. Looking again at my library of images I’m not sure how I missed it :o. I wasn’t sure if I’d be using couplers and was leaving that decision until starting the tender but I will now bring that forward. :)
PS: the buffers are gone!
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Now where’d by the fun in that? :D lol
I knew that you would say that.
;)
That and I’ve been binge watching Hell on Wheels! :D
That did for me too.
As well as a certain Constable Bertie who kept nagging about it.....
;)
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:D
I’m a late starter! ;)
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OOh yes, Hell on Wheels is a good watch!! Doubled with a bit of Deadwood should be enough to fill up your OW gaming mojo. 8)
The "frontier" aspect of Hell on Wheels is awesome because of the lack of equipment. There aren't massive stations and towers, just tents, stations composed of simple pallets/duckboards. And trains with only one - two carriages. I like how that keeps the modeling requirements simple.
As well as a certain Constable Bertie who kept nagging about it.....
;)
Oh hush, The Creek needed one >:D
Cheers
Matt
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I think that’s what inspired me from Hell on Wheels: that it was so transient. Much like the early series of Deadwood, when the stores were tented, etc, before the semi-permanence of the clapboard structures started to take over. 8)
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:D
I’m a late starter! ;)
But now you're on board, you're definitely steaming ahead with the project ;)
I'll get my coat.
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That’s the ticket, Mark :D
More progress on the train: I think only the bell, bolt heads, and couplings to do (unless anyone has other suggestions or corrections).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_18_12_17_7_37_16_4.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_18_12_17_7_37_16_3.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_18_12_17_7_37_16_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_18_12_17_7_37_16_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_18_12_17_7_37_16_0.jpeg)
I converted the crew a while ago. They are from Perry Mafeking civilians (and the guy with the shovel is clearing ash, as the train is a log burner). The minis are on double thickness bases to bring them in line with the Artizan.
Cracking on with the tender, which will be two rather than four axles, and a box car hopefully with sliding doors.
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I never cease to be amazed at the scratchbuilding ability of you (and others on here) SI. Bet that train will look great when it's finished! 8)
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Thanks - that’s very nice of you to say :)
Though now I’m into the detailing it seems like every photo I look at causes me to go back and change something. lol
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Loco is looking great; can't wait to see the tender and rolling stock.
RMZ
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More great work Steve :-*
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Thanks chaps. Have ended up adding more detail to the engine. The tender and an 18 Foot Boxcar are almost assembled but I won’t be adding more rolling stock until next year, as I want to paint more minis next and base the track.
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Looking good Steve, the tender will make a big difference visually, to my eye the boiler is a little wide in diameter, but a longish tender will stretch it out into proportion I think. The lumber in the tender will add to the overall aesthetic too 8)
Will you have a bell? You can pick up bags of little bells in the dollar store which you can mount in a styrene housing :D
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It’s a short tender! :D
I’m Bell shopping tomorrow, which will be the first ‘direct spend’ on this project ;)
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Wow. Great engine. :-* :-* :-*
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Thanks Rui. :D
18 foot boxcar and tender have now been worked up plus more detail to the engine. This combination is about 35cm long.
The boxcar and tender are from Hornby low-sided wagons that have been widened and, for the tender shortened.
To do:
Bell
Bolts/Rivets
Couplers
General tidying (GS etc)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_12_17_1_12_08_0.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_12_17_1_12_08_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_12_17_1_12_07_2.jpeg)
For the couplings, I’m going to have a go at making the ‘link and pin’ type. If anyone has done this I’d love to hear. :D
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Mmm, nice train - for Egypt. Engine, fine. Tender, acceptable. Car? Not in the American West! But who cares. Nice modeling. I wonder if Hornby makes anything more US type - need to have four wheel trucks to get there. Of course, I expect to use my very American style Old West trains in places where the trains should look like yours.
Okay, if you count the west as western Pennsylvania around 1830, then maybe it will work. lol
At least you have plans to base your track, hopefully properly elevated and ballasted.
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Mmm, nice train - for Egypt. Engine, fine. Tender, acceptable. Car? Not in the American West! But who cares. Nice modeling. I wonder if Hornby makes anything more US type - need to have four wheel trucks to get there. Of course, I expect to use my very American style Old West trains in places where the trains should look like yours.
Okay, if you count the west as western Pennsylvania around 1830, then maybe it will work. lol
At least you have plans to base your track, hopefully properly elevated and ballasted.
Regarding the boxcar, is it the short length and 4-wheels that you say make it Egypt rather than Old West? I’m certainly no expert and have used the internet (and movies!) for fleeting research but I did read in various places that the Denver & Rio Grande used short 4-wheelers both for flat, sided and box cars. For example:
Boxcars were the category of freight cars the most important in number on the Rio Grande narrow gauge roster, nearly 4,000 boxcars were built for the railroad all together. They were used to transport any kind of cargo, from ore to manufactured goods. The first D&RG boxcars, built in 1871 according to a Billmeyer & Small pattern, were 10 short and light (12ft long and with a capacity of 10 tons) 4-wheel cars, all retired from service before 1883. These cars were considered too light and in 1872 and 1874, 166 new 8-wheel boxcars with a 8-ton capacity were built by the Denver & Rio Grande, still with parts and according to plans from Billmeyer & Small.
http://drgw.free.fr/DRGW/Freight/Caboose/Caboose_en.htm (http://drgw.free.fr/DRGW/Freight/Caboose/Caboose_en.htm)
From the 1879 Car Builders Dictionary (apparently):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_12_17_10_00_26_0.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_12_17_10_00_26_1.jpeg)
Other than the flatbed above (and a reconditioned caboose) I’ve struggled to find period imagery of the 4-wheeled cars but I did find this model:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_20_12_17_10_00_39_2.jpeg)
It’s by Ozark Miniatures who describe it thus:
This intriguing little 14 foot boxcar is another of several 4-wheel, original equipment cars used by the Denver & Rio Grande. Billmeyer & Smalls delivered the pattern car, numbered 1001, as well as parts for nine more cars to the D&RG in 1871. Prototypically, these cars are a perfect accompaniment to the Bachmann 4-4-0, lettered for the D&RG.
http://www.ozarkminiatures.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=24058 (http://www.ozarkminiatures.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=24058)
The reconditioned caboose, which is at the Colorado Railroad Museum, is pictured here:
http://drgw.free.fr/DRGW/Freight/Caboose/CRRM-99-019_en.htm (http://drgw.free.fr/DRGW/Freight/Caboose/CRRM-99-019_en.htm)
As it’s a wargaming project (and minis have those pesky bases) for a better balanced aesthetic I’ve adjusted the sizing a bit and also relocated the opening doors to the centre for easier access (the roof is fixed).
With mini bases in mind, I also widened the track gauge because I think it looks better, though technically it’s no longer representative of 3-ft narrow gauge.
BTW, Silent Butte and it’s nearby silver mine have shifted from New Mexico to the Chiricahua Mountains of Arizona (I found some ‘green’ imagery that matches my terrain) and my railway will be a branch line that collects ore for centralised processing (I believe much like the Virginia & Truckee). It’s not representative of an actual line but more of a mix of possibilities (akin to a Hollywood production).
The track is elevated and ballasted but needs a lot of tidying up, etc (earlier photo):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_17_12_17_5_57_58_1.jpeg)
Many thanks for your input :)
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I aint counting buttons, rivets or anything else for that matter, that choo-choo looks bloody brilliant.*
8) :-* 8)
*Even if is stolen goods from Egypt....only one previous owner. tax in the post etc....
;)
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You crack me up Paul lol
Btw the bit I’m most pleased with is the front truck as the two small wheels not only rotate but the axle will also swing left/right. It’s a big academic though as my 120cm of track doesn’t have any bends.
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Bloody hell! :o Brilliant !
RMZ
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Btw the bit I’m most pleased with is the front truck as the two small wheels not only rotate but the axle will also swing left/right. It’s a big academic though as my 120cm of track doesn’t have any bends.
Smart arse!
;)
If this proves my ignorance with all things 'choo=choo', so be it: What is the actual width between those rails now?
I ask as I have a stack of curved track that you can have if it will be of any use. Toy stuff, but if it is the right size it should fine....right?
??? ???
Only piccie that I could find quickly....
(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/BLAM2015z/c11_zps343804ba.jpg)
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Looks superb, and don't mind FifteensAway - nothing will ever be correct enough for him (and besides you've done it in the wrong scale don't ya know!) lol
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SI, for me it is more the rounded roof than anything else that makes it 'not Western' but your photo shows something very close so go for it. It's only for a game. However, if you plumb for a passenger car, you really should go with a clerestory type roof - which is the same as in the image you posted of a passenger car. Or you can emulate Oscar and Piker, a couple of whimsy cars from model railroading
(https://www.walthers.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/400x130/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/0/9/09320000000037.gif)
"and don't mind FifteensAway - nothing will ever be correct enough for him" Oh, my, do I have a reputation now? ::)
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@ RNN - many thanks :D
@ Mason - many thanks also, especially regarding the track though I have enough at the mo (and I’m not actually planning any bends, just a nice straight line down the table). ;)
@Elbows - am not ‘minded’ as I enjoy the discourse (it’s all learning); I presume the scale reference is to 15mm versus 28mm lol
@15sA - thanks very much for the clarification on the roof line - I was convinced it was curved but looking now I see that it should be straight. Damnation! :o. Fortunately the situation is recoverable as I can easily cut back the roof to make the vee. Much appreciated. 8). And yes the passenger car will be the type you mention, though I might do a combined baggage version. :D
Thanks everyone for the interest.
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WhEEEee-WHEEEEEEeeeeee
Psft-Psft, Psft-Psft, Psft-Psft, choof choof choof choof...
Tick of approval from me steve! The tender looks ace, I really like the water tank part of the tender. 8)
Cheers
Matt
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If you haven't gone too far yet, maybe 'keep' the round roof and build the straight roof. And make them interchangeable - old west and old 'east'. Just a thought.
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... though I might do a combined baggage version. :D
Plenty of options there to build - check out some of the Maine 2 footers for variations. Also Southern Pacific had some interesting combines ... I'll get me "Duster"
RMZ
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https://whiskeyhills.blogspot.com (https://whiskeyhills.blogspot.com)
Edit: tried posting the image to my blog and, hopefully, now you can see the locomotive. It's a pretty thing, that's for sure. Got to see her run this past summer - along with two other steam locomotives.
If this worked, this is a photo of a true "old west" locomotive - something to help with the painting (and maybe the detailing).
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Thanks chaps, lots for me to think about there (though sadly the image doesn’t show) :)
As it happens I’ve replaced the roof, which looks much better. I’ve also added the couplers for which I’ve used the 25mm little wooden pegs that attach Xmas cards to a line (the two halves glued together and a pin dropped in the hole).
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Silent Invader - in case you missed it - I posted a link in my earlier post (two up including yours?) to my blog with a photograph of the locomotive. And a very pretty think it be. Enjoy.
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Silent Invader - in case you missed it - I posted a link in my earlier post (two up including yours?) to my blog with a photograph of the locomotive. And a very pretty think it be. Enjoy.
Thanks (I’d missed the edit). That really is both a lovely and a useful photo and thanks for linking to it. 8)
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Magnificent scratch building! I hope you've found a stable supplier of superglue by now.
It seems that the half of BLAM is into the Old West now - what happenede?! lol
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lol Yep superglue is in plentiful supply! ;)
What happened? I started my Old West project about 3 years ago then it stalled, mostly for want of inspiring rules, which I wanted to be fast and fun. Like you I missed BLAM17 but Romirez No Name was there with his game that used FfOL, which by all accounts was fast and fun. I subsequently got swept up in the excitement of Dr De’ath, Jimbibbly and - that incorrigible master of the Old South West - Malamute. And here we are! :D
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I think I have resolved the issue of the couplers. I don’t actually use the clip as in real life as that would be too fiddly but I put the slot into the coupler for aesthetical reasons. Btw the gap between two cars will accommodate two minis on 25mm dia bases. When uncoupled, the steel pin is held to one side by the silver (not steel) chain and a magnet. The crew are also held in place by magnets (they are based on steel washers).
The boxcar roof is now arched, which looks much better. I added the strakes as they stop minis sliding off. I couldn’t find a bell so ended up making one (so sadly it won’t peel as the train moves).
I also think I’m there with the detailing, though I have sanding and GS tidying to do.
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Stunning work.it really looks the part. :-*
I’m going to look forward to robbing it :D
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That's looking bloody good - I should have got you to build one for me rather than spending out on a Bachmann engine :D
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Stunning work.it really looks the part. :-*
I’m going to look forward to robbing it :D
Thank you Nick. There might be something valuable in the boxcar. Then again it might be in the baggage car that arrives sometime next year ;)
That's looking bloody good - I should have got you to build one for me rather than spending out on a Bachmann engine :D
And thank you Mark :) I’m looking forward to seeing your Bachmann 8)
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Fantastic work, Steve. :-* :-*
Keep it coming.
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That does look bloody good.
8) 8)
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That does look bloody good.
8) 8)
Got to agree with this ..
I like the idea of being able to position minis between the stock.
RMZ
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Great, is it 28mm or should I think of coming next BLAM with my 40mm Cowboys?
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Thanks folks :D
It’s all 28mm Dirk.
I like the idea of being able to position minis between the stock.
I’ll be putting the walkway on the roof of the Combination Car but here’s some pics of the placement between cars (I could have left the bases out of shot but thought leaving them in would be a better demonstration):
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The water tower for the railroad. Simply to give a reason for the train to stop at Silent Butte.
A little bit of GS to add but it’s 99.9% built ready for painting.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_30_12_17_3_43_02_0.jpeg)
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Water tank looking good...so far. But. How does water get into your tank? And how do crews know how much water is left in the tank? At a minimum, should be a pipe (can be inside an enclosed wood square) running up to the tank - can be centered underneath. Might also add a 'measuring stick' to one side of what holds up the water spout. Without either then you need a ladder up to the top of the tank because that will be the only way to check the level - and for the poor soul who has to carry up all those buckets of water to fill the tank. If you don't like that latter idea of filling the tank one bucket at a time you might consider a nearby windmill. In hilly country, the tank might be pressure fed from a source uphill some where.
The movies almost always ignore how water gets into the tank.
Now, for some added charm, perhaps three ladies - or at least their undergarments - draped over the side of the tank! (Petticoat Junction inspired)
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Excellent Steve, it does the job admirably. It says water tower to me and is instantly recognisable as one. :)
Despite what the pedants might say ;)
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Thanks FA, most useful thoughts. :)
I’m afraid I’ve entered the realm of the ‘wargaming compromise’ - a pinch of suspension of disbelief, a smidgen of clutter avoidance, and a tad of scale manipulation. ;) :D
As the water level will never go up or down (it’s glued into position) I’m content to imagine that it will do so, and I’m also content to imagine that the tower will be filled by occasional rains. I did consider a water level and second stage ladder but in the end decided that a gauge would be overly noticeable (in that the water level never changes) and a ladder would just encourage someone to in-game climb it with potentially silly consequences.
Thanks again. :D
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Thanks Nick :D
There’s obviously a bit of Hollywood (or perhaps Iberia ;)) to the whole project. :)
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Great, is it 28mm or should I think of coming next BLAM with my 40mm Cowboys?
Bring yer 40mm cowboys if you want.
Just do NOT think of bringing your chaps!
:o :o
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That's a great build there Steve, with or without a water gauge, and I'd just assumed the pipe that carried the water up to the tank was inside one of the legs :D
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Thanks Doctor. :). I’m torn on adding either a central pipe or a bucket on a rope. TBH I’m not entirely sure how I’d represent a gauge at this scale. ???
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That's a great build there Steve, with or without a water gauge, and I'd just assumed the pipe that carried the water up to the tank was inside one of the legs :D
It is probably a little more advanced than that where it has four separate pipes, one in each leg.
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It is probably a little more advanced than that where it has four separate pipes, one in each leg.
;)
If only lol
Though intriguingly no remarks by anyone on the moving hose? ;)
Anyways, I’ve now added what will be a lead pipe up the centre (I shall explain it - per the suggestion - as being fed from higher ground as I don’t want to clutter the table with a windmill etc). :D Still can’t make my mind up about a gauge .... ???
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If anyone wants to see how a Railroad hobbyist makes a water tower then I highly recommend this article (which, coincidentally includes the water gauge).
https://markpaulson.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/three-o-scale-water-towers/amp/ (https://markpaulson.wordpress.com/2012/05/05/three-o-scale-water-towers/amp/)
It’s a lovely piece of work, with eye-catching detail. Unfortunately (IMO) too much detail for a transportable wargaming piece, that will likely travel many miles and then be played over! For example, I know that the hose should have two weighted chains but I stuck with one to avoid tangling while on the move and (more importantly) players fingers catching them as minis are moved around during play. Likewise I’ve dispensed with the downward chain (to tell the story of a working railroad I’d need the chain but I’m not telling a railroad story, I’m telling a shoot-em-up :D - which I suppose is the Hollywoodisation that separates wargaming from railroading).
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I would not be overly worrying about whether the water tower works 'exactly' as it would in real life, mate.
Mine is very similar in design to your original and has been in use in Upsheet Creek for a good few years now and not one of the miniature inhabitants of the Creek has died of thirst yet, I can assure you.
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Looks great as is Steve :-*
But you're a perfectionist so I guess there'll be some adjustments made in the near future :D
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SI, I'm all in on the "willing suspension of disbelief" or WSOD (wahsod) concept. And, Malamute, 50 years of model railroading - though distinctly NOT a rivet counter - means I notice these things. Pedantic though it may be. ::)
I was going to suggest a simple bit of doweling up the center for the water pipe which it sounds like you've done sort of and the gauge is super simple - a piece of appropriately painted plastic marked with gradations and the 'level' indicator matching to the modeled water level.
Mmm, I wonder if submitted to a lead doctor if the residences of Upsheet Creek would be found to be severely dehydrated? lol
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Mmm, I wonder if submitted to a lead doctor if the residences of Upsheet Creek would be found to be severely dehydrated? lol
They very well may do.
Aint no dead 'uns yet, though....
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Thanks folks :)
But you're a perfectionist so I guess there'll be some adjustments made in the near future :D
lol. Um, hmmm. I added the gauge. (My problem was with a chain to suspend the marker but I twisted some fine wire for a cable which does the job.)
Oh, and then thought processes got the better of me. The settlement has a well because wells look nice and are useful to hide behind in a gunfight. But if the water tower were gravity fed then that’s how the settlement would be supplied (why bother with the effort of drawing from a well when you can go steal water from the railway?). Then I discovered that windmills had a hand pump for when there wasn’t any wind. So I decided on a hand pump at the base of the water tower (the railroad is a spur that is unworthy of investment in a steam pump). Scouting through my box of bits, I assembled a lookey-likey hand pump mostly using rotor linkage parts from an HO Chinook. I’d also read that railways sometimes provided the water to towns (perhaps to discourage water theft from their towers?) so I added a similar hand pump to a trough that I’d already made. I think that’s it done now. o_o
Edit: Mind you there’s still one thing bothering me - the absence of the chain to pull down the spout and open the tap............
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I knew you would ;) :)
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lol
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I knew you would ;) :)
I think we all knew he would.....
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I think we all knew he would.....
;)
:D
NB: For anyone that looked at the 0n30 water tower article (link on previous page), in a later article the author makes another but uses cable rather than chain, as he found that the micro chain broke with use. I think that interesting, as a wargaming model probably takes more abuse than that for a railroad (I actually used a thin silver chain that was undoubtedly over scale but is more robust).
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So I made some changes to the water tower. ;)
The hand pump and riser:
(The pump isn’t a perfect replication and so is more suggestive than factual)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_01_01_18_6_41_52_4.jpeg)
The guide to left (note the marker at the end of the cable is low and so the tank is full) and control chain dangling to right (it has a toggle):
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A view into the tank showing the float that raises/lowers the marker:
(No idea what such a float looks like but this I think tells enough of the story)
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The tender has arrived with spout in closed position:
(Ground levels will be dealt with as part of terrain making)
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The spout pulled down to open position and the tender being filled:
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A little bit of GS tidying to do but that’s about it for the water tower. I’m inclined to make the platform with ramp (in the style of Hell on Wheels) but there won’t be a station proper (Silent Butte ain’t no respectable town ;)). As I’ve got to finish the track tiles (there will be four of 30cm x 15cm) I’m inclined to paint the accumulating terrain at the same time.
Thanks for all the posts :D
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Steve, what are you like? lol
Looks great though. ;D
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Steve, what are you like? lol
lol lol
Did you expect anything else?
;D
It DOES look great, though.
Ya mad fool.
:D
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what are you like? lol
Clearly, a mad fool :D lol
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The additions/improvements look just dandy ! :)
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Clearly, a mad fool :D lol
Yes but an inspired one. :D :D The additions look fantastic.
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Divine foolishness Steve, love those little details :-*
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That does look brilliant. My water tower is a minimalist abstraction conveying the conceptual relationship between the tower and the water. :D
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You’re all too kind :)
The output is a product of the inputs, and while the inputs are various they most definitely include all of the posters to the thread. I am grateful that people take the time to comment on what I do as it forces me to reflect and think, often moreso than I would otherwise do in what is an essentially solitary process. Anyways, the more comments, the more I post. ;) :D
Something else on my table soon to be painted is a wagon and horses. Some will recognise it from nearly 3 years ago when I had my first stab at an Old West project. The old thread is now devoid of images so am just logging it here before painting.
The wagon is converted from a lasered-MDF kit by 4Ground and is matched with converted Perry WotR horses and the converted North Star Africa! driver. The converted elements include the addition of a cover, magnetised fittings for the driver, and the addition of magnetised reins. The wagon can be set up in both hitched and unhitched modes.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_02_01_18_1_14_29_0.jpeg)
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And a wrecked version. Annoyingly I made it so that 20mm dia bases would fit inside for cover but I’ve now switched to 25s. :-[
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The wagon cover is looking very good.
You mentioned previously you had added a pump to your water tough, will you be posting a picture, I would be interested to see how you have done it.
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Vagabond, I think he already posted the pump, at least on the water tank - and, SI, looks good. And you went above and beyond with the level float inside the tank!
Now, on to your track - best I've seen yet since you've added the raised ballast bed. I know its all just for a game, but when track is just laid on the table it looks so silly to me - that track would spread so fast and the rolling stock would hit the dirt, or at least the ties (sleepers). So kudos for doing the track right.
Love the wagon and the options you've included. And horses that look like they can actually pull the wagon instead of ponies about to be horribly abused! lol
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Excellent wagons. I love the magnetised reins. I was considering having the wagon on one base and the horses on another so that when the wagons were circled the two could be separated and the horses not interfere with the game.
I have a few wagons to put together for my Boots and Saddles game and I love the cover you made in greenstuff (?). Had you any plans to make a casting? If you had I would be on for a few.
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The ruined wagon is a wonderful creation Steve :-*
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Thanks folks, comments are always very much appreciated :D
Regarding the water pump with the trough, 15sA is right that it is much like the one under the water tower. However, it is much slimmer/slighter as serves just a trough so I’ll add an image when I get a chance later.
The wagon horses are by Perry: I did contemplate 4 but they’d take up too much table space. ;)
Regarding the wagon covers Gary, I’m sorry to say that I’m not planning any casts as the one wagon is all that is required for the games I envisage. :)
The smashed up wagon was/is intended for ‘chase me’ type games because in the movies the wagon always crashes. :D
Thanks again all :D
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The smashed up wagon was/is intended for ‘chase me’ type games because in the movies the wagon always crashes. :D
Indeed, or its found by the cavalry patrol along with its dead passengers. ;)
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I remember that cracking little beauty.
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Wagons and water tower look brilliant ...
RMZ
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Hahaha Steve, lol You have a profound level of detail and accuracy in your builds, possibly verging on bonkers. You may need a physician, I hear the one up the 'creek' is quite good. ;D
My water tower is a minimalist abstraction conveying the conceptual relationship between the tower and the water.
I follow your school of thought Elk lol
Choo Choo, the train looks superb Steve!
Cheers
Matt
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Thank you chaps. :). Presently working on aligning the railroad tiles with the main tile and building the station platform (in essence, a ramp). The rail was hacked from the Second Boer War board I started about 3 years ago so it’s quite a fiddle to get aligned.
@Matt. Thanks. A lot of the suggestions for detail came from FifteensAway. :D
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Great stuff Steve. ;D
Chooo, chooo! :D
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Looks good, the building bases blend well with the base board. Can't see the pump and water trough though. ;)
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Thanks folks :D
Darn I forgot about the pump. I’ll try and remember to take a photo tomorrow. Sorry ;)
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Yep that ramp platform is perfect mate. 8) very hell on wheels.
We may need to suggest help for FifteensAway too ;) :D
Cheers
Matt
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Looking very good.
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Thanks Matt and Gary.
I’ve yet to add the ramp, which will come off at 90°, but the platform is assembled. It should be big enough to accommodate the as yet unbuilt Combination Car.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_04_01_18_10_43_17_0.jpeg)
For out-of-town games, the platform will be swapped out for an earth bank.
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Man - this project is (like everything else you do) insane. In a good way.
Do you think about other projects when you're immersed in something like this, or are you one project at a time kind of guy?
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Do you think about other projects when you're immersed in something like this, or are you one project at a time kind of guy?
That’s a very good question Karsten.
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So in short: when researching I think widely but when making I focus narrowly.
Posting wips on LAF is actually an extremely useful part of the process for me. When building, it causes me to stop, think, recap, take advice, review, etc. The forced pause of posting encourages me to review the images etc and changes often result, especially when I reflect on the comments of others. That said, sometimes I stop to review and conclude that the project is no longer working for me - so activity comes to an abrupt halt and I veer off to something else (possibly completely different) that was in my mind during a research phase.
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It is interesting to see how we all work in both different and similar ways. The internet allows us to share thought processes more easily and also allows us to adapt how we wargame (here on LAF it's the creative side of the hobby). Over the last ~5 years my painting/terrain making/story telling skills have benefit from conversations on here. Even if it means only lurking at times (reading a thread and not commenting).
Though I know I can be a talkative butterfly like that Mason fellow.
tl; dr - don't stop doing whatever (and however) it is you're doing.
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Though I know I can be a talkative butterfly like that Mason fellow.
Oih!
I resemble that remark.
Dont let me have to warm you.
>:D
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More good progress
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Wonderful progress, mate.
Especially this delightful little scene here:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_04_01_18_6_02_38_0.jpeg)
8) 8)
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Thanks chaps, comments always appreciated ;)
Still very WIP Paul but thank you :
I’ve remembered to photo the water trough with added pump. Just so happens I’ve placed it on the ‘station’ platform that now has its ramp attached.
The platform ramp is removable, being weighted to stay still with a couple of studs connecting to two of the platform posts.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_05_01_18_7_14_56_1.jpeg)
I’m texturing the railroad bases, which have peg holes for telegraph poles. The poles are 10cm apart so say 6m (18ft) at scale. I can’t find any reference to Old West telegraph erecting practises, except for a few images (such as this one from about 1860):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_05_01_18_7_14_56_0.jpeg)
NB: my spur line to a mine is set circa 1880
Looking at this image, I guess the poles are about 16 feet tall and roughly the same length apart. In the far background, the distance between poles is about a wagon length. It’s a drawing, and there’s perspective to consider, but I’ve hypothesised at 18 feet centres and 16 feet tall. At scale, this would be 10cm centres and 8 Cm tall. Any view on whether this might be about right for a late-ish 19thC Old West spur line?
Cheers :)
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Model railway forums? I Google searched "how far apart are telegraph poles old west":
https://www.google.com.au/search?ei=C-dPWqm8K8T28gWMkbXwDw&q=how+far+apart+are+telegraph+poles+old+west&oq=how+far+apart+are+telegraph+poles+old+west&gs_l=psy-ab.3...3229995.3242411.0.3242752.44.34.1.6.6.0.352.3987.0j4j10j3.17.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..20.11.1305...0j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1.0.Bue9MMyZc7s
This article, "Everything you wanted to know about telegraph poles but were afraid to ask", was useless lol:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-telegraph-poles-but-were-afraid-to-ask-1-7866237
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Thanks for your efforts Karsten though unfortunately I don’t think the info is in there. :'( :)
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Well, go with 18 scale feet away from the track, 24' high poles from ground, and 20' spacing between poles - and don't forget to have the poles leaning slightly away from the track. That will be 'right enough'.
Or go here and search in greater depth: https://history.army.mil/html/books/030/30-17-1/CMH_Pub_30-17-1.pdf (https://history.army.mil/html/books/030/30-17-1/CMH_Pub_30-17-1.pdf)
The US military was the real pioneer of most of the west and I'd guess it led the way in telegraphy. Government contracts financed a major part of the early development west of the Mississippi (and probably a lot east of it, too).
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Also from a quick read of those threads, the "standard" changed as the track changed (curved or straight), terrain changed (flat or hilly) and if it was country or city. It's a balance between building something that will last and the time it takes to build it (digging holes is a pain in the arse).
I think 16 feet tall poles looks about right from the in period illustrations, but I would space them further apart - whatever you feel looks right (I doubt there was a set standard between companies and little to no quality control the on the build - the only limiting factor being the amount of building materials that were supplied to the workers).
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The pump on the water tough looks great - too good to be wargames standard, are you sure you're not a railway modelling enthusiast in disguise. ;)
It looks very nice and I'm not going to ask how you did it because it would mean I would have to go back and rebuild my water troughs and I've only recently finished them. :'(
Bye the way what are you going to use for wire between your telegraph poles. ::)
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Thanks folks. :)
I’m going for 12cm poles (22’) at 10cm distance (18’). The poles will only be 4.5cm from the track (8’) due to the width of the board.
@15sA
That US Army Signals study is very interesting. Doesn’t answer the pole question but tons of info about the US spread of civilisation. 8)
@vL
Fortunately (for me) I’m not going to use curves.... too much space required lol
@V
The pump is just a few scrap bits from aircraft models but thank you. :). J doubt that I’ll be adding wire to the poles but will definitely be having ceramic insulators.
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Telegraph poles are added. Transpired that 20cm apart looks better than 10cm. Some of the poles have a bit too much of a lean and I’ll sort that idc.
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The platform and ramp in situ:
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I need to make another 60x60 board for the ‘town’ (it’s not actually a town!) layout, with this being what’s aimed for:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_07_01_18_5_19_39_1.jpeg)
I’ve also got three more small buildings to add, though there’s no rush as the key elements are in place:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_07_01_18_5_19_39_0.jpeg)
A town devoid of houses? As alluded to above, it’s not really a town.
A little bit of background to this collection of buildings in the middle of nowhere:
Arizona, 1880: About as far out of civilisation as it is possible to get.
The settlement of Silent Butte is named for a nearby peak that is now home to a silver mine and its encampment of miners.
The peak so dominates the landscape that the Western Apache had long known the surrounding area as ‘kiiya dáhotʼéhe’ (Land Everywhere). They regard the mine as an unwelcome intrusion.
The Hispanic settlement of ‘Pueblo de la Colina Silenciosa’ (village of the silent hill) had comprised of little more than a cantina that resupplied wagoners taking the trail around the mountain. However, the nearby silver mine and the railroad spur that collects its ore for processing have brought dramatic change: while wagons still pass through on the trail, the settlement is now also a water stop for locomotives and a refreshment and resupply destination for miners.
With change came opportunity and three entrepreneurs now dominate the settlement: the German merchant and storekeeper Herr V. R. Gut, the French hostelier and provider of comforts Madame La Mal, and the British livery stabler and haulier Mister U. G. Lee. These three proprietors are in constant competition for influence and overall control, though they rarely dirty their own hands as various gunslingers, hired hands, bumpkins and wastrels do the enforcing (and dying) for them.
I’d like to make the mine and encampment in due course, and also map the surrounding area.
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Very good Steve. The telegraph poles look excellent. It's really coming together now. ;D
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Very good Steve. The telegraph poles look excellent. It's really coming together now. ;D
I agree with Mama: Looking good!
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Excellent work. I think the leaning poles add a touch of realism to what would other wise be a boringly straight piece of scenery. Looking forward to seeing this coming together.
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There's something to be said about the grave digger's digs being so close to the doctor's place. Not sure what it is, but there's something to be said. ::)
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That the doctor has access to fresh organs to examine to be an even better doctor? ;)
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lol. There is a back story. The doctor and the gravedigger are notionally independent citizens but in reality are in the service of ‘The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, the three proprietors vying for control of the town (the German merchant and storekeeper Herr V. R. Gut, the French hostelier and provider of comforts Madame La Mal, and the British livery stabler and haulier Mister U. G. Lee).
The map as it currently stands (obviously I’ll add the extra structures as they are built; I’m also inclined to make 2 60x60 tiles with the traffic routes devoid of grass, simply because it’d look better):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/30/2031_09_01_18_11_29_37.jpeg)
The scale is a little off, which suits to serve to confound anyone who relies on it as a playing guide. ;)
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As I crack on with painting my thoughts turn to what to make not next (that’ll be the Doctor’s shack, telegraph hut and gravedigger’s tent) but what to make after that. :)
A laundry seems like a useful addition, which had me pondering a gang of Chinese minis.
I’m quite particular about my mini choices, wanting consistency between the various models. My Old West collection is almost entirely Knuckleduster and Artizan, so the minis need to stylistically & proportionally match those ranges.
I have the three ‘Artizan-like’ Chinese Railroad Labourers from Dracula’s America in mind (I’ll remove the tools):
http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=11548 (http://www.northstarfigures.com/prod.php?prod=11548)
Any suggestions for three more minis, preferably matching Knuckleduster and ideally with pistols and swords?
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These might do the trick:
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Tong-Gang-5_p_790.html
Plus this, of course:
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Chinese-Laundry-3_p_288.html
Both size up nicely w Artizan.
Plus the excellent old Obelisk Tong:
http://www.empressminiatures.com/userimages/procart58.htm
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Brigade games do a pack of Chinese river pirates in their gangs of New York range. Designed by MikebOwen, so Artizan size and style.
And I believe DeadbMans Hand has a set of Tong figures. coming out.
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North Star have the new Tong pack at 10% off at the moment. There are figures in there that I don't think you'll necessarily want but there are some nice looking ones, particularly the bottom three (shown unpainted).
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Thanks very much chaps. Lots of useful info that I will enjoy looking into :D
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Hey SI,
send me a PM and I'll send you this fellas from the Fistful of Lead Kickstarter:
-J
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Oooh thanks J. He’s very nice and I will do so. :D
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The train is completed (apart from crew, Combination Car and low-sided wagon!).
Various other items (including track) are also finished but are in the throes of flocking, which I’ll try and add tomorrow.
2-6-O Steam Engine:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_25_12_4.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_25_12_3.jpeg)
Short tender:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_25_12_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_25_12_1.jpeg)
Short freight wagon:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_25_12_0.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_24_30_4.jpeg)
The train (so far):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_24_30_3.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_24_30_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_24_29_1.jpeg)
And for info, the start and finish:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_2_24_29_0.jpeg)
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Superb!! :-*
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Thats a superb piece of scratch building. ;D ;D ;D
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Terrific scratch built model Steve, topped off with a great paint job too :)
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Thanks chaps.
For completeness, I also added some signage to the two buildings that were without it:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_25_01_18_5_30_11.jpeg)
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More goodness, I like the
Cantina Taberna very much ;) lol
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More goodness, I like the Cantina Taberna very much ;) lol
:D. You’re funny lol
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Cracking job on that train, sir.
:-* :-*
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Fantastic modelling work Steve. :)
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Cracking job on that train, sir.
:-* :-*
Got to agree, there.
And the building are great, too.
RMZ
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ThAnks very much folks. It was a lot of fun to make :)
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Chung Wang in the mail and headed your way.
-J
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Thanks J, looking forward to it. :)
Big update as loads of stuff completed.
Herr V. R. Gut, Madame La Mal and Mr U. G. Lee:
(a Perry plastic and two Knuckleduster, all converted; I think I’ll redo Gut’s eyes idc)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_34_33_2.jpeg)
Four specialists:
(Knuckleduster, Artizan conversion, Wargames Illustrated, WG Project Z conversion)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_34_33_1.jpeg)
1.2m of railroad on 30x15 tiles and showing the telegraph poles at 20cm spacing (clearly, I have more 60x60 tiles to make,)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_34_33_0.jpeg)
Close up of the track:
(I copied the partially covered sleepers from a Black Hills railroad; the Hornby OO track is split and widened to 25mm so using coverage avoided recreating the centre of every sleeper)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_33_33_4.jpeg)
Train on the track with an Artizan mini for scale:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_33_33_3.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_33_33_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_33_33_1.jpeg)
Elements for a campsite on the edge of town:
(Standard Renedra tents though I closed off the open flaps)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_33_33_0.jpeg)
The railroad’s water tower:
(The lead hose rises and falls)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_31_39_4.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_31_39_3.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_31_39_2.jpeg)
The cemetery:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_31_39_1.jpeg)
The train with the station platform in place:
(The train has actually moved from the position in the images above; a section of groundwork lifts out to take the platform)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_31_39_0.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_30_46_4.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_30_46_3.jpeg)
A selection of layout shots:
(I need to make the town tiles, which will not have the expanse of grass)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_30_46_2.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_30_46_1.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_30_46_0.jpeg)
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Fantastic! That water tower especially is a work of art.
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Amazing Work Steve in such a short period of time. :)
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Thanks chaps - much appreciated. :)
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A fine collection taking shape there Steve.
Nappies are so last year, eh? ;) lol
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(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031_26_01_18_5_30_46_1.jpeg)
I can hear the gunshots and smell the gun smoke!
Can't believe you've done so much already.
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This is coming in leaps and bounds. Fantastic. :-* :-* :-*
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Love the pistoleria (?) in the red dress, cool figure, excellent painting. Anxious to see more.
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Thanks chaps :)
Next up in the painting queue are some scatter items and the train crew, then the Apache.
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Love the pistoleria (?) in the red dress, cool figure, excellent painting. Anxious to see more.
One of my favourites. She’s Kansas City Sal, a bystander by Knuckleduster though I removed her right hand and replaced it with one with a pistol from a Perry plastic. My interpretation is influenced by Eva from Hell on Wheels.
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I'm sure she'll do us folks here in Kansas City proud.
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Nice work. Everything's starting to come together.
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Thanks chaps. It is a most rewarding project. :)
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I'm following the progress of your project with great interest! Cheers!
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Wow. Great setting. :-* :-*
Silent Butte is great.
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Splendid thread all round Steve :)
cheers
James
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BRILLIANT!!!!! :-* :-* :-* :-*
That looks amazing Steve, wonderful texture, details and modularity.
Cheers
Matt
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Thanks all.
Just making something for another project then it’ll be back to the brushes for some more minis. :D
I don’t think I’ll be able to make the extra boards I need until the end of the month but we shall see.
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Just making something for another project
What might that be ;D
cheers
James
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Lovely thread Steve, lots of inspiration as always :)
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Cheers chaps (somewhat belated : sorry :))
I’ve got the next batch of minis together for painting, which will take me up to 30 completed.
(The phone lens seems to have made the far right mini all skewed)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/31/2031-220218223049.jpeg)
A = Artizan
K = Knuckleduster
P = Perry
Top Row:
A, K, K, K, K
Bottom Row:
K, K, P, K, A, K
The noticeably smaller Perry is from their Mafeking range though I’ve swapped out the rifle for a Henry carbine and changed the hat. I also shaved off the tache as he’ll be a boy.
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Knuckleduster really makes a lot of other lines look old and goofy by comparison! :D Can't wait to see you finish them up.
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I really like that Perry conversion 8)
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@ Elbows
Knuckleduster certainly do. Knuckledustet and Artisan are most definitely my ‘go to’ ranges for Old West (and some of their minis are also feeding into Gothic Horror). :)
@ Oshiro
The Perry conversion is already named. He’s ‘The Boy’ Jim. ;) :)
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Can't be me then ;D
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Nope :D
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You have one of my favorite KD figures there, "Kitty" (the female on the bottom firing the pistol.) What you can't see very well from the picture is how she's flinching away from the shot. Such character in that figure!
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She’s very good :D Lovely posing. Hopefully she’ll be painted by next week.
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It took a bit longer than expected as I got distracted by Gothic Horror and Sicily 1943 ;) :D
Some scatter terrain that’ll also be used for Nappys and Sicily (bits from Boothill, Oshiro, Renedra, miniMojo, Pegasus; the telegraph cable drums are from the Airfix 1/72 outpost) :
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181422-32221450.jpeg)
Some unbased scatter that can also be used for Nappys, Sicily and Gothic Horror:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181422-322201950.jpeg)
Cacti!
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181422-322192064.jpeg)
Smashed up wagon, the cover is an addition - smashing it up was fun:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181629.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181009-32218687.jpeg)
And before it crashed ..... again, the cover is an addition:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181009-322161194.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181009-32215951.jpeg)
The foot alternate to the driver:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418181009-322141918.jpeg)
The driver is magnetised, as are the horses:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418180652-32212209.jpeg)
The train crew - fireman and engineer converted from Perry Mafeking militia:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418180652-32211231.jpeg)
They are magnetised to stay inside the train when it moves:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418180652-322101893.jpeg)
My first mounted alternate (about another 50 to go); a modest conversion of the Artizan pony express rider:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418180652-32209458.jpeg)
Shootists (Artizan, Knuckleduster, Artizan):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418180300-322051850.jpeg)
Shootists (KD, KD, Perry Mafeking converted, KD):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418180223.jpeg)
Shootists (all KD):
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/32/2031-030418180159.jpeg)
Next part of the project will either by another 10 or so minis or some more buildings.... I’ve yet to decide. :).
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Excellent spread 8)
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That’s a lot :o :-*
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Awesome stuff ;D
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Lovely additions! :-*
Cheers!
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Thanks chaps.
Comments much appreciated :)
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Bloody hell, that's an impressive bit of work. Great job on the wagons.
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More nice work on those Steve,my favourites are the various scatter terrain pieces and the broken wagon :)
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Nice additions to the collection Steve, especially the train driver and fireman.
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OOOH nice scatter and detritus Steve! 8) 8) 8)
You are productive.
Cheers
Matt
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SI, you trouble maker, there you go again making me feel guilty about inadequate progress on my own Old West stuff. And no doubt, next to your stuff, my stuff will have their own feelings of inadequacy - miniature wise that is.
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Great selection of scatter and miniatures; the wagon looks really good with the cover.
The railroad engineers bring the loco to life, too.
RMZ
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Thanks all. Have to say, Old West is a lot of fun to build. Thanks for all the advice and encouragement. :D
For anyone interested in such things, I’ve now made the FFOL cards (during which I discovered how much stray static grass had momentarily settled on the minis in the photos above :o - a bit of photo editing was required to remove it :'():
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You do know you only need six figures don't you?
;)
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You do know you only need six figures don't you?
;)
:D
There’s a reason why they’re numbered ‘001’ onwards ....... they will go into three figures ;)
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You do know you only need six figures don't you?
;)
lol
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lol
Shush!
I’m ‘World Building’ :D
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You do know you only need six figures don't you?
;)
The number of cards looked spot on, to me ...
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/789/39448637040_f40c46bbd2_z_d.jpg)
;)
RMZ
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lol
That’s the ticket!! 8)
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Excellent progress, some beautiful figures and terrain on display, I particularly like the waggons, they are just so good.
I thought you had halted progress as I'd not seen anything moving for a while and then all of a sudden boom you explode with all this good stuff, :o :o
I'd half expected you would have sold it all by now. :D
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Phenomenal stuff...
just cant understand why you don't repurpose the Afghanistan boards for Arizona/ New Mexico
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Excellent progress, some beautiful figures and terrain on display, I particularly like the waggons, they are just so good.
I thought you had halted progress as I'd not seen anything moving for a while and then all of a sudden boom you explode with all this good stuff, :o :o
I'd half expected you would have sold it all by now. :D
Very funny lol
This one’s a keeper ;)
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Phenomenal stuff...
just cant understand why you don't repurpose the Afghanistan boards for Arizona/ New Mexico
Cheers Giles :D
If they don’t sell I might do but I’d prefer to start again as I’m using a slightly different system.
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Played a small game of FFOL yesterday on 60 x 60 board - an uncomplicated 6 a side shootout.
Me versus my 7 year old nephew. I simplified the rules a bit, taking out Pinning (it just became No Effect on the Wounds Table) and limiting wounds to two. The changes balanced out as it didn’t become an absolute bloodbath, though I did lose massively, mostly because my nephew had all rifles while I only had pistols. He did get the expected enjoyment of picking me off. 😁
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/33/2031-290518124307-334671296.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/33/2031-290518124308-33470744.jpeg)
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Great looking setup, is that the new mat's first outing?
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Great looking setup, is that the new mat's first outing?
This was a thick plywood tile: Seven-year-old-boy-proof. :D
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This was a thick plywood tile: Seven-year-old-boy-proof. :D
Probably a good plan :D
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Lovely set up and glad to see it’s getting use already :)
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The changes balanced out as it didn’t become an absolute bloodbath, though I did lose massively, mostly because my nephew had all rifles while I only had pistols. He did get the expected enjoyment of picking me off. 😁
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/33/2031-290518124307-334671296.jpeg)
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/33/2031-290518124308-33470744.jpeg)
If I'm up agin a scurvy bunch of rifle armed baddies in FofL. I close to point blank range as soon as possible... then you get the bloodbath!!!
:-*
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lol
But I felt obliged to give my 7 year old challenger a chance!
lol
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Seven year olds that don't win tend to be very unhappy campers. Best to let them win to maintain peace in the household. Somewhere around 14 or 15 you can get your revenge - rarely sooner than that. Good job.
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Looking good - we quite enjoy playing on 2' x 2' boards; it does mean that you get straight into the action.
RMZ
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Seven year olds that don't win tend to be very unhappy campers. Best to let them win to maintain peace in the household. Somewhere around 14 or 15 you can get your revenge - rarely sooner than that. Good job.
Sadly this never worked with my lad, he was a bad winner, never mind a bad loser. In his early teens we christened him...
Major Tantrum!
:o
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Great thread!
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Threadsurrection warning!
Curious what's been up with Silent Butte the last year and a half?
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Nothing much I’m afraid. Other projects have taken priority. If I don’t get back into the groove with Old West I’m contemplating selling it to focus on other stuff. But thanks for asking ! :)